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Quote from: "Its her"Quote from: "fordtocarr"I want to thank you all who encourage me to keep on hoaxing, including you TS. I didn't mean to rant or sound depressed on this thread (there is one for that), but I DID want TS to know my feelings, so I placed it in his thread.I am still no better off in the confusion, and I see that the posts following mine are not either. TS, you posted in the very next comment to the one to me, in your first sentence, another obscure statement. The very thing that upsets me. Right off, you say "Let me first answer why there were not more people on the scene, if it was really 6-25-09." Why, if you KNOW or don't know, just SAY it?? Why lead us on goose chases where we are like the blind, perhaps thinking we've picked up the golden egg when it was only goose poo! We go on thinking we have it and then days later, you give us another "clue" that says something again obscure and double sided so we really don't know if we're right or wrong. When you could JUST SAY IT!!You are a very valuable, intellectual, reasoning, investigative person to us. But, I think you lead us to feel, in your intelligence, that all you present is correct or in the "know". We tend to give up other theories because again of your presented persona, which may be correct, when you could be just theorizing or speculating as we are.Forgive me, please, you know how harmful I feel toward the messing with lives with this approach. I am so grateful to your imput, I just really believe, put up or shut up. Prove it or it's speculation. You lead us to varied opinion, not consensus, and if you KNOW a fact, then there COULD BE a consensus. FINALLY. There is method to the madness. Of course, TS KNOWs, if he is in anyway on the inside of this Mystery. Either he is writing it as he goes (NO), or he and MJ (and one other, I think )have already worked out the millions of little details in this complex legal case, which will make or break the case, depending on an important hurdle of unpredictability: the thoughts (deductions) and emotions which form jury opinion, which decides the outcome of the case, barring judicial overrule. I think "TS" stands for "The Solicitor". He is male. He is an attorney. Could be Branca. Remember how they tried hard to paint him as an enemy, to throw us off his trail as in on the Hoax Plot...WhoEVER he is, he is not a criminal attorney, but he is quick enough to know that no matter how ironclad the evidence, and how airtight the case they have worked out, everything can go WAY south if they cannot convince a jury. :!: People are quirky.The object of this game (figuratively speaking) here, is not to come right out and tell us what TS already mostly knows (they may be deciding about something or other, yet). It is not to build or flesh out their case, either, which I think, barring new evidence, is wrapped up). It ESPECIALLY is not to frustrate us! One thing may be frustrating THEM to no end :lol: :lol: 8-) : is, that you cannot MAKE people see something which they don't (or won't) see!! THEY must point it out, unmistakeably. It is the lawyer's job. A CRAFTY lawyer can put an innocent man in prison for a lifetime, convincing people that they see something which is not EVEN there. This is where the phrase came from that "Lawyers are LIARS". But, a man of integrity, who wishes to hone his craft and consistently win for his clients, with the TRUTH, NEEDs to be able to paint the facts, logically, inside the heads of unlimited types of people, any given day: the distracted, the disinterested, those selected for jury against their preference, the under educated (on the subject at hand), the immature (growing old doesn't mean growing up), the antagonistic or hostile, people who, from the get go, hold prejudice for your client, and on and on and on.... :shock: It is a test, (NOT of US) to see if presenting evidence in various ways will better control the outcome of opinion. The genius is in trying to "make us see" (where have we heard THAT?); or, trying to see if they CAN make all different kinds of people, SEE how it IS and win the case. See? There is NO pressure on us. Yeah, use your "noodle", but, don't worry about it! It is supposed to be fun and educational. I refuse to feel like a lab mouse intellect (squeak), next to some of the ultra intelligent, here, because photography was never my thing, professionally or recreationally. I help myself to cheese every day, whether I'm rewarded here or NOT. We all have different things to add. It is not a competition. TS simply needs to make it clearer. If he were trying this case in court, and he can't give US (the most interested and focused audience EVER) enough facts arranged to be crystal clear to US, how are the actual attorneys going to prove it to the average joe? :? :shock: :geek: Just throwing that out there.... the solicitor : what about oxman? is it possible ? what do you think?
