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If Michael were "dead" there would be no Liberian Girl theme to the memorial/burial. No, there are clues, big FAT clues, that indicate to anyone who cares to notice that Michael IS simply "dead".Also, if Michael was in fear for his life and safety, those kids never would have been revealed... not before 6/25 and not after either. They would be forever shrouded and their identity forever concealed because that would be the only safety they would ever know. You don't present your children to the world and parade them all over the public stage if you're worried about evil-doers wanting to harm you. That makes no sense.
Suspicious mindahh he just said thedoctor woke him upto tell him about diana . any thoughts?
Quote from: GemaQuote from: MJonmindQuoteGemaIn the New Testament book of Revelations, it says:“They continued to ‘raise their fists at God, refuse to repent and sores were all over their bodies’ ”Revelations. Chapter 16: vs. 11What translation is that from? In 10 or so different main translations there is no reference to raising fists at God in that verse. Scroll down. <!-- m -->You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login<!-- m -->I am not sure if I did it right since I am not bible friendly <!-- s:) --><!-- s:) --> . I copied the interpretation from a blog. Anyway, here the text talking about raising their fist because they were angry:"They blasphemed the God of heaven… Again, those on earth respond in blaspheming God. The righteousness of God’s wrath demonstrated by its recipients, for the second time humanity shakes their fist toward heaven, and blasphemes God’s name"<!-- m -->You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login<!-- m -->[font=cursive:10rfjauf][sub:10rfjauf]This is from the translation that Michael and the family (kids and Katherine and LaToya)use... It's the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures :10 And the fifth one poured out his bowl upon the throne of the wild beast. And its kingdom became darkened, and they began to gnaw their tongues for [their] pain, 11 but they blasphemed the God of heaven for their pains and for their ulcers, and they did not repent of their works.This translation, that I use also, does not use those words either. I'm assuming, therefore, that Michael's fist, is a sort of conquering thing. I presume we will all just be guessing <!-- s:) --><!-- s:) -->[/sub:10rfjauf][/font:10rfjauf]
Quote from: MJonmindQuoteGemaIn the New Testament book of Revelations, it says:“They continued to ‘raise their fists at God, refuse to repent and sores were all over their bodies’ ”Revelations. Chapter 16: vs. 11What translation is that from? In 10 or so different main translations there is no reference to raising fists at God in that verse. Scroll down. <!-- m -->You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login<!-- m -->I am not sure if I did it right since I am not bible friendly <!-- s:) --><!-- s:) --> . I copied the interpretation from a blog. Anyway, here the text talking about raising their fist because they were angry:"They blasphemed the God of heaven… Again, those on earth respond in blaspheming God. The righteousness of God’s wrath demonstrated by its recipients, for the second time humanity shakes their fist toward heaven, and blasphemes God’s name"<!-- m -->You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login<!-- m -->
QuoteGemaIn the New Testament book of Revelations, it says:“They continued to ‘raise their fists at God, refuse to repent and sores were all over their bodies’ ”Revelations. Chapter 16: vs. 11What translation is that from? In 10 or so different main translations there is no reference to raising fists at God in that verse. Scroll down. <!-- m -->You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login<!-- m -->
GemaIn the New Testament book of Revelations, it says:“They continued to ‘raise their fists at God, refuse to repent and sores were all over their bodies’ ”Revelations. Chapter 16: vs. 11
QuoteSuspicious mindahh he just said thedoctor woke him upto tell him about diana . any thoughts?He said the same thing on the Barabara Walters interview. If he said it twice like that, I think he clearly means for us to take note. He could have simply said, that he woke up, not mentioning the doctor doing the waking. It certainly is a key hoax element, because the basic theme of the death hoax is that Dr. Murray put him to sleep with the propofol and he never woke up. IMO he is setting the trap. It sounds so innocently said, and probably no one noticed at the time, and only post 6/25/09 does it hold meaning. It goes nicely with Morphine and Smooth Criminal!And I believe MJ's been "innocently" dropping all kinds of clues over the years, like time-release capsuls. Rascal! <!-- smj_bad/ -->mj_bad/<!-- smj_bad/ -->
