A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 01:16:19 PM
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Now I found this:

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This is not a platform forTHIS IS NOT IT! Just to be clear. We all want Justice for MJ but here we will NOT damage his legacy to do it.

here: http://http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=324254322849

Is this an accusation to us about damaging his legacy?

No, this is not an accusation to us, per se.  This is specifically referencing to the "This Is Not It" group which clearly feels Mike was not doing well during the concert rehearsals and months leading up to it (they think he was skinny, not eating, under chemical influences, etc.)

However, I would assume they might see the hoaxers as damaging his legacy, as well, because some of the hoaxers have decided to assume what's going on and have put a lot of words in his mouth by assuming Michael's intentions.  I would hate for this to be the case, because I can only imagine what's going on in the family's head about everyone who has an opinion about what Mike's intentions are.  And we have all heard every conceivable theory under the sun so far, such as Mike is the Archangel, or the leader of the Anti-Illuminati movement, or Mike wants to be the king of entertainment/film, etc., etc, etc.  So I could definitely see where others might think this as damaging his legacy, if none of those things are actually true.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 01:28:31 PM
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I have just understood that LACRA is Los Angeles Civil Rights Association.
But I don´t know it nor its nature.
Who is the black man speaking then?

Eddie Jones, Jr. is the president of LACRA.   I encourage you to read more about about this.  I have provided other information/links in my posts within this thread.  

He also has a Twitter account:
http://twitter.com/comactwin

With you being in another country, I know it must be difficult to not know about all of these details.  I made the assumption that everyone knew about this, because there have been threads about this for months.  Sorry for making the wrong assumption.   :oops:
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 01:52:20 PM
Sorry but this just seems like a non-believer trying to 'convert' believers to me.

Why would we want to go and meet up with other MJ fans who have labelled us as crazy idiots and protest for justice for Michael with them??  Are they struggling for numbers now or something?  :lol:

Trying to unite people who have totally different opinions is not easy AND it's a two-way street.

Remember, 'Justice 4 Michael' means 2 entirely different things for believers and non-believers.  In the same way a non-believer would not want to be associated with a believer, I do not want to be associated with non-believers.  

I've just got over a personal, scathing and very hurtful attack via Facebook from a non-believer who was a FRIEND of mine, not just an acquaintance.  Therefore, I prefer to distance myself from non-believers as much as possible from now on.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 02:02:22 PM
Thank you kingofmystery for your answers.

But there where more questions...

I agree with rowdyangel and I´m even starting to believe that Joe is taking advantage of the fans strength to get his part of the pie. What a petty! So sad!

And also want to add that I´m not going to support a group that is asking for charges of a man who still is innocent. OMG, what a huge paradox!
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 02:05:06 PM
Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 02:09:19 PM
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...

This thread explains it. They are not looking for the truth, they have already condemned a man.
We, believers, don´t believe a particular thing and handle all the possibilities, that´s what can separate us.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 02:15:33 PM
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...

I don't think there should be a division between believers and non-believers. The non-believers are creating that with their hateful posts to the believers in my opinion. Also I would like to distance from those that are sending Karen Faye and Kenny Ortega hate-mails and death threads, I will simply not stand for that. Nor will I stand for people trying to put down a man that is innocent in my eyes, those fans should be educated about the inconsistencies in this case before they judge.

And KoM, even if our theory about the NWO is not what Mike's intention is, which I find hard to believe, it opened up my eyes and changed my point of view to certain things forever, so that is never a bad thing. This is a hoax forum and I am pretty sure most of the 3000+ members want justice for Mike, but not over an innocent man's back.

If there is another plan, a better one, I guess there will be more people willing to cooperate.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 02:30:05 PM
somekindofsign, You are right, we should not condemn an innocent man should not be divisions, much less verbal violence.
If they do not agree with these theories, all right I will respect him, nor forced anyone to believe .. but do not have to insult others. :geek:

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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 03:31:53 PM
Are you talking about that kind of things ? New article from TMZ

Michael Jackson's most loyal fans are taking to the skies in order to send a message to Doc Murray -- and the plan is set to take flight the next time Murray is set to appear in court.



A group of fans have raised $1,250 to fly an airplane banner over the L.A. County Superior Courthouse between 1-2pm on April 5 ... when Dr. Murray is next scheduled to show his face.

