Now this may be truly off the wall (pun intended)

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Now this may be truly off the wall (pun intended)

  • on: April 21, 2011, 11:54:07 AM

This may be off the wall to put this theory out there but could the double have began during the early 1980s? I understand people look different at different angles, different lighting and that could be the case but I saw the picture above and immediately wondered about a possible double. Of course, I could be totally wrong but doesn't hurt to put a theory out there.

Here are some videos from this era as well:

1980
[youtube:3nfiozc9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJb12beoym0[/youtube:3nfiozc9]
[youtube:3nfiozc9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmdIuS6KvTs[/youtube:3nfiozc9]
[youtube:3nfiozc9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HdPPxVaFf4[/youtube:3nfiozc9]

1980/81
[youtube:3nfiozc9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jImFqAwYV7o[/youtube:3nfiozc9]

1981
[youtube:3nfiozc9]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORPmEg4MYeI[/youtube:3nfiozc9]

What do you think? Same person or not?
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I think it's the same picture.  On one he sports the blown out fro.  On others he looks to have gotten a curl and shortened his hair a bit.  The lighting is different as are the angles of the shots.  I don't think he even considered using doubles during those days.  He was basking in the light and enjoying it.  The days before the Dimonds, the Sneddons or the Bashirs.  He was at the top and enjoying every minute of it.
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I am not sure about the double theory.....but these videos are awesome!  I hadn't seen them before and really appreciate you posting them.  Disneyland holds a very special place in my heart....it's one of my favorite places in the world.  I love the 25th anniversary video.....I was tearing up even before he sang the first note.

Thank you again for posting them...I will give it some more thought for sure!

Blessings Always!
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I am not sure about the double theory.....but these videos are awesome!  I hadn't seen them before and really appreciate you posting them.  Disneyland holds a very special place in my heart....it's one of my favorite places in the world.  I love the 25th anniversary video.....I was tearing up even before he sang the first note.

Thank you again for posting them...I will give it some more thought for sure!

Blessings Always!


I do not believe in a double theory. There's no double that looks exactly like Michael. And all of them in these videos is Michael himself and I agree with wishingstar, these videos are amazing. Thank you for posting these. :)
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i have not wanted to go with the idea of a double but something has been going on with this situation for a while. but i think there are some simple factors that play in also .l
the vitaligo, michael's giftedness simply comes with some aspects that have to be worked around: attention span issues would be my guess. as well as temperment. and asynchronic developement. and his desire to have a normal life in some copacity. and i have to wonder if on the business end he wasn't very capable of knowing how to make it just not capable of knowing how to keeps others from causing him to loose it. jmo :D
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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I do believe he used doubles in the latter years.  In Bucharest, he obviously uses a double at the end of Thriller.  Once he turns away and puts on the mask, it's not him.  Look at the body and it's plain to see because the face is covered.  As soon as it's over he's on the cherry picker.  Also I do not believe for one second that he flew out of that arena.  Too much of an insurance risk for that to ever happen.  Never would they risk that kind of dangerous stunt with Michael.
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You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

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   and leaving me Speechless!

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stunt doubles, but i dont think michael used doubles for important events.  i get kinda sad looking at michael from the off the wall/ thriller era because it was a time when he seemed free and happy.  years later it seemed since people did not understand him they tried to make him out to be a weirdo, i cant imagine how michael must have felt  :cry:   but it still didnt stop him from loving and helping people the way Jesus said to.
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stunt doubles, but i dont think michael used doubles for important events.  i get kinda sad looking at michael from the off the wall/ thriller era because it was a time when he seemed free and happy.  years later it seemed since people did not understand him they tried to make him out to be a weirdo, i cant imagine how michael must have felt  :cry:   but it still didnt stop him from loving and helping people the way Jesus said to.

I strongly disagree with that. He was far from free around that time. The moment he became angry was the moment he broke free and started fighting.
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yes in all of the obvious places that any performer would simply have to use them for things to work , of course.i think when anyone refers to using doubles these times should be excluded without question . but i also think in these videos ( at least for me ) he is explaining some things ahead of time that i think will come to light in all of this. his parents also. if you notice early on the family was very open and willing to talk about things but as the situation with michael and all of the bs began to get out of hand they as well as michael became more guarded about what they would say. because they of course knew michaels heart and they knew the position that fast fame had put him in.
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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I remember this old TMZ article....interesting Carlo is the one mentioned.  Wasn't he the impersonator that was hanging around Forest Lawn?

http://www.tmz.com/2010/09/16/tmzs-cele ... gangers/4/

Blessings
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oohhh scariest one i ever saw is a guy named christopher gasper( or gatsper) . i saw it on his facebook i think. so close with the makeup and so very not close at all without it.  :o
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"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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stunt doubles, but i dont think michael used doubles for important events.  i get kinda sad looking at michael from the off the wall/ thriller era because it was a time when he seemed free and happy.  years later it seemed since people did not understand him they tried to make him out to be a weirdo, i cant imagine how michael must have felt  :cry:   but it still didnt stop him from loving and helping people the way Jesus said to.

I strongly disagree with that. He was far from free around that time. The moment he became angry was the moment he broke free and started fighting.

