Does anyone go to Forrest Lawn yesterday ? The 3. ?

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Does anyone go to Forrest Lawn yesterday ? The 3. ?

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Hallo,
it was postet that fans always go on the 3. of each month to the grave....i heard it the first time last month.
I remember that users from this forum wanted to go, but i can't find the post.
Has someone hear about the meeting yesterday ?
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yeap wasnt a gang from the site supposed to go

is anything on the mjjcommunity?

well i have just had a look and i cant find anything

someone may have better luck
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Yes, I was there as I promised.
I have a problem sending photos to my email in order to attach them that's why I did not want to open topic.
However, I will post pictures later.
I was there at 10.30 to 1.30. During the the time I was there I did not see family members or media, or anyone whom we know.
  At the beginning when I got there was quiet. No security outside of the Holly Terrace door. Those families who have their relatives buried there have their key to open the door and enter, or if they forgot the key, they push the bell, security asks who is it, they say whos family they belong and they automatically open  locked door for them.
If you are just a public visitor, you cannot enter.
So, I was sitting in  my car and wating. later VAN arrived to Holly Terrace and woman was carrying flowers and FEDex package. She got in and when she got out, I approached to her and asked to whom she was taking flowers to and who is she. She said flowers were for Michael and she is an employee at forest lawn delivering ordered flowers to  deceased. I asked how often she delivers flowers for Michael, she said very often. Since she was barely speaking and understanding english, I did not ask her much questions. Then another car arrived and woman got out. I approached her and were talking for 2,5 hours. Before I write our conversation, I want to mention that group of french women arrived with shick bouque of a few flowers, toys, and memory cards from french fans. They were friends of the woman I was talking to. Then a few other native fans also arrived with flowers, stand there, cry, talk, get puctures. Security definitely watching outside because in a few min. door was oppened to take flowers in. I asked to let french guests in and of course try to get in myself, but he said NO.  
The french woman I was talking to, was a doctor, late but big fan of Michael, after he "died" she was reading and investigating for herself Michael's "death". She BELIEVS IN HOAX. She was pretty much aware of everything we are disgussing. SHE SAID FRANCE GET INFO ABOUT MICHAEL FROM TMZ AND SHE THINKS TMZ IS WITH JACKSON FAMILY. SHE SAID SHE IS COMING TO FOREST LAWN EVERY DAY FOR MINIMUM AN HOUR AND ONE DAY SHE WAS LUCKY TO GET IN HOLLY TERRACE ALONG WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ENTERED FOR THEIR RELATIVE. SHE SAW MICHAEL'S GRAVE AND THERE IS NO NAME OR DATE ON IT. THEN, SHE SAID SHE ASKED SECURITY WHO IS SITTING ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE GREAT MAUSOLEUM , HOW OFTEN MICHAEL'S PARENTS, CHILDREN, FAMILY VISITING CEMETERY SINCE BURIAL, SECURITY TOLD HER NONE, SHE WISHES AT LEAST ONCE TO SEE THEM THERE.
(REMEMBER BROTHERS WENT TO CEMETERY IN JACKSON FAMILY DYNASTY? SO THEY WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT FOREST LAWN FOR SURE).
SHE ASO SAID, AS A DOCTOR, SHE HAS READ AUTOPCY REPORT AND THERE ARE MANY MEDICALLY IMPOSSIBLE THINGS WRITTEN DOWN. SHE SAID, AT THE FOREST LAWN, SHE WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE AND HOW COULD FUNERAL WE SAW ON TV BE POSSIBLY THE SAME PLACE AS SHE SEES. THERE IS NO WAY FUNERAL WAS LIVE TRANSLATION  AT THE FOREST LAWN. BECAUCE ARCHS ON TV APPEARED TO BE STRIGHT ALONG WITH  CASKET AND SITTING PLACES, BUT THE REAL ROAD AT FOREST LAWN HAS WIND AND UPRISE, SO IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE THE FLAT STRAIGHT ROAD ON FUNERAL  WE WERE WATCHING .
THEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT PAINT "MAD HATTER" BY CELINE LAVAIL THAT WAS ORDERED BY MICHAEL, DRAWN THE DATE OF THE "DEATH", AND SIGNED MY MICHAEL. ( I WANT TO MENTION THAT SHE WAS HARDLY SPEAKING ENGLISH, SO I MIGHT MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING OR SHE COULD NOT EXPRESS HER SPEECH CORRECTLY).
SHE WILL BE GOING TOMORROW TO THE COURT, SHE IS PLANNING TO VISIT NEVERLAND, SHE WAS AT STAPLES. SHE ASKED IF  AMERICA BELIEVES IN HOAX AND WHY NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. I EXPLAINED THAT AMERICA CANNOT SPEAK OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE JACKSON FAMILY ACCEPTED MICHAEL DIED, THEY  ORGANIZED MEMORIAL, SHOWED FUNERAL, SIGNED DEATH CERTIFICATE, AND JARMAINE ANNOUNCED HIS DEATH. SHE SAID -VERY STRANGE. I AGREED, BUT WE CANNOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT FAMILY ACCEPTS, THAT WOULD BE DISRESPECT AND LED TO LAWSUIT. EVEN THOUGH MAY BE MAJORITY BELIEVE IN HOAX BUT THEY WILL NOT TALK , EXCEPT SOME WEB SITES LIKE THIS ONE AND OVERSEAS. I GAVE HER THIS WEBSITE TO JOIN US, I HAVE HER EMAIL FOR FUTURE COMMUNICATION.
THE FUNNY PART WAS WHEN SHE SAID HER GIRLFIRENDS NOT TALKING TO HER BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN MICHAEL'S DEATH, THEREFORE THEY ARRIVED AT FOREST LAWS SEPARATE. :lol: SHE SAID SHE KNOWS THAT MICHALE'S KIDS OFTEN FLY TO NEW YORK WITH GRACE. SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN ATTORNEY WHO IS HAPPEN TO BE ELIZABETH TAYLOR SON. SHE BELIEVES THAT MJ GIVES US CLUES BECAUSE HE LOVES AND VALUES US. SHE BELIEVES HE MOST PROBABLY WILL BE BACK BUT NOT THAT SOON.
I PROMISE TO POST PICTURES LATER, NOT MUCH BUT SOMETHING. IF I REMEMBER ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR CONVERSATION, I WILL POST IT. Stay cool! Happy Easter to us and Dearest Michael!
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Who Needs Proof? We All Do!
"People write negatives things because they feel that's what sells. Good news, to them, doesn't sell." ~ Michael Jackson



Mmm-hmmm.