The sign will read "We demand justice for Michael Jackson" -- and the group is so fired up about it, they've already sent out a press release with a Photoshopped image of what they think the scene will look like (see above).

The same group of fans are also raising money to buy Katherine Jackson a bouquet of 100 roses for additional support ... as well as a locket for Paris Jackson's birthday on April 3. Sorry if that ruined the surprise.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/michael-jac ... z0jmgxoVQw
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 03:47:52 PM
Michael Jackson's most loyal fans are taking to the skies in order to send a message to Doc Murray -- and the plan is set to take flight the next time Murray is set to appear in court.


most loyal fans .. most loyal fans ,.... sometimes do not understand the shit he writes TMZ :?:

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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 03:56:20 PM
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Michael Jackson's most loyal fans are taking to the skies in order to send a message to Doc Murray -- and the plan is set to take flight the next time Murray is set to appear in court.


most loyal fans .. most loyal fans ,.... sometimes do not understand the shit he writes TMZ :?:

Yes I also don't like it. It's unfair.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:09:55 PM
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Thank you kingofmystery for your answers.

But there where more questions...

I agree with rowdyangel and I´m even starting to believe that Joe is taking advantage of the fans strength to get his part of the pie. What a petty! So sad!

And also want to add that I´m not going to support a group that is asking for charges of a man who still is innocent. OMG, what a huge paradox!

Asking for justice is NOT, I repeat NOT, indicating Murray is guilty.  Justice means the right thing, due process, fair trial.   Please look beyond the hoax...  Please look at the BIG PICTURE.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:32:08 PM
Thank you so much for the many people who have communicated ideas and have been brainstorming with me so far.  I think you guys are on the right track, and are becoming a strong voice of support for the family.  I am making more calls for help with this, and I'm hoping we can begin to make some significant changes and create awareness in Michael's case.  So many people remain uniformed about all the crazy inconsistencies since June 25.   :? The one thing that keeps me on focused and motivate is remembering this is about building bridges and not walls between us to help us make positive change in the world.

L.O.V.E. and thanks to all!  Keep the ideas coming!
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:35:04 PM
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Asking for justice is NOT, I repeat NOT, indicating Murray is guilty.  Justice means the right thing, due process, fair trial.   Please look beyond the hoax...  Please look at the BIG PICTURE.

I look beyond the hoax, I always look beyond the hoax and the big PICTURE.
But they are ACTUALLY asking for a second degree murder charge... no more to look, that´s the wall.
And if I look beyond I may find Joe´s ambition.

And I can´t still see a link about Katherine involved.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:38:11 PM
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Asking for justice is NOT, I repeat NOT, indicating Murray is guilty.  Justice means the right thing, due process, fair trial.   Please look beyond the hoax...  Please look at the BIG PICTURE.

I look beyond the hoax, I always look beyond the hoax and the big PICTURE.
But they are ACTUALLY asking for a second degree murder charge... no more to look, that´s the wall.

Remember, it's the Jackson family who are asking a second degree murder charge.  You can either choose to agree or disagree with them.  But that's what THEY want.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:41:08 PM
Sorry, I was editting my previous post.
I added a question that answers to your´s.

Where can I see that Katherine is involved?
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:46:26 PM
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...

Very well said.  That's why I don't understand the "I'm only going to focus on the hoax" mentality.  
This isn't about that.  This is about supporting the Jackson family, your love and support of MJ, and wanting justice (whatever the end result ends up being).  It's NOT about if you are hoax-believer or not.  People are getting hung up on that point, and are wanting to stay divided.  That seems counter-productive to me.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:51:31 PM
Are you listening to me?  :?

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That's why I don't understand the "I'm only going to focus on the hoax" mentality.

Who´s that?
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:54:50 PM
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...

Very well said.  That's why I don't understand the "I'm only going to focus on the hoax" mentality.  
This isn't about that.  This is about supporting the Jackson family, your love and support of MJ, and wanting justice (whatever the end result ends up being).  It's NOT about if you are hoax-believer or not.  People are getting hung up on that point, and are wanting to stay divided.  That seems counter-productive to me.

KofM - I applaud your enthusiasm, I really do but please let people make their own choice and don't try to force people into doing something they are not comfortable with.  In a way we are all doing our bit for justice already - and most of us have been for the last 9 months.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 04:56:07 PM
No katherine?
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 05:00:35 PM
somekindofsign , I Do Not know, dead or alive But I think Mrs. Michael katherine is the person most Concerned with this. :geek:

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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 05:02:00 PM
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Sorry, I was editting my previous post.
I added a question that answers to your´s.

