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sounds like bad news to meand bad news for the hoax
my[KING]"]well he surely couldnt be seen still guarding the family after this came out otherwise then everyone would suspect a hoax.
Quote from: "i[MISSmy[KING]"]well he surely couldnt be seen still guarding the family after this came out otherwise then everyone would suspect a hoax.I agree.. and if its true that he hid drugs on Dr Murrays request then Alvarez should be arrested for being an accomplise and also for obstructing the course of justice.
Hmm this is making me nervous. And I didn't know Alvarez was hired by Tohme Tohme... Alberto Alvarez, 32, Michael Jackson’s bodyguard, was the one who called 911 when Jackson collapsed. Alvarez had worked for Jackson for the past 18 months. Alvarez is a second generation Mexican who lives in Pomona, Calif. Alvarez is married and his parents live together with him. Alvarez was hired by Dr Tohme Tohme, Jackson’s business manager.Alberto Alvarez was said to be loyal and kept the secret of working for Jackson well. None of his neighbors knew Alvarez was working for the superstar.http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-b ... rez-photo/
Yeah I don't know where TMZ got their information on this one! Honetly you are right Just listen to how it sounds guys! Yeah Alberto (who has known and worked with MJ for years) walks in sees the tragedy in the bedroom and does exactly what Murray has told him to do. Hey! Alberto help me hide the drugs first , I can't let anyone see these drugs! And then we'll call 911 ok? I think he's already dead anyway, or he's about to die!" O h yeah :roll: I want to say bullshit. Because why in the hell would Alberto do this? And then wait two whole months before coming out and telling LAPD? Why? Was he threatened in some way?I will say this, that I have always felt that Miko Brando , and Alberto Alvarez are two of MJ"s most trusted and loyal bodyguards. No, I don't know them personally but that is just what I feel.Also note that it says the Jackson family isn't talking?Remember guys things will come out this week they are already starting because the Murray court date is April 5th!
Quote from: "mjthelegendlives"Hmm this is making me nervous. And I didn't know Alvarez was hired by Tohme Tohme... Alberto Alvarez, 32, Michael Jackson’s bodyguard, was the one who called 911 when Jackson collapsed. Alvarez had worked for Jackson for the past 18 months. Alvarez is a second generation Mexican who lives in Pomona, Calif. Alvarez is married and his parents live together with him. Alvarez was hired by Dr Tohme Tohme, Jackson’s business manager.Alberto Alvarez was said to be loyal and kept the secret of working for Jackson well. None of his neighbors knew Alvarez was working for the superstar.http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-b ... rez-photo/WOAH.. i didnt know there was a Thome connection either.. hmmm.. getting more interesting!!!
One more thing I think is fishy. the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.
Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"One more thing I think is fishy. the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.maybe he is going to get chargedor he is off with mike
Quote from: "the arabian nights"Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"One more thing I think is fishy. the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.maybe he is going to get chargedor he is off with mikeyes that thought crossed my mind too.. the family would have known this before Friday, surely???
I read somewhere (sorry don't know the source anymore) that Murray himself confessed he had hidden the bottles in the closet, two days after MJ's 'death'.So if that's true why would Alvarez come out now? :?
Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez?? Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:
Bizarre as always. It is said that Alvarez told this story 2 months after Michael's "death". I was wonderin about the conditions of this revelation. To whom did Alavrez said that at first ? "A source close to Dr. Murray told TMZ Alvarez made the statement two months after Jackson's death ... in the office of his lawyer, Carl Douglas ... when Alvarez was questioned again by cops. Douglas, by the way, is also a lawyer for the Jackson family."Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0jbK3AVvISo the family was supposed to know this information way before today as they have the same laywer and should had normally fired him way before too. So there is no need to worry just wait and see...
Quote from: "Melzy777"Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez?? Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:I wondered this too the other day, but don't recall getting a response. Because if they are related well then wow!
