Official back & Front thread

[Adi]

Cool........just another one of those "crazy coincidences"   :icon_e_wink:

Another nice connection to Front from MJ's Facebook entry, connecting the past to the "momment" of "now."  :woohoo2:



Quote of the day: "I'm a person of the present, and I have to ask, 'How are things going now? What's happening now? What's going to happen in the future that could affect what has happened in the past?’” - From Michael Jackson’s Moonwalk

Ok, pinky toe then but live! not like the hand which was shopped from another pic.

lol......I presume you know exactly which picture it was shopped from ? Can you post it?

[CC]

This whole journey has made me look into all the 'God stuff'. It forced me to dig into a subject I wouldn't ever have laid eyes on if it weren't for Michael. I believe in God now because I believed (and still believe) in Michael. I found out that believing in God even made more sense than believing that Michael was still alive. There is more proof that God exists than that Michael is alive. The whole EOW thing is nothing to be afraid of, quite the contrary. It means an end to sufferings, an end to pain, an end to dispair. It's a beautiful promise fulfilled and that is why so many Christians can't wait for it to happen. Katherine brought it up too on Piers Morgan; it's the wicked that will be destroyed. For those who don't want to believe in God anyway, I am sure there is no problem because they already believe that death is eternal.

I don't like religion. I decided to believe in God without having a defined religion, I will get my own truth out of the great big book. I have studied though with Jehova's Witnesses and I like how they study so hard to find the truth. I believe they are close to the truth because of that. No offence, but most Catholics I know don't even read the Bible and just do what their church tells them to do. But I believe even the JW's and other similar religions err on certain subjects. They must be, because they don't agree with each other on every subject and you can't all be right. So I choose to be an independant believer. It made me look at the world through different glasses and it gives me hope. Hope that one day we will indeed have a better world. Hope that God will do what He promised.

I do think there are certain things in the Bible that can be interpretated in different ways, and I believe that every faithful Christian/God fearing person will be granted this better world. I also agree that you should seek God within yourself, that true love can only come from within. But I also believe that there are also parts in the Bible that should be taken just one way and those are the parts that prepare the people for the great tribulation, which IMO will be one big mindfuck from Satan. I believe he will do ANYTHING to make people loose faith in God and continue their wicked ways. He's collecting souls. He wants to show God that he was right, that no one can live up to God's laws and that he was kicked out of heaven unfairly.

Anyway, I am drifting off. I just wanted to say that there is nothing wrong with believing in a physical God. What is the worst that could happen if you were wrong in the end? That you die and never wake up again? Well in that case it wouldn't bother you either, and that's already what you believe. (I am not addressing people in particular, just generally)

If you don't believe in God, believe in Michael. I think that's the best advise Front could give. You can bring the horse to the water but you can't make it drink. I believed in Michael and I got thirsty. I'm glad I drank.

great post Souza! like always... i feel the same about God and now i´m "closest" to him. I believe in Michael 100% i hope i´m right... :abouttime:

[paula-c]

@ Paula, are you of the thought that we come from Adan´s rib?

I believe in God, ..nor do I think that I am a descendant of a monkey, … ..why the mono could not evolve? :over-react-smiley: :icon_lol:

[~Souza~]

@ Paula, are you of the thought that we come from Adan´s rib?

I believe in God, ..nor do I think that I am a descendant of a monkey, … ..why the mono could not evolve? :over-react-smiley: :icon_lol:

If we evolved from a monkey, who thought it was better to get rid of the tail? That thing would have been handy! I saw a program on discovery last week and when I saw that I couldn't believe I ever believed that crap. The theory is that the fish got little legs and grew lungs. First of all: why?? Second of all, that first fish that tried to get out of the water, must have died. Why would the next even try? Or did they suddenly grew legss for no reason at all and one day one fish thought 'Let's see what I can do with these things'. Really, if you think about it, the whole theory of evolution makes no sense at all. The earth might be old, maybe even those billions of years they say, but read the first verse of the Bible and tell me where it says that the earth isn't old? Genesis 1:1 says that God created the earth in the beginning. That can mean that the earth has been here forever. God made the evening and the day on day one, but for all we know from Genesis 1:1-2, the 'earth without void' could have been there long before that. I think God just decided one day to use it.

[paula-c]

@ Paula, are you of the thought that we come from Adan´s rib?

