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Quote from: "suspicious mind"Quote from: "~Souza~"Hmmmm, some in my family are JW's and I have never heard of those monitors. Looks to me as if they were handlers instead, but that aside.Mike didn't want to be anyone's slave anymore, he broke free from that in the 80's. Being a dedicated JW is also slavery, if you are not even able to make your own decisions in life. Faith has nothing to do with living up to rules that some men have come up with, it comes from within yourself. All people should be able to do whatever they want in life, as long as they respect other's lives as well. We don't need men in dresses or 10 commandments to tell us what is good and what is evil, every human being is very capable of seeing that difference themselves. We should all be able to believe whatever we want, without boundaries. I believe Mike believes that as well, and that that is the reason he left the JW's and that is also why I don't believe he converted himself to the Islam. In every religion there is a part that tells you what to do or what not to do. If you don't live up exactly to those rules, they have punishments for you... I call that slavery.maybe this will sound stupid but it won't be the first time. since you a little familiar with jw. there has been some stir in the news over the last year about the treatment recieved by people who leave the scientology sect (?) is there any indication that you know of that some type of retaliation could come from jw for leaving or that maybe something could have come at him from scientology after he was involved with lisa? just something i have wondered about . if you or anyone else has any idea. :?I am not familiar with the scientology sect, so I can't answer that. I only know that one of my nephews was abandoned by his own mother, because he didn't want to be a JW. He has had many problems in life and last time I heard he had some serious issues because of this. They waited for this to happen, he was so vulnarable and broken down that now he is a devoted JW. They broke him to convert and enslave him. I know he would have never wanted this, but he wasn't strong enough and too many people let him down. I don't have contact with them, not for years. I have never felt love at that house, and they only supported the kids that lived up to their dreams and were devoted JW's. They don't like me, I am too free and I have my own opinion and I am nothing, a nobody in their eyes. So I don't have good experiences with JW's. I am not saying they are all like that, I am saying I witnessed some devoted ones and I didn't like what I saw. Same goes for some of the Islamic beliefs that suppress women's right or christian beliefs that say I go to hell because I'm not a christian and don't idolize some guy in a dress on a balcony. Religion is slavery, and faith or believing in God, or good and evil for that matter, has nothing to do with a religion. If God loves all people equally, he doesn't give a f**k if you go to church every Sunday. I think he would rather want you to do something useful for others in that time. Men built churches, not God. If we would all realize that actually what every person on this planet desires is to live in peace and health and respecting each other, it doesn't matter what you believe and that there is no need to get people to join your gang. God didn't invent religion, religion was created out of greed and the hunger for power (religion causes war, war creates $$$) and I am sure it was never God's intention for people to fight over it. Hate me for this if you want but if you do, ask yourself why you would hate me for this."In time we hate that which we often fear."~William Shakespeare~
Quote from: "~Souza~"Hmmmm, some in my family are JW's and I have never heard of those monitors. Looks to me as if they were handlers instead, but that aside.Mike didn't want to be anyone's slave anymore, he broke free from that in the 80's. Being a dedicated JW is also slavery, if you are not even able to make your own decisions in life. Faith has nothing to do with living up to rules that some men have come up with, it comes from within yourself. All people should be able to do whatever they want in life, as long as they respect other's lives as well. We don't need men in dresses or 10 commandments to tell us what is good and what is evil, every human being is very capable of seeing that difference themselves. We should all be able to believe whatever we want, without boundaries. I believe Mike believes that as well, and that that is the reason he left the JW's and that is also why I don't believe he converted himself to the Islam. In every religion there is a part that tells you what to do or what not to do. If you don't live up exactly to those rules, they have punishments for you... I call that slavery.maybe this will sound stupid but it won't be the first time. since you a little familiar with jw. there has been some stir in the news over the last year about the treatment recieved by people who leave the scientology sect (?) is there any indication that you know of that some type of retaliation could come from jw for leaving or that maybe something could have come at him from scientology after he was involved with lisa? just something i have wondered about . if you or anyone else has any idea. :?
Hmmmm, some in my family are JW's and I have never heard of those monitors. Looks to me as if they were handlers instead, but that aside.Mike didn't want to be anyone's slave anymore, he broke free from that in the 80's. Being a dedicated JW is also slavery, if you are not even able to make your own decisions in life. Faith has nothing to do with living up to rules that some men have come up with, it comes from within yourself. All people should be able to do whatever they want in life, as long as they respect other's lives as well. We don't need men in dresses or 10 commandments to tell us what is good and what is evil, every human being is very capable of seeing that difference themselves. We should all be able to believe whatever we want, without boundaries. I believe Mike believes that as well, and that that is the reason he left the JW's and that is also why I don't believe he converted himself to the Islam. In every religion there is a part that tells you what to do or what not to do. If you don't live up exactly to those rules, they have punishments for you... I call that slavery.
Quote from: "~Souza~"Hmmmm, some in my family are JW's and I have never heard of those monitors. Looks to me as if they were handlers instead, but that aside.Mike didn't want to be anyone's slave anymore, he broke free from that in the 80's. Being a dedicated JW is also slavery, if you are not even able to make your own decisions in life. Faith has nothing to do with living up to rules that some men have come up with, it comes from within yourself. All people should be able to do whatever they want in life, as long as they respect other's lives as well. We don't need men in dresses or 10 commandments to tell us what is good and what is evil, every human being is very capable of seeing that difference themselves. We should all be able to believe whatever we want, without boundaries. I believe Mike believes that as well, and that that is the reason he left the JW's and that is also why I don't believe he converted himself to the Islam. In every religion there is a part that tells you what to do or what not to do. If you don't live up exactly to those rules, they have punishments for you... I call that slavery.Yes, you're right. Being devoted to a religion is "slavery" because you must obey, respect the one you worship. You have to be grateful for what, who you were blessed with in this life and then get reworded for how you've done or get punished for what you've done.. You don't believe in this, so do you believe in the after life? If you do believe in it then haven't you ever been curious of whats the purpose in this life? What's your purpose? Why has God made 2 lives? Why is there good and bad? You said God made everyone equally, meaning we are all human beings, not the equality in what ever religion u believe in.
And again you are right. We don't need "men in dresses" ( I don't know what this has to do with your point, but I know who you are referring to) or 10 commandments to tell you whats good and evil. They don't tell you what to do they are more like a message, a guiding to help you in this life, and to teach you. They did not make it up. It's there for you, it has been sent by God you just have believe it, of course if you have unquestionable proof that its made up by men then of course you will never have complete faith in it. If you don't have proof then thats when you will start looking more and more into it. And then when you really believe in something you have complete faith in it. I'm just expressing my opinion to your post.. I hope you won't feel offended
[youtube:11v3pq84]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfbKrphheQk[/youtube:11v3pq84]God does not live in a church with people telling you what to do.( That's all I have to say)
i will take the story witha grain of salt. consider the source ect. ect.can't help but wonder if the elders were so stricked what they had to say about that half donzen or so Christmas albums the boys put out. an don't forget the pics of the birhday parties for the babies.@it's her: once again you have given me my giggle for the day . i love you