Hi all,I wasn't planning on posting to this tread because it's a moot point to me. I really believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is alive and that he will return!!!But as I was posting on another thread about a TV movie from 2010 "What Killed Michael Jackson?" I realized that what I was saying there could be put here as my reasons for not believing any murder theory. It seems that many statements made by individuals in that documentary movie simply confirmed my belief that this is all a hoax.If any would be interested here is the post.Re: "Michael Jackson History: The King of Pop 1958-2009"Post by onthewingsoflove » Thu Jun 30, 2011 11:12 pmHi all,Sorry it has taken me this long to get back to you regarding the second part of this movie that I posted here. As I was watching more of the second movie I began to realize that I did see this movie on TV. The name of it is "What Killed Micheal Jackson?" It was made in 2010. The description of the movie is: "This hard-hitting documentary traces the last months of the singer's life, examines the circumstances that led to his untimely passing, and explores the controversy and unanswered questions about a death that many say could have been prevented."You can see the movie for yourself, as it is on you tube in 7 parts! Here is the URL for the first part and then you can get to the other 6. <!-- m -->You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login<!-- m -->After watching this movie again I am certainly convinced that Michael is alive. It might just be me, but it seems that some of the statements made by some of the individuals confirms this. For instance the MJ Impersonator Navi said that he had been a decoy for Michael and that he had been invited to do the visuals for the "This Is It" concert but it didn't occur. Yea, right he may not have done the "concert" but he did the film because there is a particular scene of him in it. From the first time I saw it I have always said that particular person in the film was not Michael because he appeared to big and stocky in my eyes to be Michael. I tried to rationalize it away and say maybe it was just the angle of the camera, which was shot up from the floor that made him look bigger. But as I look at my DVD of "This Is It" again, and with this statement by Navi, I really believe that it's Navi in that portion of the film.Quincy Jones is in the movie with his comment of why he wasn't going to the funeral. He said he didn't want to go because he had buried 150 people in 2 years!!!! He wanted to remember him as he was. But he also said in the same clip that Michael was like a son to him. So I don't buy his reason for not going! Wouldn't you go to your son's funeral? Was he estranged from Michael or something? No he didn't go because he knows Michael is not dead!Another statement that confirms for me that MJ is alive is what the narrator of the movie said at one point and I quote, "The saga surrounding his demise is far from over. His dramatic exit left a lot of conspiracy theories." The saga? Hmmmmm. His dramatic exit? <!-- s:o --><!-- s:o --> I don't think I would call someone's unexpected death a saga! That speaks volumes to me!And of course the comment by both Mark Lester and Susan Etock (?) about the 99% that was written about Michael was untruth. She said "an ounce was truth and the rest was totally embellished." Yes it was Susan, for the hoax!Then there are lots of statements about the conflicting reports as to the true state of Michael's health leading up to the concerts. One individual said that Michael's weight at that time was correct for his height and that he was in the best of condition. This is not only conflicting with what others are saying in this movie but it also conflicts with the first autopsy report! <!-- s:lol: -->:lol:<!-- s:lol: -->The most interesting statements to me are what Michael himself said outside the courthouse after the verdicts of the last trial about Santa Maria where Neverland is. He said, "I love Santa Maria, I love the people of Santa Maria. This is why I moved there. I will always love Santa Maria. This is where my children were born." And mind you this is said after the raids were carried out there. I really think the statement that He never wanted to live there again was in a moment filled with hurt and anger, and not from his heart. But now it plays well as part of this hoax because a lot of people, because of that statement, refuse to believe that Michael could be at Neverland! I keep remembering the shadowy figures that looked like Michael in some of the tapings that were done at Neverland after his death. <!-- ssuspicious// -->suspicious//<!-- ssuspicious// --> Someone has posted on this site some recent pictures of Neverland from the air and the place looks just gorgeous, which supports what I said in another post way back that I felt in my spirit that Neverland would rise from the ashes! It has definitely done that! It is obvious from the pictures that someone is living there now, and it could very well be Michael! I'm not ruling out anything!Another statement in the movie is "Michael Jackson's life has been about selling things. In his life and in his death it will still be about show business!" And then they mention the "This Is It" film. Well helloooo, Michael is selling this hoax!Now the final statement that confirms for me that Michael is alive is the very last thing said in the movie. Navi says, "In the world of MJ I have gone beyond expecting. I'll just wait to see what happens!" Along with the rest of us! <!-- slolol/ -->lolol/<!-- slolol/ --> Thank you Navi! Go to YouTube and watch the movie and draw your own conclusions!Blessings to you all!OnTheWingsOfLove!
