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« on: July 05, 2010, 08:43:37 AM »
Can anybody explain me where are the 7 - 7 - 09 on the Dangerous cover? I've found the 09 on the elephant head, but nothing more for now....thank you 
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« on: July 02, 2010, 03:03:36 PM »
That doesn't explain the wrong name on the DC, the fact that Murray is ssztill walking free, the lack of emotions, the BS autopsy report (if he would really have died, I am sure he wanted the real autopsy to be leaked, so medicals could figure out the cause of death), the revocation of the will on January 28 (we haven't heard anything about that after that) the fact that the life insurance wasn't paid out, etc. etc.
I know where you're coming from, I have thought this one time months and months ago, but then I realized that's not a possibility.
Yes yes I agree and that's why i have hope about the whole thing! Especially about the insurance....
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« on: July 02, 2010, 02:12:41 PM »
For example on the MJHDI YouTube video page {see last link above}, there was an answer to this question: “F2. Are we to believe that MJ’s own family is ignorant of his role in the Liberian Girl video? And if not, then why did they allow Liberian Girl pictures to dominate both the memorial and the burial? Would they be so cruel, as to send fans the message that he is hiding behind the camera and running The Show—if in reality MJ was actually dead???”
Here is the answer: “Liberian Girl picture was beautiful that’s why they used it ...”; at least this is a genuine attempt at answering! It’s a thousand times better than mere ridicule—which is what almost everyone resorts to, when they can’t deal with the evidence. However, it still leaves 20 out of 21 questions unanswered. Furthermore, this answer infers that all other MJ pictures are NOT “beautiful”—so in order to have beautiful pictures, they were stuck PRIMARILY using Liberian Girl pictures!?!
I might have another answer for this, I like to believe in the death hoax but I also have big doubts like this one. It is very likely that Michael had thought already of his death, that can catch anybody suddenly. In fact, he wrote his willing in the past, that shows he thought about it. I think he might have left some instructions in case of death, maybe long time ago; He might have said, if one day it will happen to me to die, I would like you to do this, and this..... He obviously knew about Elvis roumors that actually feeds his legend still nowdays, and he could have thought to leave his legend to live longer and longer leaving a kind of mystery on it....this would explain why to use the Laberian girls pictures or some other mysterious stuffs happened after. Or we can even be more evil and think the family and the managers did it on purpose for marketing goals...the more we have doubts, the more we talk about it, the more he's remebered and he sells... I really hope I'm wrong, but that would explain everything almost...
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« on: July 02, 2010, 05:28:41 AM »
Wonderful wonderful video, thanks! What a genius
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« on: July 02, 2010, 02:49:16 AM »
We may state again it is all a matter of standpoint, angle and horizon.
Meaning where we are, where we look, how far we look.
The variety of standpoints, angles and horizons are precious and very special on this forum.
This is global strive for knowledge worth a standing ovation.
Let's not forget that the U.S. were formed by strangers coming from Europe to that continent with a lot of different histories, cultures, expectations, perceptions and that entering the wild and building from scratch was only feasible for the strongest. (Does not mean any value in either direction, don't get me wrong here.)
The U.S. have a relativley short history (not taking into account the history of native Americans which has been neglected by the migrant Americans for many reasons). What was built into the U.S. history as we know it today was originating from different roots in Europe and Africa.
The Enlightenment is a phase in Europe's history that took place as a reaction to dictatorship and emprisonment of thought and speech. This was the prerequisite to modern Europe and modern U.S. as we know it today. The Age of Enlightenment started in 1600 and ended around the French revolution of 1789 and the beginning of the Napoleon wars.
Freemasonry was a form of organizing the educated and important persons (important to the functioning of a society in terms of professions and roles in division of labour). Freemasonry was about liberty, fraternity, and equality (which were not common these days, thus a goal).
What the U.S. may have made out of the imported ideas of Enlightenment and Freemasonry is nothing that I can overview. Per se, Enlightenment and Freemasonry are essential steps within the European history without whom Europe and the U.S. would not have developped the idea of freedom in its today existing connotation. If you dig deeper into that age, Enlightenment and Freemasonry were necessary to bring values such as human rights and information distribution to all persons into life.
