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diggyon, it can cause more than a big debate believe me, but I don't force anyone to believe that, I am not a sheik lol but I don't blindly follow what Muslim "scholars" say. I only follow God so I don't need that it is a recognized fact by a so called authority to accept it. Certainly these sheiks as you call them will not acknowledge that kind of things.For the year 2012 encoded:It is in Sura 55 "Most Gracious" I remember always reading that sura asking myself why God repeats several times this verse: "Which of your Lord's marvels can you deny?" but I never went farther than that. Just kept on reading without asking.Recently I read with a more inquisitive mind and I really wondered why this verse was repeated so many times. I really sensed that it was not made by chance, God does not do anything at random, there must be a reason. So I asked God and not long after I came across an explanation on the internet which for me makes sense and I personally consider it to be an answer to my request.To read the sura 55 go here You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login the verse is repeated 31 times in that sura. When you add the numbers of these precise verses (listed below) you obtain the number 1433.(13, 16, 18, 21, 23, 25, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 38, 40, 42, 45, 47, 49, 51, 53, 55, 57, 59, 61, 63, 65, 67, 69, 71, 73, 75, 77) ... and 1433 correspond to a lunar year in the Islamic calendar which correspond to 2012 in the Christian calendar. The whole sura contains 355 words and a lunar year is made of 354/355 days so it is about a year and not just a number.Now for the end of the era/civilization it is more my personal understanding and in the Quran God warns us repeadetly to avoid the fate of the past generations who did not uphold their covenant with Him. Why wouldn't it happen again, especially when we see what this world has become... I think that a lot of people are denying God's marvels and in 2012 everybody will take heed and there will be no more denial. Now if you don't find that it is a good explanation that's okay. I am not here to convince anyone of anything.Sorry for the long post I made it as short as possible
You're welcome my dear I must admit that I'm kind of "relieved" and happy of your reaction because it does not happen often, quite the contrary. God bless you diggyon.
by wishingstar » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:46 pm ~Souza~ wrote:The version TS redirected to interests me. Wycliffe was an interesting person. His vision was that people who believed in God only needed the Bible and did not need priests and churches to believe. He also was against the possessions of the earthly church and he said the church should be poor.The moment I saw that the Wycliffe translation was used, I was curious as well. I see you have posted a couple of times about this so far. For some reason I couldn't get it out of my head.....what is it about Wycliffe? It hit me: predestination. I remember reading something about it and John Wycliffe. I looked it up on the net and sure enough on Wikipedia it talked about it:"Theologically, his preaching was strong belief in predestination that enabled him to believe in the “invisible” church of the elect, made up of those predestined to be saved, rather than in the “visible” church of Rome." from the Wikipedia page:You are not allowed to view links. Register or LoginI don't know too much about predestination belief. It was covered very quickly in a class I once had. However, the name Wycliffe always stuck with me...who knows why, lol!Anyways, thanks Souza for pointing out the translation.....I think it's great that even though you are not religious per say , you do like and find interesting the bible redirects. I hope others are learning as much as I am....it's truly fascinating. Blessings Always!
by looking4truth » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:09 pm SoldierofLOVE wrote:The Trumpets Are Part Of The Sixth Seal"Because so few people have been taught the truth about Bible prophecy, a few things need to be pointed out. The "seals" may be thought of as something similar to the sealing of an envelope. When you open an envelope, as the breaking of the seal progresses, you can see more of the contents within that 'envelope.'The "trumpet" judgments of Revelation, as described in chapters 8 and 9, all describe violent events that are initiated as an angel blows a trumpet. The last cluster of tribulational judgments in Revelation, known as the vials (think small vials that hold a potent liquid), further describe events as angels pour out these vials. All the trumpet judgments occur within the 6th seal, and the "vial" judgments overlap with the latter part of the trumpets. This is demonstrated by the text itself and is a prophetic truth that I have taught for many years."...The simple fact is each of these groups of end-times judgments overlap. This is clear from Revelation, because the present world order comes to an end at the 7th of each set of judgments (the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet, the 7th vial). Indeed, unless we're prepared to believe the world ends 3 times, they must overlap.In the sixth seal, we see various elements of events that occur as part of the trumpets, and part of the vials. For instance, during the sixth seal we see the well-known description wherein "the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood" (Revelation 6:12). This event has been widely predicted in the Bible, including specific prophecies made by Jesus Christ Himself, as well as several of the Major Prophets such as Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Joel.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
by MsTrinity333 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:25 pm 777 = Christ in Christian Numerology. Seven Hundred and Seventy Seven : 777 - Biblical Numerology Meaning: deals in reference with the name of Jesus Christ Thanks for sharing this info. I wonder if the three sevens that we've seen Michael wearing represent the 7th seal, the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial.
