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First of all let me say thank you for all the time and effort you are putting into this.  

Everything you have mentioned are all things I have also thought about and questioned.  Unfortunately I don't have the time or the resources to research things as thoroughly as I would like to.  So that is why I am grateful to someone like you who can bring this to the forefront  so it can be investigated.

This should be very interesting.  Maybe that is what was meant by the This Is It poster and DVD.  "DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW"


I can't believe my eyes.......
HAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH

i leave for a month or so and NOW everything thinks/knows/ see that there has been doubles for atleast 20years  :roll:  at this point if/when mj comes back, if he does, i wouldnt even be shocked it he was still black :lol: "meet the man you never knew" LMAO but seriously it would be easier to use doubles with lighter skin,glasses and wigs :D
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It is so disheartening to hear people talking about others pissing them off or not believing everything that was ever posted here.

Since I was the one who said was pissed off, this part of your post is addressed to me.

Again - the reason why I got pissed off is NOT because people didn't believe us when we posted the original theory and all that we have posted about doubles the following five months.  Everybody is entitled to an opinion, period.  I got pissed off because some replies made it appear like it was the first time a post about doubles appeared.  The most pissed off I got is when I saw people's positive reply to WiZZKiDD's thread, while they have been bashing and ridiculing Souza and me when we posted about it.

It's exactly like Bec said: (Thank You Bec):

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Because, Mo and Souza, you two have been the subject of a systematic smear campaign designed to discredit you by outside sources. They tried to shut you up by infiltrating and infecting the old board (one which shall not be named) and they were quite successful.

Mo and Souza were and to some extent still are crucified and villified by someone or someones who think it is very important to shut them up. This is still going on.
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The intent of my post was not to bash or piss off anyone.  I simply wanted to say thank you for time and effort.  Like I said before. I have not been a member of this board for very long.  I do not have a lot of time to spend doing any research and I'm sorry to say that I do not get to read all threads.
Your response to my post really caught me off guard and quite honestly I was offended. I don't particularly like to be called ignorant or stupid.  I do not post often but I have never once been offensive, disrespectful or rude to anyone.  That is not the kind of person I am so please do not put me in that catagory.


Mo didn't call you ignorant, stupid, rude, offensive, or disrespectful or anything even remotely like that. Where are you getting this from????

This is what I'm talking about. Neither Mo nor Souza can type a single thing on even their own damn forum without fielding a thousand unfounded and unjustified accusations for it. No matter what they say they will get flamed for it. No. Matter. What.

You want to talk about being labeled? You just accused Mo of doing something she didn't even come close to doing at any point here. All someone has to do is read what you wrote and they assume it's true. I searched the entire thread and didn't find a single post of the nature you are illuding to. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

Mo and Souza have endured a great deal of abuse they didn't deserve and I HATE IT.

IT REALLY BOTHERS ME. IT NEEDS TO STOP.

THEY NEVER FIGHT BACK AND YET THE SHIT CONTINUES TO BE HURLED ON THEM.

It's hateful, it's systematic, and it's purposeful. Don't you see? Don't you see what's going on? SOMEONE WANTED THEM GONE A LONG TIME AGO. I think they were played for awhile but grew too influencial and unfortunatly for the puppetmaster, they were smarter then it anticiated and got to digging around too much and sharing too much WITH US and the plan backfired and something needed to be done.

They way they went about it was really quite clever and genius, I'll give it that. Much more effective to cut them off at the knees by discrediting them then to hope they would either just go away or continue to take the bait and parrot the information like good girls.
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I don't know what else to say except that I do not know what went on on this board before two months ago.  Any issues that happened before that I was not aware of so if I am to be accused of anything I would say it would be uniformed.  

I was just taken aback that that's all and standing up for myself.  I was not labeling anyone
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Bec, from your post I am finding out that I have indeed been ignorant to much that has been going on. Threats you say?
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First of all let me say thank you for all the time and effort you are putting into this.  

Everything you have mentioned are all things I have also thought about and questioned.  Unfortunately I don't have the time or the resources to research things as thoroughly as I would like to.  So that is why I am grateful to someone like you who can bring this to the forefront  so it can be investigated.

This should be very interesting.  Maybe that is what was meant by the This Is It poster and DVD.  "DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW"


I can't believe my eyes.......
HAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH

i leave for a month or so and NOW everything thinks/knows/ see that there has been doubles for atleast 20years  :roll:  at this point if/when mj comes back, if he does, i wouldnt even be shocked it he was still black :lol: "meet the man you never knew" LMAO but seriously it would be easier to use doubles with lighter skin,glasses and wigs :D


Did you just say that out loud?  Oh my, you got some balls girl! If you need a rock to hide under, Mo and I have a huge one, there's room for more. And I wouldn't be surprised either. I think there is nothing that would surprise us, since every theory crossed our minds, and I mean EVERY theory (brain gets fried sometimes ;) )
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The theory of the double has been ridiculed by many people in other forums in other languages, I think that sometimes many people do not say anything (and I include myself) for not reading reviews that try to ridicule this or that maybe there are people who do not like hearing these things and get upset, this is a forum for research and we will get things that maybe we do not like, it shouldn't be that MJ is a human being like any of us.
The blog about mind control is another issue that some people do not like to comment, but these things exist and is not an invention, have written books about this, and will get a lot of internet pages and testimonials from people who have been vistimas this, so ... open mind. Discucion It's good that you're being given and that we are participating is a good sign. ;)

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First of all let me say thank you for all the time and effort you are putting into this.  