I believe in God, ..nor do I think that I am a descendant of a monkey, … ..why the mono could not evolve? :over-react-smiley: :icon_lol:

If we evolved from a monkey, who thought it was better to get rid of the tail? That thing would have been handy! I saw a program on discovery last week and when I saw that I couldn't believe I ever believed that crap. The theory is that the fish got little legs and grew lungs. First of all: why?? Second of all, that first fish that tried to get out of the water, must have died. Why would the next even try? Or did they suddenly grew legss for no reason at all and one day one fish thought 'Let's see what I can do with these things'. Really, if you think about it, the whole theory of evolution makes no sense at all. The earth might be old, maybe even those billions of years they say, but read the first verse of the Bible and tell me where it says that the earth isn't old? Genesis 1:1 says that God created the earth in the beginning. That can mean that the earth has been here forever. God made the evening and the day on day one, but for all we know from Genesis 1:1-2, the 'earth without void' could have been there long before that. I think God just decided one day to use it.

And I would like to add before go to sleep, because the ribs are beginning to hurt again






Isaac Newton (1642-1727)In optics, mechanics and mathematics, Newton was a figure of unquestionable genius and innovation. In all his science (including Chemistry) the saw mathematics and numbers as central. What is less known is that he was fervently religious and saw the numbers so involved in God's plan for the story from the Bible. He made a considerable work on biblical Numerology, and although aspects of their beliefs were not Orthodox, thought that theology was very important. In its system of physics, God is essential to the nature and the absolute nature of the space. In Principia said, "the most beautiful system of the Sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed in the Council and dominion of an intelligent and powerful being."




Albert Einstein (1879-1955)Einstein is probably the best known and the most revered scientist of the twentieth century, and is related to the very important revolutions in our thinking at the time, gravity, and the conversion of matter into energy (E = mc2). Although it never reached the belief in a personal God, recognized the chimera of a not created universe. The Encyclopedia Britannica says of him: "firmly denies atheism, Einstein expressed a belief in the Spinoza Dios revealed himself in the harmony of what exists." This actually motivated his interest in science, as once was what he told a young physicist: "I want to know how God created this world, I'm not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. "I want to know your ideas, the rest are details." The epithet famous on the "uncertainty principle" of Einstein was "God doesn't play dice" - and for him it was a legitimate statement about a God in which he believed. A famous saying was that "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."





Max Planck (1858-1947)Planck made many contributions to physics, but was best-known by quantum theory, that revolutionized our understanding of Atomic and subatómicos worlds. At its Conference in 1937 on "Religion and science", Planck expressed the view that God was everywhere present, and argued that "the sanctity of the unintelligible deity was expressed by the Holiness of symbols." Atheists, believed him, give too much importance to what are just symbols. Planck was a person who helped the clergy in secular affairs from 1920 until his death, and believed in a God Almighty and omniscient and charity (though not necessarily one staff). Both science and religion make a "fight tirelessly against the scepticism and dogmatism, against unbelief and superstition" with the goal "To God!"





Dr. FRANCIS COLLINS, Director of the human genome projectThis scientist begins by saying:"I'm scientific and believer." "I find no conflict between these two visions of the world.""He is the author of the book entitled the language of God": A scientist presents evidence for believing.

[gwynned]

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There is no way to prove beyond doubt that God exists, just as it's impossible for us to prove without doubt that Michael is alive. Both kinds of non-believers have the same attitude and simply say it's 'not possible'. Most of them are not open to the idea either. I know I wasn't open to the idea that God existed. Like Gema says, I couldn't believe that some old guy on a cloud was threatening to destroy us all if we wouldn't do what he said. I thought the whole God thing was made up to scare people. I know now that that is what people WANT you to believe.

100 Years ago it was completely normal for people to believe in God, nowadays many people are even ashamed to say they believe. There are obvious consequences. Not believing in god, or that there is more to life than this, makes people indeed 'carpe diem'. They don't believe there are consequences for their actions and believing that there is noone in charge and that this is all there is, could get dangerous. It means mankind is in charge and if there is one thing I learned the past three years, it's that mankind is not fit for the job. Look at what happens in the world today. Marriage means nothing anymore, children disrespect their parents, children kill each other, women aren't appreciated anymore if they are 100% natural, because children grow up with tge most disgusting porn channels free accessable. They think that what they see on there, is normal and poor girl who doesn't want to do what the plastic women on TV do. This world has turned into a greedy, disgusting place that starts to look more and more like a porn set. The world is filled with hate and judgements from people to people. Who made us God?

