Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

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Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 19, 2010, 11:00:16 PM
While watching This is it tonight (had a nice evening with Mo) I (we) noticed the following:

For the sake of continuity of the live performance of Thriller there has to be a double in Tii, I'll explain why:

-No way someone can actualy leave the stage, change costume and get in a spider under 4 seconds.
It 's just the old disapear and reapear magic trick, wich is pulled of by using ......... doubles.

-In the part after he crawls out of the spider, he barely sings........ (so who is the puppetmaster now)

After the song Kenny says : " Make sure there is somebody waiting for Michael there  with a flashlight and everything"

Well, you need a flashlight to get on stage, not to get off.(and I have personale experience).....
So what Kenny is saying, there has to be someone ready to help the "real" Michael Jackson on stage, probably in a new costume....... (that's what rehearsals are for)

Yes I know , on the DVD they sliced 2 rehearsals together, but my point is:

They never could pull of these costume changes, without the use of a double


Point clear??? .........  End of discusion.

NOWAY "IT WAS ALL MICHAEL" IN THIS IS IT
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 19, 2010, 11:11:02 PM
Thanks for posting this keyboardwizz, and thanks for a lovely evening!
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 19, 2010, 11:19:09 PM
I agree 100%.  It's all part of the illusion.  Those photos on another topic, show a stunt double in Smooth Criminal, and the other double is there to help the dancers rehearse when MJ wasn't able to be there.  KO said that himself.  But why show that on DVD????  Is it to arouse suspicion?????    With love  L.O.V.E  xox :D  :D  :D  ;)  ;)  ;)
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 19, 2010, 11:23:38 PM
I don't think it was a big secret really.  His own dad mentioned them....
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 19, 2010, 11:25:03 PM
wasnt michael to open thriller coming out of the spider???
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 12:45:35 AM
great post keyboard wizz  :mrgreen:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 12:52:43 AM
I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 01:01:05 AM
Yeah, the spider was supposed to be for the opening of Thriller (despite the fact the concerts were never going to take place.....so far), recall the video opening the song in This Is It. It ends with the big black widow spider emerging and approaching the camera (audience). I also realize that that wasn't how they did it in the video, but I don't have time to analyze that right now. I dunno, just thought i'd point that out.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 02:00:13 AM
Quote from: "MJFAN7"
I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?
I'm thinking, either he was Busy planning the Hoax or he wanted to do more behind the camera work. he did state in his 2005 Geraldo interview ''i wanna do a film. something big, something large'' Idk about you guys but i think this is a double: he looks way different then the attached photo MJFan7 has  :geek:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 05:56:48 AM
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?
I'm thinking, either he was Busy planning the Hoax or he wanted to do more behind the camera work. he did state in his 2005 Geraldo interview ''i wanna do a film. something big, something large'' Idk about you guys but i think this is a double: he looks way different then the attached photo MJFan7 has  :geek:

I think it's def real Mike. Just a few of them in TII were doubles I think.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 06:07:15 AM
I was thinking that it was him the entire movie but he did look different on some parts of the movie.  So it could be possible.  I know he used E Casanova in the Who is it? video.  I notice when he is talking to Kenny O. and he says that's a cool move he had a deep cleft in his chin and his lips look really pink.  Then on other parts the cleft didn't look as deep in his chin.  I know one of the dancers said that he would show up for rehearsal sporadically.  So apparently he missed some rehearsals.  I also read that Kenny made sure to film him when ever he showed up so who knows?  I know he was dancing very different in those orange leggings.  I wonder who picked his outfits for that movie because some of them were kinda odd.  He looked good on the part when he is talking to Michael Beardon at the keyboard and he's wearing all black.  He had his hair down and it's all curly.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 06:24:24 AM
Quote from: "SiMTii"
Yeah, the spider was supposed to be for the opening of Thriller (despite the fact the concerts were never going to take place.....so far), recall the video opening the song in This Is It. It ends with the big black widow spider emerging and approaching the camera (audience). I also realize that that wasn't how they did it in the video, but I don't have time to analyze that right now. I dunno, just thought i'd point that out.

Exactly.

Plus the fact that that scene started on a different day, so you can't say at all that it fitted in with the order of the performance.

I.e. it is NOT definitive proof, at all.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 08:08:46 AM
Of course it's not proof, nothing is. The man is not an idiot.

