TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 13, 2010, 10:11:00 PM
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I don't fully get the "it was supposed to be a film" theory. I mean yes I know the facts but that does not necesssarily rule out the concerts. Even if it was meant to be a film it does not definitelt mean there weren't gonna be any concerts. They might have wanted to do both which is not impossible at all since it's a "concert documentry2 kind of. Also for those who think there were doubles (still not sure myself) why would Michael even want to use doubles for some of those scenes? He's a perfectionist and that just does not make sense.

You are right, I remember the interview on a radio station where it was mentioned that they wanted to make a movie because of promotional reasons. So I think you are right to say that making a film and the concerts is planed.
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 13, 2010, 10:57:18 PM
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I don't fully get the "it was supposed to be a film" theory. I mean yes I know the facts but that does not necesssarily rule out the concerts. Even if it was meant to be a film it does not definitelt mean there weren't gonna be any concerts. They might have wanted to do both which is not impossible at all since it's a "concert documentry2 kind of. Also for those who think there were doubles (still not sure myself) why would Michael even want to use doubles for some of those scenes? He's a perfectionist and that just does not make sense.

You are right, I remember the interview on a radio station where it was mentioned that they wanted to make a movie because of promotional reasons. So I think you are right to say that making a film and the concerts is planed.
Maybe he used doubles for a illusion? like beLIEve poster... ''promotional'' :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:03:38 PM
:lol:  i was reading and my daughter is watching HSM... :lol:
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:14:57 PM
I think the substitute MJ. the one in the orange pants, was hired to fill in for MJ, so the dancers could still rehearse even when MJ couldn't be there..(He was too busy working on his hoax death plan with the family)  Just a thought !!!!  And I agree with the fact that it was filmed over 2 days as I also examined closely all the wardrobe changes, which weren't many.  Cheers xox
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:52:06 PM
It's fishy either way.

If they were filming Michael "in case" he didn't make it to do the concerts because...

 or...

If in reverse Michael was orchestrating this as a movie never intending to perform any of it on stage.

Lets face it, "This Is It" wasn't Michael's best work.  I don't believe that he would ever have released 'practice' sessions at all, or at the very least this whole thing was cut very very short.

IMO he would have had to be very very sure that he would be seen in a positive light based on past negative footage. Do you guys think this movie does that?  Is it up to his usual standards?  Do you honestly think he would have wanted us to see this patchwork that was so haphazardly put together?

Here are some facts about Michael that I have never seen disputed.

1. Michael the perfectionist.
2. Michael taking great pains to keep as much privacy in his life as possible.
3. Michael not giving a crap about money in the sense of how much any of this will cost.
4. Michael being all about a polished finished product when it comes to his craft.

All of what we know about him makes it terribly hard for me to believe that he would have been in any way sloppy about this or any other venture.  
Leading me to believe that someone else was pulling the strings...  
Leaving Michael looking for a way out, because in this scenario he most certainly would want out...
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 12:47:09 AM
Quote from: "shakespere25"
It's fishy either way.

If they were filming Michael "in case" he didn't make it to do the concerts because...

 or...

If in reverse Michael was orchestrating this as a movie never intending to perform any of it on stage.

Lets face it, "This Is It" wasn't Michael's best work.  I don't believe that he would ever have released 'practice' sessions at all, or at the very least this whole thing was cut very very short.

IMO he would have had to be very very sure that he would be seen in a positive light based on past negative footage. Do you guys think this movie does that?  Is it up to his usual standards?  Do you honestly think he would have wanted us to see this patchwork that was so haphazardly put together?

Here are some facts about Michael that I have never seen disputed.

1. Michael the perfectionist.
2. Michael taking great pains to keep as much privacy in his life as possible.
3. Michael not giving a crap about money in the sense of how much any of this will cost.
4. Michael being all about a polished finished product when it comes to his craft.

All of what we know about him makes it terribly hard for me to believe that he would have been in any way sloppy about this or any other venture.  
Leading me to believe that someone else was pulling the strings...  
Leaving Michael looking for a way out, because in this scenario he most certainly would want out...

I very much agree with you. And yeah, it's fishy either way.  :?
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 03:46:15 AM
Quote from: "shakespere25"
It's fishy either way.

If they were filming Michael "in case" he didn't make it to do the concerts because...

 or...

If in reverse Michael was orchestrating this as a movie never intending to perform any of it on stage.

Lets face it, "This Is It" wasn't Michael's best work.  I don't believe that he would ever have released 'practice' sessions at all, or at the very least this whole thing was cut very very short.