Everything you have mentioned are all things I have also thought about and questioned.  Unfortunately I don't have the time or the resources to research things as thoroughly as I would like to.  So that is why I am grateful to someone like you who can bring this to the forefront  so it can be investigated.

This should be very interesting.  Maybe that is what was meant by the This Is It poster and DVD.  "DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW"


I can't believe my eyes.......
HAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH

i leave for a month or so and NOW everything thinks/knows/ see that there has been doubles for atleast 20years  :roll:  at this point if/when mj comes back, if he does, i wouldnt even be shocked it he was still black :lol: "meet the man you never knew" LMAO but seriously it would be easier to use doubles with lighter skin,glasses and wigs :D


Did you just say that out loud?  Oh my, you got some balls girl! If you need a rock to hide under, Mo and I have a huge one, there's room for more. And I wouldn't be surprised either. I think there is nothing that would surprise us, since every theory crossed our minds, and I mean EVERY theory (brain gets fried sometimes ;) )
Well it would surprise me, and if that is the case, bye-bye to a lot of respect for MJ from a lot of peeps (self included) and I would sure wonder how he ever said he was proud of his heritage- well boy did you show it, genius, by hiding it for ages.. Ughghghghgh...
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First of all let me say thank you for all the time and effort you are putting into this.  

Everything you have mentioned are all things I have also thought about and questioned.  Unfortunately I don't have the time or the resources to research things as thoroughly as I would like to.  So that is why I am grateful to someone like you who can bring this to the forefront  so it can be investigated.

This should be very interesting.  Maybe that is what was meant by the This Is It poster and DVD.  "DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW"


I can't believe my eyes.......
HAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH

i leave for a month or so and NOW everything thinks/knows/ see that there has been doubles for atleast 20years  :roll:  at this point if/when mj comes back, if he does, i wouldnt even be shocked it he was still black :lol: "meet the man you never knew" LMAO but seriously it would be easier to use doubles with lighter skin,glasses and wigs :D


Did you just say that out loud?  Oh my, you got some balls girl! If you need a rock to hide under, Mo and I have a huge one, there's room for more. And I wouldn't be surprised either. I think there is nothing that would surprise us, since every theory crossed our minds, and I mean EVERY theory (brain gets fried sometimes ;) )
Well it would surprise me, and if that is the case, bye-bye to a lot of respect for MJ from a lot of peeps (self included) and I would sure wonder how he ever said he was proud of his heritage- well boy did you show it, genius, by hiding it for ages.. Ughghghghgh...


Pink sweety, you really need to take a break. First of all we are speculating, no one is claiming to speak the truth. Besides that, whatever story is true, I have read so many things about his life the past months, that whatever he decided to do to get some privacy and safety in his life, I would never blame him and all I can hope is that whatever will come out in the upcoming weeks/months/years, that people will at least TRY to understand what he had to endure in his life. Don't think about yourself here, you can never compare your view on things with his, and you should be lucky for that. Besides that, it's impossible and unfair to be mad at someone and accuse someone that hasn't even spoken himself and can't speak up for himself now. Wait with your accusations until you heard the words coming from HIS mouth, instead of a few hoaxers that have lived in a padded cell for months already. "Prejudice is ignorance"
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First of all let me say thank you for all the time and effort you are putting into this.  

Everything you have mentioned are all things I have also thought about and questioned.  Unfortunately I don't have the time or the resources to research things as thoroughly as I would like to.  So that is why I am grateful to someone like you who can bring this to the forefront  so it can be investigated.

This should be very interesting.  Maybe that is what was meant by the This Is It poster and DVD.  "DISCOVER THE MAN YOU NEVER KNEW"


I can't believe my eyes.......
HAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHHHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAH

i leave for a month or so and NOW everything thinks/knows/ see that there has been doubles for atleast 20years  :roll:  at this point if/when mj comes back, if he does, i wouldnt even be shocked it he was still black :lol: "meet the man you never knew" LMAO but seriously it would be easier to use doubles with lighter skin,glasses and wigs :D


Did you just say that out loud?  Oh my, you got some balls girl! If you need a rock to hide under, Mo and I have a huge one, there's room for more. And I wouldn't be surprised either. I think there is nothing that would surprise us, since every theory crossed our minds, and I mean EVERY theory (brain gets fried sometimes ;) )
Well it would surprise me, and if that is the case, bye-bye to a lot of respect for MJ from a lot of peeps (self included) and I would sure wonder how he ever said he was proud of his heritage- well boy did you show it, genius, by hiding it for ages.. Ughghghghgh...