This whole journey has made me look into all the 'God stuff'. It forced me to dig into a subject I wouldn't ever have laid eyes on if it weren't for Michael. I believe in God now because I believed (and still believe) in Michael. I found out that believing in God even made more sense than believing that Michael was still alive. There is more proof that God exists than that Michael is alive. The whole EOW thing is nothing to be afraid of, quite the contrary. It means an end to sufferings, an end to pain, an end to dispair. It's a beautiful promise fulfilled and that is why so many Christians can't wait for it to happen. Katherine brought it up too on Piers Morgan; it's the wicked that will be destroyed. For those who don't want to believe in God anyway, I am sure there is no problem because they already believe that death is eternal.

I don't like religion. I decided to believe in God without having a defined religion, I will get my own truth out of the great big book. I have studied though with Jehova's Witnesses and I like how they study so hard to find the truth. I believe they are close to the truth because of that. No offence, but most Catholics I know don't even read the Bible and just do what their church tells them to do. But I believe even the JW's and other similar religions err on certain subjects. They must be, because they don't agree with each other on every subject and you can't all be right. So I choose to be an independant believer. It made me look at the world through different glasses and it gives me hope. Hope that one day we will indeed have a better world. Hope that God will do what He promised.

I do think there are certain things in the Bible that can be interpretated in different ways, and I believe that every faithful Christian/God fearing person will be granted this better world. I also agree that you should seek God within yourself, that true love can only come from within. But I also believe that there are also parts in the Bible that should be taken just one way and those are the parts that prepare the people for the great tribulation, which IMO will be one big mindfuck from Satan. I believe he will do ANYTHING to make people loose faith in God and continue their wicked ways. He's collecting souls. He wants to show God that he was right, that no one can live up to God's laws and that he was kicked out of heaven unfairly.

Anyway, I am drifting off. I just wanted to say that there is nothing wrong with believing in a physical God. What is the worst that could happen if you were wrong in the end? That you die and never wake up again? Well in that case it wouldn't bother you either, and that's already what you believe. (I am not addressing people in particular, just generally)

If you don't believe in God, believe in Michael. I think that's the best advise Front could give. You can bring the horse to the water but you can't make it drink. I believed in Michael and I got thirsty. I'm glad I drank.

ps. @Gema: I think God is young and extremely good looking. The Bible says He created Adam in His own image and that He made him perfect. I don't think Adam was old and ugly and God doesn't grow old.  :icon_e_wink:

Souza, I was raised Catholic so I'm sure you can understand my 'complicated' relationship to God.  My relationship with Michael is simple.  I have unquestioning faith in him.  I have reasons, but it goes beyond reason.  I have no idea what he's going to do next and yet I have no worries.  It's the strangest thing, really, and I do understand why people think I'm a little nuts and probably worry about me. 

Anyway I so much appreciated your candor and insight.  Everything you said so resonated with me and I found great comfort in knowing I was not alone in this process.

[lilwendy]

If anyone can decipher at least 1-2 words... maybe we could have an idea about what he wrote there!

Here a clearer version:



The words say:


MENTAL PROGRAM - THOUGHT OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS TO BECOME BEST

Dream: Greatest Actor, Singer, Dancer of all time and Entertainer, The Best.

Confidence

Faith

Persistent

Belief

Study the great of your field and become greater.

Know the secrets of your endeavor "The Method"

Mind Target: Control and Influence the subconscious

Best in your field

Be Scientist know the greats method
inside and out then perfect it.

Move Mountains

?? of from True Training: A never ending persistence to equal or exceed the performance in your minds eye

Hope that helps Sim!

[MJonmind]

Gwynned

My relationship with Michael is simple.  I have unquestioning faith in him.  I have reasons, but it goes beyond reason.  I have no idea what he's going to do next and yet I have no worries.  It's the strangest thing, really, and I do understand why people think I'm a little nuts and probably worry about me.

 
Yep, that’s me also!  I can say this about NO other human.

Paula-c quoted

A famous saying was that "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Symbiotic relationship.

Simpa

"The Linguistic Structure of Michael Jackson's death hoax" - would be a vast theme to research & debate in.... my hopefully! future doctoral thesis....

I’m long convinced future scholars will/could write libraries full of studies on MJ and this hoax, similar to another famous book :icon_e_wink:.

Souza

ps. @Gema: I think God is young and extremely good looking. The Bible says He created Adam in His own image and that He made him perfect. I don't think Adam was old and ugly and God doesn't grow old.