Quote from: "fordtocarr"I want to thank you all who encourage me to keep on hoaxing, including you TS. I didn't mean to rant or sound depressed on this thread (there is one for that), but I DID want TS to know my feelings, so I placed it in his thread.I am still no better off in the confusion, and I see that the posts following mine are not either. TS, you posted in the very next comment to the one to me, in your first sentence, another obscure statement. The very thing that upsets me. Right off, you say "Let me first answer why there were not more people on the scene, if it was really 6-25-09." Why, if you KNOW or don't know, just SAY it?? Why lead us on goose chases where we are like the blind, perhaps thinking we've picked up the golden egg when it was only goose poo! We go on thinking we have it and then days later, you give us another "clue" that says something again obscure and double sided so we really don't know if we're right or wrong. When you could JUST SAY IT!!You are a very valuable, intellectual, reasoning, investigative person to us. But, I think you lead us to feel, in your intelligence, that all you present is correct or in the "know". We tend to give up other theories because again of your presented persona, which may be correct, when you could be just theorizing or speculating as we are.Forgive me, please, you know how harmful I feel toward the messing with lives with this approach. I am so grateful to your imput, I just really believe, put up or shut up. Prove it or it's speculation. You lead us to varied opinion, not consensus, and if you KNOW a fact, then there COULD BE a consensus. FINALLY. There is method to the madness. Of course, TS KNOWs, if he is in anyway on the inside of this Mystery. Either he is writing it as he goes (NO), or he and MJ (and one other, I think )have already worked out the millions of little details in this complex legal case, which will make or break the case, depending on an important hurdle of unpredictability: the thoughts (deductions) and emotions which form jury opinion, which decides the outcome of the case, barring judicial overrule. I think "TS" stands for "The Solicitor". He is male. He is an attorney. Could be Branca. Remember how they tried hard to paint him as an enemy, to throw us off his trail as in on the Hoax Plot...WhoEVER he is, he is not a criminal attorney, but he is quick enough to know that no matter how ironclad the evidence, and how airtight the case they have worked out, everything can go WAY south if they cannot convince a jury. :!: People are quirky.The object of this game (figuratively speaking) here, is not to come right out and tell us what TS already mostly knows (they may be deciding about something or other, yet). It is not to build or flesh out their case, either, which I think, barring new evidence, is wrapped up). It ESPECIALLY is not to frustrate us! One thing may be frustrating THEM to no end :lol: :lol: 8-) : is, that you cannot MAKE people see something which they don't (or won't) see!! THEY must point it out, unmistakeably. It is the lawyer's job. A CRAFTY lawyer can put an innocent man in prison for a lifetime, convincing people that they see something which is not EVEN there. This is where the phrase came from that "Lawyers are LIARS". But, a man of integrity, who wishes to hone his craft and consistently win for his clients, with the TRUTH, NEEDs to be able to paint the facts, logically, inside the heads of unlimited types of people, any given day: the distracted, the disinterested, those selected for jury against their preference, the under educated (on the subject at hand), the immature (growing old doesn't mean growing up), the antagonistic or hostile, people who, from the get go, hold prejudice for your client, and on and on and on.... :shock: It is a test, (NOT of US) to see if presenting evidence in various ways will better control the outcome of opinion. The genius is in trying to "make us see" (where have we heard THAT?); or, trying to see if they CAN make all different kinds of people, SEE how it IS and win the case. See? There is NO pressure on us. Yeah, use your "noodle", but, don't worry about it! It is supposed to be fun and educational. I refuse to feel like a lab mouse intellect (squeak), next to some of the ultra intelligent, here, because photography was never my thing, professionally or recreationally. I help myself to cheese every day, whether I'm rewarded here or NOT. We all have different things to add. It is not a competition. TS simply needs to make it clearer. If he were trying this case in court, and he can't give US (the most interested and focused audience EVER) enough facts arranged to be crystal clear to US, how are the actual attorneys going to prove it to the average joe? :? :shock: :geek: Just throwing that out there....