Pink sweety, you really need to take a break. First of all we are speculating, no one is claiming to speak the truth. Besides that, whatever story is true, I have read so many things about his life the past months, that whatever he decided to do to get some privacy and safety in his life, I would never blame him and all I can hope is that whatever will come out in the upcoming weeks/months/years, that people will at least TRY to understand what he had to endure in his life. Don't think about yourself here, you can never compare your view on things with his, and you should be lucky for that. Besides that, it's impossible and unfair to be mad at someone and accuse someone that hasn't even spoken himself and can't speak up for himself now. Wait with your accusations until you heard the words coming from HIS mouth, instead of a few hoaxers that have lived in a padded cell for months already. "Prejudice is ignorance"
HEhe, you got me with the cell thing, LOL! I know I belong there too, with all my temper issues.. I can't stop myself sometimes. I'm constantly conflicted and I really hope I haven't come off as a complete ass toward MJ, I know I have sounded really terrible, but all of these months I HAVE been doing exactly what you said here:
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at least TRY to understand what he had to endure in his life. Don't think about yourself here, you can never compare your view on things with his, and you should be lucky for that. Besides that, it's impossible and unfair to be mad at someone and accuse someone that hasn't even spoken himself and can't speak up for himself now.
I've cried and felt horrible for him WAY more all of this time than I have for myself, and I think that's whay I'm like this now, I've bottled all feelings concerning myself up for quite a while. I've exploded at anyone and everyone who critisized him or judged him harshly sine the 25th.. I hope I came across clearer now, I guess you could say any selfishness or anger toward him for these hard times is finally coming up now after being buried in my sympathy and intense pity and sorrow for him.. I just wish everything was easier and better for him, I really, really do..EDIT: I think the use of the words "Michael" and "deception" together that have been spoken about with such seeming excitment or something like that lately just triggered some irrational anger in me finally, and I know I'll beat myself up over this as more time goes on, because I've been so allergic to anything negative toward Michael, first from the 25th and then from what I've learned from the hoax.. Anything that makes me ask "why do things have to be this way for someone who only wants to love and be loved? Why, why, why, why?" I've avoided.. But you know what? That anger these past few days has been so irrational that I've forgotten where it all SHOULD be going, and that's to the.. I'm not even gonna waste time trying to think of foul-enough words to use for each and every asshole who did ANYTHING to hurt him for their own gain..
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its not about not being proud of his heritage.you skin color doesnt make you who you are plus im sure there would be more to it.

 here is my theory:

people keep talking shit about him saying he wanted to be white,he was weird,he was gay ect. so he "became" or acted on all of those things! its was all a show, i think everything we have been seeing since, at least, the bad era is fake, or staged. No respect lost on my part, all gained for having the balls to do that.

also did you ever think that him being the "master of disguise" was talking more about him going in public dressed up, the make up,hair,glasses, hats ect but in his private time he looked like the thriller Mj??? did you ever think that it would be easier for him not only to have a regular life but do things with his kids if we, the public, didnt really know what he looked like??? how could people harm him if they didnt know it was him? who would ever think that they were in the movies sitting next to mj if he was still darker? or who would harm or treat his kids bad if they didnt have any idea what the real prince/paris/blanket looked like? i think its brilliant!

I think people need to think more about him as a person and his kids instead of how you would feel. I personally think that if i am correct and we didnt know what he looked like for , protection,his kids and/or to make a fool of the media then im all for it
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its not about not being proud of his heritage.you skin color doesnt make you who you are plus im sure there would be more to it.

 here is my theory:

people keep talking shit about him saying he wanted to be white,he was weird,he was gay ect. so he "became" or acted on all of those things! its was all a show, i think everything we have been seeing since, at least, the bad era is fake, or staged. No respect lost on my part, all gained for having the balls to do that.

also did you ever think that him being the "master of disguise" was talking more about him going in public dressed up, the make up,hair,glasses, hats ect but in his private time he looked like the thriller Mj??? did you ever think that it would be easier for him not only to have a regular life but do things with his kids if we, the public, didnt really know what he looked like??? how could people harm him if they didnt know it was him? who would ever think that they were in the movies sitting next to mj if he was still darker? or who would harm or treat his kids bad if they didnt have any idea what the real prince/paris/blanket looked like? i think its brilliant!

I think people need to think more about him as a person and his kids instead of how you would feel. I personally think that if i am correct and we didnt know what he looked like for , protection,his kids and/or to make a fool of the media then im all for it
seriously cool theory
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its not about not being proud of his heritage.you skin color doesnt make you who you are plus im sure there would be more to it.

 here is my theory:

people keep talking shit about him saying he wanted to be white,he was weird,he was gay ect. so he "became" or acted on all of those things! its was all a show, i think everything we have been seeing since, at least, the bad era is fake, or staged. No respect lost on my part, all gained for having the balls to do that.

also did you ever think that him being the "master of disguise" was talking more about him going in public dressed up, the make up,hair,glasses, hats ect but in his private time he looked like the thriller Mj??? did you ever think that it would be easier for him not only to have a regular life but do things with his kids if we, the public, didnt really know what he looked like??? how could people harm him if they didnt know it was him? who would ever think that they were in the movies sitting next to mj if he was still darker? or who would harm or treat his kids bad if they didnt have any idea what the real prince/paris/blanket looked like? i think its brilliant!

I think people need to think more about him as a person and his kids instead of how you would feel. I personally think that if i am correct and we didnt know what he looked like for , protection,his kids and/or to make a fool of the media then im all for it
First of all, any person in "the public" who would harm them if they saw them is an ass. Next, EVEN if he wanted to protect his own kids, using other kids in their place, putting THEM in danger is pretty cruel, if you ask me. Making other kids who have their own lives and families pretend for years is.. Ugh. He may as well have just make-believed that he had none rather than do that. As for Michael, he doesn't look different from Thriller to now aside from the skin and nose, in my opinion, but we all know he has vitiligo (Thanks most likely to the Illuminati, as Mo and Souza have said), and we all also know that the only reason he appears white-skinned is because it was very bad and spreading all over him. How delighted the severe-vitiligo-suffering community will be to hear/see this insensitive news. And it's just my opinon, but I really don't see the fun or glory in making the media correct for so many years and giving them and the aforementioned asses in the public more and more leverage to tear you down and bear hatred against you. I know he liked to fool around with the media but these are serious issues, especially the vitiligo, and it seemed to cause him real suffering, although, of course that was probably just more fine acting on the part of the Oscar-deserving Michael, now wasn't it..? This:
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its was all a show, i think everything we have been seeing since, at least, the bad era is fake, or staged.
may be deserving of respect for the HUGE hassle it presented, but it sure does also take away a HUGE amount of likability and sincerity from his personality- it's like, damn, man, can't you do ANYTHING for real? Isn't the world phony and superficial enough? His life is hard, true, but just about every other celebrity or important figure handles it well on their own- without all the pretend games. That's my opinion..
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First of all, any person in "the public" who would harm them if they saw them is an ass.

