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Quote from: "Hazzely"Quote from: "WendyE"The Pepsi ordeal was no hoax. Micheal was severely injured and could have died from the burns he received. My son is friends with a gentleman that worked on lighting for that commercial and says that he remembers clearly what happened that day and that it was no accident! Michael had no idea what was about to hit him. According to him they added extra fire power and failed to test it or tell Micheal before they ran through it. He said that the men in charge were experts in Pyrotechnics and knew better! Being in the medical field I have seen some nasty burns and patients can and often do die of infections and loss of body heat from the burns they received. Most of our body heat is lost through the scalp. Micheal could have easily died from those burns. I do not believe for one minute he hoaxed this one. Sorry but NO.Quote from: "*Mo*"I don't agree on the Pepsi "accident" being a hoax.The Pepsi "accident" took place 4 years before Mike really started showing resistance towards those who were controlling him. It was a warning.Mike was taken to Cedars Sinai after the incident. Cedars Sinai has a programming unit according to several sources on the internet.Donald M. Kendall was the CEO at Pepsi in 1984. Kendall has connections with Richard Helms, the same Richard Helms that ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973.If Mike has hoaxed this, it means that they pyro technicians were in on it. Those were on Pepsi's payroll.Why would Pepsi settle for 1.5 million if Mike hoaxed that "accident"? Mike donated the 1.5 million to the burn unit of the Brotman Medical Center in Culver City. There was no need to hoax this "accident" in order to make this donation, he could have easily paid this out of his own pocket.Pepsi's sales decreased by 20% because the fans boycotted Pepsi after this incident. I don't think they were prepared to take such a financial loss just to let Mike hoax this incident.It happened during the 6th (6!) take, while later they produced a perfect commercial from the 5 previous takes. There was no need at all for a 6th take.By watching the footage of this incident you can clearly see that there's panic all over, and Mike is completely dazed.The 9+2+8+2=21... 21 (7.7.7) could very well have been the start of using numerology when he discovered the significance of this date, as it didn't occur again before he started planning this hoax by the end of the 80s.[/b]Quote from: "suesuzzfaithkeeper"all i know from working on a burn unit is the patient goes thru hell!!!..and i just watched it again since it was the clearest one i have seen and up close..you can tell it did burn some of the surrounding hair(it's noticeable)...the red area scalp burn is larger in size..not sure if some know but with burn patients they have to scrub with a scrub brush and clean up the dead and blister skin (some go thru skin graphs)..they prob had to remove some of the surrounding hair (shave) to get better treatment..as you can see Michael Jackson the look on his face is shock i don't think he really knows what was going on..but prob as soon as they started to rush him away the amount of pain that started to set in was unthinkable and unbearable to say the least!!..prob as soon as they got him in the ambulance they started an IV fluids very important!!..when they started the treatment on him in the er/burn unit they usually give IV pain medication since it is so painful..he might not have known at the time that they gave him the pain meds..usually with burn patients they have to scrub and clean make sterile every so many hours or everyday..he might have after the first night at the hospital not remember even being put under and tried to control his pain on his own...but to me there is nothing worse then a burn patient..i don't blame him one bit for taking the medication given to him at that time..just from the video you could tell it was already blisters and the amount of redness alone...sorry i know it was kinda off topic..just wanted to share..also note most likely from the ambulance to the er/burn unit its pretty standard to give pain medication just due to the size and area of the burn with out the person asking for it or know that they are about to get the medication..they just tell you were goinna try to give you something to help you..they just do it...huggssuzzQuote from: "simalves"Quote Since his hair was in jerry-curl form, close to his scalp, shouldn't he had feel the heat in a quicker time than what it really was?? Makes you go "hmmmm" doesn't it??? Reading this thread has just brought back one of the tough moments in my life.I was a burn victim when I was 12 years old. 2nd & 3rd degree burns due to an accident at home. I can tell you that when it first happened I felt searing heat for a split second and then numbness. I went into shock and did not know what happened till I realised my mum freaking out a few feet from me. It was then that I realised I was hurt and then reacted.So it is normal for him not to know what happened. He could have thought there was a shooting pain but then when numbness took over he didn't react and only realised something was wrong when everyone rushed to him.It is tough and I feel personal pain that we would think it was a hoax if he really went through hell.Sorry for what happened to you..and yes I agree with you, Mo, Wendye and suesuzzfaithkeeper.. He couldn't have hoaxed that accident cause of all you mentioned till now, so there's no need to repeat it as well. I think he really suffered from thatHe couldn't have hoaxed it because... burns are extremely painful?I'm not following this logic. Make up, skull caps, and acting are all perfectly plausable explanations.I haven't heard an argument that is rock solid yet against the possibility that this was a hoax.CMON... if we have learned anything in 11 months it's DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU ARE TOLD.And if anyone is going to say, yeah but we SAW it.... we saw MJ in an ambulance too. And an oxygen chamber too some years back.Dunno guys, it's making more and more sense to me. Getting all wrapped up in a pretty neat little package here.