At a time when MJ fans are coming together in a focused, diligent effort to fight for justice in his name, the UK tabloid Daily Star chose today to publish unkind, unsubstantiated reports that some have paid bribes for the opportunity to visit his final resting place:

£3K Bribes To See Michael Jackson's Burial Site.

Who they're paying is unclear, it just says employees and former employees. What payroll are/were they on? Jackson? Forest Lawn? People have been interpreting it both ways.

This is the first clue that the story has a lot of holes in it, punctuated with a possible agenda. Regardless, this "news" has already begun to go viral on the internet as unquestionable fact.

I have questions. Like, how reliable is the source? They sound out of the loop and behind the times to me.

"They are littering the crypt with memorabilia and even posing for macabre photos by the megastar’s marble tomb."

The hundreds of tributes that adorn the area surrounding his sarcophagus are not left by a handful of fans. They have been delivered to the Holly Terrace patio doors in organized group gatherings and by individual visitors. Items that include flowers and balloons are then placed inside by cemetery personnel alone, no fans go in with. I have witnessed this many times, both large amounts from groups and single offerings.

Additionally, Forest Lawn confirmed to me in February that the Jackson family was made aware of these tributes by a high-ranking Forest Lawn executive and as a result asked that non-perishable items like cards, photos, artwork and letters be collected for them as they amass.

If any photos of fans posing in front of the sarcophagus exist, disrespectfully or otherwise, I haven't seen them published anywhere online. I've Googled my little fingers raw looking.  If you have seen them, please send me the link.

“The family are now taking steps to drastically reduce the number of people able to visit Michael’s burial site and security has been tightened up. As part of the new measures, the list of people actually allowed into the mausoleum will now include family only and no one else.”

Forest Lawn confirmed to me that the Jacksons did edit a previously-robust list of approved visitor names down to just family members. Only family, or individuals personally accompanied by a family member, are allowed to visit MJ.  

This, however, is not a new measure.

According to what Forest Lawn officials told me months ago, this decision was made after private photos which originally appeared on Facebook (I can confirm, I saw them there) ended up as exclusives on TMZ in October. I touched on those controversial images on this blog in November after communicating with primary sources involved in the situation.

I've heard, from multiple sources including insiders at Forest Lawn, about details involving investigations made into who sold what to whom and for how much since Michael died. Bribes have never been a part of those conversations and neither has paperwork that would back up anything I've heard.

Let me clarify one important point -- discussion is one thing, but without documented proof of any such allegations, speculating further on it in writing on the internet as fact puts us all in the irresponsibly slanderous gutter with the tabloids.

Not going there.

And I urge you not to either.

With so many other important issues looming on the Justice For Michael Jackson front today -- Conrad Murray's next court date on April 5 for starters -- why in the world would the family leak this particular story now? To what end?

It just doesn't make sense. Is it just me, or do you hear a big ole ax grinding somewhere in Unidentified Sourceland? Someone wants our collective attention without proving themselves worthy of it. It annoys me to no end.

There is a bigger picture here, too.

The additional danger in accepting this article as fact is that hundreds of innocent fans who have had the opportunity to visit Forest Lawn respectfully, to spend time at the Holly Terrace patio in order to express and process their grief (as people do in a cemetery) are being maligned. Moreover, this healing opportunity could be jeopardized in the future because of it.

And for what?

It very well may be true that at least one individual paid someone to get inside the mausoleum and do whatever. That, if proven, would be the real story. If I can verify it, you'll read about it here.

In the meantime, please keep in mind that this type of storytelling is purposely distortive and intentionally destructive. It lacks value and integrity. It's propaganda.

The tabloids don't care about your or me -- or backing up allegations with proof -- they care about making a profit and a name for themselves by breaking stories that other media will pick up on and give them credit for.

I hesitated to write about this because I didn't want to give this story another bump online, nor take the focus off of the amazing fan justice campaign currently in full swing.  But so many of you have asked me about it that I felt you deserved a response, and that this editorial was the right way to do it.

Thank you for your emails and messages, and for caring enough to seek out the truth in a responsible manner.

Ask questions.

Demand proof.

Make that change.
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thankyou for this...xxxx
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@ scorpionchik excellent work - woman of your word

what feeling did you get?

[please no caps difficult to read  :D]
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Sorry, I thought with caps to emphasize important part and easier to read.  :) Feeling about what? Hoax? Yes, it is a hoax.
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Quote from: "scorpionchik"
Sorry, I thought with caps to emphasize important part and easier to read.  :) Feeling about what? Hoax? Yes, it is a hoax.

did you feel mike

what did you feel

what sense did you feel

i cant get there  - in the UK
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The family are now taking steps to drastically reduce the number of people able to visit Michael’s burial site and security has been tightened up. As part of the new measures, the list of people actually allowed into the mausoleum will now include family only and no one else.”

Not allowed to "Mausoleum"? This is NOT right comment. People NOT allowed in to the Holly Terrace. Entrance to Great Mausoleum is open, free, and no restriction. These are 2 different buildings, a little far from each other. When you get  there, first you see Great Mausoleum, I went inside the Mausoleum at my 1st time. Then you turn left by uprise curve to get Holly Terrace on the left.
I don't think there could be bribery possible to get in. Security would not even open the door widely to take flowers in.
By the way, I did not take flowers because I don't believe or FEEL Michael is there. That's the only reason. Sorry.
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that is very interesting.......xxxx
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Big Thank you scorpionchik sharing this, very interesting and strengthen us in
believing ;)  :P
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Now I'm starting to cry when you speak about Michael's grave. I don't know if these are tears of sadness or joy, since there was no name on the grave? I thought there were always names on the graves. And no family members has visited the grave? I find these things kinda strange. And that's a good thing. Right?