but there are asses out there like that! people treat celebs like they are not human

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Next, EVEN if he wanted to protect his own kids, using other kids in their place, putting THEM in danger is pretty cruel, if you ask me. Making other kids who have their own lives and families pretend for years is.. Ugh.
you seen how they are protected, and if you think about it we rarely seen him with the kids AND there face was covered, we might have seen photos of them all out but who knows when and where those were taken


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As for Michael, he doesn't look different from Thriller to now aside from the skin and nose, in my opinion, but we all know he has vitiligo (Thanks most likely to the Illuminati, as Mo and Souza have said), and we all also know that the only reason he appears white-skinned is because it was very bad and spreading all over him. How delighted the severe-vitiligo-suffering community will be to hear/see this insensitive news.
im not saying he didnt have it, im saying that i dont think he got as light as he looked. The bad video was in 1987 and he was pretty light BUT in 1989 in the liberian girl video he was brown, he wasnt as dark as he was b4 BUT darker than he was in lets say captain EO. How is that possible? i also agree, i dont think hes face changed, only his nose but the lighting of his skin cause an illusion that there was drastic changes, and doubles of course

 
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And it's just my opinon, but I really don't see the fun or glory in making the media correct for so many years and giving them and the aforementioned asses in the public more and more leverage to tear you down and bear hatred against you.

they were already tearing him down for doing nothing!!!! so why not let them tear you down about things that are not true????
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I know he liked to fool around with the media but these are serious issues, especially the vitiligo, and it seemed to cause him real suffering, although, of course that was probably just more fine acting on the part of the Oscar-deserving Michael, now wasn't it..? This:
klien did say he was a great actor! lol but seriously the way the media ruins lives and the things the illumanti does to people is serious also! protecting yourself and your kids is also serious and if it takes doubles and illusions to throw people off then thats what you have to do. Not being able to live a normal life is serious also and im sure he had plenty of time to think of how he could do that
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may be deserving of respect for the HUGE hassle it presented, but it sure does also take away a HUGE amount of likability and sincerity from his personality- it's like, damn, man, can't you do ANYTHING for real? Isn't the world phony and superficial enough? His life is hard, true, but just about every other celebrity or important figure handles it well on their own- without all the pretend games. That's my opinion..
i dont think that other celebs handle it well, and i bet there is alot more "pretending" going on that you think. and other celebs are not MJ, he is thee most famous person in the world and none of us could ever image how that feels. dislike?sincerity? For arguement sake lets say im right, how could u not like him for doing what he had to do to be a normal man? and live a normal life? remeber he didnt ask for this......
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First of all, any person in "the public" who would harm them if they saw them is an ass.

but there are asses out there like that! people treat celebs like they are not human

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Next, EVEN if he wanted to protect his own kids, using other kids in their place, putting THEM in danger is pretty cruel, if you ask me. Making other kids who have their own lives and families pretend for years is.. Ugh.
you seen how they are protected, and if you think about it we rarely seen him with the kids AND there face was covered, we might have seen photos of them all out but who knows when and where those were taken


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As for Michael, he doesn't look different from Thriller to now aside from the skin and nose, in my opinion, but we all know he has vitiligo (Thanks most likely to the Illuminati, as Mo and Souza have said), and we all also know that the only reason he appears white-skinned is because it was very bad and spreading all over him. How delighted the severe-vitiligo-suffering community will be to hear/see this insensitive news.
im not saying he didnt have it, im saying that i dont think he got as light as he looked. The bad video was in 1987 and he was pretty light BUT in 1989 in the liberian girl video he was brown, he wasnt as dark as he was b4 BUT darker than he was in lets say captain EO. How is that possible? i also agree, i dont think hes face changed, only his nose but the lighting of his skin cause an illusion that there was drastic changes, and doubles of course

 
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And it's just my opinon, but I really don't see the fun or glory in making the media correct for so many years and giving them and the aforementioned asses in the public more and more leverage to tear you down and bear hatred against you.

they were already tearing him down for doing nothing!!!! so why not let them tear you down about things that are not true????
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I know he liked to fool around with the media but these are serious issues, especially the vitiligo, and it seemed to cause him real suffering, although, of course that was probably just more fine acting on the part of the Oscar-deserving Michael, now wasn't it..? This:
klien did say he was a great actor! lol but seriously the way the media ruins lives and the things the illumanti does to people is serious also! protecting yourself and your kids is also serious and if it takes doubles and illusions to throw people off then thats what you have to do. Not being able to live a normal life is serious also and im sure he had plenty of time to think of how he could do that
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may be deserving of respect for the HUGE hassle it presented, but it sure does also take away a HUGE amount of likability and sincerity from his personality- it's like, damn, man, can't you do ANYTHING for real? Isn't the world phony and superficial enough? His life is hard, true, but just about every other celebrity or important figure handles it well on their own- without all the pretend games. That's my opinion..
i dont think that other celebs handle it well, and i bet there is alot more "pretending" going on that you think. and other celebs are not MJ, he is thee most famous person in the world and none of us could ever image how that feels. dislike?sincerity? For arguement sake lets say im right, how could u not like him for doing what he had to do to be a normal man? and live a normal life? remeber he didnt ask for this......
you should be a boxer lol  :D because you went round for round in explaining your theory and getting your point across
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First of all, any person in "the public" who would harm them if they saw them is an ass.

