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MissG: QuoteTS to me is NOT one who is manipulating in order to gather a congregation of supporters for some unknown agenda but Front, and not to gather a congregation but to have an audience to be entertain with, not the other way around.That doesn't make sense at all suspicious// because TS has validated Front many times through his redirects. Not to mention all the validation from MJ's family and official MJ Facebook page. Not just once -- not twice -- but several times. rr/
TS to me is NOT one who is manipulating in order to gather a congregation of supporters for some unknown agenda but Front, and not to gather a congregation but to have an audience to be entertain with, not the other way around.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginYou are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginReally, do you honestly think that Michael could tell us directly that he's Michael? After seeing how people is still affected, yes.Yes and ruin his security and risk failure of the Hoax plans? Michael "faked his death" so he must make the world believe he is "dead". So how do you expect him to directly tell us? In which manner can he do that? I don't understand this at all.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginReally, do you honestly think that Michael could tell us directly that he's Michael? After seeing how people is still affected, yes.
Really, do you honestly think that Michael could tell us directly that he's Michael?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...]TS to me is NOT one who is manipulating in order to gather a congregation of supporters for some unknown agenda but Front, and not to gather a congregation but to have an audience to be entertain with, not the other way around.[...]2. And if you think that it's not TS the one who manipulates, but only Front, then how do you explain TS validating Front? I mean in this case they either have to be both manipulators/fakers or neither of them!
[...]TS to me is NOT one who is manipulating in order to gather a congregation of supporters for some unknown agenda but Front, and not to gather a congregation but to have an audience to be entertain with, not the other way around.
I don´t say that Front is a faker but it is clear that he/she is evasive about giving a straight answer= "I AM NOT MJ PEOPLE"
Everybody stand up for him/her but he/she rarely or never stands up for anyone.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginMissG: QuoteTS to me is NOT one who is manipulating in order to gather a congregation of supporters for some unknown agenda but Front, and not to gather a congregation but to have an audience to be entertain with, not the other way around.That doesn't make sense at all suspicious// because TS has validated Front many times through his redirects. Not to mention all the validation from MJ's family and official MJ Facebook page. Not just once -- not twice -- but several times. rr/Makes sense since both are 2 different characters, as shown in their posts.They may have validated each other but Michael´s family has not validated them.
Regardless of who Front and TS are, I think we are forgetting here that both knew certain things in advance, and both are being backed up by Michael's own family. So whoever they might be should not be important, clearly the family thinks it's important enough to support both of them. That means that there is probably something in the messages we should pay attention to.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginCan someone clarify my questions? I think BEC did a great job at clarifying things related to hoax-Numerology in her post.I'll try to add my way of understanding and seeing Numerology too.Bec , I respect your view and you'll see that even though I agree with 80% of what you said, there are some parts where... I can't say I disagree, but maybe I complete what you said with my own perspective.... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...] These numerical elements that appear with tremendous frequency in all things hoax related could either be 1) coincidences or 2) by design. or 3) by God's willThe following data cannot be explained by the first 2 points mentioned by you, Bec, but in my opinion, these data can only be explained by God's will! While one can plan the dates on which some hoax-events will happen, I think everybody agrees no one can PLAN their own birthday. So there's definitely a 3rd option here - GOD, just my opinion and everything hoax-related had been planned starting from these already divinely set-up numbers.<snip for ease of reviewing>So Elvis significant numbers 42 & 24 perfectly match the total sums of Michael's birthday-date [42] & death-date [24] How funny! Can it be all a Coincidence? Can it be all just a man-made PLAN? or Does God have a 'hand' in this too?
Can someone clarify my questions?
[...] These numerical elements that appear with tremendous frequency in all things hoax related could either be 1) coincidences or 2) by design.
*** I think that, as Bec said, the hoax is planned based on intentional figures and events meant to happen at a specific time! Why? maybe because:1. doing everything by the numbers, namely doing calculated things, one can hardly make mistakes! carefully planned, calculated actions = the way to PERFECTION! I think we all know "someone" very dear to all of us, who has always been a PERFECTION seeker!2. the belief that doing everything by the numbers, and not just any numbers, but the DIVINE ones, ensures the success of the plan3. doing everything by the numbers represents the perfect proof that nothing was accidental, that there was a plan with a purpose and not just a capricious game4. doing everything by the numbers made the perfect connection to Elvis' hoax!and I could go on and on like this....
