Has there been 2 this whole time??

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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: April 14, 2010, 02:48:48 PM
However, and this just for the sake of discussion (I would like to stress it is not what I believe), what about Marlon at the end of the Memorial?  It was significant that he mentioned his twin brother.  The age would have been about Michael's, right?
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: April 14, 2010, 02:51:50 PM
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However, and this just for the sake of discussion (I would like to stress it is not what I believe), what about Marlon at the end of the Memorial?  It was significant that he mentioned his twin brother.  The age would have been about Michael's, right?

Marlon and Brandon who passed are one year older than Michael.

It's not that significant, because it's not a secret that Marlon had a twin brother who died.
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: April 17, 2010, 09:17:50 PM
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I posted these pictures on the other last year and no one cared  :lol: but since i have came back and i see more people are looking into the double/twin theory I decided to post these pictures again.

While looking though his site to see how far back the multiple mjs go back i came across these pictures and IMO they look like 2 different lil boys...I will note what i see different and i would love for you to do the same.





on the top picture, notice the scar on his cheek, that is still visible today, and on the second picture it is not there

a his eyebrows seem to be thinner and the fuller bottom lip on the top picture

the bottom picture has fuller browsn and fuller top lip

but all and all it doesnt look like the same boy to me, the first picture looks like the michael we have always seem and the 2nd picture just doesnt "feel" familiar to me

edit: the way that the afros lay are different also
I found more photos of MJ without the scar.
http://http://mjjgallery.free.fr/earlyyears/solo/photoshoots/photoshoot2/035.jpg
http://http://mjjgallery.free.fr/earlyyears/solo/photoshoots/diltz/009.jpg
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: June 03, 2010, 04:37:05 AM
Let me post something here that fascinates me and I can only believe that in writing this Michael was referring to a silent twin and it haunts me, bothers me, makes me wonder in amazement at what on earth we all may still find in our investigations....it just boggles the mind and sounds to me like Michael was hoping for an end to the torture of keeping someone hidden, a loved one that remained silent, someone who was a like soul but different body, someone who stayed silent to protect him from something or to help him with something! :shock:

This is from page 85 of Dancing the Dream:
Two Birds
It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and
no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let's give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air. One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It's easy to guess which bird I am, but they'll never find you. Unless...
Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious. How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?

Oh, that is a day I hunger for!
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: June 03, 2010, 11:55:21 AM
Quote from: "nefari"
Let me post something here that fascinates me and I can only believe that in writing this Michael was referring to a silent twin and it haunts me, bothers me, makes me wonder in amazement at what on earth we all may still find in our investigations....it just boggles the mind and sounds to me like Michael was hoping for an end to the torture of keeping someone hidden, a loved one that remained silent, someone who was a like soul but different body, someone who stayed silent to protect him from something or to help him with something! :shock:

This is from page 85 of Dancing the Dream:
Two Birds
It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and
no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let's give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air. One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It's easy to guess which bird I am, but they'll never find you. Unless...
Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious. How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?

Oh, that is a day I hunger for!


I went to the Dancing the Dream book site, and read the 2 birds poem there too. It is indeed mysteriously pointing to a double/twin all his life. I can think of 3 options.

1. Like in Prestige he's had a twin all his life. Rather than it being Marlon's twin, however, it was Michael's. When MJ started showing promise, the Jackson's held a fake funeral for their son and kept up with the secret twin. I personally think this would have been IMPOSSIBLE to maintain over the years. Besides they didn't know he would be famous then.

2. Everyone here mostly believes in the Illuminati and the mind control their handlers have over many in the entertainment business. Joe may well have been a handler (someone once gave proof of that) for Michael. Extreme physical abuse is part of the method of causing a personality to fracture or split. There have been other threads on this theme. I think Michael for practically all his life had 2 main personalities. Along what lines they are split I'm not sure. (There may also have been doubles used loosely along the way, but I'm talking about 1 twin that was indestinguishable from the other in every way.) This split but in his mind 2 different people could explain this poem.

3. Because of his childhood abuse and the extreme pressures of performance and celebrityism, and terrible loneliness, Michael developed on his own, an imaginary friend (like Wilson, the basketball friend that Tom Hanks had for 4 years marooned on the island). This friend would also have been invisible to the outside world, but for Michael a necessary countnerpart to share his hopes, dreams, ideas.

I just feel that because of the necessary collaboration of hundreds in his family, thousands in the profession, and millions of avid followers, that would have seen glimpes of an actual twin that was identical, and NO ONE HAS LEAKED out that there were two of them. The logistics of arranging things with his own 3 kids, 2 marriages, legal papers would be astronomical. It's easy in a movie like Prestige, but not in real life.

