Lisa Marie Presley and Michael Jackson's 18-month marriage i

[shelby61]

I may take a little heat for this but here goes.  I 100% agree with Cassi and GramsGirl.  I really believe that Michael and Lisa were very much in love at the time of their marriage.     I really don't think it is very fair on our part to be ripping her apart.  She admitted in that interview that she was young and stubborn but so was Michael.   With age comes wisdom (so the saying goes), and what I saw in the Oprah interview was a woman who has matured and since Michael's "death" she has come to realize just how much he meant to her. I also believe that she still loves him and in retrospect wishes that things had gone differently.  She openly admitted that she was hurt and angry after the break up and did things to hurt Michael as he did to her.  Having a baby with another woman is a very hurtful act in my opinion.  Don't get me wrong, I love Michael with all my heart but like was said in Cassi's post he is human.  ... "

I agree with you.  She already had children.  She knew how upset her children were when she split from her first husband for MJ and she did not want to put another child or children through that again, she was mature and level-headed enough to make that decision.  Michael on the other hand wanted to have a child with her and maybe more children.  I think he said he wanted a big family.  Maybe that just wasn't in the cards for LMP.  We can't judge someone's actions based on what the media says.  There may have been more to it.  It is obvious that LM saw more about the day to day life with Michael that she wanted to  make sure that it was the right decision.  Eighteen months is not a long time to get to know someone especially making an important decision as to having a baby with them.  We see that situation all the time in mainstream America - people having kids and then splitting up...etc.  I think she truly had feelings for him and vice versa.  We need to let them both heal.  Isn't this all about LOVE, Healing, Compassion and Peace??

[MJ King Of Pop]

LMP was (stills is?) with the scientology church. Maybe she wanted him to join it as well, before she would have his baby and he refused.

I seriously doubt that. If that were the case, she would've said that. With LM, you just never know I mean she knew that he wanted children BEFORE she'd married him. Why marry him if you knew that you weren't interested in having children with him, nor completely over your ex?  I followed this "marriage" as it ran its course, LMP and her mother are opportunists who are always looking for relevancy. Pricilla (sp) was NEVER happy about their union and even once insinuated that MJ actually wanted something from her other than love. Also, she made a mockery of their marriage when she talked about it, and she never took a stand in his favor during the trial. I wasn't impressed wit her interview, and I certainly didn't believe much of what she'd said. She simply looked as if she's inundated with guilt because he's "gone" and she took the experience with him for granted.

  firstly
she is still with the scientology church.
secondly
i also did not belive much of the inteview i don't think she loved michael and i think it was pricilla tat got her to go wit him for the church.I was reading Hello Magazien and they had interveiw with LMP it was a week after mikes 'death' she said she cried so so so hard i just can't belive tat she didn't love him when they were together y only when he 'dies' she loves him to bits

[all4loveandbelieve]

I may take a little heat for this but here goes.  I 100% agree with Cassi and GramsGirl.  I really believe that Michael and Lisa were very much in love at the time of their marriage.     I really don't think it is very fair on our part to be ripping her apart.  She admitted in that interview that she was young and stubborn but so was Michael.   With age comes wisdom (so the saying goes), and what I saw in the Oprah interview was a woman who has matured and since Michael's "death" she has come to realize just how much he meant to her. I also believe that she still loves him and in retrospect wishes that things had gone differently.  She openly admitted that she was hurt and angry after the break up and did things to hurt Michael as he did to her.  Having a baby with another woman is a very hurtful act in my opinion.  Don't get me wrong, I love Michael with all my heart but like was said in Cassi's post he is human.  He is not perfect.  So when I see all these posts bashing Lisa  it makes me upset.  Everyone seems to think that Michael can do no wrong.  To me that is being very unrealistic.  So to protect the image of perfection that everyone seems to have of him they have to bring someone else down.  How can anyone be so judgemental when all people are going by is speculation?  Hasn't anything been learned about not judging without facts?  Bottom line is no one knows except Lisa and Michael what happened in that marriage.  So to assume that she is solely at fault and a terrible person is wrong.

I hope this does not offend anyone because that was not the intent, just stating how I feel about this.

