Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

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Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 06:02:07 AM
I don't feel completely comfortable posting this, because it's different to look at a still pic, than looking at an animation.
However, I have to discuss this:
There are at least three ambulance pics - not one. Some know it, others don't.
But these three pics were shot in a row, they all are shot from different angles, so the distances between 'objects' and shadows are different.

In one of the shots, it looks like he opened his eyes! But not on the others. (The one without a logo on it)
It could be, that this is only caused by motion blur and due to the different angles!
But I'd like to know, what you see - pay close attention to his eyes.

At least this is a proof, that it was not the stage pic, that was used to photoshop this.
I am sure, these are real pictures, but they still can be a fake (double, from earlier years, or it IS him on June 25th and he just didn't die).
But they are certainly not photoshopped in the way Brian Oxman said.

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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 06:08:17 AM
hmmm they seem to be a bit open.. but if its a reaction made volontary or unvolontary... i dont know..
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 06:22:00 AM
I talked to a paramedic on the other board, and she said it was common, that dead people have their eyes open,
but it's not possible, that the eyelids move. I thought, maybe it's due to the CPR or something, but she ruled that out.
Of course, it's still possible, that he was alive in the ambulance and then later died at the hospital - Some of the latest stories said so.

So, if it's not real eye movement, it's because of the angle, lighting, motion blur...
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 06:25:51 AM
I agree, as I've mentioned before it appears as if on one picture his eyes are closed and on the other they appear to be slightly opened.

As it seems from your animation: one closed, one slightly opened focussing straight ahead, one slightly opened looking to the left
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 06:30:20 AM
What is the moving thing of the left ?
A luggage ?  :shock:
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 06:36:37 AM
His eyes look closed to me besides these photos aren't legit anyway.  These are old photo no way they are recent.  I believe these photos were taken when he was in his 30's from a previous trip to the hospital.  That's my personal opinion.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 06:59:57 AM
i still think that it is a fake because i dont see you can get the angle from that position

also mike is younger by 20 years and his skin is different and his colour is beautiful but darker than it is presently.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 07:24:51 AM
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i still think that it is a fake because i dont see you can get the angle from that position

also mike is younger by 20 years and his skin is different and his colour is beautiful but darker than it is presently.

Why do you think they couldn't get that angle from their position?
I agree, that he looks younger and I also want to believe this pic is fake...

That's the full picture (or at least the biggest extract we got to see):


And that's a picture taken by 'ladymedic' from MJHD.net through the tinted side window of her ambulance - just as in Michael's case.
Only difference is, that the surrounding was dark and she didn't use a flash. It was shot in a closed dark room, not at day light. But that doesn't matter for the angle question.
Pretty much the same...
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 07:40:57 AM
i have made my comments in previous threads on the ambulance pic
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 07:53:07 AM
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i still think that it is a fake because i dont see you can get the angle from that position

also mike is younger by 20 years and his skin is different and his colour is beautiful but darker than it is presently.

Why do you think they couldn't get that angle from their position?
I agree, that he looks younger and I also want to believe this pic is fake...

That's the full picture (or at least the biggest extract we got to see):


And that's a picture taken by 'ladymedic' from MJHD.net through the tinted side window of her ambulance - just as in Michael's case.
Only difference is, that the surrounding was dark and she didn't use a flash. It was shot in a closed dark room, not at day light. But that doesn't matter for the angle question.
Pretty much the same...

The medical equipment is also pretty the same !   :mrgreen:
When you see the screen near the driver in some picture and see "gauge" (i don't know the exact term) near right man shoulder, we can only ask how design can be so different.
That "gauge" looks to have 15 to 20 years old... my grand mother got the same style on her balances ! haha
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 08:01:05 AM
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i still think that it is a fake because i dont see you can get the angle from that position

also mike is younger by 20 years and his skin is different and his colour is beautiful but darker than it is presently.

Why do you think they couldn't get that angle from their position?
I agree, that he looks younger and I also want to believe this pic is fake...

That's the full picture (or at least the biggest extract we got to see):


And that's a picture taken by 'ladymedic' from MJHD.net through the tinted side window of her ambulance - just as in Michael's case.
Only difference is, that the surrounding was dark and she didn't use a flash. It was shot in a closed dark room, not at day light. But that doesn't matter for the angle question.
Pretty much the same...

The medical equipment is also pretty the same !   :mrgreen:
When you see the screen near the driver in some picture and see "gauge" (i don't know the exact term) near right man shoulder, we can only ask how design can be so different.
That "gauge" looks to have 15 to 20 years old... my grand mother got the same style on her balances ! haha

Hm, to me it also looked old, but I have actually NEVER been in an ambulance in my 34 years (knock on wood...).
'ladymedic' says, the equipment isn't old. I think, she's not located in Los Angeles, btw.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 08:19:21 AM
Got it !
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 01:58:11 PM
Actually, this picture is a little bigger than the one posted above (it's a little wider, you see more of the paramedic on the right):



Well...poo...it's not displaying correctly...cutting off a bit on the right side. Sorry about that.

And this is the inside of ambulance 71...a screen shot of a video I made many months ago...

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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 03:35:04 PM
It's exactly the same - not a display problem.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 04:26:21 PM
i'll keep here what i was saying on the other topic ( viewtopic.php?f=19&p=143074#p143074 ).

