Mafia

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^ Is the DA still Tom Sneddon? :roll:

[Raven]

Then if MJ stated these things to Latoya THEY? Who was MJ referring to? I wonder did he ever state who THEY were to LAtoya? Mafia? IDK this is quite interesting never the less don't know if we will know the truth. All I know is like you said if foul play is expected then you are right LAPD should have sealed the scene initially , but we know they did not. This action is bringing me to the conclusion that somehow LAPD is connected, no doubt. Has to be! But as Mo previously stated I dont believe that MJ was in financial stress as the media keeps letting on! But then again if the MAFIA were the ones indeed responsible It has got to be money involved some type of way, drugs , money aren't they usually the reasons this crime ring goes after someone?  I mean if it was the mafia how would they Benefit from murdering MJ? Hmmmmm we have JOe, Latoya, and Janet screaming foul play. even mamma Katherine saying something aint right so I am still trying to make the connection what do ya think. I will list key players (if murder)
A) Tommy Mottolla
B) Thome
C) AEG
D)LAPD
** Remember we here about dishonesty in the police forces all the time right?  DID LAPD want MJ dead? :cry:
I am still with the theory of Hoax or Murder because there is no way this case should drag out as long as it has if there is clearly only one person under investigation right.?
I MEAN SERIOUSLY HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY TO MAKE A DECISION WEATHER TO PROSECUTE? :evil:

Like the family said, most likely several people were behind it

[*Mo*]

^ Is the DA still Tom Sneddon? :roll:

No, he resigned in 2007.

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^ Is the DA still Tom Sneddon? :roll:

No, he resigned in 2007.

Good. I never really understood the gravity of the part he played in making Michael's life miserable intil I read Aphrodite's book. Yeah I really have a deep *sigh* disgust for "D.S."

Would any of us be surprised if Sneddon continued to make Michael's life miserable outside of the child abuse accusations?

[GirlSaturday]

Would any of us be surprised if Sneddon continued to make Michael's life miserable outside of the child abuse accusations?

No...not at all.
For some people, it is not enough for them to knock a person down. They are not satisfied until they can keep that person down.

[imabeliever2]

What bothers me about the possible mafia involvement is that he was telling people that "they're trying to kill me"  I suppose the question is who was they and why did Michael have such a fear of these people. He said they, so it was obviously more than one that he feared.

A few of us here have been researching this topic.  Looking into Michael and his connections with the Mottola's, Tohme etc.  Under (Conrad Murray Did not kill Michael Jackson) We found some interesting things that is worth looking into.  It would be great to see what others think.

I believe there is a possibility that Murray was the fall guy.  Maybe thats why nothing has happened to him yet.

[*Mo*]

Would any of us be surprised if Sneddon continued to make Michael's life miserable outside of the child abuse accusations?

No...not at all.
For some people, it is not enough for them to knock a person down. They are not satisfied until they can keep that person down.

I hear you GirlSaturday...

[DancingTheDream]

What bothers me about the possible mafia involvement is that he was telling people that "they're trying to kill me"  I suppose the question is who was they and why did Michael have such a fear of these people. He said they, so it was obviously more than one that he feared.

A few of us here have been researching this topic.  Looking into Michael and his connections with the Mottola's, Tohme etc.  Under (Conrad Murray Did not kill Michael Jackson) We found some interesting things that is worth looking into.  It would be great to see what others think.

I believe there is a possibility that Murray was the fall guy.  Maybe thats why nothing has happened to him yet.

The Malnicks also have connections here too..  with Mottola and the Mafia.

Al Malnik is doing some serious spinning in the world press right now in regard to Michael Jackson.

He's been quoted in several publications about regarding his "friendship" with Jackson, saying that he's godfather to the pop king's youngest son, Blanket, and that, last Malnik knew, he was executor of his estate. Yesterday, Malnik's wife, Nancy, executed a photo dump on her Facebook page as a tribute to the late star. The photos show Malnik and his family with Jackson in 2003.  

Here's how the Daily Mail characterized Malnik's relationship with Jackson in its story regarding the new photographs:

    In pictures taken from the same party, Jackson and his children are allegedly pictured with the children of close friends Al and Nancy Malnik.The 76-year-old American millionaire has triplets Jarod, Spencer and Nathan, who are now 11. Mr Malnik had been friends with the singer for more than ten years and the singer stayed with him at the height of the child abuse scandals. Jackson is godfather to Spencer, who is understood to be featured in the pictures sitting on the steps of Mr Malnik's Miami mansion with Paris.  

This is laughable. The two men were indeed friends at one time, but there's a reason the photographs date all the way back to 2003. The two men had a falling out after Jackson began to believe that Malnik, who has known Mafia ties and was once a close associate of Meyer Lansky, was trying to wrangle Jackson's rights to half the Beatles catalog of songs from him, rights that are worth an estimated half billion dollars.

