Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 06:03:04 PM
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but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos

O2 had NOTHING to do with touring!  He would have had a house there, and do 2-3 gigs a week.  The most annoying and exhausting thing about touring is the traveling, and getting adjusted to different time zones time after time.  Since none of that would have happened during the O2 gigs, you should disregard that statement.

yea ok point taken.

but what still doesnt make any sense ( apart from the whole thing tbh) is that why would michael, being a perfectionist want to film This is it, using a double?? and try to pass this off as it being him on the stage??

im not bothered by the fact that he uses one so that he has enough time to change costume, its the fact that people think that he used a double for the majority of the rehersal, if it is, well god damn its a bloody perfect double  :lol:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 09:13:52 PM
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?

I just did......

I understand your point, but it's a movie so couldn't they just turn the cameras off while he changed or cut out the part where he was back changing?
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 09:26:49 PM
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?

I just did......

I understand your point, but it's a movie so couldn't they just turn the cameras off while he changed or cut out the part where he was back changing?
Honestly, I tend to believe that the ''small camera screen view'' with just Red 7 shirt and grey suit jacket is MJ and the ''FULL SCREEN'' view camera has the doubles in it.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 09:33:03 PM
There is no doubt that he used them on stage for a little rest. But he never used them for his appearances! EVER!
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 21, 2010, 06:17:53 AM
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There is no doubt that he used them on stage for a little rest. But he never used them for his appearances! EVER!

Just open your, eyes it's all about ILLusion, All smoke and mirrors.
It's not about Michaelit's about US.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 21, 2010, 06:13:21 PM
I hope they are no doubles becaus if he used double then maybe he was really sick and couldn't be there for the rehearsal and maybe he died for real
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 21, 2010, 06:19:26 PM
Nope still not buying the double story. And never will... :geek:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 22, 2010, 02:15:07 AM
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Nope still not buying the double story. And never will... :geek:
me too :D
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 22, 2010, 02:45:16 AM
We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.

I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 22, 2010, 02:47:09 AM
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.

I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
Agreed. There really shouldn't be no more double threads. If anyone isn't convinced of doubles now They just aren't.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 22, 2010, 02:52:26 AM
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.

I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
Agreed. There really shouldn't be no more double threads. If anyone isn't convinced of doubles now They just aren't.


Michael used doubles (and so do many other singers, actors, public figures) and it's a fact.

With twins (two MJ theory) it's another story. How could anyone buy that?
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 22, 2010, 03:03:37 AM
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.

I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
Agreed. There really shouldn't be no more double threads. If anyone isn't convinced of doubles now They just aren't.


Michael used doubles (and so do many other singers, actors, public figures) and it's a fact.

With twins (two MJ theory) it's another story. How could anyone buy that?
yeah the twin theory  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  but there were doubles in this is it and in his public appearances
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 22, 2010, 03:09:40 AM
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We know Michael Jackson has used doubles and impersonators (and/or probably still uses them). Even his driver noted that during Dangerour tour MJ asked lookalikes to mislead paparazzi.

I just wanted to tell you that there's no need to re-invent a bike while there are plenty of other things to focus on.
Agreed. There really shouldn't be no more double threads. If anyone isn't convinced of doubles now They just aren't.


Michael used doubles (and so do many other singers, actors, public figures) and it's a fact.

With twins (two MJ theory) it's another story. How could anyone buy that?
yeah the twin theory  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  but there were doubles in this is it and in his public appearances

I'm not very sure about public appearances, but I believe impersonators might have been used in TII. I haven't seen it. Now matter how hopeful I am for MJ to be alive, it's still a bit too soon.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 22, 2010, 03:29:40 AM
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Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.

We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...

Or I missunderstood what you mean.

If you looked closely enough, there was a man pushing the spider.
Then Michael came in from under it using the toaster.

You're not getting the point.  During a live performance there's simply not enough time for Mike to do the song, get off stage, crawl under the spider, get wheeled on stage again and crawl out.  Watch that scene, it only takes 3-4 seconds.