 
 :icon_lol:  And we can only understand what we can relate to, from our experience.
This song by Alanis Morissette has always intrigued me (I love it!):

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYZKZfdr3ac[/youtube]

Wishingstar

Yes, Mary K......your amazing words make perfect sense.....beautiful post! Thank you!
Thank you too, Grace....wonderful post as well!
To all of our non-English friends here, I just have to say a quick and big thank you!
You are all amazing and I really cherish you guys so much!  I love that we are from around the
globe and can still interact so well.  You guys make it possible for an old-fashinioned girl with
one language stuck in her head, to mingle, and coexist amongst you all...........for that I am
so grateful.  I believe that we are one, we have the power to make the world a better place.....
it already is because of this forum....love you all.

I so agree!  We’re like the Tower of Babel in reverse—we are coming from all over the world with our different tongues to speak here one language, building a tower of L.O.V.E. that will reach up to God!  And perhaps now it's time, whereas it wasn't back then--because history needed to happen.

Mimi248, yep, I believe that Back post is totally MJ’s stance—utter and complete confidence in his ability. He would not publicly talk this way.

Gema and Grace, I agree MJ is telling us his role is to lead us by example, to finding the god within all of us.  He sings, “You’re just another part of me.”  We are all children of God, heirs to the throne IMO! (maybe why MJ drew all the chairs)

CC

Michael Jackson Facebook
Quote of the day: "I'm a person of the present, and I have to ask, 'How are things going now? What's happening now? What's going to happen in the future that could affect what has happened in the past?’” - From Michael Jackson’s Moonwalk

AFFECT (means change) what has happened in the past? :icon_e_surprised:  Biblical events like the promise of the return of Christ?  Perhaps MJ IS a time traveler, outside of time—he’s from the future and the past--he's seen them both!  Front's clock showed events of "Now" being outside of time. Perhaps MJ is outside of time--many hints in his poetry and lyrics...  Something Extraordinary is happening before our eyes--history in the making!!  Miraculous--suspension of natural order!

[jono]

There is no way to prove beyond doubt that God exists, just as it's impossible for us to prove without doubt that Michael is alive. Both kinds of non-believers have the same attitude and simply say it's 'not possible'. Most of them are not open to the idea either. I know I wasn't open to the idea that God existed. Like Gema says, I couldn't believe that some old guy on a cloud was threatening to destroy us all if we wouldn't do what he said. I thought the whole God thing was made up to scare people. I know now that that is what people WANT you to believe.

100 Years ago it was completely normal for people to believe in God, nowadays many people are even ashamed to say they believe. There are obvious consequences. Not believing in god, or that there is more to life than this, makes people indeed 'carpe diem'. They don't believe there are consequences for their actions and believing that there is noone in charge and that this is all there is, could get dangerous. It means mankind is in charge and if there is one thing I learned the past three years, it's that mankind is not fit for the job. Look at what happens in the world today. Marriage means nothing anymore, children disrespect their parents, children kill each other, women aren't appreciated anymore if they are 100% natural, because children grow up with tge most disgusting porn channels free accessable. They think that what they see on there, is normal and poor girl who doesn't want to do what the plastic women on TV do. This world has turned into a greedy, disgusting place that starts to look more and more like a porn set. The world is filled with hate and judgements from people to people. Who made us God?

This whole journey has made me look into all the 'God stuff'. It forced me to dig into a subject I wouldn't ever have laid eyes on if it weren't for Michael. I believe in God now because I believed (and still believe) in Michael. I found out that believing in God even made more sense than believing that Michael was still alive. There is more proof that God exists than that Michael is alive. The whole EOW thing is nothing to be afraid of, quite the contrary. It means an end to sufferings, an end to pain, an end to dispair. It's a beautiful promise fulfilled and that is why so many Christians can't wait for it to happen. Katherine brought it up too on Piers Morgan; it's the wicked that will be destroyed. For those who don't want to believe in God anyway, I am sure there is no problem because they already believe that death is eternal.

I don't like religion. I decided to believe in God without having a defined religion, I will get my own truth out of the great big book. I have studied though with Jehova's Witnesses and I like how they study so hard to find the truth. I believe they are close to the truth because of that. No offence, but most Catholics I know don't even read the Bible and just do what their church tells them to do. But I believe even the JW's and other similar religions err on certain subjects. They must be, because they don't agree with each other on every subject and you can't all be right. So I choose to be an independant believer. It made me look at the world through different glasses and it gives me hope. Hope that one day we will indeed have a better world. Hope that God will do what He promised.