So for me Michael has had either an mind-controlled alter (which he may have gotten healing/restoring from) or an imaginary friend to bring him some relief since he is such a sensitive soul.
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: June 03, 2010, 01:24:15 PM
As a huge Lord of the Rings fan I am seeing Gollum/Smeagol here or a similar situation except Michael is not evil like Gollum but what Smeagol endured from the powers of the ring over the years of survival, the splitting into 2 just to live, to maintain somewhat of a life as twisted as it was and his obsession with the ring the entire time, always striving to please the Precious despite what it did to him! Michael I think is obsessed with perfecting his craft to the point he drives himself to extremes and this was drilled into him by his Father, and as the drilling continued, the split came.....the meek scared little boy on one side and the powerful sexy work a holic singer/dancer on the other. But I still have to ask, where do the Brandon Jackson's, the Wylie Drapers, Rockwells and the Navis and E-Cass's all fit into the scheme of things.
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: June 03, 2010, 03:04:19 PM
Quote from: "Christiana"
The scar he has is on his left cheek, which I can't see visible in either picture.

The other differences you mentioned can be attributed to any or all of the following:

Change in the position of Michael's head
Change in the the position of Michael's mouth
Change in the lighting
Change in the position of the camera being used
Changing in the position of the photographer
Photoshopping

I myself don't buy into the doubles/twin theory. I have nothing against anyone who does, but it would take a LOT, LOT more in the way of proof to convince me otherwise.

Agree 100 %
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: June 03, 2010, 03:09:01 PM
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: October 17, 2010, 04:47:56 PM
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Let me post something here that fascinates me and I can only believe that in writing this Michael was referring to a silent twin and it haunts me, bothers me, makes me wonder in amazement at what on earth we all may still find in our investigations....it just boggles the mind and sounds to me like Michael was hoping for an end to the torture of keeping someone hidden, a loved one that remained silent, someone who was a like soul but different body, someone who stayed silent to protect him from something or to help him with something! :shock:

This is from page 85 of Dancing the Dream:
Two Birds
It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and
no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let's give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air. One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It's easy to guess which bird I am, but they'll never find you. Unless...
Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious. How long will it be before the world hears your song in mine?

Oh, that is a day I hunger for!


I just want to make some notes here, because I actually DO see TWO REAL MJs in videos and pictures. I myself found some interesting, amazing stuff in the poem, but this poem can't be used to bolster the premise, because the "other" in the poem:

1} Does not eat; therefore NOT human. :?

2} No picture of him exists; the ultimate  :x meanness, in a millionaire family to NOT have  taken ANY photos  :cry: of his existence.

3} Makes no audible sound; even a dead leaf rustles on the ground.

4} Is invisible, EVEN in the very same spotlight as the known star of the silver screen and shows!

So...it is NOT another human being.

Then he tells us Who the "other" IS:

A love that never interferes: God?
That watches from beyond: God?
That breathes free in the invisible air: God?
Sweet bird, my soul, your silence {THIS STILLNESS} is so precious

How long will it be before the world :o  hears  :D your ;)  song 8-)  in :idea:  mine :ugeek: ?

MJ spent hours and hours
[/color]ALONE, that is, to the human eye.

 He read Scripture, thought and thought about things he read, and delightfully discovered he was NOT alone. :D

He KNEW he was not alone. Someone quiet was with him. The still small voice the Bible speaks of... ;) , COMMUNING with his Seeker soul...

This communion is so sweet, so intimate, he probably didn't realize it was Someone BESIDES his own soul, at the time he wrote this. I don't know if JWs believe in a personal relationship with God Himself; I don't know if he knew THEN, that this was possible. But, the Bible says if you draw close to Him, He will draw close to YOU! 8-)

And we KNOW Mike was looking for a way to meld his SOUL--THIS sweet part of his faith and belief which pulls God into you, which made him feel THIS, into every note he sang... IMHO :)  :D
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: October 17, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
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Quote from: "nefari"
Let me post something here that fascinates me and I can only believe that in writing this Michael was referring to a silent twin and it haunts me, bothers me, makes me wonder in amazement at what on earth we all may still find in our investigations....it just boggles the mind and sounds to me like Michael was hoping for an end to the torture of keeping someone hidden, a loved one that remained silent, someone who was a like soul but different body, someone who stayed silent to protect him from something or to help him with something! :shock:

This is from page 85 of Dancing the Dream:
Two Birds
It's hard to tell them what I feel for you. They haven't ever met you, and
no one has your picture. So how can they ever understand your mystery?
Let's give them a clue:

Two birds sit in a tree. One eats cherries, while the other looks on.
Two birds fly through the air. One's song drops like crystal from the sky while the other keeps silent. Two birds wheel in the sun. One catches the light on its silver feathers, while the other spreads wings of invisibility.

It's easy to guess which bird I am, but they'll never find you. Unless...
Unless they already know a love that never interferes, that watches from beyond, that breathes free in the invisible air. Sweet bird, my soul, your silence is so precious.Oh, that is a day I hunger for!