but there are asses out there like that! people treat celebs like they are not human

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Next, EVEN if he wanted to protect his own kids, using other kids in their place, putting THEM in danger is pretty cruel, if you ask me. Making other kids who have their own lives and families pretend for years is.. Ugh.
you seen how they are protected, and if you think about it we rarely seen him with the kids AND there face was covered, we might have seen photos of them all out but who knows when and where those were taken


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As for Michael, he doesn't look different from Thriller to now aside from the skin and nose, in my opinion, but we all know he has vitiligo (Thanks most likely to the Illuminati, as Mo and Souza have said), and we all also know that the only reason he appears white-skinned is because it was very bad and spreading all over him. How delighted the severe-vitiligo-suffering community will be to hear/see this insensitive news.
im not saying he didnt have it, im saying that i dont think he got as light as he looked. The bad video was in 1987 and he was pretty light BUT in 1989 in the liberian girl video he was brown, he wasnt as dark as he was b4 BUT darker than he was in lets say captain EO. How is that possible? i also agree, i dont think hes face changed, only his nose but the lighting of his skin cause an illusion that there was drastic changes, and doubles of course

 
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And it's just my opinon, but I really don't see the fun or glory in making the media correct for so many years and giving them and the aforementioned asses in the public more and more leverage to tear you down and bear hatred against you.

they were already tearing him down for doing nothing!!!! so why not let them tear you down about things that are not true????
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I know he liked to fool around with the media but these are serious issues, especially the vitiligo, and it seemed to cause him real suffering, although, of course that was probably just more fine acting on the part of the Oscar-deserving Michael, now wasn't it..? This:
klien did say he was a great actor! lol but seriously the way the media ruins lives and the things the illumanti does to people is serious also! protecting yourself and your kids is also serious and if it takes doubles and illusions to throw people off then thats what you have to do. Not being able to live a normal life is serious also and im sure he had plenty of time to think of how he could do that
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may be deserving of respect for the HUGE hassle it presented, but it sure does also take away a HUGE amount of likability and sincerity from his personality- it's like, damn, man, can't you do ANYTHING for real? Isn't the world phony and superficial enough? His life is hard, true, but just about every other celebrity or important figure handles it well on their own- without all the pretend games. That's my opinion..
i dont think that other celebs handle it well, and i bet there is alot more "pretending" going on that you think. and other celebs are not MJ, he is thee most famous person in the world and none of us could ever image how that feels. dislike?sincerity? For arguement sake lets say im right, how could u not like him for doing what he had to do to be a normal man? and live a normal life? remeber he didnt ask for this......
you should be a boxer lol  :D because you went round for round in explaining your theory and getting your point across

I cant find your 2nd vid, could you kindly please post the link to it? Thank you.
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How can you say other celebrities are handling it well, when
there have been about 10 deaths this year due to depression
and drugs and that not counting the number in clinics?
It's not just celebrities either with their "fake" lives and image
they feel they have to live up to.
Everyone is doing the best they can and we don't know what
Michael felt he had to do, as we can't know what anyone does
to cope with different pressures and conflicts they face.
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you should be a boxer lol  :D because you went round for round in explaining your theory and getting your point across
*sigh* I know I'm the "villain" about out all of this, but I'm not exactly in the meltdown state I was in the other day..

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First of all, any person in "the public" who would harm them if they saw them is an ass.

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but there are asses out there like that! people treat celebs like they are not human
Seeing as most of this seems to come from them, I don't even really know if we should call ourselves his 'fans', seeing as other peeps probably think of those barbarians that chase him around when they say that word..

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Next, EVEN if he wanted to protect his own kids, using other kids in their place, putting THEM in danger is pretty cruel, if you ask me. Making other kids who have their own lives and families pretend for years is.. Ugh.
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you seen how they are protected, and if you think about it we rarely seen him with the kids AND there face was covered, we might have seen photos of them all out but who knows when and where those were taken
I see what you mean about them going out, but if you mean all of those photos and videos that have come out since the 25th like them at  Neverland and stuff- I don't see how those kids in all of that aren't the ones we've been seeing now or how not one picture of him with his "real kids" wouldn't have leaked, however, I don't really think we should be dissecting innocent children, no matter who they are, in this.

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As for Michael, he doesn't look different from Thriller to now aside from the skin and nose, in my opinion, but we all know he has vitiligo (Thanks most likely to the Illuminati, as Mo and Souza have said), and we all also know that the only reason he appears white-skinned is because it was very bad and spreading all over him. How delighted the severe-vitiligo-suffering community will be to hear/see this insensitive news.
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im not saying he didnt have it, im saying that i dont think he got as light as he looked. The bad video was in 1987 and he was pretty light BUT in 1989 in the liberian girl video he was brown, he wasnt as dark as he was b4 BUT darker than he was in lets say captain EO. How is that possible? i also agree, i dont think hes face changed, only his nose but the lighting of his skin cause an illusion that there was drastic changes, and doubles of course
Now here is where I seemed to really misunderstand, and I apologize. IMO he looks darker in EO and lighter in L Girl though! Actually, he seems to be using a weird shade in LG that he never used again. BTW very off, but I absolutely ADORE the way he looks in that and the song..one of my favorites. And I see what you mean about the fakes causing confusion about his looks, I agree.