IMO he would have had to be very very sure that he would be seen in a positive light based on past negative footage. Do you guys think this movie does that?  Is it up to his usual standards?  Do you honestly think he would have wanted us to see this patchwork that was so haphazardly put together?

Here are some facts about Michael that I have never seen disputed.

1. Michael the perfectionist.
2. Michael taking great pains to keep as much privacy in his life as possible.
3. Michael not giving a crap about money in the sense of how much any of this will cost.
4. Michael being all about a polished finished product when it comes to his craft.

All of what we know about him makes it terribly hard for me to believe that he would have been in any way sloppy about this or any other venture.  
Leading me to believe that someone else was pulling the strings...  
Leaving Michael looking for a way out, because in this scenario he most certainly would want out...

I find very interesting what you just mentionned here. From my msn.ca homepage I did a search to see if there was anything new out there circulating about mj and I came a across an article dated march 13th in wich the 1st had picked dancer by mj a year ago day to day was being interviewed. His name is Kyiss Grant and I found 2 things very interesting that fit in very well with what you are saying.

1. He claimed that he questionned what was going on as to wether Michael was being takin advantage of and being told what to do.

2. Grant says he is bemused about what was included in TII and what wasnt. He says there is a lot of stuff that was not shown in TII and he really dont know why.

And there is one more thing he said that I fouund intriguing. He said that for the last 2 rehearsals Michael was different, he was really into it and open minded. He says MJ's vibe was just really different. :?
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 04:03:27 AM
There were dancer auditions way back in April 2009. The link below is from dancers who auditioned and either made it or not or those that wished they could of auditioned. The thread is long, but it does exist regarding dancer auditions. One of the members on MJHD.NET is a dancer herself and said "stuff like this is advertised through agencies and stage school magazines or MJs promoter/agent will let stage schools know where they are holding open auditions.. Its not a tv show so that is how its done.."

http://www.maximum-jackson.com/discussi ... -8611.html

Here's just a couple of posts that might interest you:-

[b]Marni17th April 2009, 07:20 AM
DI- I posted that list on the first page [/b]

MJrock, apparently it was a private audition and according to sources and bloggers, some dancers came from other parts of the US and "all over the world". Sounds to me like people were actually invited personally after they were chosen from agencies.

Super J18th April 2009, 01:00 PMPete Carter (who had MJ do his autograph on his back - see Anything For News) speaks about the auditions a little more...[/b]

I wasn't inside the auditions. I am a dancer- but I don't have an agent or anything and you had to be submitted and chosen to even audition. A good friend of mine auditioned and was 2 people away from making it. Travis Payne taught the Dangerous routine- with some added steps- Michael sat in the audience and pointed out dancers he liked. Seven guys and 2 girls were chosen. I watched as each person came out either completely freaking out that they just made the tour- or just very excited that they even got the chance to audition for Michael. A couple girls came out and were falling to their knees saying they were SO close. He just had the girls freestyle for him. I saw Prince's twin dancers from 3121 there.
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 12:33:38 PM
Quote from: "Jennie"
I find very interesting what you just mentionned here. From my msn.ca homepage I did a search to see if there was anything new out there circulating about mj and I came a across an article dated march 13th in wich the 1st had picked dancer by mj a year ago day to day was being interviewed. His name is Kyiss Grant and I found 2 things very interesting that fit in very well with what you are saying.

1. He claimed that he questionned what was going on as to wether Michael was being takin advantage of and being told what to do.

2. Grant says he is bemused about what was included in TII and what wasnt. He says there is a lot of stuff that was not shown in TII and he really dont know why.

And there is one more thing he said that I fouund intriguing. He said that for the last 2 rehearsals Michael was different, he was really into it and open minded. He says MJ's vibe was just really different. :?

I saw him being told what to do in some of those scenes... I attributed that to doubles who simply didn't know what they were doing...
Editing is an interesting thing.  I would be very interested in seeing unedited footage for sure!
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 01:16:23 PM
From a video editor/producer stand point, shooting Michael for only two days for a documentary just doesn't cut it. It takes hours of footage just to make a decent 30 minute show let alone an entire put together documentary.
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 02:33:33 PM
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It's fishy either way.

If they were filming Michael "in case" he didn't make it to do the concerts because...

 or...

If in reverse Michael was orchestrating this as a movie never intending to perform any of it on stage.

Lets face it, "This Is It" wasn't Michael's best work.  I don't believe that he would ever have released 'practice' sessions at all, or at the very least this whole thing was cut very very short.