by TheRunningGirl » Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:05 pm Thank you TS... The signs of Times, isn't it!With this lunar eclipse taking place on the winter solstice we have yet another sign that we may be getting closer to the end of Times, we already saw the S&P index getting to 666 on the 6th March 2009 (1 day after MJ O2 announcement. We also know from the book of Revelation that the Mark of the Beast (666) is financially related), we also heard this "strange" announcement about the Ark of the covenant to be unveiled the following day on the 25th June 2009. (and we know the Ark of the Covenant is meant to resurface towards the end of times) and we know the frequency of natural disasters (earthquakes) is on the increase.TS has told us that the Ark of the Covenant will be a major factor in the final battle between good and evil and we must STUDY the true Ark, and know it so well that none of the counterfeits will lead us astray. TS also mentioned that the number seven is one of the main keys to unlock the mystery of the true Ark... It feels like we are building up to major worldwide change... John Wycliffe taught that the true Church consists of God's chosen people and they do not need a priest to mediate between them and God. I believe that the chosen ones do not necessarily belong to a religion but beLIEve in God and have FAITH. This reference to John Wycliffe made me think of Michael's song Cry ("You’re the chosen one (I’m gonna need some kind of sign)")With L.O.V.EPS: Thank you to Paula-c for the photos of the lunar eclipse, London was and still is under huge clouds.Quoteby Im_convincedmjalive » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:43 pm nefertari wrote:Revelation 11:3 (King James Version)3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?Or I have too much fantasyNo you don't have to much fantasy because I actually had the same thought back when we were discussing going to the media about ElvisandMJ.com viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12404&p=207325#p207325Re: TIAI 7/14by Im_convincedmjalive » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:37 pm Im_convincedmjalive wrote: jacilovesmichael wrote:Whether you're an Elvis fan or whether or not you care about his death, it doesn't change the probability that Michael is a fan of his and that Michael learned a lot from the 'death' of Elvis. That is undeniable. And try telling an Elvis fan or and Elvis hoaxer that you don't care and you'll be put in your place real fast JUST like MJ fans/hoaxers. It doesn't matter what WE personally think, Michael created this hoax and if Elvis was an inspiration for him then we must embrace that no matter what we believe and no matter what we are comfortable with.Agree...When I was doing research into the ARK, 777, and The End Times "warnings", part of my research was finding this Revelation. I wondered "Who" might the two witnesses be?Now in relation to the "Why Elvis" and connecting it to Michael, reading this Revelation below and insert Elvis and Michael's names where the witnesses goes and read description and it makes sense.Elvis is very spiritual and so is Michael. Making the truth known to the world about Elvis is about more than just a bam..it is about "the troot will prevail" in ALL things.PeaceRevelation 11 (Amplified Bible)Revelation 111 A REED [as a measuring rod] was then given to me, [shaped] like a staff, and I was told: Rise up and measure the sanctuary of God and the altar [of incense], and [number] those who worship there.2 But leave out of your measuring the court outside the sanctuary of God; omit that, for it is given over to the Gentiles (the nations), and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months (three and one-half years).3 And I will grant the power of prophecy to My two witnesses for 1,260 (42 months; three and one-half years), dressed in sackcloth.4 These [witnesses] are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth.5 And if anyone attempts to injure them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their enemies; if anyone should attempt to harm them, thus he is doomed to be slain. [II Kings 1:10; Jer. 5:14.]6 These [two witnesses] have power to shut up the sky, so that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying (their prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph); and they also have power to turn the waters into blood and to smite and scourge the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they choose.7 But when they have finished their testimony and their evidence is all in, the beast (monster) that comes up out of the Abyss (bottomless pit) will wage war on them, and conquer them and kill them.8 And their dead bodies [will lie exposed] in the open street [(a public square) of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called [by the mystical and allegorical names of] Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.9 For three and a half days men from the races and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and will not allow them to be put in a tomb.10 And those who dwell on the earth will gloat and exult over them and rejoice exceedingly, taking their ease and sending presents [in congratulation] to one another, because these two prophets had been such a vexation and trouble and torment to all the dwellers on the earth.11 But after three and a half days, by God's gift the breath of life again entered into them, and they rose up on their feet, and great dread and terror fell on