I do think there are certain things in the Bible that can be interpretated in different ways, and I believe that every faithful Christian/God fearing person will be granted this better world. I also agree that you should seek God within yourself, that true love can only come from within. But I also believe that there are also parts in the Bible that should be taken just one way and those are the parts that prepare the people for the great tribulation, which IMO will be one big mindfuck from Satan. I believe he will do ANYTHING to make people loose faith in God and continue their wicked ways. He's collecting souls. He wants to show God that he was right, that no one can live up to God's laws and that he was kicked out of heaven unfairly.

Anyway, I am drifting off. I just wanted to say that there is nothing wrong with believing in a physical God. What is the worst that could happen if you were wrong in the end? That you die and never wake up again? Well in that case it wouldn't bother you either, and that's already what you believe. (I am not addressing people in particular, just generally)

If you don't believe in God, believe in Michael. I think that's the best advise Front could give. You can bring the horse to the water but you can't make it drink. I believed in Michael and I got thirsty. I'm glad I drank.

ps. @Gema: I think God is young and extremely good looking. The Bible says He created Adam in His own image and that He made him perfect. I don't think Adam was old and ugly and God doesn't grow old.  :icon_e_wink:

 :th_bravo:  :th_bravo:

 :multiplespotting:   :michael-jackson:

[mimi248]

It´s becoming like proving the existence of God, somehow.

Gema, did you imagine how deep this one might go?

What if this is the key majeur WHY we are being formed into a bridge?
Bringing enrichment to the poorest, voice to the silent, vision to the blind and God back to life?

I like your thinking, Grace.

If Michael is alive he can always come back. Would "God" to that?

Nietzsche has influenced my point of view on this matter a lot.

I respect what others believe, but, to me all is based in finding "God" withing ourselves. Lets call it human nature, force, happiness, survival...
"God" as an old man with beard who put a spell on humanity or an ET or any other theory i read it is something i can´t relate to.

We were told (by @front?) to believe in Michael if we do not in God. What I got from that message is to believe and have faith in anything. Main line, to believe.

In a world like today, to have faith is something very important. Faith helps the soul somehow, and faith does not need proof beyond a thought. But, not everyone have that mind set.

We need to love more and hate less, but in order to do that, we do not need to fear "God" or the end of the world. We just need to re-wire some of our thoughts and become healthier towards each other and our emotions.

More than "God" we need a new outlook of life and reconsider that nothing is forever, so better to take care of everything and enjoy the present! Carpe Diem!

There is no way to prove beyond doubt that God exists, just as it's impossible for us to prove without doubt that Michael is alive. Both kinds of non-believers have the same attitude and simply say it's 'not possible'. Most of them are not open to the idea either. I know I wasn't open to the idea that God existed. Like Gema says, I couldn't believe that some old guy on a cloud was threatening to destroy us all if we wouldn't do what he said. I thought the whole God thing was made up to scare people. I know now that that is what people WANT you to believe.

100 Years ago it was completely normal for people to believe in God, nowadays many people are even ashamed to say they believe. There are obvious consequences. Not believing in god, or that there is more to life than this, makes people indeed 'carpe diem'. They don't believe there are consequences for their actions and believing that there is noone in charge and that this is all there is, could get dangerous. It means mankind is in charge and if there is one thing I learned the past three years, it's that mankind is not fit for the job. Look at what happens in the world today. Marriage means nothing anymore, children disrespect their parents, children kill each other, women aren't appreciated anymore if they are 100% natural, because children grow up with tge most disgusting porn channels free accessable. They think that what they see on there, is normal and poor girl who doesn't want to do what the plastic women on TV do. This world has turned into a greedy, disgusting place that starts to look more and more like a porn set. The world is filled with hate and judgements from people to people. Who made us God?

This whole journey has made me look into all the 'God stuff'. It forced me to dig into a subject I wouldn't ever have laid eyes on if it weren't for Michael. I believe in God now because I believed (and still believe) in Michael. I found out that believing in God even made more sense than believing that Michael was still alive. There is more proof that God exists than that Michael is alive. The whole EOW thing is nothing to be afraid of, quite the contrary. It means an end to sufferings, an end to pain, an end to dispair. It's a beautiful promise fulfilled and that is why so many Christians can't wait for it to happen. Katherine brought it up too on Piers Morgan; it's the wicked that will be destroyed. For those who don't want to believe in God anyway, I am sure there is no problem because they already believe that death is eternal.