IMO he would have had to be very very sure that he would be seen in a positive light based on past negative footage. Do you guys think this movie does that?  Is it up to his usual standards?  Do you honestly think he would have wanted us to see this patchwork that was so haphazardly put together?

Here are some facts about Michael that I have never seen disputed.

1. Michael the perfectionist.
2. Michael taking great pains to keep as much privacy in his life as possible.
3. Michael not giving a crap about money in the sense of how much any of this will cost.
4. Michael being all about a polished finished product when it comes to his craft.

All of what we know about him makes it terribly hard for me to believe that he would have been in any way sloppy about this or any other venture.  
Leading me to believe that someone else was pulling the strings...  
Leaving Michael looking for a way out, because in this scenario he most certainly would want out...

I find very interesting what you just mentionned here. From my msn.ca homepage I did a search to see if there was anything new out there circulating about mj and I came a across an article dated march 13th in wich the 1st had picked dancer by mj a year ago day to day was being interviewed. His name is Kyiss Grant and I found 2 things very interesting that fit in very well with what you are saying.

1. He claimed that he questionned what was going on as to wether Michael was being takin advantage of and being told what to do.

2. Grant says he is bemused about what was included in TII and what wasnt. He says there is a lot of stuff that was not shown in TII and he really dont know why.

And there is one more thing he said that I fouund intriguing. He said that for the last 2 rehearsals Michael was different, he was really into it and open minded. He says MJ's vibe was just really different. :?
because it was REALLY michael not a Double  ;)
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 02:34:18 PM
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I think the substitute MJ. the one in the orange pants, was hired to fill in for MJ, so the dancers could still rehearse even when MJ couldn't be there..(He was too busy working on his hoax death plan with the family)  Just a thought !!!!  And I agree with the fact that it was filmed over 2 days as I also examined closely all the wardrobe changes, which weren't many.  Cheers xox
Nice theory!  ;)
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 03:10:36 PM
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie.  You can't put a live show like this together in three months....

THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....

http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg

Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert!  This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR!    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.

if it had been rehearsal footage for 'michael's private archives', like they were trying to tell people, there would have even been no reason to list it anywhere at all. only commercial productions are listed, right? if the movie shows up as 'documentary' in any next movie award nominations (whichever one...), it'll be the last proof that 'this is it' was a movie from the beginning and never 'private footage'. well, kenny already gave that away enough times, especially when he said that michael 'personally supervised', which clips were going to be used in the final movie. now, when was that supposed to be?  :mrgreen:
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 03:56:17 PM
[quote="tabloidburn
if it had been rehearsal footage for 'michael's private archives', like they were trying to tell people, there would have even been no reason to list it anywhere at all. only commercial productions are listed, right? if the movie shows up as 'documentary' in any next movie award nominations (whichever one...), it'll be the last proof that 'this is it' was a movie from the beginning and never 'private footage'. well, kenny already gave that away enough times, especially when he said that michael 'personally supervised', which clips were going to be used in the final movie. now, when was that supposed to be?  :mrgreen:[/quote]


Good point
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 14, 2010, 05:56:29 PM
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Of course it was always meant to be a movie.  You can't put a live show like this together in three months....

THIS (below) was the FIRST PROMO PIC released for This Is It in May of 2009.....

http://www.accesshollywood.com/content/ ... -is-it.jpg

Certainly, this is a picture promoting a MOVIE, not a concert!  This has ALWAYS been CRYSTAL CLEAR!    :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
and it was registerd as a ''motion picture'' it would of been logical to list it as a ''music concert documentary'' or something.


Yes!  And the audiovisual recordings from June 23rd and June 24th were PRE-REGISTERED in the United States Copyright Database as "Motion Picture/Soundtrack/Musical."    ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS going to be a movie!  This is the movie MJ contacted DiLeo about co-producing in 2007, the kind of movie that had never been done before!    :lol:  :lol:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
thats what confused me what does it mean audiovisual recordings from june 23-24th? i though this was filmed for 3 months?


I know you keep up very well and I pay close attention to your posts.  The ones who were there, technical people, lighting people etc. who have spoken say Michael came for the "dancer auditions, many business/production meetings and was involved in all aspects of creative production."  They say Michael was at Culver City from June 1st through June 10th for the DOME project and filming of the 3D and 2D films which included green screen.  That explains why everyone was so excited for "And Michael's coming today. There's The Man.  The Man is here."    They say after that he did not return again until June 23rd which was the first rehearsal day at the Staples Center.  So the 23rd and 24th were clearly planned to be the audiovisual/sound track recordings for the motion picture.  That's the ONLY way that any of this makes any sense.  