Good job, by the way, scorpionchik! I can't wait to see these pictures. : 3
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What a nice and inspiring thread!
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you will have the pictures soon. For some reason I have a problem to send them from my cell to my email. I also have a short video of fans and my conversation with that woman. When I try to send as a msg, it says too long. I have to figure this out and will post.
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2 thumbs up for this post.  I love it.  so the family has NEVER visited. that is interesting ;)
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IMO, if Michael is really there, they should put his name on the burial site.  It shows disrespect for not putting a name on a gravesite.  There are several people there that are just as widely known as Michael and they have their name on their grave.  Why not Michael?  Because he is not there.
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This post makes me happy. Thank you so much for sharing.
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Quote from: "Syringa"
Now I'm starting to cry when you speak about Michael's grave. I don't know if these are tears of sadness or joy, since there was no name on the grave? I thought there were always names on the graves. And no family members has visited the grave? I find these things kinda strange. And that's a good thing. Right?

I totally understand where you are coming from..  because if it is true that Michael is there (and there is a possibility he has died and is buried in the Masuoleum)...   then the fact that there is no name on the tomb.. and no family has visited is heart breaking.  Absolutely heart breaking.

And then add to that that Karen Faye was paid to take those photos and give them to TMZ (which she did, we all know it)...  then my poor, poor Michael is being abandoned and sold out even now.
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@scorpionchik
i thank so so very much for your post ! Lucky one who was there !!! I wish i could see all the places...
There is so much weird.....no name on the grave...no family visits... there is only one reason a think....he is alive....but what a disturb for all the real visitors of the graves in the Great Mausoleum and so much work for the personal of Forest Lawn....

Is it rearly so that the ppl in LA believe Michael is dead and all it's right with the Murray Case ? All the clues ?
It was very nice to see some pictures from you, if it's possible.

Thank you so much !
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2 thumbs up for this post.  I love it.  so the family has NEVER visited. that is interesting ;)
Not even on his birthday.  That speaks volumes.  First birthday after death, almost all family members go for a visit, some even have a mock celebration.  But NONE.  Big clue.  Oh, I forget, Jehovah's witnesses.  They don't celebrate.
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"Don't stop this child, He's the father of man
Don't cross his way, He's part of the plan
I am that child, but so are you
You've just forgotten, Just lost the clue.”

MJ "Magical Child"
Still Rocking my World…
   and leaving me Speechless!

“True goodbyes are the ones never said

Offline Venus

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Quote from: underthemoon
There is so much weird.....no name on the grave...no family visits... there is only one reason a think....he is alive....
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There can be another reason - his body (if he passed)is just not there.  They secretely moved it somewhere else.

If he's alive they probably believe in bad luck or something that's why there's no name...
I guess Mj reserved the place for future. who knows?
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Thank you soo much for this post! :mrgreen:
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Here you go. I have 3 more struggling to get to my email Will post later again.
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Sometime I wish I could go there, sitting for a few moment, just thinking, watching people come and go, listening to the wind in the trees, to the traffic far away, wondering where birds crossing the sky are going. Maybe I would try to imagine things in the shape of the clouds...Then I would just try to concentrate so hard that my soul would find Michael's soul and tell him "why don't you come, Nature is so beautyfull today" Maybe for one second I would hope Michael would come without I notice and just sit beside me. I wouldn't speak to him, I would just look at him, then I would look at the sky, hold his hand and smile.
I can't go to that place, so anytime I have such dreams, I just go outside at night for a walk and I look at the stars and I just hope he can watch them at the same time.
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Yes, I did go too. I went with my wife. She is French and could speak with the French fans that were there. They said that they were there everyday to represent fans that could not be there. When we first arrived they were laying out cards and flowers. We left after a bit but came back around 2pm. There was June Gatlin speaking to the fans. She was MJ's psychic, the one that MJ told he was afraid of Tohme Tohme. I didn't catch all of it, but she was saying that we shouldn't let people push us around like some did to Michael. She also said we should honor children and then had all the children there get up and were applauded.

Then security had all of us gather around for this announcement:
Everyone has to follow the rules and regulations of FL or you stand the chance of getting kicked out.
FL is gracious enough to let you in, so you have to follow the rules. NO trying to sneak in or picture taking when the doors of Holly Terrace opens up! (maybe that's because some tried to sneak in before)? He also said not to try anything funny, because he is a black belt in karate. He said that jokingly though. To me he looked like a spitting image of Phillip Seymour Hoffman.

I was surprised how steep the road was in front of Holly Terrace. On TV it didn't see to be on a grade. It was hard to tell with all the aerial footage of the funeral, but the footage from the ground did show a slope if you really look. The stage with the coffin was built up level. You can see that in the footage from the back of the stage when it was still light out.
The arches in the back were off to the side where they should be. The reason they looked closer was due to the fact they used a telephoto lens. That type of lens compresses the image. Objects in the background appear much closer than they really are.
I always had a question about the paths and trees in some pictures and no paths and trees in other pictures or film. Well, I found out for myself. Due to camera angles and types of lenses, you can get different perspectives. I have been a photographer for a long time and know this and saw this for myself on Saturday. I do believe now that the funeral was done there. That floating light was on my mind though.
That doesn't make me believe MJ has really passed. There is a lot of other things that make me think differently.

Another thing is when we went to the Great Mausoleum, on the Guestbook it said not to write anything to Michael Jackson. They will give you a piece of paper to write on and it will be put in the appropriate place. Maybe the garbage since he is not really there?:)

One thing about this trip was it showed me all the LOVE the world has for Michael.





There are more pics on my Flikr page:
http://http://www.flickr.com/photos/29849820@N07/

Em
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Em, what time you were there? I left at 1.30 and did not see the croud on your picture or may be I was talking to one of the french woman a little away from the entrance. I got pictured with those french women that appeared on your last picture who is puting cards on the ground. I have that picture but cannot  send to my email, damn it. So, there were more fans after I left. I am sorry I could not stay longer.

"That doesn't make me believe MJ has really passed"

Exactly! That's what we are are talking about.   :D
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Quote from: "scorpionchik"
Em, what time you were there? I left at 1.30 and did not see the croud on your picture or may be I was talking to one of the french woman a little away from the entrance. I got pictured with those french women that appeared on your last picture who is puting cards on the ground. I have that picture but cannot  send to my email, damn it. So, there were more fans after I left. I am sorry I could not stay longer.

"That doesn't make me believe MJ has really passed"

Exactly! That's what we are are talking about.   :D

We got there about 12:30. We stayed at Holly Terrace for a while and then went for a tour of the grounds. We went to see "The Last Supper" stained glass in the Great Mausoleum and then went to see the HUGE 195 X 45 foot painting of "The Crucifixion" at The Hall of the Crucifixion-Resurrection. We also toured the rest of the grounds. We went back to Holly Terrace about 2PM. That's when June Gatlin (funny her name is JUNE) was in progress. All these times are approximate, I didn't have a watch on.
 

