TS's identity and... Sony

[Puff]

@bec Who said that MJ planned this hoax for 25 years? That's assuming again... We don't know what happened in Michael Jackson's life, nobody here has the truth, we can just speculate. OUR theories could be wrong, who knows?
This hoax began before TS, right, but without him it wouldn't last so long. Look at the today redirect, it's not time yet to give an explanation? It's about a week of chaos and that is the only thing he could say? Sorry, but I personally don't buy it.
If this hoax has a message to spread, I don't think it could go on without the hoax believers.
And for the trolling part..This is not trolling, we know very well that this is  a hoax death website, but how many people are here to make up their minds? That is what we are doing, I'm sorry if those kind of comments are annoying you, but there is freedom of speech here and we should respect each other opinions.

[GINAFELICIA]

1. Uranus it's obvious you changed your identity to post this and you've been here under another username before. I don't understand why you can't expres an opinion without taking a new identity. We are grown-ups I suppose.
Please don't mind that I speak like this, but it is not fair to the others ...

2. Why on earth would Sony be interested of promoting the idea of Michael being alive for a bunch of believers that DON'T COUNT is the sales figures?

In this great adventure MJ and Sony and TS and TMZ are playing in the same team - JMO.

[GINAFELICIA]

anyway, I think TS is Michael and I think he also posts here under another username..... for a good cause of course

And if I'm wrong - so be it.

Love you Michael

[Uranus]

"Situation, speculation, everybody litigation".
Reminds you of something or someone? Anyway...

Firstly, my username is Uranus. Uranus was the father of the Titans in the ancient greek mythology. Uranus is also one of the nine planets of our solar system and as a word means "sky" in greek. Has anybody problem with the fact that I love the sky? If yes, I don't care.

It is obvious that people write posts while they have read the main article and a couple of other posts. Thus, we end up with posts like "you are a hater, you pretend to be the one who will enlighten us, you changed your username etc etc". Have you considered how ridiculus would those comments be if this was not the case? This is not the case as I have replied with my many posts, but I cannot prove it. However, I don't have to do so. Posts are written in order to share opinions and knowledge. This means that people should judge the words of the poster and not the poster himself. When people attack the poster intead of answering to the posts with their opinions, this strongly suggests a lack of arguments on their account.

I thank all those people who stick to the conversation and try to keep a balance between what is real and what is an assumption or a speculation.

L.O.V.E.

[GINAFELICIA]

if this is the case as you say - my apologies.
We can't prove you were here before under another username and you can't prove this is your only identity here, so this leads to nothing.
What do you say about my second question?
Why would Sony put so much resources in making a few people believe Michael is alive?

[*Mo*]

Oh and by the way, NO it's NOT an investigator's website... it's a DEATH HOAX investigators website. Look, I didn't name it, I just read the top of the page.

MJDHI is introduced on the index as:

The site is an investigation site, that is it's purpose. Although Michael Jackson is loved here, and we feel aggrieved at the way much of his life has been scrutinized by those other than the people here, this was never set up as a fan based site, but one in which people are invited to forensically examine the obviously strange and discordant events of June 25th and beyond.

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[Grace]

Their slogan at Sony officially is:

MAKE.BELIEVE
Believe that anything you can imagine, you can make real.

Do you think they care who believes what if obtained turnover is adjusting to their planned figures in the end?

Barnum's theories were not only used by Michael but by many PR specialists and psychologists. An example: what was a Tamagotchi good for? It was about playing "as if" you had a pet that you could not have in real life. In the end it was some ounces of plastic with a chip, a small mainboard and a battery inside. A Tamagotchi was able to control people's life just by making a noise. Isn't that really, really ridiculous? Nevertheless, more than 70,000,000 Tamagotchis were sold to date. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