Quote from: "WendyE"The Pepsi ordeal was no hoax. Micheal was severely injured and could have died from the burns he received. My son is friends with a gentleman that worked on lighting for that commercial and says that he remembers clearly what happened that day and that it was no accident! Michael had no idea what was about to hit him. According to him they added extra fire power and failed to test it or tell Micheal before they ran through it. He said that the men in charge were experts in Pyrotechnics and knew better! Being in the medical field I have seen some nasty burns and patients can and often do die of infections and loss of body heat from the burns they received. Most of our body heat is lost through the scalp. Micheal could have easily died from those burns. I do not believe for one minute he hoaxed this one. Sorry but NO.Quote from: "*Mo*"I don't agree on the Pepsi "accident" being a hoax.The Pepsi "accident" took place 4 years before Mike really started showing resistance towards those who were controlling him. It was a warning.Mike was taken to Cedars Sinai after the incident. Cedars Sinai has a programming unit according to several sources on the internet.Donald M. Kendall was the CEO at Pepsi in 1984. Kendall has connections with Richard Helms, the same Richard Helms that ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973.If Mike has hoaxed this, it means that they pyro technicians were in on it. Those were on Pepsi's payroll.Why would Pepsi settle for 1.5 million if Mike hoaxed that "accident"? Mike donated the 1.5 million to the burn unit of the Brotman Medical Center in Culver City. There was no need to hoax this "accident" in order to make this donation, he could have easily paid this out of his own pocket.Pepsi's sales decreased by 20% because the fans boycotted Pepsi after this incident. I don't think they were prepared to take such a financial loss just to let Mike hoax this incident.It happened during the 6th (6!) take, while later they produced a perfect commercial from the 5 previous takes. There was no need at all for a 6th take.By watching the footage of this incident you can clearly see that there's panic all over, and Mike is completely dazed.The 9+2+8+2=21... 21 (7.7.7) could very well have been the start of using numerology when he discovered the significance of this date, as it didn't occur again before he started planning this hoax by the end of the 80s.[/b]Quote from: "suesuzzfaithkeeper"all i know from working on a burn unit is the patient goes thru hell!!!..and i just watched it again since it was the clearest one i have seen and up close..you can tell it did burn some of the surrounding hair(it's noticeable)...the red area scalp burn is larger in size..not sure if some know but with burn patients they have to scrub with a scrub brush and clean up the dead and blister skin (some go thru skin graphs)..they prob had to remove some of the surrounding hair (shave) to get better treatment..as you can see Michael Jackson the look on his face is shock i don't think he really knows what was going on..but prob as soon as they started to rush him away the amount of pain that started to set in was unthinkable and unbearable to say the least!!..prob as soon as they got him in the ambulance they started an IV fluids very important!!..when they started the treatment on him in the er/burn unit they usually give IV pain medication since it is so painful..he might not have known at the time that they gave him the pain meds..usually with burn patients they have to scrub and clean make sterile every so many hours or everyday..he might have after the first night at the hospital not remember even being put under and tried to control his pain on his own...but to me there is nothing worse then a burn patient..i don't blame him one bit for taking the medication given to him at that time..just from the video you could tell it was already blisters and the amount of redness alone...sorry i know it was kinda off topic..just wanted to share..also note most likely from the ambulance to the er/burn unit its pretty standard to give pain medication just due to the size and area of the burn with out the person asking for it or know that they are about to get the medication..they just tell you were goinna try to give you something to help you..they just do it...huggssuzzQuote from: "simalves"Quote Since his hair was in jerry-curl form, close to his scalp, shouldn't he had feel the heat in a quicker time than what it really was?? Makes you go "hmmmm" doesn't it??? Reading this thread has just brought