Quote from: "Sarahli"Bizarre as always. It is said that Alvarez told this story 2 months after Michael's "death". I was wonderin about the conditions of this revelation. To whom did Alavrez said that at first ? "A source close to Dr. Murray told TMZ Alvarez made the statement two months after Jackson's death ... in the office of his lawyer, Carl Douglas ... when Alvarez was questioned again by cops. Douglas, by the way, is also a lawyer for the Jackson family."Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0jbK3AVvISo the family was supposed to know this information way before today as they have the same laywer and should had normally fired him way before too. So there is no need to worry just wait and see...a source close to murray??? why would they tell ?? doesnt this get him in more trouble?? hmm maybe the source close to murray is mj :D
Hmm this is making me nervous. And I didn't know Alvarez was hired by Tohme Tohme... Alberto Alvarez, 32, Michael Jackson’s bodyguard, was the one who called 911 when Jackson collapsed. Alvarez had worked for Jackson for the past 18 months. Alvarez is a second generation Mexican who lives in Pomona, Calif. Alvarez is married and his parents live together with him. Alvarez was hired by Dr Tohme Tohme, Jackson’s business manager.Alberto Alvarez was said to be loyal and kept the secret of working for Jackson well. None of his neighbors knew Alvarez was working for the superstar.http://celebgalz.com/michael-jacksons-b ... o-alvarez-photo/
Quote from: "MDM77"Quote from: "Melzy777"Is Dr Murrays Girlfriend Nicole Alvarez related to Alberto Alvarez?? Or just another example of using the same names.. :?: :?:I wondered this too the other day, but don't recall getting a response. Because if they are related well then wow!if im not mistaken i believe that in one of jonell star vids she said that alberto was nicoles son. will try to find the vid.
the thing is that alberto had wanted to tell his story earlier but the LAPD wouldn't make time for him. Lawyers even went to the media to say that their client wanted to pass information about that day along and they set up a meeting and the LAPD cancelled. That's why he went for 2 months without a statement.Also his involvement with Murray could have been Murray saying "let's just move all this drug stuff out of the way so the media doesn't have a hay day with it" I do think it's all weird and likely smoke and mirrors again but it doesn't mean Alberto did anything really really bad. He may have thought Michael would be happy that the drugs were removed from the room before the paramedics arrived. I think MJ embedded that stuff into them especially recalling the time that MJ's own family didn't call 911 when he almost overdosed before. One of the main reasons I started believing the hoax was because the LAPD didn't seem to want to interview THE ONLY MAN KNOWN TO BE IN THE ROOM WITH MICHAEL JACKSON OTHER THAN DR MURRAY AT THE TIME OF HIS "DEATH" AND THE ONE TO CALL 911. What cop in a real investigation wouldn't interview in depth the only known witness other than Murray for 2 months. Something is more than strange just because of that fact alone.
Quote from: "the arabian nights"Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"One more thing I think is fishy. the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.maybe he is going to get chargedor he is off with mike[/b]yeah i agree. think about it...all this time he's been watching over michael's kids, protecting them and what not. remember, alvarez went MISSING for days after michael "died." not even his wife knew where he was. umm, what? that's beyond weird. if you're husband went missing for days and you didn't know where he was, wouldn't you file a missing persons report? was that done? no, not that i am aware of.therefore, here's my opinion:alvarez went missing with michael to get him situated into hiding (whether that be at the encino compound, neverland, somewhere else in the US or another country)he then came back with strict rules to watch over the kids michael checked in periodically (physically- i.e. Halloween at Universal) to make sure everything was going alright-you know he's a protective dadNow that it's spring time (Kenny's tweet of the "ice melting..he's back") things are starting to move much quicker...we're getting more news every day-every HOURhow convenient that the week of easter (resurrection) and the week of murrays court date (the whole thing will never go through) that alverez is fired...i think he's back to protecting michael, getting ready for a return.this is how i'm justifying this news. call me crazy