I don't like religion. I decided to believe in God without having a defined religion, I will get my own truth out of the great big book. I have studied though with Jehova's Witnesses and I like how they study so hard to find the truth. I believe they are close to the truth because of that. No offence, but most Catholics I know don't even read the Bible and just do what their church tells them to do. But I believe even the JW's and other similar religions err on certain subjects. They must be, because they don't agree with each other on every subject and you can't all be right. So I choose to be an independant believer. It made me look at the world through different glasses and it gives me hope. Hope that one day we will indeed have a better world. Hope that God will do what He promised.

I do think there are certain things in the Bible that can be interpretated in different ways, and I believe that every faithful Christian/God fearing person will be granted this better world. I also agree that you should seek God within yourself, that true love can only come from within. But I also believe that there are also parts in the Bible that should be taken just one way and those are the parts that prepare the people for the great tribulation, which IMO will be one big mindfuck from Satan. I believe he will do ANYTHING to make people loose faith in God and continue their wicked ways. He's collecting souls. He wants to show God that he was right, that no one can live up to God's laws and that he was kicked out of heaven unfairly.

Anyway, I am drifting off. I just wanted to say that there is nothing wrong with believing in a physical God. What is the worst that could happen if you were wrong in the end? That you die and never wake up again? Well in that case it wouldn't bother you either, and that's already what you believe. (I am not addressing people in particular, just generally)

If you don't believe in God, believe in Michael. I think that's the best advise Front could give. You can bring the horse to the water but you can't make it drink. I believed in Michael and I got thirsty. I'm glad I drank.

ps. @Gema: I think God is young and extremely good looking. The Bible says He created Adam in His own image and that He made him perfect. I don't think Adam was old and ugly and God doesn't grow old.  :icon_e_wink:

God is a spirit NOT a human

[jono]

@ Paula, are you of the thought that we come from Adan´s rib?

I believe in God, ..nor do I think that I am a descendant of a monkey, … ..why the mono could not evolve? :over-react-smiley: :icon_lol:

"...In other words, 70 percent was a conservative estimate, especially when considering that 50 percent of the human genes were missing from the chimp, and that the regions that did have some similarity were located in completely different patterns. When all aspects of non-similarity--sequence categories, genes, gene families, and gene position--are taken into account, it is safe to say that the overall similarity was lower than 70 percent. The Nature article expressed the discrepancy between this data and standard evolutionary interpretations in a rather intriguing way: "Indeed, at 6 million years of separation, the difference in MSY gene content in chimpanzee and human is more comparable to the difference in autosomal gene content in chicken and human, at 310 million years of separation."

So, the human Y chromosome looks just as different from a chimp as the other human chromosomes do from a chicken. And to explain where all these differences between humans and chimps came from, believers in big-picture evolution are forced to invent stories of major chromosomal rearrangements and rapid generation of vast amounts of many new genes, along with accompanying regulatory DNA.

However, since each respective Y chromosome appears fully integrated and interdependently stable with its host organism, the most logical inference from the Y chromosome data is that humans and chimpanzees were each specially created as distinct creatures." - You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

 :icon_lol:

[veronicafall]

I believe Souza also said she's not 100% sure, so maybe it's 90% or whatever... I'm only 0%. Does it matter so much the difference of  a number?  :icon_geek:
"My ideal MJ" (as Bec called my way of seeing Michael) doesn't match with Front.

No, not 90%. More like 99,9%. It would have been 100% if I didn't have that fear of failure, lol. I'd like to keep a tiny option open that I am completely nuts and not seeing very clearly. I do think I'm completely sane though, which is a wonder in itself, but I can't be 100% until I have seen a face without sunglasses.

So what DO you think Michael is like? And how can you say 0%? It should at least be 0.01%, otherwise you would imply that there is no way you can be wrong.

And what is so wrong about Front? I think he is charming, intelligent, assertive, funny and caring. That's pretty much the same as I have in mind when I think about how Michael would be. So I am very curious about your view.

@Front: need an inflatable donut already? I'll stop now, just had to make a point. Don't get used to it. :icon_e_wink:

There are many people charming, intelligent, funny in this world, Souza, and they are not all Michael Jackson. There are small details that I see them as mistakes, like that one when he wrote that angry post using the word "karma", that ensure me this is not MJ.