 
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And it's just my opinon, but I really don't see the fun or glory in making the media correct for so many years and giving them and the aforementioned asses in the public more and more leverage to tear you down and bear hatred against you.

 
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they were already tearing him down for doing nothing!!!! so why not let them tear you down about things that are not true????
Well because than he's just feeding the fire that they're tearing him down with, period, and you shouldn't give them any reason to do that at all! Because then, the more they tear, the more the public whose support you need believes and turns against you or just generally thinks you're TOO weird to even emphasize with, as I also read in that newspaper article, and your voice gets weaker and weaker.. But I was still misunderstood about the vitiligo thing here, so I think our opinions equally contribute.. which is confusing.

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I know he liked to fool around with the media but these are serious issues, especially the vitiligo, and it seemed to cause him real suffering, although, of course that was probably just more fine acting on the part of the Oscar-deserving Michael, now wasn't it..? This:
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klien did say he was a great actor! lol but seriously the way the media ruins lives and the things the illumanti does to people is serious also! protecting yourself and your kids is also serious and if it takes doubles and illusions to throw people off then thats what you have to do. Not being able to live a normal life is serious also and im sure he had plenty of time to think of how he could do that
I still thought you meant about vitiligo here, and I understand better now.

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may be deserving of respect for the HUGE hassle it presented, but it sure does also take away a HUGE amount of likability and sincerity from his personality- it's like, damn, man, can't you do ANYTHING for real? Isn't the world phony and superficial enough? His life is hard, true, but just about every other celebrity or important figure handles it well on their own- without all the pretend games. That's my opinion..
i dont think that other celebs handle it well, and i bet there is alot more "pretending" going on that you think. and other celebs are not MJ, he is thee most famous person in the world and none of us could ever image how that feels. dislike?sincerity? For arguement sake lets say im right, how could u not like him for doing what he had to do to be a normal man? and live a normal life? remeber he didnt ask for this......
That may be so about other celebs, but I think we're a little generous about that most famous man in the world thing, nowadays especially. People like Madonna, Pitt and Jolie, Beyonce' are awfully close to his level of recognition around the world, and much as I hate to say it, certainly more well- respected and again, now, probably more popular.. Like I said I understand what you mean a lot better now, but I just hope that besides his appearance he has been real and sincere and not phony..
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I see what you mean about them going out, but if you mean all of those photos and videos that have come out since the 25th like them at  Neverland and stuff- I don't see how those kids in all of that aren't the ones we've been seeing now or how not one picture of him with his "real kids" wouldn't have leaked, however, I don't really think we should be dissecting innocent children, no matter who they are, in this.

what im saying is if we all agree that this is a hox, and we all agree that this is has been planned for a long time, before 1996, how far fetched is it that he had the SAME KIDS AS HIS KIDS?? what if those are really klines or debbies kids and they are ok with it? he has known them there whole life? also note that we didnt see the footage until AFTER DEATH, without the faces blurried..how hard is it to have the kids a couple of times a year for an outting, or xmas footage or photoshoots to make it seem more real? without that footage who would have know those WERE the same kids we seen at the memorial? also princes hair was dyed and currently it looks like they all wear lace front wigs so we STILL may not know what they really look like....

People wanted to see mike with kids and married rite? he gave them what they wanted, just wasnt the real deal. if you go back to his diane sawyer interview and watch the man in the mirror movie with all of that in mind it will make more sense!

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Now here is where I seemed to really misunderstand, and I apologize. IMO he looks darker in EO and lighter in L Girl though! Actually, he seems to be using a weird shade in LG that he never used again. BTW very off, but I absolutely ADORE the way he looks in that and the song..one of my favorites. And I see what you mean about the fakes causing confusion about his looks, I agree.
If you go to youtube and watch the captain eo footage and then look at him at the end of LB he is darker. I agree that he looks soo hadsome in that video! and there is no doubt that that is him at the end
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Well because than he's just feeding the fire that they're tearing him down with, period, and you shouldn't give them any reason to do that at all! Because then, the more they tear, the more the public whose support you need believes and turns against you or just generally thinks you're TOO weird to even emphasize with, as I also read in that newspaper article, and your voice gets weaker and weaker.. But I was still misunderstood about the vitiligo thing here, so I think our opinions equally contribute.. which is confusing.
I think he has vitiligo! i also think that gave it to him and it was there plan to destroy his career and also for the black community to not like him. There is a difference in being tore down for no reason AND giving them a reason just because. Reguardless they were going to do it so why not plant events or do things to cause drama aka PR. celebs do it all the time.


