Polish President Lech Kaczynski dies in plane crash...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8612825.stm

President Lech Kaczynski and other senior Polish figures are among scores killed in a plane crash in Russia.

Polish and Russian officials said no-one survived after the plane apparently hit trees as it approached Smolensk airport in thick fog.

Poland's army chief, central bank governor, MPs and leading historians were among more than 80 passengers.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the crash was the most tragic event of the country's post-World War II history.

The Polish delegation was flying in from Warsaw to mark 70 years since the Katyn massacre of thousands of Poles by Soviet forces during WWII.
   

The BBC's Adam Easton, in Warsaw, says the crash is a catastrophe for the Polish people.

He says Prime Minister Tusk was reportedly in tears when he was told.

After an emergency meeting of minister, Mr Tusk, who runs the day-to-day business of government, said a week of national mourning had been declared with two minutes of silence on Sunday at midday.

He said he would travel immediately to the site of the crash in Smolensk. Russian Prime Minister Vladimir said he would go to Smolensk on Saturday as well, Russian news agencies reported.

Mr Tusk added: "The Polish state must function and will function".

A government spokesman said that according to the constitution there would be an early presidential election, and the speaker of the lower house of parliament, Bronislaw Komorowski, would become acting president.

In Warsaw, people have been gathering outside the presidential palace to lay flowers and light candles.

"I'm all broken up... it cannot be expressed in words," Ewa Robaczewska told Reuters news agency.

Pilot error?

The Russian emergencies ministry told Itar-Tass news agency the plane crashed at 1056 Moscow time (0656 GMT).

   
SENIOR FIGURES KILLED
National leader:
President Lech Kaczynski and wife Maria
Other politicians:
Wladyslaw Stasiak chief of the president's chancellery; Aleksander Szczyglo chief of the National Security Office; Slawomir Skrzypek National Bank of Poland chairman;
Jerzy Szmajdzinski deputy speaker of the lower house; Andrzej Kremer Foreign Ministry's undersecretary of state; Stanislaw Komorowski deputy minister of national defence; Przemyslaw Gosiewski Law and Justice party deputy chair;
Military chief:
Franciszek Gagor chief of the General Staff
Cultural figures:
Andrzej Przewoznik head of Poland's Council for the Protection of Struggle and Martyrdom Sites; Tomasz Merta chief historical conservator


Smolensk regional governor Sergei Antufiev told Russian TV that no-one had survived.

"As it was preparing for landing, the Polish president's aircraft did not make it to the landing strip," he said.

"According to preliminary reports, it got caught up in the tops of trees, fell to the ground and broke up into pieces. There are no survivors in that crash."

Polish Foreign Ministry spokesman Piotr Paszkowski said it could be assumed with "great certainty" that no-one had survived.

"We still cannot fully understand the scope of this tragedy and what it means for us in the future. Nothing like this has ever happened in Poland," Mr Paszkowski said.

Polish TV worker Slawomir Wisniewski said he had seen the crash from his hotel near the airport.

"I saw through the fog, the aeroplane flying very low with the left wing pointing to the ground," he said.

"I heard something being broken and then that thudding sound. Two flashes of fire next to each other."

It is unclear how many people were on board. Polish officials said the delegation was 88-strong, while local officials said 96 people had been killed.

Russian investigators had earlier said there were 132 people on the plane.

Russian media carried claims that the plane's crew were at fault for the crash.

"Flight controllers at Severnyy aerodrome suggested that the plane be forwarded to Minsk but as far as we know the crew took an independent decision to land the plane in Smolensk," Smolensk regional government spokesman Andrei Yevseyenkov told Russian TV.

Controversial figure

The president was flying in a Tupolev 154, a Soviet-designed plane that was more than 20 years old.

Our correspondent says there had been calls for Polish leaders to upgrade their planes.
Flowers and candles laid outside presidential palace in Warsaw - 10 April 2010

Mr Kaczynski himself had suffered scares while using the plane in late 2008, when problems with the aircraft's steering mechanism delayed his departure from Mongolia. It was then caught up in turbulence flying to Seoul.

"Any flight brings with it a certain risk, but a very serious risk attaches to the responsibilities of a president, because it is necessary to fly constantly," he was quoted as saying at the time.

As well as the president and his wife, Maria, a number of senior officials were on the passenger list.

They included the army chief of staff Gen Franciszek Gagor, central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek and deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer.

World leaders including Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin, German Chancellor Angela Merkel and UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown offered their condolences to Poland.

Mr Kaczynski, who had fewer powers than the prime minister but had a significant say in foreign policy, was a controversial figure in Polish politics.

He had advocated a right-wing Catholic agenda, opposed rapid free-market reforms and favoured retaining social welfare programmes.



It' huge  loss for Poland..  :roll:
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This is interesting indeed!  I can't help feeling there is a conspiracy in this.
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Very sad!!!
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Sad and scary. May he and his wife rest in peace.
 Any details on how the plane crashed?

Did he have any political enemies?
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Sad and scary. May he and his wife rest in peace.
 Any details on how the plane crashed?

Did he have any political enemies?