Quote from: "mjfansince4"Quote from: "the arabian nights"Quote from: "THE JACKSONOLOGIST"One more thing I think is fishy. the Jackson firing Alverez after this news came out is strange because wouldnt they have known this information BEFORE it was published in the media? Therefore, they should have fired him a long time ago....Are they just finding out this info now just like we are? I think not.maybe he is going to get chargedor he is off with mike[/b]yeah i agree. think about it...all this time he's been watching over michael's kids, protecting them and what not. remember, alvarez went MISSING for days after michael "died." not even his wife knew where he was. umm, what? that's beyond weird. if you're husband went missing for days and you didn't know where he was, wouldn't you file a missing persons report? was that done? no, not that i am aware of.therefore, here's my opinion:alvarez went missing with michael to get him situated into hiding (whether that be at the encino compound, neverland, somewhere else in the US or another country)he then came back with strict rules to watch over the kids michael checked in periodically (physically- i.e. Halloween at Universal) to make sure everything was going alright-you know he's a protective dadNow that it's spring time (Kenny's tweet of the "ice melting..he's back") things are starting to move much quicker...we're getting more news every day-every HOURhow convenient that the week of easter (resurrection) and the week of murrays court date (the whole thing will never go through) that alverez is fired...i think he's back to protecting michael, getting ready for a return.this is how i'm justifying this news. call me crazymjfansince4, I think you are very close to the truth....I think a lot of what Murray did, the "confessions", etc. were smokescreens to get investigators off the trail of what really went on. The fabricated evidence would make it appear Mike had a "propofol addiction". I am guessing also that Alvarez and others, maybe Miko, even Liz were helping Mike relocate.
It does not add up as somebody here said why would you have the nerve to ask a trusted body guard to hide drugs if you are a new member of staff how would you know you could trust them if you only been there 10 days. And think you would get away with. I don't tho k so.
This might be some chess game. Michael probably needs Alvarez and to find some reason why he suddenly quit job at Jackson family, they... 1. 8 months later report crap by Alvarez, then 2.he got fired.......Becuase it does not make sense at all. ALVAREZ NOT AN IDIOT, HE WOULD HAVE EXCPECTED GET FIRED IF HE SUDDENLY "TELL THE TRUTH" or MAY BE EVEN KILLED or INJURED..... Did he want to get fired or be killed? Come on people, Who speaks the truth and contunues working at that family until gets fired?????? Lol, Lol, Lol :?: :?: :roll: :roll: :shock:
My thoughts now on this:This firing of Alvarez has nothing to do with the Murray incident, but is connected to the Stun Gun incident... maybe Alvarez told the truth to the Childrens services and the Jacksons didnt like it??Maybe ALvaraz was being loyal to Michael and protecting the children and now someone (Jermaine?) has got him out????Why is Jafaar being paraded on TV by his father????? Thats never right in a million years!!!
Ive not heard anything about Grace... maybe that will be revealed in this TV show tonight with Jafaar and Jermaine?Hopefully our friends in the USA will keep us updated. Im in the UK so cannot watch... 8-)
Hey guys I just came across this. It's an article about how Alvarez was fired for his criminal past.Here's the linkhttp://http://www.popeater.com/2010/03/30/alberto-alvarez-fired-michael-jackson-bodyguard/
Quote from: "mjboogie"Yeah I don't know where TMZ got their information on this one! Honetly you are right Just listen to how it sounds guys! Yeah Alberto (who has known and worked with MJ for years) walks in sees the tragedy in the bedroom and does exactly what Murray has told him to do. Hey! Alberto help me hide the drugs first , I can't let anyone see these drugs! And then we'll call 911 ok? I think he's already dead anyway, or he's about to die!" O h yeah :roll: I want to say bullshit. Because why in the hell would Alberto do this? And then wait two whole months before coming out and telling LAPD? Why? Was he threatened in some way?I will say this, that I have always felt that Miko Brando , and Alberto Alvarez are two of MJ"s most trusted and loyal bodyguards. No, I don't know them personally but that is just what I feel.Also note that it says the Jackson family isn't talking?Remember guys things will come out this week they are already starting because the Murray court date is April 5th!Totally!!! I agree with this a million times over. He basically helped his best friends doctor cover up a big fat mistake, and that mistake killed MJ...........would any of YOU guys do this to a friend? HELL FRIGGIN NO. I would be at the police station so damn fast...Oh...excuse me Jacksonologist, can you help me cover up a boo boo and put those drugs in a bag for me? I dont want the police finding out I fucked up. And by the way, I think I killed your best friend." NOT!And why would Murray evena ask Alverez of all people to do this KNOWING he was close to MJ? WTFhell?