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So, I was there at the time you arrived but was too busy talking to the doctor from France. I was at Great Mausoleum 1st time and thought MJ is there and looking for his "box", then listen Last Supper story and left. Then figure out that MJ "is resting in Holly Terrace" and this was my 3nd trip to FL.
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Yes, I was there as I promised.
I have a problem sending photos to my email in order to attach them that's why I did not want to open topic.
However, I will post pictures later.
I was there at 10.30 to 1.30. During the the time I was there I did not see family members or media, or anyone whom we know.
  At the beginning when I got there was quiet. No security outside of the Holly Terrace door. Those families who have their relatives buried there have their key to open the door and enter, or if they forgot the key, they push the bell, security asks who is it, they say whos family they belong and they automatically open  locked door for them.
If you are just a public visitor, you cannot enter.
So, I was sitting in  my car and wating. later VAN arrived to Holly Terrace and woman was carrying flowers and FEDex package. She got in and when she got out, I approached to her and asked to whom she was taking flowers to and who is she. She said flowers were for Michael and she is an employee at forest lawn delivering ordered flowers to  deceased. I asked how often she delivers flowers for Michael, she said very often. Since she was barely speaking and understanding english, I did not ask her much questions. Then another car arrived and woman got out. I approached her and were talking for 2,5 hours. Before I write our conversation, I want to mention that group of french women arrived with shick bouque of a few flowers, toys, and memory cards from french fans. They were friends of the woman I was talking to. Then a few other native fans also arrived with flowers, stand there, cry, talk, get puctures. Security definitely watching outside because in a few min. door was oppened to take flowers in. I asked to let french guests in and of course try to get in myself, but he said NO.  
The french woman I was talking to, was a doctor, late but big fan of Michael, after he "died" she was reading and investigating for herself Michael's "death". She BELIEVS IN HOAX. She was pretty much aware of everything we are disgussing. SHE SAID FRANCE GET INFO ABOUT MICHAEL FROM TMZ AND SHE THINKS TMZ IS WITH JACKSON FAMILY. SHE SAID SHE IS COMING TO FOREST LAWN EVERY DAY FOR MINIMUM AN HOUR AND ONE DAY SHE WAS LUCKY TO GET IN HOLLY TERRACE ALONG WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ENTERED FOR THEIR RELATIVE. SHE SAW MICHAEL'S GRAVE AND THERE IS NO NAME OR DATE ON IT. THEN, SHE SAID SHE ASKED SECURITY WHO IS SITTING ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE GREAT MAUSOLEUM , HOW OFTEN MICHAEL'S PARENTS, CHILDREN, FAMILY VISITING CEMETERY SINCE BURIAL, SECURITY TOLD HER NONE, SHE WISHES AT LEAST ONCE TO SEE THEM THERE.
(REMEMBER BROTHERS WENT TO CEMETERY IN JACKSON FAMILY DYNASTY? SO THEY WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT FOREST LAWN FOR SURE).
SHE ASO SAID, AS A DOCTOR, SHE HAS READ AUTOPCY REPORT AND THERE ARE MANY MEDICALLY IMPOSSIBLE THINGS WRITTEN DOWN. SHE SAID, AT THE FOREST LAWN, SHE WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE AND HOW COULD FUNERAL WE SAW ON TV BE POSSIBLY THE SAME PLACE AS SHE SEES. THERE IS NO WAY FUNERAL WAS LIVE TRANSLATION  AT THE FOREST LAWN. BECAUCE ARCHS ON TV APPEARED TO BE STRIGHT ALONG WITH  CASKET AND SITTING PLACES, BUT THE REAL ROAD AT FOREST LAWN HAS WIND AND UPRISE, SO IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE THE FLAT STRAIGHT ROAD ON FUNERAL  WE WERE WATCHING .
THEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT PAINT "MAD HATTER" BY CELINE LAVAIL THAT WAS ORDERED BY MICHAEL, DRAWN THE DATE OF THE "DEATH", AND SIGNED MY MICHAEL. ( I WANT TO MENTION THAT SHE WAS HARDLY SPEAKING ENGLISH, SO I MIGHT MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING OR SHE COULD NOT EXPRESS HER SPEECH CORRECTLY).
SHE WILL BE GOING TOMORROW TO THE COURT, SHE IS PLANNING TO VISIT NEVERLAND, SHE WAS AT STAPLES. SHE ASKED IF  AMERICA BELIEVES IN HOAX AND WHY NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. I EXPLAINED THAT AMERICA CANNOT SPEAK OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE JACKSON FAMILY ACCEPTED MICHAEL DIED, THEY  ORGANIZED MEMORIAL, SHOWED FUNERAL, SIGNED DEATH CERTIFICATE, AND JARMAINE ANNOUNCED HIS DEATH. SHE SAID -VERY STRANGE. I AGREED, BUT WE CANNOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT FAMILY ACCEPTS, THAT WOULD BE DISRESPECT AND LED TO LAWSUIT. EVEN THOUGH MAY BE MAJORITY BELIEVE IN HOAX BUT THEY WILL NOT TALK , EXCEPT SOME WEB SITES LIKE THIS ONE AND OVERSEAS. I GAVE HER THIS WEBSITE TO JOIN US, I HAVE HER EMAIL FOR FUTURE COMMUNICATION.
THE FUNNY PART WAS WHEN SHE SAID HER GIRLFIRENDS NOT TALKING TO HER BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN MICHAEL'S DEATH, THEREFORE THEY ARRIVED AT FOREST LAWS SEPARATE. :lol: SHE SAID SHE KNOWS THAT MICHALE'S KIDS OFTEN FLY TO NEW YORK WITH GRACE. SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN ATTORNEY WHO IS HAPPEN TO BE ELIZABETH TAYLOR SON. SHE BELIEVES THAT MJ GIVES US CLUES BECAUSE HE LOVES AND VALUES US. SHE BELIEVES HE MOST PROBABLY WILL BE BACK BUT NOT THAT SOON.
I PROMISE TO POST PICTURES LATER, NOT MUCH BUT SOMETHING. IF I REMEMBER ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR CONVERSATION, I WILL POST IT. Stay cool! Happy Easter to us and Dearest Michael!