The source of this information is Gordon Novel, a character of intrigue himself from the Kennedy assassination, Watergate, and Waco. Novel worked in the Lyndon Johnson administration and spent years working as an investigator for former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark. Vanity Fair's Maureen Orth first reported that Novel had met with Jackson in 2005 in an attempt to get the investigator to find proof that Malnik was part of a conspiracy involving Sony's Tommy Mottola and film director Brett Ratner, a Malnik protoge, to take over his assets.

"According to Novel, Jackson said he was lured to Malnik's house in Miami Beach by film director Brett Ratner to see a house so beautiful it would make him catatonic," Orth wrote. "He said that once he was there, however, Malnik, who Jackson claimed had Mafia ties, wanted to put his fingers in the singer's business. Jackson also said he received a call from Tommy Mottola while he was there, which aroused his suspicion..."

I contacted Novel over the weekend, and he confirmed meeting with Jackson at Neverland Valley during the time of the 2005 trial. He told me that he was originally contacted by Jackson's brother Jermaine and that Michael and the family wanted Novel to gather proof of the Malnik/Mottola conspiracy and further find evidence that Mottola was behind the criminal child molestation charges. The ultimate goal was to blow the trial out of the water so Jackson wouldn't have to face prison time.

Novel said he flew in March 2005, about a month into Jackson's trial, from his home in New Orleans to the Los Angeles home owned by Jackson's parents, where he stayed several days before Jackson finally had him over to Neverland Valley. He said the two of them met in a bungalow on the property before Jackson drove him around the ranch in an old pickup truck.

"The whole thing centered on Tommy Mottola setting him up," Novel told me. "Mottola and him were at odds, and Jackson's information was that Mottola and Malnik got together to fuck him. He said he believed Malnik was representing the Mob."

He said Jackson had special loathing for Malnik because he felt betrayed by him. When I told him that Malnik was saying that Jackson had made him executor of his estate, he was dubious.

"He had split up with Malnik," said Novel. "He never said anything about Malnik being executor of his will. And based on how pissed off Jackson was at him at the time, I wouldn't believe it on a bet."

When asked what Jackson was like at the meeting, Novel didn't hesitate: "He was afraid, very very afraid. He didn't want to go to jail and didn't think he would be treated very well there."

Was he fearful that he would be killed in prison?

"Yeah, you can say that," Novel said.

But he also said that Jackson's mental state was "excellent" and that the pop star was lucid and extremely intelligent. He didn't believe Jackson was on any drugs during the meeting.

I asked Novel if he believed Jackson's theory about the conspiracy against him. He said that he thought Jackson was not guilty of the criminal charges and that he was probably set up, but he had no idea if Mottola was involved.

"He thought that Mottola was Mob-connected and that Malnik was representing the Mob, but I can't vouch for any of that shit," Novel said. "I don't have anything against Tommy Mottola and don't know if what he thought was true or not. I don't want to get on Mottola's bad side. My sources in New York say he's a dangerous guy."  

Novel never conducted an investigation and said that, in the end, Jackson "deadbeated" him. He said that when he got to the airport to fly home, there was no ticket as promised by Jackson. He said that he contacted Jermaine and that the family paid for his flight. He said Jackson still owes him $25,000 for his consultation at Neverland. (Orth reported in Vanity Fair that Jackson apparently took a lot of Novel's advice, but at that time, Novel claimed Jackson owed him just $5,000.)

"He was a tremendously talented deadbeat," Novel said. "Michael Jackson would deadbeat King Kong."

It's clear that whether Malnik had any ulterior motives in befriending Jackson, the pop star ended up believing he was an enemy out to get his Beatles songs. We'll have to wait and see if the world media continues to eat out of Malnik's hand or if it actually reports the truth about the relationship and its bitter end.

Nancy Malnick is currently leaking photos of MJs children... why??  To continue the threat?  This has made me wonder a lot..   i have been pondering over those pictures of the kids and now i find this.

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But then again if the MAFIA were the ones indeed responsible It has got to be money involved some type of way, drugs , money aren't they usually the reasons this crime ring goes after someone?  I mean if it was the mafia how would they Benefit from murdering MJ?  

I´ve been wondering that, too.
But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses. Who are, for example, running his productioncompanies ? Who are the boardmembers?

It could be worth looking in to.

[Raven]

The problem with all this is that MJ's connections and business relations were numerous, it's almost impossible to map the complete picture. Especially on fora, there are many threads that do some research but they largely overlap, there is no unity. Then at some point, some fora cease to exist and all the found data is lost again.