- I marked in purple the word "by design" because I found it interesting that Bec used it in this context, just like Elvis... and something tells me Bec was unaware of this Elvis' quote... Am I right or wrong, Bec?
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginBecause we all agree that numerology is a pseudoscience, we accept that their appearances are not divinely inspired. This leaves few possibilities as to WHO designed their inclusion. Many accept that MJ himself designed their inclusion, NOT GOD. I agree...I accept that Elvis and Michael designed their death hoax, BUT by certain numbers that they thought were indicated to them by God.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginIf anyone were touting that god (or even fate) was responsible for these numbers showing up in this hoax, you could refute that theory by offering the fact that numerology is a pseudoscience and you'd be right. [...]Numerology is a pseudoscience, ok.Fate is not responsible for all numerological connections in the hoax, ok.God is not responsible for all numerological connections in the hoax, ok. BUT the numerological connections in the hoax were designed to fit certain God given numbers that influenced the lives and careers of both Elvis & Michael!
Because we all agree that numerology is a pseudoscience, we accept that their appearances are not divinely inspired. This leaves few possibilities as to WHO designed their inclusion. Many accept that MJ himself designed their inclusion, NOT GOD.
If anyone were touting that god (or even fate) was responsible for these numbers showing up in this hoax, you could refute that theory by offering the fact that numerology is a pseudoscience and you'd be right. [...]
I perceive Michael (after watching his speeches in TII for a couple of times) as a kind loving person and quite direct when communicating his message. He definitely would use a kind loving approach, assuming he is the man shown in TII for real.
“One time I took pictures of him while he was in bed because he was late for a meeting I’d set up and wouldn’t get up. He was like, “Todd, I’m gonna get you for that! And he did. I’d forgotten all about what happened while he was performing one night and he’d told me to stand in a specific spot to take photos of him when he began singing that song. I did as I was instructed. So right before I go to take my position, Michael drops to his back and starts saying, “Help me, help me! I need some woman to touch me!” and every woman in that place collapsed on me. I was between them and Michael and I couldn’t even get one shot in and he gave me this look like, I got you. Afterwards, I said you think you’re so cute, and he says, “What do you mean, Todd?” I’m like, Mike that hurt; those people were crushing me and all he said: “Todd, the spirit just takes me sometimes and the spirit just took me.” That’s when I knew that was payback and that was the last time I stepped out of line with him” - Todd GrayMJFAN7 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
A VERY important hoax-number, occurring very often both in Elvis & MJ hoax [we also saw Dr. Murray wearing a t-shirt with it] is NUMBER24 [which is Backwards or Reversed: 42-- the age Elvis "died"] - 24 = 8 + 8 + 8 or 888 [no. 8 is Elvis' number] - 42 = 7 + 7 + 7 +7 +7 +7 or 777 777 [no. 7 is Michael's number] - The 3 most important hoax-numbers sum: 7 + 8 + 9 = 24 - Elvis “death” month + day: 16+8= 24 - Elvis "death"year: 1+9+7+7 = 24 - Elvis comeback in 1968: 1+9+6+8 = 24 - Lisa Marie's birthday year: 1+9+6+8 = 24 - Michael’s birthday-anniversary in 2012: 8 + 2 + 9 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 24 - Michael ‘s birthday-date: 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42 - the age Elvis "died" - Michael’s “death”-date: 6+ 2 + 5 + 2 + 9 = 24 So Elvis significant numbers 42 & 24 perfectly match the total sums of Michael's birthday-date [42] & death-date [24] How funny! Can it be all a Coincidence? Can it be all just a man-made PLAN? or Does God have a 'hand' in this too?*** I think that, as Bec said, the hoax is planned based on intentional figures and events meant to happen at a specific time! Why? maybe because: 1. doing everything by the numbers, namely doing calculated things, one can hardly make mistakes! carefully planned, calculated actions = the way to PERFECTION! I think we all know "someone" very dear to all of us, who has always been a PERFECTION seeker! 