 :shock:  :shock:  :shock:
Thank you for all of ths!!
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Thank you so much scorpionchik and Em for your posts and pictures. Have to admit this made me cry a bit. It's so nice to hear of all the love gathering there for Michael. And to be able to see it with my own eyes is touching. I would love nothing more than to be there one day-and someday I will be. I haven't been so sure of where I stand on this whole hoax thing recently but this definitely gave me a nudge in the right direction. The lack of name on the tomb and no family visitations is good news..I think. He better be alive, or this is just completely devastating. Breaks my heart to think that he may actually be there, alone & forgotten by his own family. So for now, I am going to choose to believe he is out there, living, laughing, breathing  :) . Let's see how tomorrow goes. Keeping the faith..because the power's in believing and it's just a matter of time  ;)
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to...."Em"....question....did you notice all those garbage cans outside...like we saw at the funeral..?????
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Thank u Scarpionchik and Em very- very much, i wish i were there too, thank u for the photos and the info too, the lack of name and death date and no family visitations made my day and confirmed my belief in hoax,thank u again,it was very touching.
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to...."Em"....question....did you notice all those garbage cans outside...like we saw at the funeral..?????

No, the only garbage cans we saw were the regular cemetery trash cans which they neatly try to hide. They sit in a replica of a hollowed out tree stump. They are all over the grounds this way.

Well, today's Monday. It's raining pretty hard here in LA now.
What time is Murray due in court?

Em
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Quote from: "MashMike"
Thank u Scarpionchik and Em very- very much, i wish i were there too, thank u for the photos and the info too, the lack of name and death date and no family visitations made my day and confirmed my belief in hoax,thank u again,it was very touching.

I did not see any family members here, but one of the people in the fan club said they delivered a lot of mail and birthday cards to the Encino house since it was Paris's birthday. He said the family was having a party there for her.

But-I never did hear or see any picture of any family member go to Holly Terrace ever.
Just Murray, but he went to the Great Mausoleum. Wrong place AND it was closed when he was there.
Why did he do that? For the money?? A fan club member said the reason Murray was at the GM was because fans were at Holly Terrace. The fan said Murray was offered a lot of money if he got his pic taken at Holly Terrace!

Em
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 :lol: No way! The chin is too small. and other thing don't match also.
but thank you.
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so the fact that there were NO trash cans there.....like there was at the funeral....WHAT DOES THAT TELL US.....????    ............that the funeral,although it happenend there...was....a.falsehood....????..what do you all think..????
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Quote from: "Venus"
:lol: No way! The chin is too small. and other thing don't match also.
but thank you.


You're welcome - it was just a thought...

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Hello Em,

you ask when Murray is at the court ? At 1:30 PM.

I wonder why it is not the same court like in February.
In February the hearing was at the Airport Courthouse, District West.
Today it is at the Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center, Central District.
Not the same court, not the same judge...weird for me !

You write it's raining in LA ? I will see the "live" stream at TMZ.....if the streets are wet. I don't know if the times and days are rearly or it's all a movie....the weather is interesting ! Please can you tell us if it is still raining at 1:30 PM ?

Another part of the Conrad Murray documentary ?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/
But why Additional Details, Country : UK ? United Kingdom ?
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Hello Em,

you ask when Murray is at the court ? At 1:30 PM.

I wonder why it is not the same court like in February.
In February the hearing was at the Airport Courthouse, District West.
Today it is at the Clara Shortridge Foltz Criminal Justice Center, Central District.
Not the same court, not the same judge...weird for me !

You write it's raining in LA ? I will see the "live" stream at TMZ.....if the streets are wet. I don't know if the times and days are rearly or it's all a movie....the weather is interesting ! Please can you tell us if it is still raining at 1:30 PM ?

Another part of the Conrad Murray documentary ?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1572197/
But why Additional Details, Country : UK ? United Kingdom ?


Right now it's exactly 1:30. The weather has cleared up. It is now sunny but a little bit windy where I am. The streets are pretty much dry now.
It was raining pretty hard in the early morning hours.
Em
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A TEN MINUTE HEARING!!!!
What's up with that???
I just turned on the TV and the local news said they were going to check in with the hearing, and when they did, it was over. What happened??
Em
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SCORPIONCHIC, thank you sooooo much for your report. You're lucky that you're able to enter/check out the place+people. Thank you for sharing your experience & update.

EM. thanks also for the pics & your thoughts

 ;)  ;)  ;) You guys are wonderful & awesome!!! 8-)  8-)  8-)
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so the fact that there were NO trash cans there.....like there was at the funeral....WHAT DOES THAT TELL US.....????    ............that the funeral,although it happenend there...was....a.falsehood....????..what do you all think..????

I tell you "follow the orange trash cans"  :lol: this trash can stuff always drives me MAD. How can a famous cimetery, burrying the most famous man on Earth have trash can on the same place the casket is standing  :roll:  Everything has been prepared for HOURS, camera, flowers, chairs, security lines to keep media away, and the forget the get the trash out of the way ?

But Michael, please, we are not paparazzi, don't make us search for garbages  :lol: I'm a nice person, I just had a shower and I washed my air ! I don't know, you could have choosen butterflies, umbrellas, garbage is not glamour
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Scorpionchik and Em,
Thank you both for your posts and description of your visits to Forrest Lawn.  I find this all very interesting and fascinating.  Thanks again for reporting about visit to "Ground Zero".  Cheers.  :)
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so the fact that there were NO trash cans there.....like there was at the funeral....WHAT DOES THAT TELL US.....????    ............that the funeral,although it happenend there...was....a.falsehood....????..what do you all think..????