I just want to make some notes here, because I actually DO see TWO REAL MJs in videos and pictures. I myself found some interesting, amazing stuff in the poem, but this poem can't be used to bolster the premise, because the "other" in the poem:

1} Does not eat; therefore NOT human. :?

2} No picture of him exists; the ultimate  :x meanness, in a millionaire family to NOT have  taken ANY photos  :cry: of his existence.

3} Makes no audible sound; even a dead leaf rustles on the ground.

4} Is invisible, EVEN in the very same spotlight as the known star of the silver screen and shows!

So...it is NOT another human being.

Then he tells us Who the "other" IS:

A love that never interferes: God?
That watches from beyond: God?
That breathes free in the invisible air: God?
Sweet bird, my soul, your silence {THIS STILLNESS} is so precious

How long will it be before the world :o  hears  :D your ;)  song 8-)  in :idea:  mine :ugeek: ?

MJ spent hours and hours
[/color]ALONE, that is, to the human eye.

 He read Scripture, thought and thought about things he read, and delightfully discovered he was NOT alone. :D

He KNEW he was not alone. Someone quiet was with him. The still small voice the Bible speaks of... ;) , COMMUNING with his Seeker soul...

This communion is so sweet, so intimate, he probably didn't realize it was Someone BESIDES his own soul, at the time he wrote this. I don't know if JWs believe in a personal relationship with God Himself; I don't know if he knew THEN, that this was possible. But, the Bible says if you draw close to Him, He will draw close to YOU! 8-)

And we KNOW Mike was looking for a way to meld his SOUL--THIS sweet part of his faith and belief which pulls God into you, which made him feel THIS, into every note he sang... IMHO :)  :D

indeed some already have ;)
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: December 30, 2010, 08:39:03 PM
hi everyone
 i think nefari is right i think there were two of him a twin.
let me explain further.
 look at speed demon then look at him in bad videi it is not the same person there is no way.its close to looking like him but it isnt.thenlook at him in leave me alone .
one is really rough and sexy and beautiful all together then the other one is just beautiful.even look at the part in the hair you can tell the real mike right away he always had it parted the same way.the other one looks like he just made the part but his hair doesnt fall around his face like the real mike.
 speed demon is the one that just stuck out for me.
and the ears are different even the teeth .they may look the same but look closer mikes were more bigger  and the other one looks perfect.then look at his eyes ones eyes are more soulful ,the other one has bigger wider eyes.
i have just noticed this like mike did some things and his twin did the other things.
maybe some concerts mike did but his twin did some too.miami orange bowl victory tour is definitly mike.
then look at bad short film there are two people playing the parts just look at the faces side by side.ones lips are bigger  the other one has a bigger lip up top and smaller lip on the bottom.and the ears slightly different.
you really have to observe it.
i think he did have a twin and one died.
just my opinion wanted to share
god bless
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: December 30, 2010, 09:11:08 PM
I think in the poem he is referring to the person that only he knows in his soul and the person he is on stage that we think he is. The one who  gets the luxuries of eating whatever he wants, singing to us for entertainment and is always in the spotlight.  All the while the real Michael sits silently, alone, and invisible to everyone.  He wants so badly to be able to show everyone who he really is but he can not because of the media, tabloids, rumors and everything else that prevents him from doing so.  All he wants is to be able to walk up to a stranger in the grocery store and have a regular conversation about what is on sell in the produce aisle. That is his soul. Most guessed that he was the one on stage and he'll never be found again because he is no longer with us. Unless...we know a love that never interferes, the love we have for him no matter as he watches us from beyond for the first time while he is free, breathing the invisible air.

Now that the King of Pop has "died" and Michael Jackson can speak,  how long will it be before we hear what he really had to say?  
His silence is precious.

I do not believe he has/had a twin.
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: December 30, 2010, 10:36:35 PM
Quote from: "mjfjei7777"
hi everyone
 i think nefari is right i think there were two of him a twin.
let me explain further.
 look at speed demon then look at him in bad videi it is not the same person there is no way.its close to looking like him but it isnt.thenlook at him in leave me alone .
one is really rough and sexy and beautiful all together then the other one is just beautiful.even look at the part in the hair you can tell the real mike right away he always had it parted the same way.the other one looks like he just made the part but his hair doesnt fall around his face like the real mike.
 speed demon is the one that just stuck out for me.
and the ears are different even the teeth .they may look the same but look closer mikes were more bigger  and the other one looks perfect.then look at his eyes ones eyes are more soulful ,the other one has bigger wider eyes.
i have just noticed this like mike did some things and his twin did the other things.
maybe some concerts mike did but his twin did some too.miami orange bowl victory tour is definitly mike.
then look at bad short film there are two people playing the parts just look at the faces side by side.ones lips are bigger  the other one has a bigger lip up top and smaller lip on the bottom.and the ears slightly different.
you really have to observe it.
i think he did have a twin and one died.
just my opinion wanted to share
god bless
mjfjei7777
I totally agree with you, because I have been studying for awhile. What drew my attention was the glove. When Mike did the Motown 25, he wore the glove on the left hand. All the sudden you would see it on the right hand. Also, I'd noticed in "The Jacksons: An American Dream" Wylie Draper wore the glove on the right hand. That disturbed me for awhile until I saw the Motown 25 on youtube. Then I would start to notice Michael's eyes. They were not the same. I do believe that a twin died also. I think the twin was using the oxygen tanks. Mike even said he had six brothers and three sisters when the Jackson 5 appeared on American Bandstand. Latoya has said she had six brothers, but now she has five. I feel that Mike has been leaving clues for a very long time.  Also, this reminds me alot of the movie "The Prestige."