About the 0%, I think I thought it that way, that there is no chance Front is Michael, yes... When I said if Front is Michael then I will quit being his fan, it was a way of expressing my certainty. Something tells me I will always be his fan. I trust my feeling in this case. We will see if I was wrong or not, hopefully.

For the moment I will not talk about the way I see Michael, for the image I have about him is too pure to risk to be dirty by possibly ironical comments later. I prefer to keep it to myself for now. I hope you understand.
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To the person on this forum who accused me of hypocrisy: I could accuse you of stupidity, but I won't do this. If I were a hypocrite as you say, I'd tell you how much I love your posts and how logical your connections are, then I'd do all the clapping that you are so good at.
Stop speculating about the reasons I'm here and mind your own business.

[GINAFELICIA]

Here a clearer version:



The words say:


MENTAL PROGRAM - THOUGHT OF THE SUBCONSCIOUS TO BECOME BEST

Dream: Greatest Actor, Singer, Dancer of all time and Entertainer, The Best.

Confidence

Faith

Persistent

Belief

Study the great of your field and become greater.

Know the secrets of your endeavor "The Method"

Mind Target: Control and Influence the subconscious

Best in your field

Be Scientist know the greats method
inside and out then perfect it.

Move Mountains

?? of from True Training: A never ending persistence to equal or exceed the performance in your minds eye

Hope that helps Sim!

I am glad you posted this. And amazed how deep his thinking could go.

[MissG]

It´s becoming like proving the existence of God, somehow.

Gema, did you imagine how deep this one might go?

What if this is the key majeur WHY we are being formed into a bridge?
Bringing enrichment to the poorest, voice to the silent, vision to the blind and God back to life?

I like your thinking, Grace.

If Michael is alive he can always come back. Would "God" to that?

Nietzsche has influenced my point of view on this matter a lot.

I respect what others believe, but, to me all is based in finding "God" withing ourselves. Lets call it human nature, force, happiness, survival...
"God" as an old man with beard who put a spell on humanity or an ET or any other theory i read it is something i can´t relate to.

We were told (by @front?) to believe in Michael if we do not in God. What I got from that message is to believe and have faith in anything. Main line, to believe.

In a world like today, to have faith is something very important. Faith helps the soul somehow, and faith does not need proof beyond a thought. But, not everyone have that mind set.

We need to love more and hate less, but in order to do that, we do not need to fear "God" or the end of the world. We just need to re-wire some of our thoughts and become healthier towards each other and our emotions.

More than "God" we need a new outlook of life and reconsider that nothing is forever, so better to take care of everything and enjoy the present! Carpe Diem!

There is no way to prove beyond doubt that God exists, just as it's impossible for us to prove without doubt that Michael is alive. Both kinds of non-believers have the same attitude and simply say it's 'not possible'. Most of them are not open to the idea either. I know I wasn't open to the idea that God existed. Like Gema says, I couldn't believe that some old guy on a cloud was threatening to destroy us all if we wouldn't do what he said. I thought the whole God thing was made up to scare people. I know now that that is what people WANT you to believe.

100 Years ago it was completely normal for people to believe in God, nowadays many people are even ashamed to say they believe. There are obvious consequences. Not believing in god, or that there is more to life than this, makes people indeed 'carpe diem'. They don't believe there are consequences for their actions and believing that there is noone in charge and that this is all there is, could get dangerous. It means mankind is in charge and if there is one thing I learned the past three years, it's that mankind is not fit for the job. Look at what happens in the world today. Marriage means nothing anymore, children disrespect their parents, children kill each other, women aren't appreciated anymore if they are 100% natural, because children grow up with tge most disgusting porn channels free accessable. They think that what they see on there, is normal and poor girl who doesn't want to do what the plastic women on TV do. This world has turned into a greedy, disgusting place that starts to look more and more like a porn set. The world is filled with hate and judgements from people to people. Who made us God?

This whole journey has made me look into all the 'God stuff'. It forced me to dig into a subject I wouldn't ever have laid eyes on if it weren't for Michael. I believe in God now because I believed (and still believe) in Michael. I found out that believing in God even made more sense than believing that Michael was still alive. There is more proof that God exists than that Michael is alive. The whole EOW thing is nothing to be afraid of, quite the contrary. It means an end to sufferings, an end to pain, an end to dispair. It's a beautiful promise fulfilled and that is why so many Christians can't wait for it to happen. Katherine brought it up too on Piers Morgan; it's the wicked that will be destroyed. For those who don't want to believe in God anyway, I am sure there is no problem because they already believe that death is eternal.