There are NO trash cans along the road we saw on the funeral. That means  Machael gave us hint to understand the funeral and media = trash.   :)
Only single one small white traush can I saw is next to the Holly Terrace entrance.
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Yes, I was there as I promised.
I have a problem sending photos to my email in order to attach them that's why I did not want to open topic.
However, I will post pictures later.
I was there at 10.30 to 1.30. During the the time I was there I did not see family members or media, or anyone whom we know.
  At the beginning when I got there was quiet. No security outside of the Holly Terrace door. Those families who have their relatives buried there have their key to open the door and enter, or if they forgot the key, they push the bell, security asks who is it, they say whos family they belong and they automatically open  locked door for them.
If you are just a public visitor, you cannot enter.
So, I was sitting in  my car and wating. later VAN arrived to Holly Terrace and woman was carrying flowers and FEDex package. She got in and when she got out, I approached to her and asked to whom she was taking flowers to and who is she. She said flowers were for Michael and she is an employee at forest lawn delivering ordered flowers to  deceased. I asked how often she delivers flowers for Michael, she said very often. Since she was barely speaking and understanding english, I did not ask her much questions. Then another car arrived and woman got out. I approached her and were talking for 2,5 hours. Before I write our conversation, I want to mention that group of french women arrived with shick bouque of a few flowers, toys, and memory cards from french fans. They were friends of the woman I was talking to. Then a few other native fans also arrived with flowers, stand there, cry, talk, get puctures. Security definitely watching outside because in a few min. door was oppened to take flowers in. I asked to let french guests in and of course try to get in myself, but he said NO.  
The french woman I was talking to, was a doctor, late but big fan of Michael, after he "died" she was reading and investigating for herself Michael's "death". She BELIEVS IN HOAX. She was pretty much aware of everything we are disgussing. SHE SAID FRANCE GET INFO ABOUT MICHAEL FROM TMZ AND SHE THINKS TMZ IS WITH JACKSON FAMILY. SHE SAID SHE IS COMING TO FOREST LAWN EVERY DAY FOR MINIMUM AN HOUR AND ONE DAY SHE WAS LUCKY TO GET IN HOLLY TERRACE ALONG WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ENTERED FOR THEIR RELATIVE. SHE SAW MICHAEL'S GRAVE AND THERE IS NO NAME OR DATE ON IT. THEN, SHE SAID SHE ASKED SECURITY WHO IS SITTING ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE GREAT MAUSOLEUM , HOW OFTEN MICHAEL'S PARENTS, CHILDREN, FAMILY VISITING CEMETERY SINCE BURIAL, SECURITY TOLD HER NONE, SHE WISHES AT LEAST ONCE TO SEE THEM THERE.
(REMEMBER BROTHERS WENT TO CEMETERY IN JACKSON FAMILY DYNASTY? SO THEY WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT FOREST LAWN FOR SURE).
SHE ASO SAID, AS A DOCTOR, SHE HAS READ AUTOPCY REPORT AND THERE ARE MANY MEDICALLY IMPOSSIBLE THINGS WRITTEN DOWN. SHE SAID, AT THE FOREST LAWN, SHE WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE AND HOW COULD FUNERAL WE SAW ON TV BE POSSIBLY THE SAME PLACE AS SHE SEES. THERE IS NO WAY FUNERAL WAS LIVE TRANSLATION  AT THE FOREST LAWN. BECAUCE ARCHS ON TV APPEARED TO BE STRIGHT ALONG WITH  CASKET AND SITTING PLACES, BUT THE REAL ROAD AT FOREST LAWN HAS WIND AND UPRISE, SO IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE THE FLAT STRAIGHT ROAD ON FUNERAL  WE WERE WATCHING .
THEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT PAINT "MAD HATTER" BY CELINE LAVAIL THAT WAS ORDERED BY MICHAEL, DRAWN THE DATE OF THE "DEATH", AND SIGNED MY MICHAEL. ( I WANT TO MENTION THAT SHE WAS HARDLY SPEAKING ENGLISH, SO I MIGHT MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING OR SHE COULD NOT EXPRESS HER SPEECH CORRECTLY).
SHE WILL BE GOING TOMORROW TO THE COURT, SHE IS PLANNING TO VISIT NEVERLAND, SHE WAS AT STAPLES. SHE ASKED IF  AMERICA BELIEVES IN HOAX AND WHY NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. I EXPLAINED THAT AMERICA CANNOT SPEAK OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE JACKSON FAMILY ACCEPTED MICHAEL DIED, THEY  ORGANIZED MEMORIAL, SHOWED FUNERAL, SIGNED DEATH CERTIFICATE, AND JARMAINE ANNOUNCED HIS DEATH. SHE SAID -VERY STRANGE. I AGREED, BUT WE CANNOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT FAMILY ACCEPTS, THAT WOULD BE DISRESPECT AND LED TO LAWSUIT. EVEN THOUGH MAY BE MAJORITY BELIEVE IN HOAX BUT THEY WILL NOT TALK , EXCEPT SOME WEB SITES LIKE THIS ONE AND OVERSEAS. I GAVE HER THIS WEBSITE TO JOIN US, I HAVE HER EMAIL FOR FUTURE COMMUNICATION.
THE FUNNY PART WAS WHEN SHE SAID HER GIRLFIRENDS NOT TALKING TO HER BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN MICHAEL'S DEATH, THEREFORE THEY ARRIVED AT FOREST LAWS SEPARATE. :lol: SHE SAID SHE KNOWS THAT MICHALE'S KIDS OFTEN FLY TO NEW YORK WITH GRACE. SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN ATTORNEY WHO IS HAPPEN TO BE ELIZABETH TAYLOR SON. SHE BELIEVES THAT MJ GIVES US CLUES BECAUSE HE LOVES AND VALUES US. SHE BELIEVES HE MOST PROBABLY WILL BE BACK BUT NOT THAT SOON.
I PROMISE TO POST PICTURES LATER, NOT MUCH BUT SOMETHING. IF I REMEMBER ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR CONVERSATION, I WILL POST IT. Stay cool! Happy Easter to us and Dearest Michael!



