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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 04:37:20 AM
Quote from: "bella"
ok Whitesocks, of course its possible that some bad guys are offended because Michael refused to convert to the Islam and its possible that they threaten him so he has to escape.
But there isn't a proof anywhere? It's just a possibility, right?

We have no proof what is really going on. Nor do we have solid proof Michael is alive.
We are all here because we have serious doubts and we are all working on a big puzzle. I think what i have mentioned is a piece of the puzzle and i want to share these thoughts.
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 04:57:42 AM
Quote from: "Whitesocks"
We have no proof what is really going on. Nor do we have solid proof Michael is alive.
We are all here because we have serious doubts and we are all working on a big puzzle. I think what i have mentioned is a piece of the puzzle and i want to share these thoughts.

hey, of course - sorry, don't get me wrong :)
I just wanted to know if there are hints or more informations for this supposition. Please share your thougts furthermore!!
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 04:58:50 AM
With all due respect I am a little disappointed with this post. It is all hearsay and just sounds to me wild ramblings. I think Michael has or had more power, protection and sense to get into a dangerous position with fundamental extremists as you have suggested. Also Jermaine is muslim but he is his Brother and although Jermaine can be a bit of a twit (to say the least!) to suggest that Michael was in danger from islamic extremists and saying as his Brother is Muslim hold some clout in this assumption is far fetched. As for Thome Thome- I could be wrong but I think he MAY (am not saying he is guys!) be in on the hoax. He has been photographed with Jermaine recently a lot and Michael made it very public knowledge about the sacking and falling out with him. As I said I am not sure for this but to suggest Michael was in danger from the jihad-well!!!........and with no substantial proof???? He was an entertainer, a pacifist, not some leader of a far eastern Arab country in conflict. Indeed it wouldn't surprise me if the extermists deep down perhaps held a little respect for him. Everyone loves music-even the bad guys!
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 05:12:20 AM
BTW, we don´t really know if he is a muslim or not. Cause he never denied it and he never said what belief he said. He only said he believes in God. And I don´t care about what his brothers say.
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Grace

Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 05:23:31 AM
Strong limitations to our search for truth are the techniques, structures, contents and availabilities of information dwelling in the web.

This implies that we search truth outside of us.
This implies that we seek external prop.
This implies that we are feeling weak inside.

These three are giving a perfect ground for the seeds of doubt, fear, disbelief, suspicion, accusal, mobbing, betrayal, aggression and war.
This is the perfect ground for tabloids, spuring individuals, falsifying media, swearing preachers, blind, deaf and dumb passive followers and active members.
The label does not matter at all - whether it is NWO, Illuminati, Capitalism, Socialism, Jihad, liberation fight, dictatorship, III Reich, depopulation, racism, territorial conflicts, ressources' duels, atomic threatening, bioterrorism, international terrorism, whatever you like to add.

Whenever we are giving ourselves up and away to the outside, whenever we are not developping internal love, self-confidence, decisive strength and positive will, we are giving power to others and allow them to rule our lives from birth to death and beyond.

The answers are cristal clear and you know them already.
Go and do something about it - change yourself, the only person you can change.

Don't complain about others and what others do to you and how others threaten you and how others treat you. If you don't treat yourself nice what do you expect others to do with you?

It does not matter at all how much we speculate about if MJ was in danger or who was threatening him.
I think it is a shame that we don't trust Michael enough that he did the right things in his life. I think it is a shame we don't love him enough to let him go and be and take his time.
I think it is a shame we blame this and that and all and nothing for his disappearance but not think one second that this was HIS PURPOSE and HIS FREE WILL with a loving heart to do us more good than we ever thought he would want for us.

Whatever you like to believe was an outside initial impact to what happened - the truth contains 360° and not only 1°.

The truth is living inside of you and is not about external war.
This striving for truth is unlimited and an unbelievable miraculous adventure.

Learn

discOver

inVestigate

determinE

Sending you lots of sunbeams and raindrops.
Enjoy yourself on this journey - there's no reason not to.
L.O.V.E.
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Create your day. Create the most astounding year of your life. Be the change you want to see in the world! L.O.V.E.
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 05:37:44 AM
Oh god... Here I go again and no, Im not looking for trouble. I just want to explain a few things. There are approximately 50 countries that are mainly based on the faith of islam and the countries you see on television have been narrated down to approximately 4 (Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Somalia: countries with lots of trouble and corruption). To suggest that all countries have no freedom, have terrorism problems and stoning laws is not right. A country being corrupt has little do to with its religion and more to do with its political leaders and dictatorship. About 5 countries out of these 50 practice the laws of stoning as punishment. In all other countries, its uncommon or practically non existant. Muslim countries are not the only ones who practice death-penalties as you might already know (and let me just say I am totally againts war and extremists and death penalties). But you say you dont want to offend people but thats exactly what you are doing. You are putting everything in the same category. Extremists is one thing and religious countries another. Just because Thome Thome happens to be a bad guy has nothing to do with where he comes from or what country he comes from. There have been bad people in Michaels life before he went to Bahrain also.

Have you ever been or lived in a muslim country? I have. And the country Ive been at has little in common with war conflicted muslim countries. Not all of them are conflicted with war and corruption like we see with Iraq.

Its really ignorant to say that George Bush went to Afghanistan or Iraq to end terror. I actually think that was the last thing on his mind. (Oil?) And it only made things worse for this world. George Bush did more harm than good in my opinion and due to the ongoing wars more children and women AND SOLDIERS were killed than any form of extremists terrorists. Did he find Usama Bin Laden? No. But he managed to kill lots of americans, iraqi children and other civilans.