2. the belief that doing everything by the numbers, and not just any numbers, but the DIVINE ones, ensures the success of the plan 3. doing everything by the numbers represents the perfect proof that nothing was accidental, that there was a plan with a purpose and not just a capricious game 4. doing everything by the numbers made the perfect connection to Elvis' hoax! and I could go on and on like this.... *** But I also think these intentional figures were not just randomly chosen to plan the hoax, but these numbers were intentionally chosen to fit the divine figures already planned by God. Why would Michael chose no. 7 and not no. 2 , for example? Well here is a possible explanation: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Loginand here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login *** I think that both Elvis and Michael, realized that God's perfect creation is based on Numbers: think about how everything surrounding us is all about numbers! the Bible, the musical notes, everything in this world seems to exist because of Numbers! This would explain why, being so faithful and spiritual persons, both Elvis and Michael were so passioned by Numerology! I think they studied this "pseudoscience" because they believed it would get them to a better understanding of God's message, it brought them closer to God.... I think Elvis' words explain it best: "People who put down God, don't realize there is an order in the universe: the seasons, the movements of the planets, the harmony of words and numbers. We have no order unless it is by design. -He smiled- And no design without a designer."
But what if he IS telling us what we need to do to understand things more but you're disregarding it because you're 'hung up' on fear or insecurity? Because there is no 'assurance' either way (i.e. we have not and will not hear from Mike directly...until he deems it's time)...then there IS a possibility that he IS 'guiding' us through TS, Front and Back in order to help us understand. No one here can claim to KNOW with 100% certainty that there is NO possibility that this is what's happening. It's been 2.5 years and NO ONE has been able to refute TS' posts with anything substantial. And if the possibility DOES exists...even if in your mind it's only a slight possibility...what harm is there in reading what could very well be coming from Mike? Has TS ever asked anyone for money or for their personal info or to do ANYTHING that would be dangerous? People are so quick to caution about 'reading' TS' posts...yet they have no problem sending their kids off to school everyday to read, learn and be 'taught' half-truths, slanted perspectives and, in many cases, outright lies ("history books ARE full of lies"). I just don't get it
You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginCan someone clarify my questions? I think BEC did a great job at clarifying things related to hoax-Numerology in her post.I'll try to add my way of understanding and seeing Numerology too.Bec , I respect your view and you'll see that even though I agree with 80% of what you said, there are some parts where... I can't say I disagree, but maybe I complete what you said with my own perspective.... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login[...] These numerical elements that appear with tremendous frequency in all things hoax related could either be 1) coincidences or 2) by design. or 3) by God's willThe following data cannot be explained by the first 2 points mentioned by you, Bec, but in my opinion, these data can only be explained by God's will! While one can plan the dates on which some hoax-events will happen, I think everybody agrees no one can PLAN their own birthday. So there's definitely a 3rd option here - GOD, just my opinion and everything hoax-related had been planned starting from these already divinely set-up numbers. And I will try to explain my opinion and I will give more arguments to sustain my opinion, just below my numerology-demonstration here:A VERY important hoax-number, occurring very often both in Elvis & MJ hoax [we also saw Dr. Murray wearing a t-shirt with it] is NUMBER 24 [which is Backwards or Reversed: 42-- the age Elvis "died"]- 24 = 8 + 8 + 8 or 888 [no. 8 is Elvis' number]- 42 = 7 + 7 + 7 +7 +7 +7 or 777 777 [no. 7 is Michael's number]- The 3 most important hoax-numbers sum: 7 + 8 + 9 = 24 - Elvis “death” month + day: 16+8= 24 - Elvis "death"year: 1+9+7+7 = 24 - Elvis comeback in 1968: 1+9+6+8 = 24 - Lisa Marie's birthday year: 1+9+6+8 = 24- Michael’s birthday-anniversary in 2012: 8 + 2 + 9 + 2 + 1 + 2 = 24- Michael ‘s birthday-date: 8+2+9+1+9+5+8 = 42 - the age Elvis "died"- Michael’s “death”-date: 6+ 2 + 5 + 2 + 9 = 24So Elvis significant numbers 42 & 24 perfectly match the total sums of Michael's birthday-date [42] & death-date [24] How funny! Can it be all a Coincidence? Can it be all just a man-made PLAN? or Does God have a 'hand' in this too?