those who watched them.12 Then [the two witnesses] heard a strong voice from heaven calling to them, Come up here! And before the very eyes of their enemies they ascended into heaven in a cloud. [II Kings 2:11.]viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426For those who are interested in more information on 777, Ark of the Covenant, etc. please see link above. I apologize for the rough nature of the work. hee hee, I was a newbie in study and my thoughts scattered as I wrote. I added alot of my personality in my posts and maybe it will seem frivolous, sorry.There is alot of good info already compiled in that link above. Many members contributed to the investigation. I am glad to see this turn in events. There is probably alot of missing info and perhaps TS will address this in the future. Thanks in advance TS.Peace
by Im_convincedmjalive » Wed Dec 22, 2010 4:43 pm nefertari wrote:Revelation 11:3 (King James Version)3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?Or I have too much fantasyNo you don't have to much fantasy because I actually had the same thought back when we were discussing going to the media about ElvisandMJ.com viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12404&p=207325#p207325Re: TIAI 7/14by Im_convincedmjalive » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:37 pm Im_convincedmjalive wrote: jacilovesmichael wrote:Whether you're an Elvis fan or whether or not you care about his death, it doesn't change the probability that Michael is a fan of his and that Michael learned a lot from the 'death' of Elvis. That is undeniable. And try telling an Elvis fan or and Elvis hoaxer that you don't care and you'll be put in your place real fast JUST like MJ fans/hoaxers. It doesn't matter what WE personally think, Michael created this hoax and if Elvis was an inspiration for him then we must embrace that no matter what we believe and no matter what we are comfortable with.Agree...When I was doing research into the ARK, 777, and The End Times "warnings", part of my research was finding this Revelation. I wondered "Who" might the two witnesses be?Now in relation to the "Why Elvis" and connecting it to Michael, reading this Revelation below and insert Elvis and Michael's names where the witnesses goes and read description and it makes sense.Elvis is very spiritual and so is Michael. Making the truth known to the world about Elvis is about more than just a bam..it is about "the troot will prevail" in ALL things.PeaceRevelation 11 (Amplified Bible)Revelation 111 A REED [as a measuring rod] was then given to me, [shaped] like a staff, and I was told: Rise up and measure the sanctuary of God and the altar [of incense], and [number] those who worship there.2 But leave out of your measuring the court outside the sanctuary of God; omit that, for it is given over to the Gentiles (the nations), and they will trample the holy city underfoot for 42 months (three and one-half years).3 And I will grant the power of prophecy to My two witnesses for 1,260 (42 months; three and one-half years), dressed in sackcloth.4 These [witnesses] are the two olive trees and the two lampstands which stand before the Lord of the earth.5 And if anyone attempts to injure them, fire pours from their mouth and consumes their enemies; if anyone should attempt to harm them, thus he is doomed to be slain. [II Kings 1:10; Jer. 5:14.]6 These [two witnesses] have power to shut up the sky, so that no rain may fall during the days of their prophesying (their prediction of events relating to Christ's kingdom and its speedy triumph); and they also have power to turn the waters into blood and to smite and scourge the earth with all manner of plagues as often as they choose.7 But when they have finished their testimony and their evidence is all in, the beast (monster) that comes up out of the Abyss (bottomless pit) will wage war on them, and conquer them and kill them.8 And their dead bodies [will lie exposed] in the open street [(a public square) of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called [by the mystical and allegorical names of] Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.9 For three and a half days men from the races and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and will not allow them to be put in a tomb.10 And those who dwell on the earth will gloat and exult over them and rejoice exceedingly, taking their ease and sending presents [in congratulation] to one another, because these two prophets had been such a vexation and trouble and torment to all the dwellers on the earth.11 But after three and a half days, by God's gift the breath of life again entered into them, and they rose up on their feet, and great dread and terror fell on those who watched them.12 Then [the two witnesses] heard a strong voice from heaven calling to them, Come up here! And before the very eyes of their enemies they ascended into heaven in a cloud. [II Kings 2:11.]viewtopic.php?f=72&t=12426For those who are interested in more information on 777, Ark of the Covenant, etc. please see link above. I apologize for the rough nature of the work. hee hee, I was a newbie in study and my thoughts scattered as I wrote. I added alot of my personality in my posts and maybe it will seem frivolous, sorry.There is alot of good info already compiled in that link above. Many members contributed to the investigation. I am glad to see this turn in events. There is probably alot of missing info and perhaps TS will address this in the future. Thanks in advance TS.