Try and put me in touch with that french woman by mail or let me know and I can ask her questions and translate then please !!!!!!!
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Oh please lol :D
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Yes, I was there as I promised.
I have a problem sending photos to my email in order to attach them that's why I did not want to open topic.
However, I will post pictures later.
I was there at 10.30 to 1.30. During the the time I was there I did not see family members or media, or anyone whom we know.
  At the beginning when I got there was quiet. No security outside of the Holly Terrace door. Those families who have their relatives buried there have their key to open the door and enter, or if they forgot the key, they push the bell, security asks who is it, they say whos family they belong and they automatically open  locked door for them.
If you are just a public visitor, you cannot enter.
So, I was sitting in  my car and wating. later VAN arrived to Holly Terrace and woman was carrying flowers and FEDex package. She got in and when she got out, I approached to her and asked to whom she was taking flowers to and who is she. She said flowers were for Michael and she is an employee at forest lawn delivering ordered flowers to  deceased. I asked how often she delivers flowers for Michael, she said very often. Since she was barely speaking and understanding english, I did not ask her much questions. Then another car arrived and woman got out. I approached her and were talking for 2,5 hours. Before I write our conversation, I want to mention that group of french women arrived with shick bouque of a few flowers, toys, and memory cards from french fans. They were friends of the woman I was talking to. Then a few other native fans also arrived with flowers, stand there, cry, talk, get puctures. Security definitely watching outside because in a few min. door was oppened to take flowers in. I asked to let french guests in and of course try to get in myself, but he said NO.  
The french woman I was talking to, was a doctor, late but big fan of Michael, after he "died" she was reading and investigating for herself Michael's "death". She BELIEVS IN HOAX. She was pretty much aware of everything we are disgussing. SHE SAID FRANCE GET INFO ABOUT MICHAEL FROM TMZ AND SHE THINKS TMZ IS WITH JACKSON FAMILY. SHE SAID SHE IS COMING TO FOREST LAWN EVERY DAY FOR MINIMUM AN HOUR AND ONE DAY SHE WAS LUCKY TO GET IN HOLLY TERRACE ALONG WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ENTERED FOR THEIR RELATIVE. SHE SAW MICHAEL'S GRAVE AND THERE IS NO NAME OR DATE ON IT. THEN, SHE SAID SHE ASKED SECURITY WHO IS SITTING ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE GREAT MAUSOLEUM , HOW OFTEN MICHAEL'S PARENTS, CHILDREN, FAMILY VISITING CEMETERY SINCE BURIAL, SECURITY TOLD HER NONE, SHE WISHES AT LEAST ONCE TO SEE THEM THERE.
(REMEMBER BROTHERS WENT TO CEMETERY IN JACKSON FAMILY DYNASTY? SO THEY WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT FOREST LAWN FOR SURE).
SHE ASO SAID, AS A DOCTOR, SHE HAS READ AUTOPCY REPORT AND THERE ARE MANY MEDICALLY IMPOSSIBLE THINGS WRITTEN DOWN. SHE SAID, AT THE FOREST LAWN, SHE WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE AND HOW COULD FUNERAL WE SAW ON TV BE POSSIBLY THE SAME PLACE AS SHE SEES. THERE IS NO WAY FUNERAL WAS LIVE TRANSLATION  AT THE FOREST LAWN. BECAUCE ARCHS ON TV APPEARED TO BE STRIGHT ALONG WITH  CASKET AND SITTING PLACES, BUT THE REAL ROAD AT FOREST LAWN HAS WIND AND UPRISE, SO IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE THE FLAT STRAIGHT ROAD ON FUNERAL  WE WERE WATCHING .
THEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT PAINT "MAD HATTER" BY CELINE LAVAIL THAT WAS ORDERED BY MICHAEL, DRAWN THE DATE OF THE "DEATH", AND SIGNED MY MICHAEL. ( I WANT TO MENTION THAT SHE WAS HARDLY SPEAKING ENGLISH, SO I MIGHT MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING OR SHE COULD NOT EXPRESS HER SPEECH CORRECTLY).
SHE WILL BE GOING TOMORROW TO THE COURT, SHE IS PLANNING TO VISIT NEVERLAND, SHE WAS AT STAPLES. SHE ASKED IF  AMERICA BELIEVES IN HOAX AND WHY NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. I EXPLAINED THAT AMERICA CANNOT SPEAK OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE JACKSON FAMILY ACCEPTED MICHAEL DIED, THEY  ORGANIZED MEMORIAL, SHOWED FUNERAL, SIGNED DEATH CERTIFICATE, AND JARMAINE ANNOUNCED HIS DEATH. SHE SAID -VERY STRANGE. I AGREED, BUT WE CANNOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT FAMILY ACCEPTS, THAT WOULD BE DISRESPECT AND LED TO LAWSUIT. EVEN THOUGH MAY BE MAJORITY BELIEVE IN HOAX BUT THEY WILL NOT TALK , EXCEPT SOME WEB SITES LIKE THIS ONE AND OVERSEAS. I GAVE HER THIS WEBSITE TO JOIN US, I HAVE HER EMAIL FOR FUTURE COMMUNICATION.
THE FUNNY PART WAS WHEN SHE SAID HER GIRLFIRENDS NOT TALKING TO HER BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN MICHAEL'S DEATH, THEREFORE THEY ARRIVED AT FOREST LAWS SEPARATE. :lol: SHE SAID SHE KNOWS THAT MICHALE'S KIDS OFTEN FLY TO NEW YORK WITH GRACE. SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN ATTORNEY WHO IS HAPPEN TO BE ELIZABETH TAYLOR SON. SHE BELIEVES THAT MJ GIVES US CLUES BECAUSE HE LOVES AND VALUES US. SHE BELIEVES HE MOST PROBABLY WILL BE BACK BUT NOT THAT SOON.
I PROMISE TO POST PICTURES LATER, NOT MUCH BUT SOMETHING. IF I REMEMBER ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR CONVERSATION, I WILL POST IT. Stay cool! Happy Easter to us and Dearest Michael!

Are you sure this french women wasn't yanking your chain?  Please think on that and why it would be totally illogical to release an autopsy that has medically impossible things in it
that any medical person can read.  Does she live here or in France.  How would she know the children go to New York all the time?  I could pose many questions here, but will leave it at that.
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I tell you "follow the orange trash cans"  :lol: this trash can stuff always drives me MAD. How can a famous cimetery, burrying the most famous man on Earth have trash can on the same place the casket is standing  :roll:  Everything has been prepared for HOURS, camera, flowers, chairs, security lines to keep media away, and the forget the get the trash out of the way ?