God Bless you to and everyone.
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: December 30, 2010, 11:31:19 PM
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I think in the poem he is referring to the person that only he knows in his soul and the person he is on stage that we think he is. The one who  gets the luxuries of eating whatever he wants, singing to us for entertainment and is always in the spotlight.  All the while the real Michael sits silently, alone, and invisible to everyone.  He wants so badly to be able to show everyone who he really is but he can not because of the media, tabloids, rumors and everything else that prevents him from doing so.  All he wants is to be able to walk up to a stranger in the grocery store and have a regular conversation about what is on sell in the produce aisle. That is his soul. Most guessed that he was the one on stage and he'll never be found again because he is no longer with us. Unless...we know a love that never interferes, the love we have for him no matter as he watches us from beyond for the first time while he is free, breathing the invisible air.

Now that the King of Pop has "died" and Michael Jackson can speak,  how long will it be before we hear what he really had to say?  
His silence is precious.

I do not believe he has/had a twin.

i am leaning toward a combination of your impression and that of its her
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: December 30, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
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hi everyone
 i think nefari is right i think there were two of him a twin.
let me explain further.
 look at speed demon then look at him in bad videi it is not the same person there is no way.its close to looking like him but it isnt.thenlook at him in leave me alone .
one is really rough and sexy and beautiful all together then the other one is just beautiful.even look at the part in the hair you can tell the real mike right away he always had it parted the same way.the other one looks like he just made the part but his hair doesnt fall around his face like the real mike.
 speed demon is the one that just stuck out for me.
and the ears are different even the teeth .they may look the same but look closer mikes were more bigger  and the other one looks perfect.then look at his eyes ones eyes are more soulful ,the other one has bigger wider eyes.
i have just noticed this like mike did some things and his twin did the other things.
maybe some concerts mike did but his twin did some too.miami orange bowl victory tour is definitly mike.
then look at bad short film there are two people playing the parts just look at the faces side by side.ones lips are bigger  the other one has a bigger lip up top and smaller lip on the bottom.and the ears slightly different.
you really have to observe it.
i think he did have a twin and one died.
just my opinion wanted to share
god bless
mjfjei7777
I totally agree with you, because I have been studying for awhile. What drew my attention was the glove. When Mike did the Motown 25, he wore the glove on the left hand. All the sudden you would see it on the right hand. Also, I'd noticed in "The Jacksons: An American Dream" Wylie Draper wore the glove on the right hand. That disturbed me for awhile until I saw the Motown 25 on youtube. Then I would start to notice Michael's eyes. They were not the same. I do believe that a twin died also. I think the twin was using the oxygen tanks. Mike even said he had six brothers and three sisters when the Jackson 5 appeared on American Bandstand. Latoya has said she had six brothers, but now she has five. I feel that Mike has been leaving clues for a very long time.  Also, this reminds me alot of the movie "The Prestige."

God Bless you to and everyone.

If MJ has a twin, he's very much alive. There are too many silly and Just For Fun aspects to this Adventure, for anything so monstrously sad to be a part of it. I can't imagine Mike telling us about a brother he continually switched places with in the persona we all loved, AFTER he's all dead and cold. This means, amongst other things... the dead one never knew how much THE WORLD loved him---because he was already dead when MJ (the "other" one) faked HIS death, and EVERYONE, even strangers, cried. omg this makes me sick. It's not the truth. It's sad enough that a brother we never knew died as a baby. Let's beLIEve positive unless/until the man himself says so, eh?  :) Peace and Joy.
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Re: Has there been 2 this whole time??

  • on: December 31, 2010, 03:26:08 AM
Maybe it was MICHAEL who had the twin brother, and he in fact, did NOT die... :?

And maybe that picture with the scar was edited by someone on the computer (im not saying they edited it in the 70s, but today, maybe someone came across it and took it out) or maybe they applied make-up to it. :?
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