[*Mo*]

But then again if the MAFIA were the ones indeed responsible It has got to be money involved some type of way, drugs , money aren't they usually the reasons this crime ring goes after someone?  I mean if it was the mafia how would they Benefit from murdering MJ?  

I´ve been wondering that, too.
But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses. Who are, for example, running his productioncompanies ? Who are the boardmembers?

It could be worth looking in to.

Gone too soon, please explain.  On page 1 of the thread you said in reply to mjboogie:

And how do we know MJ signed all of his financial assets over to the mafia? Would he even do such a thing? :?

I know people who used to work in Las Vegas, one of them knows the guy who actually signed the deal with Michael. My contact did not want to give me a name. Understandable. I promise you, it IS true. No anonymous internet-rumours but actually the real deal.

Now you say:

But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses.

First you say Mike did sign a contract with the mob (quote: "I promise you, it IS true") and now you're wondering if the mob is indeed in charge of Mike's finances.  You are contradicting yourself.

Also, I'd very much like you to read my reply to your post regarding "Mike suddenly owing "the shady guys" quite a lot of money because of the 'disappointing sales' of Invincible" (Invincible has sold over 13 million copies so I would not call that disappointing sales anyway).  I'm interested in your thoughts on that.

[Raven]

There's another mentioning of intimidation concerning Michael's assets, made by Joe. Joe mentions a lawyer that worked for Michael, David LeGrand, who had checked out everybody that worked for Michael and found out that most were cheating on him, but LeGrand was afraid to do anything about it because he feared 'they' would do something terrible to him:

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[*Mo*]

I'm familiar with that interview, and a lot of things said there are very disturbing.

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[quote author="*Mo
I know people who used to work in Las Vegas, one of them knows the guy who actually signed the deal with Michael. My contact did not want to give me a name. Understandable. I promise you, it IS true. No anonymous internet-rumours but actually the real deal.[/quote]

Now you say:

[quote="Gone too soon"]But if they were indeed in charge of Michael´s finances, they are probably deeply involved in his businesses.[/quote]

First you say Mike did sign a contract with the mob (quote: "I promise you, it IS true") and now you're wondering if the mob is indeed in charge of Mike's finances.  You are contradicting yourself.

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No, I am not contradicting myself and I could give you a lengthy explanation to why I trust my sources 100%. Which wouldn´t make any difference to you as I might as well be making it all up. Also, I can´t give any names because these people prefer to be anonymous, I was just trying to put it in a more subtle way because I felt your negativity in a previous post.

The fact is we cannot trust any information we get: not from media, not from MJ:s family and friends, not from people in different forums telling us they met someone who told them....and so on. So there is NO way anyone can come on here with solid proof. All we can do is share information, discuss it and see where it takes us. Probably round in circles  

If you want to believe I am making it up, then fine. It´s really not a big deal for me. I am not a Michael Jackson-fan, I am not even half as read up on things as you guys are.  I  just happened to meet people who worked with MJ:s associates (and will be meeting them again soon), so I thought that what I learned could be of some help.

Anyway, I am not in here to argue or to mark words. Just wanted to share.
Thanks, I´ll be off to more important things.

[mjboogie]

Yes highly disturbing interview with Joe. I for one am just about convinced from our ongoing discussion in this thread that now more than ever MJ definitley could have been murdered. We now understand based on what the lawyer reported in 2005 that many people were around MJ that were swindling him out of his money. And I am referring to those who had access to his finances Thome being one of them. It is soooo sad how people took advantage of MJ u know? :cry:  I truly dont believe JOe would be making this up also it felt as if Joe was shut out of that part of MJ life. Because Joe states that if he was around Michael that he would more than likely still be here.
The problem I have with this is MJ stating they, of course meaning more than one. So IF he was murdered I am trying to find out exactly what the hell the motives would be, with MUrray being the fall guy who would Murray be connected with? I mean the only connection I can make with Murray would be AEG right?  Making the connection will help us figure it out! I am convinced that MJ was not merley killed by overdose it is soooo much deeper.
We have to look at things like ok did MJ owe some type of debt?
Did MJ renig on some type of big deal?
Because the thing is if he was killed then how would his killers benefit from his death being that now his finances are in the hands of his estate administrators. ANd no I am not including Branca and Mcclain in his list of enemies.
and I will tell you all something else I find it HIghly disturbing for Jermaine and Thome to be connected to each other. Jermaine introducing MJ to THome in the first place sends a red flag. AND not to mention Thome handing over MJ's money after his death? Why would he do this? He is shady right? SO why hand it over?  :cry: Seriously forget a drug overdose by a doc this is much deeper than we think, I guess that is the reason we are here. To find out the truth. Problem is when it comes to the mafia it is nearly impossible. OK last thing, do you think I am off my rocker here? OR do you think with all the info on this particular thread that it could indeed still tye into this all being a hoax?