I cannot judge what has been made of the origins and how the good of it may have been abused on the way to today's reality.
Original European, African and Asian fairy tales, too, do have nothing in common with Disney movies. Maybe we should go back to the roots to get a clearer view.
In Europe in the understanding of what it was about at the time, neither Enlightenment nor Freemasonry are having a negative taste and many sources on Freemasonry are available to the public.
Btw, today Rotary and Lion's Club are not very far from the original ideas of Freemasonry.
Read on the origins of Enlightenment / Freemasonry:
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Register or Login Totally with you. I also agree with the Lion's being similar, but not negative. My cousin is president of a very important part of Lion's italian club and I've been very close to them in the past. It works a bit like a sect, somebody part of it has to introduce you (otherwise you cannot access) and you also have to be accepted. In the reality, it's very difficult to be integrated if you don't come from their background (very high level society). I personally tried for a bit but never felt part of their group, nor wanted to be really. But they work very much for the community, they do lot of charity events and there is nothing of secret or negative in it. Now of course, there must be lot of powerful groups that dictate their rules everywhere . But I cannot see the connection with Freemasonery and esotherism in whatsoever way.
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« on: July 01, 2010, 04:13:51 PM »
Hopefully he shouldn't be inside the coffin...but in any case I hope it will go to Neverland one day
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« on: July 01, 2010, 10:54:30 AM »
No, I will not change my mind, no matter how hard you try.
I'm even more convinced of the illuminati and their agenda by the recent events world wide. If you think it's all crap then feel free to do so, but don't come knocking on my door later on when you realize it was all out there for you to see and you chose to ridicule it.
Ok, this shows that you're convinced. I don't want to upset you, I really think this site is very well done, and if you're right, good for you and the whole thing.
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« on: July 01, 2010, 09:27:03 AM »
Francyna, this 'crap theory' is based on intensive research. I'd appreciate it if you do some research yourself first before talking about a ridiculous theory.
Buy Mo, believe me, I've read enough about the Illuminati and I cannot think about a secret society. I do think that powerfull people have evil plans, I do believe that, I told you, but please, a secret society whose symbol is Satan, the eye, the pyramid, which comes from the aliens and who want to put cheaps in our heads....how can you believe that??
May I suggest you read Mike lyrics again, and pay some attention to the symbolism he has used for years and years in his videos..? You can find it all in his own words.
Like what, thay don't care about us? does he say Illuminati or secret society? Cause if he does, I've missed it. He just talks about the fact that the powerfull people of this planet don't care about poor and innocent people and just think about his own purposes, and money....which is something we all know and Michael cared about a lot. I don't see the reference....if you are talking about the eye on the wall, it's very irrelevant to me.
The illuminati STILL exists, until this very day. Again - do some research first before you tell people to "get real" please.
I already ansewered.
Then I guess you missed the February 14, 2010 article published by People Magazine Daily:
Just one thing: what is your source, the PEOPLE MAGAZINE DAILY??? Sorry, you use a tabloid as a source but on the mean time, you think historians and experts , saying the Illuminati is crap, THEY are saying lot of BS....to me sound a bit strange,sorry...
And who run the multinationals..? Who runs politics..? Again, please do some research...
YEs of course, THEY are among us and we don't see them....all the big politics and the multinationals are run by them...with the only goal to control our mind and celebrate satan....ok, maybe you're right, what can I say.
We don't kick or ban people for airing an opinion. I however urge you to research the illuminati. Like you, I have rejected it up until the moment I started digging, I thought people were talking about guys in black cloaks, as described in Dan Brown's books. I was shocked to come to the conclusion that the illuminati is very real, still exists and has their own agenda to rule the world. This is no shit like you describe it, but as long as people like yourself refuse to do some research about illuminati, mind control and new world order, they can carry on with their plans. I am convinced that exposing these suckers IS Mike's real plan. [/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote][/quote] I gave only my advise, obviously if you guys are so convinced, you'll carry on with this, but I think you'll change your mind later, when you realize how absurde this is.