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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 04:41:39 PM
The ambulance window is tinted.. look at the colour of the paramedics arms.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 05:02:34 PM
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The ambulance window is tinted.. look at the colour of the paramedics arms.
But the white on MJs mouth piece is pretty much 'white'.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 05:07:20 PM
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The ambulance window is tinted.. look at the colour of the paramedics arms.
But the white on MJs mouth piece is pretty much 'white'.


Good point.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 13, 2010, 10:05:17 PM
Beside the eyes look at the difference between the equipment being used in the photo with MJ and the other photo posted with the anonymous person.  The equipment in the MJ photo look way old and outdated compared to the ambulances that are used now days.  That's another reason to believe the photo is old.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 14, 2010, 12:28:07 AM
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It's exactly the same - not a display problem.

It's not the same actually...the image I have on my computer shows more of the paramedic on the right hand side. But for some reason, when I post it, it cuts off the right side.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 14, 2010, 01:00:37 AM
Some good points made.  But I always think about the fact the Chris Weiss, Ben Eventads other half , is a paramedic and could have easily "helped out" if you know what I mean.  There's no doubt this is a real picture taken inside a real ambulance, but the patient could have been anyone before the editing.  Have the ambulance paramedics from 71 ever been interviewed?????  It doesn't look like MJ's eyes have opened.  I think it's the angle.  And yes, it is common for some people or even animals to open their eyes  just after death, as they take that last breathe.  

Have you ever watched an operation in a Hospital??  The patients are under propofol, and have always got their eyes taped down during the surgery.  Is this because their eyes open???  A question for LADYMEDIC.....just a thought.  As always with L.O.V.E  xox
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 14, 2010, 02:42:33 AM
Is it a broken light on the car ?
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 14, 2010, 10:25:44 AM
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Beside the eyes look at the difference between the equipment being used in the photo with MJ and the other photo posted with the anonymous person.  The equipment in the MJ photo look way old and outdated compared to the ambulances that are used now days.  That's another reason to believe the photo is old.
The MJ photo is NOT outdated. 100% is not. All ambulances are different inside. All of the equipment in that picture is very much current. I don't understand what people see as being old. Lifepak 12s are very new, the equipment they're using in general is all current (the ET tube, tube holder, veniguard, ETCO2, BVM, patches on the medics). Some of it my company uses now.

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Some good points made.  But I always think about the fact the Chris Weiss, Ben Eventads other half , is a paramedic and could have easily "helped out" if you know what I mean.  There's no doubt this is a real picture taken inside a real ambulance, but the patient could have been anyone before the editing.  Have the ambulance paramedics from 71 ever been interviewed?????  It doesn't look like MJ's eyes have opened.  I think it's the angle.  And yes, it is common for some people or even animals to open their eyes  just after death, as they take that last breathe.  

Have you ever watched an operation in a Hospital??  The patients are under propofol, and have always got their eyes taped down during the surgery.  Is this because their eyes open???  A question for LADYMEDIC.....just a thought.  As always with L.O.V.E  xox
Ben is definitely NOT a paramedic. And he's a pretty crappy EMT from what I've heard him say. "8-10 minutes load and go". That's a bunch of junk. Ask any medic. Overall survival chances for cardiac arrest decline substantially after the first few minutes. It's irresponsible to "load and go with 8-10 minutes" for a cardiac arrest. Especially in this sense where they were going to presume. And I've had doctors tell me that if I haven't gotten any response, the patient isn't going to make it. Sure, you can get ROSC on random patients, but ROSC doesn't signify survival that far in to a code. It's just the medications. It very rarely can be sustained.

As for taping the eyes, while I don't know much about surgery because I work prehospitally, I do know some stuff. I had to do an OR rotation when I was in medic school where I did intubations and LMAs. I asked the anesthesiologists about this, and per them, it is just total preference. Some of the will, some won't. And it depends on the patient. If their eyes won't stay closed, they'll tape them. Sometimes all you need to do is close the lids and they stay shut. Other times they'll open again. One of the main reasons for taping the eyes is so they do not get dried out. (It's also to prevent cornea damage during the surgery, but obviously MJ wasn't having surgery.) I know some hospitals can have regulations about this kind of stuff, but where I was, it was the anesthesiologists decision.

And I have to say I do like what you're saying about the picture and the point I've been trying to make all along. Sure, this whole thing could be a hoax. But that does not mean that there is going to be error in everything they did. The ambulance photo, from the standpoint of a paramedic, is legit. As is the 911 call procedure. Does that mean it's MJ in the ambulance? No. But what they have done to the person/dummy/etc. is totally normal. And the equipment they're using is current.
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 14, 2010, 10:37:18 AM
are we just repeating ourselves? :?
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Re: Did he open his eyes? Look at this animation

  • on: April 14, 2010, 10:45:31 AM
Thank you Lady Medic. This should clear a lot of things up. We're hearing it from someone who works in this field and is a beLIEver. If you guys still think the picture is fake..then I guess nothing is going to convince you otherwise.

NOW...that doesn't mean that I believe that is Michael on that stretcher. I don't. Neither does Brian Oxman  :lol:  That doesn't look like the O2 Michael, any of the This Is It Michaels, or any recent MJ for a matter of fact. He is much younger & Darker

So I say..Keep the faith  :ugeek:
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