Quote from: MJonmindQuoteSuspicious mindahh he just said thedoctor woke him upto tell him about diana . any thoughts?He said the same thing on the Barabara Walters interview. If he said it twice like that, I think he clearly means for us to take note. He could have simply said, that he woke up, not mentioning the doctor doing the waking. It certainly is a key hoax element, because the basic theme of the death hoax is that Dr. Murray put him to sleep with the propofol and he never woke up. IMO he is setting the trap. It sounds so innocently said, and probably no one noticed at the time, and only post 6/25/09 does it hold meaning. It goes nicely with Morphine and Smooth Criminal!And I believe MJ's been "innocently" dropping all kinds of clues over the years, like time-release capsuls. Rascal! <!-- smj_bad/ -->mj_bad/<!-- smj_bad/ -->Hello Mjonmind!!!!![/size]Thank you very much ,I do remember also when Michael told Barbara Walters about A DOCTOR WAKE HIM UP to tell him that Diana had died.Intresting ,hmmmmm <!-- s:? -->:?<!-- s:? --> .Here is the interview in which Michael told Barbara about him and Diana:MICHAEL JACKSON - on Barbara Walters Interview Full 1997 HQ[BBvideo 425,350:26qvlsya]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-mXsCIoVyw[/BBvideo:26qvlsya]Now what I remember is that when I first saw this intervew with Michael I said to myself,something is not right,Michael looks different and talks different.Let's be clear that I don't say this is not Michael,yes IT IS Michael.YES IT IS indeed.Of course he is,in fact we saw him in many places during 1997.He was the one in Munich ,remember the "BUG THING"? HIStory Tour, Munich: The Bug[BBvideo 425,350:26qvlsya]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fng9N5OBg6s[/BBvideo:26qvlsya][b]Also remember when he was at princess Diana memorial service on 14 september in Los Angeles ,during History tour ? <!-- s:shock: -->:shock:<!-- s:shock: --> You know It's a pitty I lost the video,but I have some intersting photos to show you:[/b][attachment=2:26qvlsya]<!-- ia2 -->IWLgW.jpg<!-- ia2 -->[/attachment:26qvlsya][attachment=1:26qvlsya]<!-- ia1 -->iFnW8.jpg<!-- ia1 -->[/attachment:26qvlsya][attachment=0:26qvlsya]<!-- ia0 -->rtqO8.jpg<!-- ia0 -->[/attachment:26qvlsya]What all this have in common may I ask???The DAM necklace,that's what it is.Thank you Paris!!!!!It's all for LOVE!!!!!
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It makes more sense to me that the shadowy figure influencing AEG and the Jacksons was in fact MJ himself. If I'm wrong then I'll hold my hands up but instinct and common sense haven't failed me yet.
Very good post, trustno1. The family has always been the main reason why I cannot rule out the hoax. I've gone back and forth and I always try to keep the idea that MJ could've died but it still doesn't make any sense to me. If he did die then...1. Why was there only ONE picture of him dead? Sounds morbid but this picture would be a paparazzi's dream. And the person who happened to be there and taken the big money shot was someone that MJ was okay with it. I won't even say they were friends because I don't know that but they had to be okay with each other to take photos together. 2. Why did TMZ post that he died before the official time? Did someone tell the tabloid that he died awhile ago like LaToya implied recently in an interview? And why would that person call TMZ and say that? Wouldn't that set themselves up if they indeed murdered him? 3. Why did the 911 dispatcher hang up the phone once the person on the phone said they was a doctor there? Wouldn't that dispatcher want to speak with the doctor to find out what's going on?4. Why did Michael looked so much younger in the ambulance photo? 5. How could Janet and LaToya come into the house and take things away from the scene of the crime? Wouldn't the house be roped off by investigators? 6. Would it even be possible for all of his staff to be fired the day of his death or the day after? Wouldn't that be highly suspicious to investigators and law enforcement? 7. False information in the will and the autopsy report... this wouldn't ring any bells for anyone to question? Hello, media! This one is for you.8. Why was Michael's body in a white sheet and not in the official body bag? What would be the purpose?9. Why didn't an official like a doctor or police announce his death? Why did his brother do that?10. Speaking of doctor, why wasn't there an official representative at UCLA ever make a statement? Is the printed one enough? And why has no one, that I know of, from UCLA, make any remarks about what happened that day? Were they even questioned at the preliminaries? 11. Why did the funeral have a stage light? Why was the background of the funeral different depending upon the scene? Also, why did it simply look so damn fake? 12. Why did Dave Dave look different in the Larry King Live interview? (Nose, shape of head, etc.)13. In the movie This Is It, what are the odds that Michael plays a character that fakes his death and the actor and him have the same birthday?14. Also, why was that last "BAM" scene even put in the movie? 15. Why was there a laugh added at the end of his signature MJJ Productions? 16. Why are there so many conflicting stories from the family? 17. Why did Jermaine say this is it, this is not really it? (or something like that in the LKL interview)18. Why did Janet keep smiling during her first interview after MJ's death? It seems like an odd habit to have, especially since she wasn't like that when the Superbowl fiasco happened which was a much less situation compared to a brother being murdered. 19. Why is Teddy Riley saying he is alive?20. Why hasn't anyone in the family (esp. Randy) say something directly to HIM about this claim?21. Why were his dancers ushers at the funeral? Why were they smiling happily in that one photo? Why wouldn't they be allowed to grieve alongside his family and friends?I think these are enough questions for now.