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That may be so about other celebs, but I think we're a little generous about that most famous man in the world thing, nowadays especially. People like Madonna, Pitt and Jolie, Beyonce' are awfully close to his level of recognition around the world, and much as I hate to say it, certainly more well- respected and again, now, probably more popular.. Like I said I understand what you mean a lot better now, but I just hope that besides his appearance he has been real and sincere and not phony
NO ONE is as popular as mj is/was there is no celeb that you can compare to mj in the 80s! and as far as him being sincere i think he was. When i say phony i mean , the wifes,kids, doubles and some of the PR stunts..blanket dangling, the mask ect. him wanting a better world, not fake, his love for people, not fake and thats all that matters. so what if we may have never seen his real wifes or kids? so what if he is actually still brown and doesnt have long hair? he was still a humanitarian and a great artist. just because your famous doesnt mean that everyone has to know you business and just because your famous doesnt mean you kids/wife have to be either. giving his kids the chance to go to real schools, have real friends who like them for them and a childhood is priceless. him being about to do things and go places with his family without being harrassed is priceless. remember he said family first
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do you think 1998 could mean 1989?
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do you think 1998 could mean 1989?


What are you reffering to? Where is the 1998 coming from? :?
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do you think 1998 could mean 1989?


What are you reffering to? Where is the 1998 coming from? :?
well there is a thread on here and titles something about 1998..and people suspected that Michael was predicting the year he would die or the year he would start the hoax...my theory is that maybe 1998 could be subliminal for 1989 being the year that michael said that he the Bad Tour to be his last
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I see what you mean about them going out, but if you mean all of those photos and videos that have come out since the 25th like them at  Neverland and stuff- I don't see how those kids in all of that aren't the ones we've been seeing now or how not one picture of him with his "real kids" wouldn't have leaked, however, I don't really think we should be dissecting innocent children, no matter who they are, in this.

what im saying is if we all agree that this is a hox, and we all agree that this is has been planned for a long time, before 1996, how far fetched is it that he had the SAME KIDS AS HIS KIDS?? what if those are really klines or debbies kids and they are ok with it? he has known them there whole life? also note that we didnt see the footage until AFTER DEATH, without the faces blurried..how hard is it to have the kids a couple of times a year for an outting, or xmas footage or photoshoots to make it seem more real? without that footage who would have know those WERE the same kids we seen at the memorial? also princes hair was dyed and currently it looks like they all wear lace front wigs so we STILL may not know what they really look like....

People wanted to see mike with kids and married rite? he gave them what they wanted, just wasnt the real deal.
That last line, who cares if they want to see that or not? You handle your buisness and tell them to shut up and stay out of it, unless they want to be lied to and made to feel like idiots- although people didn't even believe that he loved her OR that those kids are even his, so further proof what a great idea THAT was..

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Now here is where I seemed to really misunderstand, and I apologize. IMO he looks darker in EO and lighter in L Girl though! Actually, he seems to be using a weird shade in LG that he never used again. BTW very off, but I absolutely ADORE the way he looks in that and the song..one of my favorites. And I see what you mean about the fakes causing confusion about his looks, I agree.
If you go to youtube and watch the captain eo footage and then look at him at the end of LB he is darker. I agree that he looks soo hadsome in that video! and there is no doubt that that is him at the end
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Well because than he's just feeding the fire that they're tearing him down with, period, and you shouldn't give them any reason to do that at all! Because then, the more they tear, the more the public whose support you need believes and turns against you or just generally thinks you're TOO weird to even emphasize with, as I also read in that newspaper article, and your voice gets weaker and weaker.. But I was still misunderstood about the vitiligo thing here, so I think our opinions equally contribute.. which is confusing.
I think he has vitiligo! i also think that gave it to him and it was there plan to destroy his career and also for the black community to not like him. There is a difference in being tore down for no reason AND giving them a reason just because. Reguardless they were going to do it so why not plant events or do things to cause drama aka PR. celebs do it all the time.

I guess you have a point there.

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That may be so about other celebs, but I think we're a little generous about that most famous man in the world thing, nowadays especially. People like Madonna, Pitt and Jolie, Beyonce' are awfully close to his level of recognition around the world, and much as I hate to say it, certainly more well- respected and again, now, probably more popular.. Like I said I understand what you mean a lot better now, but I just hope that besides his appearance he has been real and sincere and not phony
NO ONE is as popular as mj is/was there is no celeb that you can compare to mj in the 80s! and as far as him being sincere i think he was. When i say phony i mean , the wifes,kids, doubles and some of the PR stunts..blanket dangling, the mask ect. him wanting a better world, not fake, his love for people, not fake and thats all that matters. so what if we may have never seen his real wifes or kids? so what if he is actually still brown and doesnt have long hair? he was still a humanitarian and a great artist. just because your famous doesnt mean that everyone has to know you business and just because your famous doesnt mean you kids/wife have to be either. giving his kids the chance to go to real schools, have real friends who like them for them and a childhood is priceless. him being about to do things and go places with his family without being harrassed is priceless. remember he said family first
Well first of all I love his long hair! JK, jk, but the idea of long DREADLOCKS is absolutely appealing, too, LOL! I see what you mean about his family, and I often think about all the secret relationships he may have had. I hope if he's in one now and if those those aren't his kids we get to see the real ones- they don't have to be famous, of course, but I hope if they aren't what we've seen that we get to see their REAL, LOVING connection and feel so happy for him, right? If that is the case than I wish he hadn't talked about himself as if he were suffering so badly if he was happy in private, because I'll tell that before the 25th I cried a few times just out of feeling sorry for him.. if he did hide all that family buisness don't you agree that it's not such a good choice to not have at least SAID something like, "But I feel so loved off of the stage, you don't even know" instead of letting everyone get all depressed and feeling so sorry for him? (I just got through reading posts from other members just hours earlier who were getting all teary about his lonliness)
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That last line, who cares if they want to see that or not? You handle your buisness and tell them to shut up and stay out of it, unless they want to be lied to and made to feel like idiots- although people didn't even believe that he loved her OR that those kids are even his, so further proof what a great idea THAT was.
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I think the things with the kids and wifes were to give people something to talk about, both being white women, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH INTERRACIAL DATING, but with them saying he wanted to be white. the kiss with lisa marie, debbie rowe! and the kids not looking mixed,NOT SAYING ALL MIXED PEOPLE LOOK THE SAME. Princes hair was bleached blond when he was a kid..lol no mom for the kids, lying about if they were his or not, concieved natural or not. I think the point of that was all PR it kept his name in the media, it kept people talking!it wasnt suppose to be believable, just like all the doubles, i think people where suppose to catch on along time ago but didnt