It does not matter what you believe or don't believe when purchasing music and supporting electronic devices e.g. Sony does not put extremely high energy in delivering clues to us to keep us "in line" within the hoax. It is us who decide to draw certain conclusions based on our pre-dispositions and previous conclusions.
The vaste majority of folks on the planet think - being in touch with exact the same (initial) information as us - that Michael Joseph Jackson died of cardiac arrest due to Propofol overdose.
At some point we decided to question sources, filter information and prefer several information channels vs. others. That does not make Sony or anybody else to be held accountable for this choice and for what we believe. Not even Michael is responsible for our beliefs and conclusions.
What Sony do is create fog and confusion for all alike - hoaxers or non-hoaxers as we have seen with the whoopla about the new album. That's all and it is a very clever overall PR strategy. Businesswise, hoaxers are not important at all and do not get a specific treatment.
Hoaxwise, they get A LOT of attention and goodies. But they don't come from Sony source IMO.

L.O.V.E.

[PureLove]

So whatever. I'm having a good time with this hoax and TS helps break up the down time. And it irritates me that haters perpetually feel the need to come here and troll the forum and try to stop me from having a good time. Like I'm some blind moron who lives in fantasy land and needs to be enlightened. 17 months of this crap and I grow weary. For the 456459745th time, non-believers should get an escort to the door.

I smell some seriously shady shit going on with this topic. All things considered, the usernames and the affiliations. Somethings up with this. I don't know what but something isn't right.

Oh and by the way, NO it's NOT an investigator's website... it's a DEATH HOAX investigators website. Look, I didn't name it, I just read the top of the page.

I applaud you so high Bec!!! This is exactly what I felt!!! We have had many non-believers on this forum who came here to create a mess btw the believers. I'm not saying Uranus is a non-believer, he can be or not BUT as I wrote before the timing of him making his first post was too obvious about his purpose. But this is my opinion for sure.

First of, if there're people here who are still not sure about MJ being alive or dead, we have a section for the beginners. I can offer you to take a look at that section first, especially before you jump to a conclusion and start to accuse people.

And I believe that we shouldn't spend more time on confused people because whatever we say, it is not going to satisfy their needs. It's more like they're expecting to be convinced that MJ is gone. And I can not believe how easily some forgot all of the things we have found till today. Did someone erase their minds? I don't know what happened to them really? And I can not say that I want to know lol

[PureLove]

Uranus (that's one heck of a username) I think the reason others are reacting negatively to your posts is simply down to timing and while I can absolutely get where you're coming from that TS could simply be stringing people along, providing "clues", waiting for people to interpret them and then picking one to redirect to, thus making it up as he goes along, that would imply he's either messing with us for personal pleasure or for sinister reasons.  You seem convinced that being affiliated with Sony means sinister intentions, whereas many of us simply don't see what Sony has to gain by messing with a few thousand hoaxers.  When I said the reaction from some to you is down to timing I meant that you just joined, having obviously read and formed opinions on the reactions to TS for quite a while, waiting till the questions surrounding his authenticity were raised and then diving in with grim warnings.  Now not everyone here believes in TS and that's fine but why wait till all the commotion started to state this strong opinion, you've obviously had doubts about his intentions for a while.  The fact that you seem so fixated on this and seem reluctant to discuss the bigger picture as to why it would be such a bad thing for him to be affiliated with Sony or other matters connected to the hoax raises red flags for many.  The warnings you've given about not blindly following him have been stated by many of us here, and I doubt anyone is 100% sure who he is.  Therefore many of us keep our objective hat on and decide how relevant each "clue" is/might be.  This thing between you and some others is just going round in circles, either you believe TS is genuine or not, if you don't you don't  have to read the redirects or the interpretations, nor worry that we're all being brainwashed by the "cult of TS/Sony".  Sure every adventure is more thrilling when there's a shadowy bad guy pretending to be one of the good guys, but until TS starts using any influence he has in a negative way in my book he's still one of the good guys.

I can NOT say it any better!!! If my english was better, I would love to make a post like this. And if my feelings for the OP's time of posting allowed me to do too of course.  But I 100000000% agree with you trustno1!!! Very well said.