Yes, I think the same.
It's ridiculous, they made tremendous preparation and then forgot garbage cans: Absurd!
:lol:
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Relax Java. I have already checked her out. I confirmed that she is really doctor, she was not alone at the Forest lawn but with her friends to whom Em (member of our site) saw as well and his wife talked with them(if you read whole forum, I was not the only one there that day), and finally we are still in touch via email, she is already back to France. I will ask her how she knows that children often fly to New York.  :)
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Quote from: "scorpionchik"
Yes, I was there as I promised.
I have a problem sending photos to my email in order to attach them that's why I did not want to open topic.
However, I will post pictures later.
I was there at 10.30 to 1.30. During the the time I was there I did not see family members or media, or anyone whom we know.
  At the beginning when I got there was quiet. No security outside of the Holly Terrace door. Those families who have their relatives buried there have their key to open the door and enter, or if they forgot the key, they push the bell, security asks who is it, they say whos family they belong and they automatically open  locked door for them.
If you are just a public visitor, you cannot enter.
So, I was sitting in  my car and wating. later VAN arrived to Holly Terrace and woman was carrying flowers and FEDex package. She got in and when she got out, I approached to her and asked to whom she was taking flowers to and who is she. She said flowers were for Michael and she is an employee at forest lawn delivering ordered flowers to  deceased. I asked how often she delivers flowers for Michael, she said very often. Since she was barely speaking and understanding english, I did not ask her much questions. Then another car arrived and woman got out. I approached her and were talking for 2,5 hours. Before I write our conversation, I want to mention that group of french women arrived with shick bouque of a few flowers, toys, and memory cards from french fans. They were friends of the woman I was talking to. Then a few other native fans also arrived with flowers, stand there, cry, talk, get puctures. Security definitely watching outside because in a few min. door was oppened to take flowers in. I asked to let french guests in and of course try to get in myself, but he said NO.  
The french woman I was talking to, was a doctor, late but big fan of Michael, after he "died" she was reading and investigating for herself Michael's "death". She BELIEVS IN HOAX. She was pretty much aware of everything we are disgussing. SHE SAID FRANCE GET INFO ABOUT MICHAEL FROM TMZ AND SHE THINKS TMZ IS WITH JACKSON FAMILY. SHE SAID SHE IS COMING TO FOREST LAWN EVERY DAY FOR MINIMUM AN HOUR AND ONE DAY SHE WAS LUCKY TO GET IN HOLLY TERRACE ALONG WITH SOME PEOPLE WHO ENTERED FOR THEIR RELATIVE. SHE SAW MICHAEL'S GRAVE AND THERE IS NO NAME OR DATE ON IT. THEN, SHE SAID SHE ASKED SECURITY WHO IS SITTING ON THE FRONT DOOR OF THE GREAT MAUSOLEUM , HOW OFTEN MICHAEL'S PARENTS, CHILDREN, FAMILY VISITING CEMETERY SINCE BURIAL, SECURITY TOLD HER NONE, SHE WISHES AT LEAST ONCE TO SEE THEM THERE.
(REMEMBER BROTHERS WENT TO CEMETERY IN JACKSON FAMILY DYNASTY? SO THEY WERE NOT IN THE RIGHT FOREST LAWN FOR SURE).
SHE ASO SAID, AS A DOCTOR, SHE HAS READ AUTOPCY REPORT AND THERE ARE MANY MEDICALLY IMPOSSIBLE THINGS WRITTEN DOWN. SHE SAID, AT THE FOREST LAWN, SHE WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHERE AND HOW COULD FUNERAL WE SAW ON TV BE POSSIBLY THE SAME PLACE AS SHE SEES. THERE IS NO WAY FUNERAL WAS LIVE TRANSLATION  AT THE FOREST LAWN. BECAUCE ARCHS ON TV APPEARED TO BE STRIGHT ALONG WITH  CASKET AND SITTING PLACES, BUT THE REAL ROAD AT FOREST LAWN HAS WIND AND UPRISE, SO IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE THE FLAT STRAIGHT ROAD ON FUNERAL  WE WERE WATCHING .
THEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT PAINT "MAD HATTER" BY CELINE LAVAIL THAT WAS ORDERED BY MICHAEL, DRAWN THE DATE OF THE "DEATH", AND SIGNED MY MICHAEL. ( I WANT TO MENTION THAT SHE WAS HARDLY SPEAKING ENGLISH, SO I MIGHT MISUNDERSTOOD SOMETHING OR SHE COULD NOT EXPRESS HER SPEECH CORRECTLY).
SHE WILL BE GOING TOMORROW TO THE COURT, SHE IS PLANNING TO VISIT NEVERLAND, SHE WAS AT STAPLES. SHE ASKED IF  AMERICA BELIEVES IN HOAX AND WHY NOBODY TALKS ABOUT IT. I EXPLAINED THAT AMERICA CANNOT SPEAK OUT ABOUT IT BECAUSE JACKSON FAMILY ACCEPTED MICHAEL DIED, THEY  ORGANIZED MEMORIAL, SHOWED FUNERAL, SIGNED DEATH CERTIFICATE, AND JARMAINE ANNOUNCED HIS DEATH. SHE SAID -VERY STRANGE. I AGREED, BUT WE CANNOT SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT FAMILY ACCEPTS, THAT WOULD BE DISRESPECT AND LED TO LAWSUIT. EVEN THOUGH MAY BE MAJORITY BELIEVE IN HOAX BUT THEY WILL NOT TALK , EXCEPT SOME WEB SITES LIKE THIS ONE AND OVERSEAS. I GAVE HER THIS WEBSITE TO JOIN US, I HAVE HER EMAIL FOR FUTURE COMMUNICATION.
THE FUNNY PART WAS WHEN SHE SAID HER GIRLFIRENDS NOT TALKING TO HER BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IN MICHAEL'S DEATH, THEREFORE THEY ARRIVED AT FOREST LAWS SEPARATE. :lol: SHE SAID SHE KNOWS THAT MICHALE'S KIDS OFTEN FLY TO NEW YORK WITH GRACE. SHE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT AN ATTORNEY WHO IS HAPPEN TO BE ELIZABETH TAYLOR SON. SHE BELIEVES THAT MJ GIVES US CLUES BECAUSE HE LOVES AND VALUES US. SHE BELIEVES HE MOST PROBABLY WILL BE BACK BUT NOT THAT SOON.
I PROMISE TO POST PICTURES LATER, NOT MUCH BUT SOMETHING. IF I REMEMBER ANYTHING ELSE FROM OUR CONVERSATION, I WILL POST IT. Stay cool! Happy Easter to us and Dearest Michael!


Great post. Thank you so much. :)
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Quote from: "scorpionchik"
Relax Java. I have already checked her out. I confirmed that she is really doctor, she was not alone at the Forest lawn but with her friends to whom Em (member of our site) saw as well and his wife talked with them(if you read whole forum, I was not the only one there that day), and finally we are still in touch via email, she is already back to France. I will ask her how she knows that children often fly to New York.  :)

Okay dear.  Thank you for the reply.
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Thanks everyone. This is great information. It will be interesting to hear how the doctor knows the kids fly to New York often. Hmm...those trash cans seem really odd, don't they. I don't think it's an accident.
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