I want to thank you all who encourage me to keep on hoaxing, including you TS. I didn't mean to rant or sound depressed on this thread (there is one for that), but I DID want TS to know my feelings, so I placed it in his thread.I am still no better off in the confusion, and I see that the posts following mine are not either. TS, you posted in the very next comment to the one to me, in your first sentence, another obscure statement. The very thing that upsets me. Right off, you say "Let me first answer why there were not more people on the scene, if it was really 6-25-09." Why, if you KNOW or don't know, just SAY it?? Why lead us on goose chases where we are like the blind, perhaps thinking we've picked up the golden egg when it was only goose poo! We go on thinking we have it and then days later, you give us another "clue" that says something again obscure and double sided so we really don't know if we're right or wrong. When you could JUST SAY IT!!You are a very valuable, intellectual, reasoning, investigative person to us. But, I think you lead us to feel, in your intelligence, that all you present is correct or in the "know". We tend to give up other theories because again of your presented persona, which may be correct, when you could be just theorizing or speculating as we are.Forgive me, please, you know how harmful I feel toward the messing with lives with this approach. I am so grateful to your imput, I just really believe, put up or shut up. Prove it or it's speculation. You lead us to varied opinion, not consensus, and if you KNOW a fact, then there COULD BE a consensus. FINALLY.
to prove what?
I kinda think too, that MJ and his team need to do some more fine tuning giving clues and confidence balanced with shaking most followers off the trail--delicate. My question is if TS really wants people thinking/discussing NWO and how powerful and dangerous they are, does that not signal TPTB's bloodhounds right over to us, checking our posts. (Who are all those guests anyway?) It's not like we all meet in a bug-free, sound-tight room like Maxwell Smart's boss and him. You have Donald Trump twice really stressing how smart Michael is, and Kathy Hilton specifically saying how powerful MJ is. Pretty loud and clear, or are they playing an intimidation game with the big boys. The FBI are supposed to be involved, and IMHO they are connected with the CIA and big US government so how could they be good guys. As for MJ staying away in hiding and only coming out if we connect all the dots and "get" what he wants us to, that's like God saying Jesus will only come back when everybody on earth has heard. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. If that's the case, since we have limited human abilities, then this beautiful fabulous hoax will simply unravel, disintigrate and be perpetuated by a few toothless grannies (gramps) 30 to 50 years into the future. Naw, ain't gonna happen. I really think TS is just saying that to pressure us to put our thinking caps on, artistic license and all that. We have to read between the TS lines a bit. I really do think TS wants us to take the time to like heartphantom and MJFAN7 have just done, rehash previous posts of his. It's so much more fun to do quick superficial interpretations of new bits we see/read. (picture 2 little guys perched on each of my shoulders) On the other hand, there is sadly a voice saying that all the clues and even the BAM part at the end of TII is part of a program of immortality and living on forever that MJ is instituting--a promise with no intention of fulfilling it with an actual comeback but giving us empty hope, starting a myth/legend/cult, etc. "It's all just good business", he says. :cry: Could TS be kind and cruel at the same time? Afterall MJ doesn't really owe us anything, and has given all his life, has dealt with the pressures of unpleasant press and grabbing fans all his life. If that's true, that would cause me personal pain at the time I have wasted here then, but it would be my own choice. Sorry, I'm again weighing everything, and just don't know what to believe/think. errrr geek/
If we prove it, that means it's possible, which means anyone could do the same.
QuoteIf we prove it, that means it's possible, which means anyone could do the same. agreed but to whom serves the fact that anyone could see this is a hoax?