I dont know him personally but he seemed happier to me, because there were no rumors or lies back then that tried to break his spirit.
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stunt doubles, but i dont think michael used doubles for important events.  i get kinda sad looking at michael from the off the wall/ thriller era because it was a time when he seemed free and happy.  years later it seemed since people did not understand him they tried to make him out to be a weirdo, i cant imagine how michael must have felt  :cry:   but it still didnt stop him from loving and helping people the way Jesus said to.

I strongly disagree with that. He was far from free around that time. The moment he became angry was the moment he broke free and started fighting.

I dont know him personally but he seemed happier to me, because there were no rumors or lies back then that tried to break his spirit.

Nail on the head. Back then he was on message, so no one HAD to break him. As soon as he broke free they had to get rid of him. Things aren't always as they seem.
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stunt doubles, but i dont think michael used doubles for important events.  i get kinda sad looking at michael from the off the wall/ thriller era because it was a time when he seemed free and happy.  years later it seemed since people did not understand him they tried to make him out to be a weirdo, i cant imagine how michael must have felt  :cry:   but it still didnt stop him from loving and helping people the way Jesus said to.

I strongly disagree with that. He was far from free around that time. The moment he became angry was the moment he broke free and started fighting.

I dont know him personally but he seemed happier to me, because there were no rumors or lies back then that tried to break his spirit.

Nail on the head. Back then he was on message, so no one HAD to break him. As soon as he broke free they had to get rid of him. Things aren't always as they seem.
interesting . where is it that you get your first indication of the time that he broke free. was it in a particular song or statement or time period. i am still learning about this part of it all.  :?
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"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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stunt doubles, but i dont think michael used doubles for important events.  i get kinda sad looking at michael from the off the wall/ thriller era because it was a time when he seemed free and happy.  years later it seemed since people did not understand him they tried to make him out to be a weirdo, i cant imagine how michael must have felt  :cry:   but it still didnt stop him from loving and helping people the way Jesus said to.

I strongly disagree with that. He was far from free around that time. The moment he became angry was the moment he broke free and started fighting.

I dont know him personally but he seemed happier to me, because there were no rumors or lies back then that tried to break his spirit.

Nail on the head. Back then he was on message, so no one HAD to break him. As soon as he broke free they had to get rid of him. Things aren't always as they seem.
interesting . where is it that you get your first indication of the time that he broke free. was it in a particular song or statement or time period. i am still learning about this part of it all.  :?

Mid-late 80's. Listen to BAD for example. And of course the silent black panther dance says a LOT.
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Seems to me that MJ has always had those tendencies to fight back.It has been a long time since I saw it, but I'm still impressed by a scene in The Jacksons An American Dream where little Mike is at the table and Joe is there larger than life and he looks over and says with foreboding 'whose shoe is that'. Little Mike gets up to put it away but in the scene you can see his resentment building  and then he picks that shoe up and hurls it at Joe with all his might before running for his life. How courageous for such a little boy to stand up like that and knowing what the consequences would most likely be. So, yeah... he's hardwired to fight back I'd say.
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Seems to me that MJ has always had those tendencies to fight back.It has been a long time since I saw it, but I'm still impressed by a scene in The Jacksons An American Dream where little Mike is at the table and Joe is there larger than life and he looks over and says with foreboding 'whose shoe is that'. Little Mike gets up to put it away but in the scene you can see his resentment building  and then he picks that shoe up and hurls it at Joe with all his might before running for his life. How courageous for such a little boy to stand up like that and knowing what the consequences would most likely be. So, yeah... he's hardwired to fight back I'd say.
If he wouldn't be like that, he would probably never have broken free and pulled this off.
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He told Oprah in 93 that he didn't do interviews because he had nothing to say and that he was so very sad all those years. In the earlier interviews he could be telling how happy he is and yet inside feeling great pain. We are complex humans and we have layers. Depending on his mood he reveals different things.

I don't believe in doubles except for dangerous situations or doubles needed for magic stage acts.
Love all those videos of him!
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I do believe he used doubles in the latter years.  In Bucharest, he obviously uses a double at the end of Thriller.  Once he turns away and puts on the mask, it's not him.  Look at the body and it's plain to see because the face is covered.  As soon as it's over he's on the cherry picker.  Also I do not believe for one second that he flew out of that arena.  Too much of an insurance risk for that to ever happen.  Never would they risk that kind of dangerous stunt with Michael.

I was sure someone would have corrected me by now :roll:  8-)  :lol:  :lol:
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Seems to me that MJ has always had those tendencies to fight back.It has been a long time since I saw it, but I'm still impressed by a scene in The Jacksons An American Dream where little Mike is at the table and Joe is there larger than life and he looks over and says with foreboding 'whose shoe is that'. Little Mike gets up to put it away but in the scene you can see his resentment building  and then he picks that shoe up and hurls it at Joe with all his might before running for his life. How courageous for such a little boy to stand up like that and knowing what the consequences would most likely be. So, yeah... he's hardwired to fight back I'd say.

and you can almost get the feeling that even though joe's own temprament made him want to let him have it that he still had admiration for the little guys guts ;)
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."