by ~Souza~ » Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:52 am There is religion and there is faith. IMO those are two seperate things. I think the majority of the people in this world have faith, believe in something, however they call it, that protects them and that influences their ways of living. I don't name it, because using 'God' always reminds me of the people around me who are completely brainwashed and controlled by their religion, but I think I mean the same as when someoen else talks about God. If you say this is a board about Michael Jackson, then talking about faith and God is inevitable. Michael believes in God and reads the Bible. He uses the Bible and his faith for this hoax, so it can not be ignored. The Bible redirects can be interesting for anyone who is not religious as well, because it's the way you interpretate the scriptures and use them in your own life. Many parts in the Bible have great life lessons in them, if only you can read between the lines. Besides all that, if someone wants a hoax exactly the way he or she wants, he or she should hoax his or her own death. This is his death hoax and who are we to tell him how he should hoax his death?
by nefertari » Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:06 pm Revelation 11:3 (King James Version)3And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and They Shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, Clothed in Sackcloth.June 2009-December 2012 ... are exactly three and a half years. Is there any connection here?Or I have too much fantasy
@DonteRJackson: love is my religion & the earth is my church
Quote from: "MsTrinity333" The book of Revelation is one of the first books I read & studied after becoming a Christian. Chuck Missler is one of the best teachers I've ever listened to concerning a verse by verse breakdown of Genesis, Daniel's 70th Week, Revelation, & the Anti-Christ's End Time System...which encompasses Three areas: Spiritual/End Time Religion, End Time Government, & the Economy = (NWO). I wish I could find a video of him teaching the the verses dealing with the Seals specifically, but it's not available on YT. Well it's not videos, it's audio, but is this more like what you were referencing?You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The book of Revelation is one of the first books I read & studied after becoming a Christian. Chuck Missler is one of the best teachers I've ever listened to concerning a verse by verse breakdown of Genesis, Daniel's 70th Week, Revelation, & the Anti-Christ's End Time System...which encompasses Three areas: Spiritual/End Time Religion, End Time Government, & the Economy = (NWO). I wish I could find a video of him teaching the the verses dealing with the Seals specifically, but it's not available on YT.
1-18. The End of This TIAI UpdateIf you don’t want to believe in the end of the world, and/or you don’t want to be religious: that is your right; Michael respects your right, and God respects your right. However, just because you have a right to be non-religious, does not mean that Michael is not very religious.Do not dismiss TIAI, under the claim that it is too religious, merely because you yourself are not religious. If you can document that what I have presented is not what MJ believes, then please do so; but if not, then don’t say that TIAI isn’t Michael’s message (unless of course you’d rather listen to “Sweet Home Alabama” on the jukebox).
Please encourage other hoaxers to read this update, especially the ones who have doubted or even opposed TIAI. Because once the opposition to MJ’s message has gone away, then MJ will be ready to “Return”!
What I have done, is worked hard to promote truth about MJ: “the truth will prevail”! I’m only trying to help spread the truth, Michael’s message, and help people be ready for the end of the world—nothing more, and nothing less. If that is a crime, then I will be the first one to eagerly plead guilty.
(anyone else have a feeling that TS has been heaping on the religious stuff lately due to people bitching about it? lol TS is kind of defiant methinks, and definitely confident. anyone else also get the idea that TS is trying to cull the herd a little? reduce the passive believers if you will...)
Thanks Wendy I was trying not to offend anyone.Fail.lol.