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TS_comments wrote: 2good2btrue wrote:Thanks for the new information TS.There had to be a real ambulance at Carolwood Dve, to help start the illusion.... Yes, if you mean on 6-25-09. However, my statement was referring to a staged photo before 6-25-09. Here is my statement again: "For example: if the ambulance photo was staged before 6-25-09, why bother bringing the ambulance to Carolwood Drive [before 6-25-09]—just to take a photo of things inside the ambulance?"
In regards to the medics being real, that is a question I've always had. Oh how I wish I lived out there so I could go and investigate personally while I'm off work!! I've wondered if anyone was able to go to the station house and just look at the medics, try to find some traits we find in the pics.Anyhow, this seems to have become the TS leadership place to go..so I'm saying thank you for pushing us into different directions while we await the hard times ahead with the trial.I'm reading the Trials of Michael Jackson right now and am in SHOCK as to the life Michael must've lived and am also getting a lot of new perspective as to perhaps what is going on NOW!Thanks for your info and help..and Trusting you with your good faith )
First of all, congratulations to everyone—you have been doing an excellent job on the 2-26 thread investigation! <!-- s:) --><!-- s:) --> Second, today is graduation; it’s now time to take this investigation to the next level. <!-- s:o --><!-- s:o --> <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> Third, today is March 9—which is the two year anniversary of the amazing bull market rally that is still going, and which I related to God and the hoax a year ago in Update #4 (4-33). <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> Fourth, speaking of update #4, that was my most detailed numerology post; and #4a was posted one year ago today (CA time), which was six months after 9-9-09. <!-- s:geek: -->:geek:<!-- s:geek: --> And fifth, speaking of numerology, it’s now time to start looking at how numerology unlocks and explains some of the hows of the hoax (in addition to explaining the when and why, which I have already discussed in great detail).The next level means that we are now going to shift the focus from the ambulance picture (whether it was real or fake, etc) to whether or not some or all of the paramedics are in on the hoax. Did the actual paramedics pose for a staged ambulance shot before 6-25-09? Or did MJ use actors dressed like paramedics? Was the ambulance photo staged with the actual #71 LAFD ambulance, or another one that looks about the same inside? Would the real paramedics publicly deny the ambulance photo, if it was not them in the picture (and they were not in on the hoax)?These and similar questions are now the focus of investigation. Yes, we have already discussed these things to some extent; but it has not been the focus before now. You may continue discussing the ambulance photo, if you want; and please keep that discussion in the proper thread {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.Of course the ambulance photo is part of the evidence related to the paramedics, so the photo will still be discussed somewhat in this thread; but try to remember the focus of discussion in this thread. When it’s time to graduate again, I will start another thread with the focus of who or what (if anything) went to the hospital on the stretcher in the ambulance. We might need to discuss this a little now, but it’s not the focus yet; so let’s see what we can establish about the paramedics, before we focus on that aspect.In the previous thread, I mentioned that it’s good to have at least two or more strong evidences pointing to the same conclusion; and we now have at least four strong points, indicating that the ambulance photo is fake—even after some (including me) have tried to play unbeliever, and debunk whatever we can. Here are those four strong points, with links to some of the evidence. People are still welcome to try and debunk them if they can; but please read at least the information in the links below, before trying to debunk them.#1. Ben’s slip: “Chris, and the other people that were there that day and the other d---- and uhhh, and uhhh ----”{You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.#2. In the video of the ambulance, the monitor/screen is clearly on {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. In the photo, the monitor/screen is not on {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.#3. The shadows on the red car in the video do not match the shadows on the red car in the photo {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}.#4. The paramedics did not recognize MJ; they said it looked like an old man, maybe a hospice patient {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login; You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. This report of the paramedics does not fit with the face we see in the ambulance photo. If the paramedics are in on the hoax, and what they said was scripted: then the ambulance photo is fake, one way or another. And if the paramedics are not in on the hoax, then what they said was true—and does not fit with what we see in the ambulance photo, which would still mean that it is fake {You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login}. Either way, then (paramedics in on it or not): the photo is fake; so the only question is what method was used to make the phony photo.The first three of these four points listed above indicate that the photo was planned and staged in advance, rather than merely editing MJ’s face into a photo that was actually taken through the ambulance window on 6-25-09. This is why I started our investigation process with the ambulance photo; now we know that it was planned and staged in advance, so we have a good platform upon which we can build our next level of investigation.Please remember to use common sense, in addition to forensic investigation and raw data analysis. For example: if the ambulance photo was staged before 6-25-09, why bother bringing the ambulance to Carolwood Drive—just to take a photo of things inside the ambulance? Why not stage the photo elsewhere, and indoors, where there would be a very low risk of the wrong people seeing what is going on? Also keep in mind the goals of the hoax; common sense should tell us that the only ones in on the hoax are those who need to know about it, in order to accomplish the goals. Why would MJ spend tons of money—and greatly increase the risk of someone letting the cat out of the bag too soon—just to have dozens or hundreds of people in on the hoax, who don’t need to be in on it?Finally, just like last time, I may play “DA” (devil's advocate)—and try to debunk things that are true, just to keep you on your toes! Enjoy the ride!!
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginits incridible how this guy looks like MJ...