back one of the tough moments in my life.I was a burn victim when I was 12 years old. 2nd & 3rd degree burns due to an accident at home. I can tell you that when it first happened I felt searing heat for a split second and then numbness. I went into shock and did not know what happened till I realised my mum freaking out a few feet from me. It was then that I realised I was hurt and then reacted.So it is normal for him not to know what happened. He could have thought there was a shooting pain but then when numbness took over he didn't react and only realised something was wrong when everyone rushed to him.It is tough and I feel personal pain that we would think it was a hoax if he really went through hell.Sorry for what happened to you..and yes I agree with you, Mo, Wendye and suesuzzfaithkeeper.. He couldn't have hoaxed that accident cause of all you mentioned till now, so there's no need to repeat it as well. I think he really suffered from that
The Pepsi ordeal was no hoax. Micheal was severely injured and could have died from the burns he received. My son is friends with a gentleman that worked on lighting for that commercial and says that he remembers clearly what happened that day and that it was no accident! Michael had no idea what was about to hit him. According to him they added extra fire power and failed to test it or tell Micheal before they ran through it. He said that the men in charge were experts in Pyrotechnics and knew better! Being in the medical field I have seen some nasty burns and patients can and often do die of infections and loss of body heat from the burns they received. Most of our body heat is lost through the scalp. Micheal could have easily died from those burns. I do not believe for one minute he hoaxed this one. Sorry but NO.
I don't agree on the Pepsi "accident" being a hoax.The Pepsi "accident" took place 4 years before Mike really started showing resistance towards those who were controlling him. It was a warning.Mike was taken to Cedars Sinai after the incident. Cedars Sinai has a programming unit according to several sources on the internet.Donald M. Kendall was the CEO at Pepsi in 1984. Kendall has connections with Richard Helms, the same Richard Helms that ordered all MK-ULTRA files destroyed in 1973.If Mike has hoaxed this, it means that they pyro technicians were in on it. Those were on Pepsi's payroll.Why would Pepsi settle for 1.5 million if Mike hoaxed that "accident"? Mike donated the 1.5 million to the burn unit of the Brotman Medical Center in Culver City. There was no need to hoax this "accident" in order to make this donation, he could have easily paid this out of his own pocket.Pepsi's sales decreased by 20% because the fans boycotted Pepsi after this incident. I don't think they were prepared to take such a financial loss just to let Mike hoax this incident.It happened during the 6th (6!) take, while later they produced a perfect commercial from the 5 previous takes. There was no need at all for a 6th take.By watching the footage of this incident you can clearly see that there's panic all over, and Mike is completely dazed.The 9+2+8+2=21... 21 (7.7.7) could very well have been the start of using numerology when he discovered the significance of this date, as it didn't occur again before he started planning this hoax by the end of the 80s.[/b]
all i know from working on a burn unit is the patient goes thru hell!!!..and i just watched it again since it was the clearest one i have seen and up close..you can tell it did burn some of the surrounding hair(it's noticeable)...the red area scalp burn is larger in size..not sure if some know but with burn patients they have to scrub with a scrub brush and clean up the dead and blister skin (some go thru skin graphs)..they prob had to remove some of the surrounding hair (shave) to get better treatment..as you can see Michael Jackson the look on his face is shock i don't think he really knows what was going on..but prob as soon as they started to rush him away the amount of pain that started to set in was unthinkable and unbearable to say the least!!..prob as soon as they got him in the ambulance they started an IV fluids very important!!..when they started the treatment on him in the er/burn unit they usually give IV pain medication since it is so painful..he might not have known at the time that they gave him the pain meds..usually with burn patients they have to scrub and clean make sterile every so many hours or everyday..he might have after the first night at the hospital not remember even being put under and tried to control his pain on his own...but to me there is nothing worse then a burn patient..i don't blame him one bit for taking the medication given to him at that time..just from the video you could tell it was already blisters and the amount of redness alone...sorry i know it was kinda off topic..just wanted to share..also note most likely from the ambulance to the er/burn unit its pretty standard to give pain medication just due to the size and area of the burn with out the person asking for it or know that they are about to get the medication..they just tell you were goinna try to give you something to help you..they just do it...huggssuzz