*** I think that, as Bec said, the hoax is planned based on intentional figures and events meant to happen at a specific time! Why? maybe because:1. doing everything by the numbers, namely doing calculated things, one can hardly make mistakes! carefully planned, calculated actions = the way to PERFECTION! I think we all know "someone" very dear to all of us, who has always been a PERFECTION seeker!2. the belief that doing everything by the numbers, and not just any numbers, but the DIVINE ones, ensures the success of the plan3. doing everything by the numbers represents the perfect proof that nothing was accidental, that there was a plan with a purpose and not just a capricious game4. doing everything by the numbers made the perfect connection to Elvis' hoax!and I could go on and on like this....*** But I also think these intentional figures were not just randomly chosen to plan the hoax, but these numbers were intentionally chosen to fit the divine figures already planned by God. Why would Michael chose no. 7 and not no. 2 , for example? Well here is a possible explanation: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login and here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login*** I think that both Elvis and Michael, realized that God's perfect creation is based on Numbers: think about how everything surrounding us is all about numbers! the Bible, the musical notes, everything in this world seems to exist because of Numbers! This would explain why, being so faithful and spiritual persons, both Elvis and Michael were so passioned by Numerology! I think they studied this "pseudoscience" because they believed it would get them to a better understanding of God's message, it brought them closer to God....I think Elvis' words explain it best: "People who put down God, don't realize there is an order in the universe: the seasons, the movements of the planets, the harmony of words and numbers. We have no order unless it is by design. -He smiled- And no design without a designer."- I marked in red the word "universe" in Elvis' quote because I remember how Lisa Marie, in that Oprah interview about Michael's "death", I remember how at one point she looked upwards saying she's asking the universe (namely God) for answers as to why the circumstances of her father's death and Michael's death "were so identical, play by play by play" !!! I think this speaks volumes about what is happening "behind the curtains" of the hoax!! Who are the designer(s) of this hoax and what Lisa Marie really knows!! - I marked in purple the word "by design" because I found it interesting that Bec used it in this context, just like Elvis... and something tells me Bec was unaware of this Elvis' quote... Am I right or wrong, Bec? You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginBecause we all agree that numerology is a pseudoscience, we accept that their appearances are not divinely inspired. This leaves few possibilities as to WHO designed their inclusion. Many accept that MJ himself designed their inclusion, NOT GOD. I agree...I accept that Elvis and Michael designed their death hoax, BUT by certain numbers that they thought were indicated to them by God.You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginIf anyone were touting that god (or even fate) was responsible for these numbers showing up in this hoax, you could refute that theory by offering the fact that numerology is a pseudoscience and you'd be right. [...]Numerology is a pseudoscience, ok.Fate is not responsible for all numerological connections in the hoax, ok.God is not responsible for all numerological connections in the hoax, ok. BUT the numerological connections in the hoax were designed to fit certain God given numbers that influenced the lives and careers of both Elvis & Michael!^^ This is how I see this whole Numerology trick related to the hoax. Everything is just my opinion, based on my own research that I started doing after reading TS' messages about Numerology. I don't claim to be right on everything I said here. I may be wrong on certain points, I hope the BAM will clarify everything in the end!@scorpionchik: I hope i could help you a little bit, since you asked for some clarifications. I tried... I cannot get any clearer than that and I hope that TS will step in to make the necessary corrections and / or to complete with further enlightening information what Bec and I have said here...This subject really interests me the MOST since it led me to all those fascinating discoveries about Elvis! So I'd be very happy to read more of what TS has to say on Numerology! bearhug
Darling, you did not clarify anything
you just repeated what has been posted here and there and added your own.
No one can answer on my questions.
Don't worry about it