If there's proof then there will be no illusion anymore ;)
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 08:11:29 AM
Quote from: "~Souza~"
Of course it's not proof, nothing is. The man is not an idiot.

If there's proof then there will be no illusion anymore ;)
Agreed. ;)
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 08:12:30 AM
cmon we know there are double
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 10:29:07 AM
My point for posting this was to prove that it was technically impossible,
I don't need no proof, but a lot of people should wake up and open their eyes

It 's all about finding out the truth
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 10:41:50 AM
Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.

We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...

Or I missunderstood what you mean.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 03:53:54 PM
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I've always thought that this was definitely Michael (the attached photo) because not only does he look very similar to michael, he's really the only one without glasses, and in the main menu, they show stills from this is it, and they only show "this" michael.

But can someone explain to me why he used doubles?  :?

I just did......
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 04:16:53 PM
well yea we all know tha michael used doubles .... he used them to clear crazy fans away from hotels, he sent them in ambulances to hospitals to create a distraction and also for a bit of a joke, and he used a double in Dangerous tour, during thriller at the end, also in HIStory.  TII DVD showed that during Dirty Diana, the bed would be "engulfed with flames" and tha michael would be on the bed with the aerialist, but the double was going to appear at that point so michael could get ready, and with the bed in "flames" nobody would know the wiser.

but what i dont get is that, i 100% believe its all michael in TII and it would take some seriously hard evidence to convince me otherwise, but why would he need to have a double at the rehersal if the only purpose was for Dirty Diana, which we have been told was never rehearsed.  if he wanted to see what it would look like on stage, Travis would play michael.

Yes Orange pants, michael does look a bit off, but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos, so youd think michael being michael, knowing all the songs and steps, that he would get kinda peeved rehearsing stuff that he has been doing all his life :lol:

i acually forgot what i was going to say next so .... yeah  :lol:
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 05:05:24 PM
he wanted to direct to needed doubles :)
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 05:22:48 PM
This doesn't prove doubles one bit.  And in my honest opinion doubles were only used for stunts and for MJ to see what the show would look like from the seats.  Everyone says red pants MJ was a double.  Really?  Would a double have known the the growl in The Way You Make Me Feel was off cued and get upset about it?  I couldn't see that.  And you know what, it's MJ's voice.  People could say all day long that it wasn't him, it wasn't him....well it was. Get over it.  Just because the whole spider thing and 4 seconds doesn't mean anything.  The movie was bit and pieces glued together to make a movie.  Sure they might have had straight through footage, but they had to make it look like they didn't.  So in Thriller it was Michael coming out of the spider for sure.  It wasn't like we saw him singing and dancing and then 4 seconds later he is coming out of a spider live.  It's bits and pieces.  Keep that in mind.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 05:24:07 PM
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but Remember Michael HATED to Tour.... he said this on the private home videos

O2 had NOTHING to do with touring!  He would have had a house there, and do 2-3 gigs a week.  The most annoying and exhausting thing about touring is the traveling, and getting adjusted to different time zones time after time.  Since none of that would have happened during the O2 gigs, you should disregard that statement.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 05:27:35 PM
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Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.

We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...

Or I missunderstood what you mean.

If you looked closely enough, there was a man pushing the spider.
Then Michael came in from under it using the toaster.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 05:32:49 PM
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Sorry, but I don´t understand what´s technically impossible.
We see the sprider in Cluver studios, fade to the spider emerging (white pants man pulling from into it), fade to MJ coming out of it... cut and edit in TII the movie.

We don´t know how they were doing it alive... I guess spider video plus dancers and lighting movement on stage...

Or I missunderstood what you mean.

If you looked closely enough, there was a man pushing the spider.
Then Michael came in from under it using the toaster.

You're not getting the point.  During a live performance there's simply not enough time for Mike to do the song, get off stage, crawl under the spider, get wheeled on stage again and crawl out.  Watch that scene, it only takes 3-4 seconds.
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Re: Defenitive proof Michael uses doubles

  • on: March 20, 2010, 05:39:48 PM
Myeah.  :| I get it.
But I'm sure they used a sh**load of editing.

While the spider is crawling out, they lower him on the toaster, then when he's under the spider, they push him back up. That's what I thought I saw happen. But maybe you guys are right?
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