When your a president you have MANY enemies
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This is interesting indeed!  I can't help feeling there is a conspiracy in this.

I think it is conspiracy... something is not right... ALL important ppl from Poland is dead...
and It's true that Poland have bad relationships with Russia  and America...  and Poland president was a big fighter  against corruption in Europe...  

It' s very sad...
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My thoughts and prayers go out to the Polish people and everyone affected by this horrible tragedy. May God be with them.
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Quote from: "jill"
This is interesting indeed!  I can't help feeling there is a conspiracy in this.

That's what I think as well, Although it's very sad :( My prayers go out to all the family members and the victims.
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"The governor of Smolensk region, Sergei Antufiyev, said the plane did not reach the runway but instead hit the treetops and broke apart."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/11/world ... oland.html
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i'm from Poland..and it's a horrible day in my country today.. we have a national mourning..and it will last for 7 days..  :|
u asked how did the plane crash..well..when the pilot wanted to land he wasn't able to do it cuz there was such a big fog that he couldn't see the landing ground.. he was flying too low and there were trees... and he crashed..  :cry:
i'm just speechless.. at a one moment we lost our president, his wife and all commanders of military forces.. and they were going to Katyn to pray for those who weree killed during World War II ..now me must pray for them..
R.I.P
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My gosh this is tragic :shock:  I fell very sorry for them  :(  My feelings goes out to all the Family members may they all be in Heaven with God .
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Very sad thing to happen.
My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and to the people of Poland.
May God be with them.
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Yahoo news says it was the pilot's error.
Despite several warnings from several Russian and Belarus air controllers about extreme fog at destination, he did not follow the advice to land in Moscow instead.
Yahoo news says the plane crashed into trees at 4th attempt of landing in the fog.
Sad for the people on board.
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i'm from Poland..and it's a horrible day in my country today.. we have a national mourning..and it will last for 7 days..  :|
u asked how did the plane crash..well..when the pilot wanted to land he wasn't able to do it cuz there was such a big fog that he couldn't see the landing ground.. he was flying too low and there were trees... and he crashed..  :cry:
i'm just speechless.. at a one moment we lost our president, his wife and all commanders of military forces.. and they were going to Katyn to pray for those who weree killed during World War II ..now me must pray for them..
R.I.P
we are praying for them too... and we praying for your country..
our President eyes were wet  when she delivered news  to our country...

your President was visiting our country two days ago...  :roll:
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your President was visiting our country two days ago...  :roll:
yeah..i know that ..but this two days seem so remote today..:(

some of u mentioned about a conspiracy.. well, to me it IS conspiracy! the pilot could have landed on the another airport but he didn't! we dunno why.. maybe he wasn't really allowed to do it ? maybe those who were in a control-tower (dunno how to call it) told him to land there..
but i think that Putin is behind that!  :|
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...if the fog was so thick, how did witnesses 'see' what had happened???  This is terrible news and I am sorry to the families and the Polish people that lost so much today  :cry:.
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...if the fog was so thick, how did witnesses 'see' what had happened???  
witnesses didn't see it..they just heard it! they could hear the roar of the engines and then the boom! .. :cry:
and now our country is left without command..
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your President was visiting our country two days ago...  :roll:
yeah..i know that ..but this two days seem so remote today..:(

some of u mentioned about a conspiracy.. well, to me it IS conspiracy! the pilot could have landed on the another airport but he didn't! we dunno why.. maybe he wasn't really allowed to do it ? maybe those who were in a control-tower (dunno how to call it) told him to land there..
but i think that Putin is behind that!  :|

I think the same...
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i am also Polish, we are all in shock, this really is still unimaginable to me of what has happened

today's date also is so special, given what happened exactly 70 years ago in the same place :(

they have already found black boxes, I hope we will know what has caused this tragedy
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and the president's body was found..
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I am sorry. What a tragedy for Poland!
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I heard Putin send his ppl to investigate this incident, this crash... so if that' s true... i don't think we will hear what really happened...
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I heard Putin send his ppl to investigate this incident, this crash... so if that' s true... i don't think we will hear what really happened...
TRUE! some facts would be hidden.. but there's nothing that can be done about that..it's Russia..and Putin rules there..
i've just read sth interesting:
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Crew of the aircraft with which the Polish delegation was traveling (with President Lech Kaczynski at the head) repeatedly failed to fulfill the  flight controller's commands at the airport in Smolensk..
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...if the fog was so thick, how did witnesses 'see' what had happened???  
witnesses didn't see it..they just heard it! they could hear the roar of the engines and then the boom! .. :cry:
and now our country is left without command..

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_russia_plane_crash

"The plane tilted to the left before crashing, eyewitness Slawomir Sliwinski told state news channel Rossiya-24. He said there were two loud explosions when the aircraft hit the ground. "

Rossiya-24 showed footage from the crash site, with pieces of the plane scattered widely amid leafless trees and small fires burning in woods shrouded with fog. A tail fin with the red and white national colors of Poland stuck up from the debris.
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horrible sight.. :cry:  
i've also seen on a vid the lorry with the coffins.. God..
i pray for them.. :(
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