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« on: July 01, 2010, 08:07:47 AM »
Oh please guys, don't fall down so much......I love this webiste, it's very good to share our own ideas about the possible hoax but no, the Illuminati no please, it's a ridiculous theory and one of the most popular crap theory interntauts try to spread on the net. And the worse is, some people even believe this!
If MJ was thinking and talking about a cospiracy, or his brother was, it doesn't mean they are thinking of the Illuminati! He never said this and it's unbelievable how you can find it in his words. This way, you are ruining all the intelligent things you wrote in this site, 'cause then everything is possible! We can make up a lot of theories, they all are gonna work!
Just to remind people....ILLUMINATI DON'T EXIST! It is very very low level conversation. Historicals said these people existed till the end of 19700 max, but today there is no way! Please get real!
The reality is that when one person becomes so popular, and so powerfull like MJ in his best years, they want to destroy you. That, I believe, cause it's kind of scary and dangerous on a certain level. And I can believe thare has been a cospiracy against him, like Micheal and Jermaine said, also by the home music producers, of course. I'm sure he had lot of ennemies and he was mad at some people like Mottola.....but again, nobody talked about Illuminati.....this is out of mind.
Even if some modern rappers has referred in his songs to these "Illuminati", please notice that nowdays the word Illuminati indicates the powerfull people, like the multinationals, the politics in general. When they say things like "they wanted to destroy us" and so all, they surely refer to the crap music (or even other than music) world we live in, that's it.
Please, don't waste you time with this shit, we should focus on his real plan, if there is one....and no, I'm not one of the Illuminati who came here to discreditate your work 'cause I want you out of the way....lol!
I hope you leave people the possibility to give their advise without kicking them off, I'd like to still stay on the website that, for the rest of it, I find very interesting. Thanks
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« on: June 30, 2010, 02:56:13 AM »
and the Arvizo?
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« on: June 30, 2010, 02:34:51 AM »
But about the death announcement, what do you think about the guy (maybe from Firemen) clearly said that MJ had passed away? Do you know the one i'm talking about? If I find the link I'll post it...it's a little guy, short and white hair, just outside MJ's house....could he possibly state a fake death?
I think this is the one you are talking about.
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Yes exactly. How can this guy, from his position, lie to the entire world, without any sequel or any juridical problems if this si an hoax? This is the biggest question I ask to myself...
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« on: June 29, 2010, 04:46:03 PM »
I think the same as you ,i have watched them over and over and somethings different.
The two mj`s seem the same but different , if that makes any sense .I know this sounds crazy but there`s something not right between the two.They are so similar but not quite the same. Thank you, you look me seem less twisted! lol Look, he has really another face, now the explication would be that, in the meantime, he had other surgeries that reshaped (better) his nose and cheeks....but still, what about the mouth and the chin? I don't know what to think.....I guess nobody noticed cause we all were used to his face changes, so we just said, ok he had other surgeries again....but in this case, in the final part , which was made LATER (for sure), he looks more "like before"... if you know what I mean. It's really weird...
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« on: June 29, 2010, 04:38:58 PM »
And also, the guy who reported about MJ authopsy.....you know, everything could have been faked, but when I see official people (Fire Departement, coroner officer) making clear declarations, I say to me, this cannot be done....you know, even if we admit that Michael had the favours of lot of people (which I don't believe anyway, I think lot of people didn't like him over there) , this would be like a crime, they cannot make fake statements.....what do you think?
I've watched your links, and yes he wasn't VERY clear....but he was direct enough I think anyway. But about the death announcement, what do you think about the guy (maybe from Firemen) clearly said that MJ had passed away? Do you know the one i'm talking about? If I find the link I'll post it...it's a little guy, short and white hair, just outside MJ's house....could he possibly state a fake death?
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« on: June 29, 2010, 03:29:47 PM »
I just noticed something interesting on the UCLA Newsroom site. I'm not sure what you call it in "internet" language, but it is the title of the link to the page, the part that follows the "www." and describes the link you are going to.