Quote Since his hair was in jerry-curl form, close to his scalp, shouldn't he had feel the heat in a quicker time than what it really was?? Makes you go "hmmmm" doesn't it??? Reading this thread has just brought back one of the tough moments in my life.I was a burn victim when I was 12 years old. 2nd & 3rd degree burns due to an accident at home. I can tell you that when it first happened I felt searing heat for a split second and then numbness. I went into shock and did not know what happened till I realised my mum freaking out a few feet from me. It was then that I realised I was hurt and then reacted.So it is normal for him not to know what happened. He could have thought there was a shooting pain but then when numbness took over he didn't react and only realised something was wrong when everyone rushed to him.It is tough and I feel personal pain that we would think it was a hoax if he really went through hell.
Since his hair was in jerry-curl form, close to his scalp, shouldn't he had feel the heat in a quicker time than what it really was?? Makes you go "hmmmm" doesn't it???
Quote from: "bec"Oh My Fucking God we are right. Friendlikeme that information you have compiled is amazing.Yes, I am literally dancing on the table. We are right.
Quote Since his hair was in jerry-curl form, close to his scalp, shouldn't he had feel the heat in a quicker time than what it really was?? Makes you go "hmmmm" doesn't it??? [/quote The reason Michael feel it quicker is because he was dancing, he was in the moment. Adrenaline does that.
Since his hair was in jerry-curl form, close to his scalp, shouldn't he had feel the heat in a quicker time than what it really was?? Makes you go "hmmmm" doesn't it??? [/quote The reason Michael feel it quicker is because he was dancing, he was in the moment. Adrenaline does that.
see the timeline You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginJanuary 10, 1984: Michael visits the unit for burn victims at Brotman-Memorial Hospital in Los Angeles.April 9, 1984: David Smithee, a 14-year-old boy who suffers from cystic fibroses is invited to Michael's home. It was David's last wish to meet Michael. He dies 7 weeks later.April 14, 1984: Michael equips a 19-bed-unit at Mount Senai New York Medical Center. This center is part of the T.J. Martell-Foundation for leukemia and cancer research.July 5, 1984: During the Jackson's press conference at Tavern On The Green, Michael announces that his part of the earnings from the Victory Tour will be donated to three charitable organizations: The United Negro College Fund, Camp Good Times, and the T.J. Martell-Foundation.July 14, 1984: After the first concert of the Victory Tour, Michael meets 8 terminally ill children backstage.December 13, 1984: Michael visits the Brotman Memorial Hospital, where he had been treated when he was burned very badly during the producing of a Pepsi commercial. He donates all the money he receives from Pepsi, $1.5 million, to the Michael Jackson Burn Center for Children.6. Michael - Miko Brando - Dave Dave - ConnectionMiko was the first one on stage who reached Michael as Michael claims in his Moonwalk biographyWe see Miko here:[attachment=1:3qsk71v0]miko at pepsi accident.JPG[/attachment:3qsk71v0]Dave Dave is the character that is linked to Michael because both are burn victims. We know that Dave Dave is Michael at LKL, it is his disguise, a sort of second identity. He shows up with Miko Brando. It can be a coincidence because they are close friends, but it can also have a symbolic meaning: Michael's burn victim hoax in 1984 + Miko and Michael's burn victim hoax in 2009 + Miko. We find Miko at both events and because we know that 2009 is a hoax we might realize that 1984 was too. This is no strong argument, but maybe something to think about.8. The burn accident is part of This is it. No coincidence. Never.[attachment=0:3qsk71v0]burning heads_I.JPG[/attachment:3qsk71v0]