I really get the feeling that bits of ridiculous, horribly untrue, and inconsistent pieces of information are being fed to the media, who in turn, are feeding it to the public, who are soaking it up like a sponge. Sort of like what happened to MJ throughout much of his life. I almost feel that he is behind the stuff coming out, sitting back going, "Do you think they will really believe this one? Will they run with that one? Oh no, way too ridiculous....oh WTH, let's give it a whirl." Hee hee hee! :lol: On the other hand, I jst dunno. :?
[...]Alberto Alvarez was let go Friday after they discovered he had a criminal record.[...] "He not only had a DUI, there was a domestic violence dispute on his record. Someone had filed a domestic complaint against Alvarez, and he also had a DUI arrest."
Security tapes were said to be missingSecurity breach (leakages of information at coroner, LAPD, UCLA whoever)MJ giraffes found deadSecurity incident reported at Encino (theft attempt, stun gun and related)Security was said to be reduced at FLSecurity was said to be reinforced at FLSecurity measures were said to be taken around the graveSecurity staff was said to have been fired (not the first time btw)Whoever is inventing these twists: I would suggest we get some story - on the kids on a diving course losing a rope or some karate incident or - some paparazzi caught by security staff on Encino ground or - some driving high speed without seat-belts (and caught by state police) or - some knife incident when eating mussels at Fisherman's wharfHarvey, get some inspiration .... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Well now this is more rare, I do not think Michael entrusted with the supervision of their children to someone with a history of family violence, "Michael did not investigate Alberto ?,... Murray also has previous convictions for violence ,.... very rare. 8-)
Ok well if I think quick there are at least 3 shaddy people who were part of Michael's staff and daily life, the 3 being CM, Alvarez and famous Dr. Tohme. Also Michael was apparently paranoid of people constantly watching him in mirrors in several public places like motel room mirrors, elevators.. And let's not forget there are tapes that were leaked of Michael's private phone conversations mentionning he feared for his life. I think I put enough here to give everyone a good idea of what was apparently going on.So if that we're all true, OF COURSE Michael would hire any old staff without doing a background checkup or hire them anyway thinking they will not do anything to harm me surely!!! NOT!! :mrgreen: Oh and yes of course he would let the good old unlicensced doc put him under with a very powerful and dangerous anesthetic to help him forget about all those people he is worried want to kill him, and finally get some sleep. NOT!!! Again! :roll: By saying this I am not claiming to know what Michael would or would not do. It is good old common sense that the average person would use and not let these things happen. IMO. :geek:
Quote from: "Jennie"Ok well if I think quick there are at least 3 shaddy people who were part of Michael's staff and daily life, the 3 being CM, Alvarez and famous Dr. Tohme. Also Michael was apparently paranoid of people constantly watching him in mirrors in several public places like motel room mirrors, elevators.. And let's not forget there are tapes that were leaked of Michael's private phone conversations mentionning he feared for his life. I think I put enough here to give everyone a good idea of what was apparently going on.So if that we're all true, OF COURSE Michael would hire any old staff without doing a background checkup or hire them anyway thinking they will not do anything to harm me surely!!! NOT!! :mrgreen: Oh and yes of course he would let the good old unlicensced doc put him under with a very powerful and dangerous anesthetic to help him forget about all those people he is worried want to kill him, and finally get some sleep. NOT!!! Again! :roll: By saying this I am not claiming to know what Michael would or would not do. It is good old common sense that the average person would use and not let these things happen. IMO. :geek:ah .... so jermaine is getting rid of his wife and her relative thome - interesting