Love and Blessings

I always say it takes 2 to tango. They were both at fault. Nobody mellow out and so this what happens. But I also know about scientology, once you have a child both parents have to be in the same sciencetology church. This is what Michael did not want to do.
Blessings

[MissG]

Scientology is a dangerous cult. I am still not understanding how people can fall in to the Xenu story as something to believe in.
I posted loooooong ago a warning info about that cult as well, but I believe it was at the other forum (and here also?) and, as well, went unnoticed.

That sect seems to be very powerful and having famous people as role models is not a good sign. Some people looks up at them and follow the example.

It was said that MJ joined scientology, but I never found any proof about it. It were just rumors.

If LMP broke free from it, I am very happy for her.

[suspicious mind]

Personally, I grow a little weary of Lisa being constantly given a hard time by Michael's fans.


For one she WAS prepared to give him children but she wanted to make sure that the marriage was sound first..She wanted to make sure that she and Michael were on the same wave length and that clearly wasn't happening. She also mentioned that she did not want to go up against Michael in a custody battle and I can understand that.

I like Lisa very much and I always have..She is honest and tells it like it is..Debbie Rowe is also the same..I think Michael must have found that kind of quality attractive in women. Both of his wives are strong gutsy ladies and I admire them both.

Lisa did lash out in the past in various interviews about Michael but it is obvious why...She was angry and hurt.
She admitted that and she regrets it and she is sorry.

You have to remember that when someone is operating at that level of celebrity like Michael and even Elvis Presley was it is sometimes too easy to lose touch with reality and the real world..And Michael had no idea about living in the real world as the 'Superstar' title had come to him at a very young age..Like Elvis, Michael had people at his beck and call and as Lisa rightly said it was either HIS WAY or the highway.

He probably did taunt her about Debbie and how she was willing to have his child..Lisa probably felt pressured. The thing is that we don't know how hard Michael was to live with..Lisa has admitted to being stubborn herself.

I don't think either of them had hidden agendas..I don't think Lisa wanted Michael to join Scientology and I don't believe that Michael wanted the Elvis catalogue either..I think they did love each other very much but it just went wrong..

ok wait a minute the estate still has control of elvis  catalog :?  i though michael had that included in what he owned .what are the details of all that? sorry but i got to the movie late here

[friendlikeme81]

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[suspicious mind]

maybe what they had was alot of empathy and passion for one another. which perhaps makes for either a great friendship or hot affair but not so good a marriage

[MJ King Of Pop]

Scientology is a dangerous cult. I am still not understanding how people can fall in to the Xenu story as something to believe in.
I posted loooooong ago a warning info about that cult as well, but I believe it was at the other forum (and here also?) and, as well, went unnoticed.

That sect seems to be very powerful and having famous people as role models is not a good sign. Some people looks up at them and follow the example.

It was said that MJ joined scientology, but I never found any proof about it. It were just rumors.

If LMP broke free from it, I am very happy for her.

i agree scientology is very very very dangerous.I would be very happy for her if she broke free from it but unfortanly shes still part of it :roll:

[alovesmichael]

i know many may not agree, but i think those two were really in love.  I also think that both of them were dominate. michael wanted to be boss, lisa marie wanted to be boss, and maybe they let their stubborness get in the way, neither one of them was going to give in first, and i think it cost them their marriage. i love michael ,but i know he's human like the rest of us.  he has stated he wanted a baby so bad he would walk around with dolls, and maybe lisa wanted to have a baby when she wanted to (bullheaded), but not before she was ready to be pregnant, and give birth again. I have always had a love/hate relationship with lisa, but after her sincere oprah interview, i am back at love.  i dont have the right to judge their relationship, because that was something between them, but i do think this was a real loving marriage, with 2 people who loved eachother, but neither one refused to be the first to back down (strong personalities)

2nd that. You know sometimes things are just as simple as that (or as complicated as in this case) with no need for further questioning in order to have things to speculate about, even in the case of MJ and LMP.

[PinkTopaz]

Personally, I grow a little weary of Lisa being constantly given a hard time by Michael's fans.


For one she WAS prepared to give him children but she wanted to make sure that the marriage was sound first..She wanted to make sure that she and Michael were on the same wave length and that clearly wasn't happening. She also mentioned that she did not want to go up against Michael in a custody battle and I can understand that.

I like Lisa very much and I always have..She is honest and tells it like it is..Debbie Rowe is also the same..I think Michael must have found that kind of quality attractive in women. Both of his wives are strong gutsy ladies and I admire them both.