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[Well first of all I love his long hair! JK, jk, but the idea of long DREADLOCKS is absolutely appealing, too, LOL! I see what you mean about his family, and I often think about all the secret relationships he may have had. I hope if he's in one now and if those those aren't his kids we get to see the real ones- they don't have to be famous, of course, but I hope if they aren't what we've seen that we get to see their REAL, LOVING connection and feel so happy for him, right? If that is the case than I wish he hadn't talked about himself as if he were suffering so badly if he was happy in private
I also think he had plenty of relationships! I also want to see his kids! i hope they look just like him lol I dont think he was lying about being unhappy. I think with any famous person there is a struggle with finding someone you trust ect and the fact that he even had to do this is sad and maybe the kids and wifes are a mirror of his real life just with "actors" 2 divorces, 3 or 4 kids, different mothers, single father,kids before marriage..ect i guess time will tell

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, because I'll tell that before the 25th I cried a few times just out of feeling sorry for him.. if he did hide all that family buisness don't you agree that it's not such a good choice to not have at least SAID something like, "But I feel so loved off of the stage, you don't even know" instead of letting everyone get all depressed and feeling so sorry for him? (I just got through reading posts from other members just hours earlier who were getting all teary about his lonliness)
but maybe he was lonely off stage, maybe he knew he only had a small, small circle. Maybe hes kids were all he had like he said,even with dating. you can date/marry/have children and still feel lonely
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That last line, who cares if they want to see that or not? You handle your buisness and tell them to shut up and stay out of it, unless they want to be lied to and made to feel like idiots- although people didn't even believe that he loved her OR that those kids are even his, so further proof what a great idea THAT was.
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I think the things with the kids and wifes were to give people something to talk about, both being white women, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH INTERRACIAL DATING, but with them saying he wanted to be white. the kiss with lisa marie, debbie rowe! and the kids not looking mixed,NOT SAYING ALL MIXED PEOPLE LOOK THE SAME. Princes hair was bleached blond when he was a kid..lol no mom for the kids, lying about if they were his or not, concieved natural or not. I think the point of that was all PR it kept his name in the media, it kept people talking!it wasnt suppose to be believable, just like all the doubles, i think people where suppose to catch on along time ago but didnt
Hm, I think those kids look biracial and like him, but they could be like nephews and a niece or something.. I also think that if he wanted people to talk about interracial dating he would have set it up so it would be done in a more positive way.


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[Well first of all I love his long hair! JK, jk, but the idea of long DREADLOCKS is absolutely appealing, too, LOL! I see what you mean about his family, and I often think about all the secret relationships he may have had. I hope if he's in one now and if those those aren't his kids we get to see the real ones- they don't have to be famous, of course, but I hope if they aren't what we've seen that we get to see their REAL, LOVING connection and feel so happy for him, right? If that is the case than I wish he hadn't talked about himself as if he were suffering so badly if he was happy in private
I also think he had plenty of relationships! I also want to see his kids! i hope they look just like him lol I dont think he was lying about being unhappy. I think with any famous person there is a struggle with finding someone you trust ect and the fact that he even had to do this is sad and maybe the kids and wifes are a mirror of his real life just with "actors" 2 divorces, 3 or 4 kids, different mothers, single father,kids before marriage..ect i guess time will tell

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, because I'll tell that before the 25th I cried a few times just out of feeling sorry for him.. if he did hide all that family buisness don't you agree that it's not such a good choice to not have at least SAID something like, "But I feel so loved off of the stage, you don't even know" instead of letting everyone get all depressed and feeling so sorry for him? (I just got through reading posts from other members just hours earlier who were getting all teary about his lonliness)
but maybe he was lonely off stage, maybe he knew he only had a small, small circle. Maybe hes kids were all he had like he said,even with dating. you can date/marry/have children and still feel lonely
You're right I suppose, I just pray all the time that it hasn't been as intensely lonely as some think.. he DOES NOT deserve that. Thanks for the interesting talk, LOL.. and I still wanna see him in dreadlocks! (It would look especially interesting and one-of-a-kind in like HIStory or Vince or the recent years)
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What are you reffering to? Where is the 1998 coming from? :?
well there is a thread on here and titles something about 1998..and people suspected that Michael was predicting the year he would die or the year he would start the hoax...my theory is that maybe 1998 could be subliminal for 1989 being the year that michael said that he the Bad Tour to be his last

Did the dangerous era come right after the BAD era? Cause if this is the case maybe it meant that it was the year he broke free, that he started fighting back and stopped being controlled and used by illuminati/NWO? If we buy into this illuminati and NWO theory? Just a thought I guess. :?
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