I don't like religion. I decided to believe in God without having a defined religion, I will get my own truth out of the great big book. I have studied though with Jehova's Witnesses and I like how they study so hard to find the truth. I believe they are close to the truth because of that. No offence, but most Catholics I know don't even read the Bible and just do what their church tells them to do. But I believe even the JW's and other similar religions err on certain subjects. They must be, because they don't agree with each other on every subject and you can't all be right. So I choose to be an independant believer. It made me look at the world through different glasses and it gives me hope. Hope that one day we will indeed have a better world. Hope that God will do what He promised.

I do think there are certain things in the Bible that can be interpretated in different ways, and I believe that every faithful Christian/God fearing person will be granted this better world. I also agree that you should seek God within yourself, that true love can only come from within. But I also believe that there are also parts in the Bible that should be taken just one way and those are the parts that prepare the people for the great tribulation, which IMO will be one big mindfuck from Satan. I believe he will do ANYTHING to make people loose faith in God and continue their wicked ways. He's collecting souls. He wants to show God that he was right, that no one can live up to God's laws and that he was kicked out of heaven unfairly.

Anyway, I am drifting off. I just wanted to say that there is nothing wrong with believing in a physical God. What is the worst that could happen if you were wrong in the end? That you die and never wake up again? Well in that case it wouldn't bother you either, and that's already what you believe. (I am not addressing people in particular, just generally)

If you don't believe in God, believe in Michael. I think that's the best advise Front could give. You can bring the horse to the water but you can't make it drink. I believed in Michael and I got thirsty. I'm glad I drank.

ps. @Gema: I think God is young and extremely good looking. The Bible says He created Adam in His own image and that He made him perfect. I don't think Adam was old and ugly and God doesn't grow old.  :icon_e_wink:

I reply to this post but it is also in answer to those who think like you do.
Everyone here knows where I stand, but I want to speak up my beliefs as well.

It is not like proving that MJ could be/ is alive. We know how he lived and that he was targeted. There is a high chance that he needed to get away.

When comes to God, the burden of proof lies not on the atheist to disprove the existence of God, but on the theist to provide a rationale for theism.

Jainism and some forms of Buddhism do not advocate belief in gods neither do humanistic Judaism and Christian atheists. Atheistic schools are found in early Indian thought and have existed from the times of the historical Vedic religion, i.e.
Curious that the ancient Romans accused Christians of being atheists for not worshiping their Gods.

I´ll like to make a citation. Baron d´Holbach said that "All children are born Atheists; they have no idea of God." And he was right.

God and other religious beliefs are human inventions, created to fulfill various psychological and emotional wants or needs. God and religion are merely social functions. This is ok in order to “control de masses” in this society but how far should one go? Who is anyone to judge me or others by spreading “Gods words” about EOW, for example? Why would God save just those who listen to those preaching about it? Why are "you" who preach about it better than any other human being? Who measures that? I tell you who. The humans that believe that they are the chosen ones by “God” because they are reading and follow "the book", the humans that believe that they are better than the rest and keep judging others because they are afraid of being judge. This is a sign of superiority complex, btw.

-If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him- Voltaire.

Humanity is the absolute source of ethics and values, and permits individuals to resolve moral problems without resorting to God.
Belief in gods does not motivate moral action, religious action, or any other form of action.

Behaving ethically only because of divine mandate is not true ethical behavior but merely blind obedience. So, by this, one can say that divine authority lends itself to authoritarianism and dogmatism. What´s good with that? Aren´t we talking about freedom all the time?

I respect those who believe in a God of Love, a God who helps people a God who cares but those who promote “I am better than the rest because I follow this or that and the rest will be exterminated” sounds to me rather fundamentalist and dangerous. Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church) is a living example of it.
They also believe they do right spreading hate in God´s name You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Nothing will happen. The so called Hell is on earth already, so, do not worry for eternity and enjoy your personal Heaven instead HERE and NOW, love each other and be happy.
LIVE YOUR LIFE NOW. Saving it for the “after life” is an utopia.

With Love.

[MissG]

About the theory of evolution I also have a lot to say. But later...

I´ll be back

Gemanator *goes away*ñiiii- ñiii - clack - clack*