Michael Jackson hearing: Paparazzi, fans hampered paramedics from getting stricken pop star to hospitalJanuary 6, 2011 | 10:58 am A paramedic who tried in vain to save Michael Jackson’s life testified Thursday that an unruly crowd of paparazzi and tourists outside the pop star’s home hampered efforts to get to the hospital recalled Los Angeles City Fire Department paramedic Richard“It’s a circus out there. It’s unbelievable,”Richard Senneff of the scene outside Jackson’s Holmby Hills mansion June 25, 2009. The witness testified on the second day of testimony at a hearing to determine whether there is enough evidence to try Dr. Conrad Murray for involuntary manslaughter. Senneff said that the ambulance driver had trouble navigating away from the residence because of a throng that included passengers of a tour bus and photographers with “big cameras, little cameras, video cameras, still cameras.”At one point, a man with a video camera ran alongside the ambulance holding a camera with a large lens against the window. “It just seemed wrong,” he said. Under questioning by a defense lawyer, Senneff said Murray wanted to put a “central line” to restart Jackson’s heart, but that medics did not have equipment or training to do so. He said the singer did not respond to two rounds of drugs to revive him and hospital officials told him over the radio to “call” Jackson’s death, but that neither he nor Murray wanted to do so. “I said, 'Be advised, this is a very high-profile VIP,' ” Senneff said.u]. “I said, 'Be advised, this is a very high-profile VIP,' ” Senneff said.[/size]The 50-year-old singer was pronounced dead at UCLA Medical Center. Senneff said rescue workers had gone “above and beyond” the call of duty in the field not because Jackson was a celebrity, but “because it was someone’s son.” Katherine Jackson, the singer’s mother, listened intently in the courtroom gallery. Judge Michael Pastor also heard from a second paramedic who, like Senneff, said that Murray initially claimed he had not given his patient any medication.Martin Blount said the denial struck him as odd because he saw a hypodermic needle and three bottles of lidocaine in the room. Murray, he said, “scooped up” the bottles and placed them in a bag before they left for the hospital. “Did you ever see those bottles again,” Deputy Dist. Atty. David Walgren asked. “No, sir,” Blount replied. Murray, 57, has pleaded not guilty.Prosecutors accuse Murray of an “extreme deviation” from the standard of medical care by, among other things, giving Jackson the surgical anesthetic propofol to treat insomnia.
I am posting this article to disprove the hoax regarding the theory/reason why the ambulance drove backwards and slowly. Paramedic Senneff gives the reason for that. Blame it on the fans and paps why they couldn't save Michael, shifting blame onto fans and paps will supposedly relieve him from any harm/blame to the King of Pop. <!-- s8-) -->8-)<!-- s8-) --> <!-- s;) --><!-- s;) --> He also gives credibility to Ben's pic by saying "At one point, a man with a video camera ran alongside the ambulance holding a camera with a large lens against the window." I am also posting some questions that can be either pro hoax or against depending how the questions are answered.Q-What would be considered going above and beyond the call of duty?Q-Why didn't he (Senneff) want to call the time of death either even though the hospital told him to do so? Q-How many paramedics were actually in that ambulance? According to Senneff's testimony there was a driver, himself, and Blount. So that is 3 but only two testified?
To start with something pretty basic, I'd like to know if the paramedics that gave evidence at the prelim looked anything like the ones we see in the ambulance pic. Without their faces I realise that's hard, but if the court ones happened to be obviously very different e.g. big burly black men, then that would help! Sinderella, if you're around, I have it in my mind that you knew someone who was in court who was giving you the info that you were so diligently posting for us (but I may have dreamed that!). Could they, or anyone else help us out here?I'd also like to clarify how many paramedics there were. I always thought there was just the two until someone here said there were three. Only two gave evidence at the prelim.Well that'll do for starters!
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginits incredible how this guy looks like MJ...
Quote from: "VeryLittleSusie"On these photos - MJ on the stretcher entering the hospital - we can se at least 2 paramedics in dark blue suits.... :?And i guess Murray is there in the white T-shirt...I think that all these footage was staged before and handed over to the press/television as the finished material. It was not filmed by CNN as far as I know... (I might be wrong)They could have easily film it before June 25 and then send it to the media to publish. Nowadays, nobody bothers to verify the material, we can observe the copy-paste journalism in bloossom...VeryLittleSusie - You might be getting ahead of the game. The ambulances don't match in the 'arriving at the hospital' scenes. Look at the different rear doors and the yellow reflector behind the back wheel in the first photo -it isn't on the ambulance in the second photo. I saw this online somewhere and had been looking for it.
On these photos - MJ on the stretcher entering the hospital - we can se at least 2 paramedics in dark blue suits.... :?And i guess Murray is there in the white T-shirt...I think that all these footage was staged before and handed over to the press/television as the finished material. It was not filmed by CNN as far as I know... (I might be wrong)They could have easily film it before June 25 and then send it to the media to publish. Nowadays, nobody bothers to verify the material, we can observe the copy-paste journalism in bloossom...
The next level means that we are now going to shift the focus from the ambulance picture (whether it was real or fake, etc) to whether or not some or all of the paramedics are in on the hoax.
Did the actual paramedics pose for a staged ambulance shot before 6-25-09? Or did MJ use actors dressed like paramedics?
Was the ambulance photo staged with the actual #71 LAFD ambulance, or another one that looks about the same inside?
Would the real paramedics publicly deny the ambulance photo, if it was not them in the picture (and they were not in on the hoax)?
Please remember to use common sense, in addition to forensic investigation and raw data analysis. For example: if the ambulance photo was staged before 6-25-09, why bother bringing the ambulance to Carolwood Drive—just to take a photo of things inside the ambulance?
Why not stage the photo elsewhere, and indoors, where there would be a very low risk of the wrong people seeing what is going on?
Also keep in mind the goals of the hoax
common sense should tell us that the only ones in on the hoax are those who need to know about it, in order to accomplish the goals. Why would MJ spend tons of money—and greatly increase the risk of someone letting the cat out of the bag too soon—just to have dozens or hundreds of people in on the hoax, who don’t need to be in on it?