Where can I see that Katherine is involved?

The news about Katherine wanting a 2nd degree murder charge was heavily publicized last week:

LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's mom is furious over new allegations that  her son's doctor was more worried about hiding the drugs he was giving the King of Pop than saving his life.

Katherine Jackson, 79, is demanding an upgraded charge of second degree murder, her lawyer told the Daily News, after a report claiming Dr. Conrad Murray interrupted CPR to conceal drug evidence from paramedics.

"Mrs. Jackson never doubted that this man murdered her son, and these new revelations, if true, mean we need additional charges to fit the severity of his crimes," attorney Adam Streisand said.

"Second degree murder requires malice aforethought, which can be implied by the conduct of the defendant," he said yesterday. "The actions alleged suggest that Dr. Murray abandoned his duties as a physician or an ordinary human being to save himself rather than his patient."

It was because of this news that California Attorney General Jerry Brown has asked a court to suspend Murray's medical license in the state pending the outcome of the criminal prosecution.  

http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2010/ ... ons_d.html

The Justice4mj group is only reflecting and representing what the Jackson family have themselves said they want.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.  They are there to support the family and their wishes.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 05:10:00 PM
Thank you kingofmystery!

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LOS ANGELES - Michael Jackson's mom is furious over new allegations that  her son's doctor was more worried about hiding the drugs he was giving the King of Pop than saving his life.

Katherine Jackson, 79, is demanding an upgraded charge of second degree murder, her lawyer told the Daily News, after a report claiming Dr. Conrad Murray interrupted CPR to conceal drug evidence from paramedics.

"Mrs. Jackson never doubted that this man murdered her son, and these new revelations, if true, mean we need additional charges to fit the severity of his crimes," attorney Adam Streisand said.

"Second degree murder requires malice aforethought, which can be implied by the conduct of the defendant," he said yesterday. "The actions alleged suggest that Dr. Murray abandoned his duties as a physician or an ordinary human being to save himself rather than his patient."

Then I guess also Katherine is rushing...
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 05:14:47 PM
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Believers- Non believers... Why the division? What are we doing?
Seriously, I thought we were here to find out the truth... Well, at least that's why I'm here for...

Very well said.  That's why I don't understand the "I'm only going to focus on the hoax" mentality.  
This isn't about that.  This is about supporting the Jackson family, your love and support of MJ, and wanting justice (whatever the end result ends up being).  It's NOT about if you are hoax-believer or not.  People are getting hung up on that point, and are wanting to stay divided.  That seems counter-productive to me.

KofM - I applaud your enthusiasm, I really do but please let people make their own choice and don't try to force people into doing something they are not comfortable with.  In a way we are all doing our bit for justice already - and most of us have been for the last 9 months.

I have clearly stated the exact same thing myself. (See below).  It's a personal decision.  I can only express my opinion, and the reasons for having it.  For me personally, I just can't turn my back on the family and not do what they said they want and need help with.  It just doesn't sit well with me. I have to do what's seems right for me.  

I am just hoping to create dialogue and awareness to this subject because it clearly needed to be addressed.  People are talking about this to each other anyway.  Might as well as make an "official" post about it.   ;)

Quote from: "kingofmystery"
Well, this seems what the Jackson family is calling for.  You can either decide to agree or disagree with them.  If you're not sure, ask them directly what you as a fan/supporter should do.  The Jackson bros. are pretty accessible via their Twitter account...

You have to do what you are comfortable with.
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Re: A CALL TO ACTION: IT'S TIME TO UNITE FORCES

  • on: March 31, 2010, 05:20:19 PM
Look kingofmystery I appreciate your effort sending this information, and I´m glad you have the things so clear. You say you base it on the "fact" that this is what the family wants, which is perfectly right.

But many other people need to come to that conclusion by their own, whatever the family, the Pope, or even MJ himself say (I don´t think him would disagree with me)... and this forum is full of that kind of people.

And I say this knowing that the only thing that I could do is reggister on facebook and send a message...
Which is another thing, if they want to get something, they should be more clear, have a manifest...
All this seems to be on a cloud full of big word such as This could change the history  :?  but I can´t see anything of that. If it´s really so, they are not explaining themselves right.
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