All of Michael's on-stage performances were shot in those two days, the 23rd and 24th, and he has several wardrobe changes to make it look like many different days, but the back-up singers and dancers' wardrobe changes do not coincide with Michael's.  For instance Orianthi has on the silver dress and sparkling boots while Michael goes through 4 changes of clothes.  Orianthi is the easiest one to keep up with because of the "sparkly" outfit but if one pays close attention, you will clearly see that Michael is changing clothes and no one else is.   ;)   Clearly, June 23rd and June 24th were shot for the "motion picture" and that is why it is 'PRE-REGISTERED IN THE COPYRIGHT DATABASE" as such.    :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:
Ohhhh, Gotcha  ;)
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 15, 2010, 03:05:26 AM
Dear moderators,
adjust the reference to the author's blog http://arvenru.wordpress.com/. I hope for further fruitful cooperation.
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 15, 2010, 04:43:21 AM
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Dear moderators,
adjust the reference to the author's blog http://arvenru.wordpress.com/. I hope for further fruitful cooperation.
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what does this have to do with the topic??
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 15, 2010, 07:58:30 AM
lol nothing has to do with the topic on this thread anyway...it was supposed to be about the fake casting of the dancers and everybody talks bout sth else....so........welcome Olgeya...lol
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 15, 2010, 08:23:11 AM
It dosent surprice me, that it was filmed over 2 days only, and Michael wore only 2 pair of pants. The orange and the black with the dirty spot on, right ? But that about the dancers, wow! Lies all the time :o
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 15, 2010, 11:59:38 AM
First post of the topic has been copied to the blog theresurrectionmj, and then on http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ without reference to the blog author http://arvenru.wordpress.com/.
The Author of this meterial spent too much time to collect and analise various data. She has many other interesting articles.
Once again kindly requested to moderators edit the post. I hope for your understanding. ;)  Lets respect each other's hard work
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: March 16, 2010, 04:09:25 PM
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First post of the topic has been copied to the blog theresurrectionmj, and then on http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/ without reference to the blog author http://arvenru.wordpress.com/.
The Author of this meterial spent too much time to collect and analise various data. She has many other interesting articles.
Once again kindly requested to moderators edit the post. I hope for your understanding. ;)  Lets respect each other's hard work

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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: April 28, 2010, 07:12:50 PM
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http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=5924

i posed this vid that was taken by the people in the vid outside the staples, now the first time i saw this a while back.... i think July/August, but the Vid was uploaded in that period and they said that thie vid was taken at the Staples on the 3rd of June !!!!

so mike was in rehersal and TII was not all done in 2 days, maybe there were a few somgs done during the 2 dates, but there is obviously more to this than meets the eye.  i strongly believe that TII was intended to be a series of Concerts, and that michael had fully intended to do all the dates ( call me crazy  :lol: ), but i think that a hoax wasnt planned, i think that maybe something was "haunting" mike and that he had decided last minute to pull this off, which is why i think all these irregularities with his "death".  i jjust cant find a reason to think that he planned this over time, i would probably say that it may have been planned within a Week .

so call me Crazy ! :lol:  :lol:

We are both crazy !!!! :lol:  I totally agreec :x  with u!!! :mrgreen:
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: April 28, 2010, 07:35:24 PM
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he probably rehearsed for the FILM B4 the 23rd but the footage was taken on the 23rd and 24th LOL!
I agree, it was meant to be a movie and not a concert.

Me too...Michael had this all planned out
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: April 28, 2010, 09:08:44 PM
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he probably rehearsed for the FILM B4 the 23rd but the footage was taken on the 23rd and 24th LOL!
I agree, it was meant to be a movie and not a concert.

So true - just because the footage was shot in two days doesn't mean they didn't rehearse a few days longer. I know nothing about making movies or doing concerts but it just seems like it would take so much longer to rehearse for something this big. IDK.
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Re: TII article claims Fake Casting for dancers

  • on: April 28, 2010, 10:42:53 PM
I think this article is fake to be honest with you. I actually had the opportunity of meeting Daniel Celebre. He taught me the Thriller dance! And the stories he told my friend and I were unbelievable how he made it. I honestly don't think the casting was fake.

Plus, Michael is such a great, great artist and no doubt a perfectionist. He would want and need the best of the best to back him up, and the only way to do this would be to have auditions for people all around the world. ;)
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