I have a friend who came as a refugee from Iran and she's lived where I live for 2 years now and the problems in her country have more to do with corrupt politics than tradition and religion, her friend who was a male age 23 was tortured 2 weeks ago by police men because he demonstrated a second time in the green revolution to the point where when he was released he committed suicide due to the things he endured. This had nothing to do with religion. But corruption and power.

Lets look at Burma... A country that is based on buddism and munks. They suffer severe corruption and the people are under immense pressure and depression, killings occur on regular basis but these countries do not get peoples attention because their regime is not based on islam.

I also have a friend who is a refugee from Iraq who's seen dead bodies on the street for several years at a time and let me tell you one thing.... They do not worship Saddam Hussein or see him as a saint, Saddams Power had nothing to do with islam, he was a dictator and mentally ill. Also, when the war started in Iraq, it made people feel more hopeless than ever before and suicide mass killings increased because of the war. People felt like there was no hope left. And thats why they increased. There are extremists everywhere, take nazis for example who worship the dead Adolf Hitler. This thread is more about preaching islamophobia in my opinion and it has nothing to do with Michael Jackson.

I think also Michael Jackson is the last person Jihad is looking for. And Michael studied all forms of religion, he wanted to connect with every corner of the world. Jehovas Witnesses, Christianity, Judism, Islam and other forms of faith. Michael wanted knowledge about everything in this world. Not just islam.

If we continue to think ''its us againts them'' then our world will never heal. We need to join together as a world and set all these mindsets aside for a while and think We are the world. There is no-us-againts-them. This mentality is damaging and only increases peoples fears of other cultures. We need to stop looking at ourselves like one country against another country. We are all from the same planet. Michaels message was about breaking barriers and connecting to the world outside of your own and getting to know people from all religions and countries. Please dont close that door on Michaels message of love and unity. Fear isnt going to solve anyhing.

Ok Im done now. Im not going to bother replying anymore to this thread.
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JUST BECAUSE YOU READ IT IN THE MAGASINE OR SEE IT ON THE TV-SCREEN DONT MAKE IT FACTUAL.

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Grace

Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 05:52:32 AM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
This thread is more about preaching islamophobia in my opinion and it has nothing to do with Michael Jackson.

I think also Michael Jackson is the last person Jihad is looking for. And Michael studied all forms of religion, he wanted to connect with every corner of the world. Jehovas Witnesses, Christianity, Judism, Islam and other forms of faith. Michael wanted knowledge about everything in this world. Not just islam.

Ok Im done now. Im not going to bother replying anymore to this thread.

Thank you.
I have been to an islamic country, too, and met the most warm welcoming people there suffering more from corruption and clan protection than from any other thing.
They were the most tolerant persons I met in my life.

L.O.V.E.
Grace
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Create your day. Create the most astounding year of your life. Be the change you want to see in the world! L.O.V.E.
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"I am tired, I am really tired of manipulation." Michael Jackson, Harlem, New York, NY, July 6, 2002
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******* Let's tear the walls in the brains of this world down.*******

Time to BE.

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Eva R

Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 06:05:07 AM
more people should be like Michael. He wanted to just connect the whole world. <3 When some people think about Islam, they think about terrorists. But that's not true! That is so stupid... Islam is just the same as Christianity, Judaism and stuff...
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 06:14:54 AM
I don't think we shoud disregard this theory!
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"–The Santa Maria Police Department was worried that Jackson’s April 30, 2004, arraignment could provide a target for terrorists."


Michael...L.O.V.E.*   December 22nd, 2009 10:08 pm ET

@ Shaun

There is a lot of significance. Among the significant things that are revealed is the possibility that the FBI and authorities helped me this time due to a terrorist threat at my upcoming concerts. All will be revealed in time. I love you more.


 
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The FBI concluded there were no threats but did note the presence in an early court appearance of "The Nation of Islam, represented by its security unit Fruits of Islam," and of a New Black Panther Party member whose name was left blank in the files.

Jackson used Nation of Islam bodyguards during the legal proceedings.



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The files also include notes from the FBI's investigation of a man who sent letters threatening to kill Jackson and President George H.W. Bush in 1992. The man pleaded guilty and was sent to a federal prison, the FBI said.

So, we should look more into this!
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 06:20:18 AM
I'm sorry, but I don't think you're looking in the right direction. IMO it's too farfetched.
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 07:25:31 AM
Quote from: Lady J
BTW, we don´t really know if he is a muslim or not. :oops: sorry wrong post
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"If you\'re willing to change the world let LOVE be your energy"

Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 07:56:08 AM
Quote from: "DontBelieveTheHype"
If we continue to think ''its us againts them'' then our world will never heal. We need to join together as a world and set all these mindsets aside for a while and think We are the world. There is no-us-againts-them. This mentality is damaging and only increases peoples fears of other cultures. We need to stop looking at ourselves like one country against another country. We are all from the same planet. Michaels message was about breaking barriers and connecting to the world outside of your own and getting to know people from all religions and countries. Please dont close that door on Michaels message of love and unity. Fear isnt going to solve anyhing.

Love what you said here!!  :mrgreen:
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 09:14:17 AM
:roll:
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 09:43:59 AM
Whitesocks,Were not you in brief about the opinion Archangel Michael?
Well then, these contributions?
I do not quite understand
I ask only because it makes me confused ......
Which theory now?

I tell with love
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Re: sorry to post this
December 23, 2009, 09:52:20 AM
Go to the timeout corner...NOW! :lol:

Quote from: "tinker_bell"
So he's not Archangel Mikael anymore????  :shock: And he's not running away from NWO (which i presume has nothing to do with Islam anyho)???

sorry! sometimes it's just too hard to refrain!  :P
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