On the UCLA link to the page that has the information about Jermaine making the "statement of death", the link to that page looks like this -
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(This seems like UCLA is saying "the media reports that michael jackson"... dies? So UCLA is making even more of a point in this link that the MEDIA is reporting that Michael Jackson... )
And there is this article
"Statement on the death of Michael Jackson at UCLA Medical Center
By UCLA Newsroom June 25, 2009 Category: Campus News, Health Sciences
The family of Michael Jackson made this brief statement available on June 25 at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center:
The legendary King of Pop, Michael Jackson, passed away on Thursday, June 25, 2009, at 2:26 p.m. It is believed he suffered cardiac arrest in his home. However, the cause of his death is unknown until results of the autopsy are known.
His personal physician, who was with him at the time, attempted to resuscitate Jackson, as did paramedics who transported him to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Upon arriving at the hospital at approximately 1:14 p.m., a team of doctors, including emergency physicians and cardiologists, attempted to resuscitate him for a period of more than one hour but were unsuccessful.
Jackson’s family requests that the media respect their privacy during this tragic period of time."
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COMPARE to the link for this article about the death of Coach John Wooden, UCLA basketball coach.
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(UCLA is making the statement that John Wooden has died)
And the article:
Coach John Wooden, 1910–2010
By Claudia Luther June 04, 2010
"UCLA's legendary former basketball coach John Wooden, who in 27 years led his teams to stunning triumphs and was just as well known for mentoring his players off the court and for his motivational "Pyramid of Success," died at 6:45 p.m. of natural causes. He was 99. His 100th birthday would have been Oct. 14.
Wooden had been admitted to Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center on May 26. Funeral services will be private. Per the wishes of the family, there will be a public memorial at a later date, with a reception for former players and coaches."
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And this statement from his children
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(The kind of statement that a family would usually make - they are not announcing the death because UCLA has already done that)
"Statement from Nan and Jim Wooden on John Wooden
By UCLA June 04, 2010 Category: Campus News
The following statement was issued by Nan and Jim Wooden on the passing of their father, John Wooden:
We want to thank everyone for their love and support for our father. We will miss him more than words can express.
He has been, and always will be, the guiding light for our family. The love, guidance and support he has given us will never be forgotten.
Our peace of mind at this time is knowing that he has gone to be with our mother, whom he has continued to love and cherish.
We wish to express our gratitude for your support and appreciate your respecting our privacy."
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(UCLA confirming that the Coach was hospitalized, but saying that the family wishes for them not to comment on his condition at this time. Why could there not have been some sort of release of this type when "MJ" was admitted to UCLA?)
"Coach John Wooden hospitalized at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center
By UCLA Newsroom June 03, 2010 Category: Campus News, Health Sciences
UCLA has received numerous media and public inquiries regarding Coach John Wooden, the Bruins' legendary basketball coach from 1948-1975.
The campus has been authorized to confirm that Coach Wooden is a patient at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center. Per the wishes of the Wooden family, UCLA will not comment on his condition.
No one from the Wooden Family or UCLA staff is available for interviews regarding Coach Wooden."
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It is interesting to compare how these two situations were reported by the UCLA Newsroom... Very interesting... But this guy was someone who actually was part of UCLA, so it's maybe different. Could you find some death announcement of an extern person, like MJ,even better if it's someone from the star system....did any famous person die there before? It's LA so maybe we can find someone else...
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« on: June 29, 2010, 11:01:02 AM »
Ok people, I've being watching this interview with Bashir for long.....when Michael is with Gavin (with the black shirt for instance) he has a very crispy face, very tense, and in other scene, like the last part with the purple shirt, he's got a different face. Please, before telling me I'm crazy (I know I'm surely wrong), take a look at the scenes.... You are not allowed to view links.
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Register or LoginA part from his nose (he could have modified it quickly) his chin is longer in the first one, his theeth look different, he closes his mouth in a different way because of the chin, the cheeks....I'm sorry that I haven't the program to compare you the 2 images!
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