[PureLove]

@bec Who said that MJ planned this hoax for 25 years? That's assuming again... We don't know what happened in Michael Jackson's life, nobody here has the truth, we can just speculate. OUR theories could be wrong, who knows?

Puff you asked Bec, but I wanted to add something. Did you start to believe in coincidences in this hoax? Because if you did so, nothing I will say can convince you the opposite. I only want to share this picture with you. But of course it means nothing if you believe that there're coincidences in this hoax and to me all clues can be just coincidences if you start to get them as coincidences.

History tour began in 1996 and Michael used this Spaceship 2040 which exactly points to his "death" date. And it makes 16 years from now. So even only this one shows that he was planning the hoax for a long long time ago.

This hoax began before TS, right, but without him it wouldn't last so long. Look at the today redirect, it's not time yet to give an explanation? It's about a week of chaos and that is the only thing he could say? Sorry, but I personally don't buy it.

I have to disagree with you. Like you said, the hoax began before TS and even if TS was not here, we would have been searching for the clues etc. We haven't found the clues with the help of TS only, right? He helped us a lot, a LOT but we were here before he came and we would be still here if he wasn't. Any of us are only making the research on this forum and on this TS section. We're all over the internet, at the locations. So pls get rid of the idea of TS spoonfeeds us. Because he doesn't and that is the reason why he doesn't make updates when we NEED to. There's time for everything and patience is the key.

[trustno1]

I can NOT say it any better!!! If my english was better, I would love to make a post like this. And if my feelings for the OP's time of posting allowed me to do too of course. But I 100000000% agree with you trustno1!!! Very well said.

Thank You PureLove (and your English is fantastic, if you hadn't said that I would have thought it was your first language!). L.O.V.E to you.

[*Mo*]

History tour began in 1996 and Michael used this Spaceship 2040 which exactly points to his "death" date.

So do these dates in 2009:
12/19/2009
11/20/2009
10/21/2009
09/22/2009
08/23/2009
07/24/2009
05/26/2009
04/27/2009
03/28/2009
01/30/2009

Also, those who read up on numerology know it doesn't work like 6+25+2009=2040.  It should be 6+2+5+2+0+0+9=24 -> 2+4=6.

[Puff]

There's time for everything and patience is the key.

I don't agree... Coherence/Responsibility should be the key...

[trustno1]

Does anyone think for a second that if TS suddenly announced he was sick of all the speculation about his intentions and said "OK my real name is..." (insert any name from Marlon to Bubbles), that anyone would believe him anyway? No.  Because we'd all need a lot more than just a name or a reassurance.  Puff you want him to be coherent and responsible, that means answering all the recent questions and dancing to our tune.  Ain't gonna happen.  The way he's posted throughout this isn't going to change just because people are getting bored with the intrigue and have decided there are questionable motives. There have always been those who've suspected his intentions and there always will be, I don't think calling him out is going to work.  Again it's a matter of thinking for ourselves and choosing whether or not to pay him any attention.  Or rather deciding what parts of his posts to pay attention to.

[Andrea]

Does anyone think for a second that if TS suddenly announced he was sick of all the speculation about his intentions and said "OK my real name is..." (insert any name from Marlon to Bubbles), that anyone would believe him anyway? No.  Because we'd all need a lot more than just a name or a reassurance.  Puff you want him to be coherent and responsible, that means answering all the recent questions and dancing to our tune.  Ain't gonna happen.  The way he's posted throughout this isn't going to change just because people are getting bored with the intrigue and have decided there are questionable motives. There have always been those who've suspected his intentions and there always will be, I don't think calling him out is going to work.  Again it's a matter of thinking for ourselves and choosing whether or not to pay him any attention.  Or rather deciding what parts of his posts to pay attention to.

I agree. Calling TS out seems counter productive.  I am certainly not bored with the intrigue, it fits right in with the whole mystery of the hoax because when it comes down to it, we don't know anything for sure.  The only thing that I know for sure is my belief that Michael is alive and is watching, planning and waiting.