That's because Thriller would have opened with the Spider    :roll:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 24, 2010, 08:18:50 AM
Thriller doesn't start with the spider, the 3D vid starts halfway the song during the Vincent Price part,
Do you actualy know the Thriller song?  :roll:

Get your FACTS straight !!!

Always check your sources, there's already to much misinformation in this world.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 24, 2010, 09:00:58 AM
We all know Michael has used doubles before, not just off stage but onstage too. Dangerous tour - man with rocket on his back flies off stage. History tour - Thriller. Michael sinks down through stage up comes masked double. However, I do  not see the point of using doubles if this was supposed to be a film as many claim except from Michael not being well enough to go through with it all on his own. Some claim Michael wasn't well and couldn't even perform one full song (heartbreaking indeed  :( ), therefore the doubles. Proving there were doubles in TII might not be positive you know, but I do want the truth...
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 24, 2010, 10:10:10 AM
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We all know Michael has used doubles before, not just off stage but onstage too. Dangerous tour - man with rocket on his back flies off stage. History tour - Thriller. Michael sinks down through stage up comes masked double. However, I do  not see the point of using doubles if this was supposed to be a film as many claim except from Michael not being well enough to go through with it all on his own. Some claim Michael wasn't well and couldn't even perform one full song (heartbreaking indeed  :( ), therefore the doubles. Proving there were doubles in TII might not be positive you know, but I do want the truth...
Michael could of been behind the camera, he always said he wanted to MAKE films, or He could of been busy planning the HOAX and couldn't make it to some of the rehearsals  ;)
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 24, 2010, 11:59:41 AM
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We all know Michael has used doubles before, not just off stage but onstage too. Dangerous tour - man with rocket on his back flies off stage. History tour - Thriller. Michael sinks down through stage up comes masked double. However, I do  not see the point of using doubles if this was supposed to be a film as many claim except from Michael not being well enough to go through with it all on his own. Some claim Michael wasn't well and couldn't even perform one full song (heartbreaking indeed  :( ), therefore the doubles. Proving there were doubles in TII might not be positive you know, but I do want the truth...
Michael could of been behind the camera, he always said he wanted to MAKE films, or He could of been busy planning the HOAX and couldn't make it to some of the rehearsals  ;)

Yeah but he's a perfectionist. If he wanted to make film (I know he has said so but not sure if TII was what he had in mind) wouldn't he have wanted it to be perfect? What do you think about people and fans saying that he didn't look well? These fans that say he spoke to them about his concerns are making me confused  :? .
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 24, 2010, 12:03:07 PM
he couldnt direct if he was in front of the camera could he :lol:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 24, 2010, 12:23:24 PM
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Thriller doesn't start with the spider, the 3D vid starts halfway the song during the Vincent Price part,
Do you actualy know the Thriller song?  :roll:

Get your FACTS straight !!!

Always check your sources, there's already to much misinformation in this world.

They'd mixed it up. Instead of ending with Vincent's voiceover, they started with it - and ended abruptly with Threatened.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 24, 2010, 02:31:27 PM
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?

I just did......

I understand your point, but it's a movie so couldn't they just turn the cameras off while he changed or cut out the part where he was back changing?

If he had to disappear earlier than planned, in order to finish the film they would have to use a double.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 24, 2010, 02:44:24 PM
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Thriller doesn't start with the spider, the 3D vid starts halfway the song during the Vincent Price part,
Do you actualy know the Thriller song?  :roll:

Get your FACTS straight !!!

Always check your sources, there's already to much misinformation in this world.

They'd mixed it up. Instead of ending with Vincent's voiceover, they started with it - and ended abruptly with Threatened.

Exactly, at first you see the dancers in the 'movie' during Vincent's part. And after it Michael appears with the spider.
So I think they mixed it up for the tour, it makes no sense to do the song first, and to show the movie with the Vincent part after it.
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