Lisa did lash out in the past in various interviews about Michael but it is obvious why...She was angry and hurt.
She admitted that and she regrets it and she is sorry.

You have to remember that when someone is operating at that level of celebrity like Michael and even Elvis Presley was it is sometimes too easy to lose touch with reality and the real world..And Michael had no idea about living in the real world as the 'Superstar' title had come to him at a very young age..Like Elvis, Michael had people at his beck and call and as Lisa rightly said it was either HIS WAY or the highway.

He probably did taunt her about Debbie and how she was willing to have his child..Lisa probably felt pressured. The thing is that we don't know how hard Michael was to live with..Lisa has admitted to being stubborn herself.

I don't think either of them had hidden agendas..I don't think Lisa wanted Michael to join Scientology and I don't believe that Michael wanted the Elvis catalogue either..I think they did love each other very much but it just went wrong..

Though I'm not an MJ fan I do want to reply to your post.

I personally do not have an opinion about Lisa Marie.  I just observe, read, listen and watch.  I don't know if she's telling the truth and only if you're a personal friend of her then you would know if she is indeed honest.

You wrote "For one she WAS prepared to give him children but she wanted to make sure that the marriage was sound first.", but we do not know for a fact if that was her actual 'condition'.

Her being with the scientology church shines a different light on the whole issue.  Scientology church brainwashes people and therefor their members are under some sort of mind control.  If you are familiar with mind control then you know that people who are under mind control do things they would not have done without being mind controlled.  Therefor MJ joining the scientology church before she would have his baby could have been a realistic 'condition', even if she loved him.

In case this indeed would have been Lisa Marie's 'condition' for having children with Mike and she set that condition due to being mind controlled, then I'd say she can't be held accountable for it.

I don't know if they loved each other, it's non of my business and therefor I won't even go into that.

That's very, very depressing.. kind of like if only it weren't for the existence of that cult, they would have been fine..I wonder if it makes him angry..

[anewfan]

I have often wondered if the reason she didn't have a child with MJ was because he had told her of his plans to hoax his death. In her blog, the day after he died, she said that they had talked about her father's death and that MJ feared he would end up the same as her father. ("The scenario", I believe she called it.) Do you think it's a possibility that she just simply did not want her child to go through what she went through as a child?

[MJ King Of Pop]

I have often wondered if the reason she didn't have a child with MJ was because he had told her of his plans to hoax his death. In her blog, the day after he died, she said that they had talked about her father's death and that MJ feared he would end up the same as her father. ("The scenario", I believe she called it.) Do you think it's a possibility that she just simply did not want her child to go through what she went through as a child?

she has always said they talked bout tat but i don't think mike would have told her cause she part of the scientolgy church

[mjboogie]

ALso let us remember that interview MJ gave with the Rabbi he said that LMP had PROMISED him that the first order of business would be for her to get pregnant soon as they Married. SO LMP PROMISED (go back over that interview) then soooon as she got that big rock on her hand all of a sudden she did not fulfill that promise.



Maybe LMP should not have mislead MJ the way she did. She should have simply stated to him a set time to have children when they felt the time was right. She KNEW Mj wanted a huge family (he comes from one!) He has always stated his love of children so.........IDK :?

[hesouttamylife]

Dedicated to Lisa Marie,  Oprah, Sneddon, Bashir and all of Michael Jackson's haters.  If you did him wrong, move over cuz you gets no love [youtube:bo9sog4v]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbQhKxxrq04&feature=related[/youtube:bo9sog4v]

[reading_on]

I do think they were in love. It was in the body language when they thought no one was looking. It is in her eyes. I like the interview with her. It felt to me like she was trying to wash the bad away, let people know that she really really loves him not just loved him. It has to be complicated to be a celebrity.

On Scientology. They spoke of it during Primetime Live with Diane Sawyer way back when,and Micheal firmly denied joining, but that did seem to waiver the fact the Lisa said there would be children.
The one thing that soured that interview was when Diane asked Michael if he was planning on adopting Lisa's children. Diane pushed and pushed until it looked like Michael was put in a bad position and then said yes. Lisa was not comfortable with that, and rightfully so, the point was, they had a living involved biological father. I really don't think Michael meant to say yes to that, it looked like a pushed confused question.

 Further on Scientology.. craziest thing that is accepted as real. End of story