What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

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What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 08:54:15 AM
These doubles have gotten me to thinking more and more about their relationship with MJ. He  selected particular ones and did so with a huge element of trust. Consider this...they went out and interacted with MJs fans as MJ.  MJ couldn't have a double being seen drunk in public or saying rude things to his fans, right? These doubles had to be carefully chosen and instucted on their "do's and don'ts".

I would love to know  when the doubles  were selected to go out as MJ and under what circumstances. Did they  get the request when MJ was not feeling well, had a conflict in schedule or just didn't feel in the mood to interact with the public that  day.  That may be difficult …not impossible ...but difficult to uncover. MJ reportedly required many employees to sign confidentiality agreements. The doubles most likely had to do this as well considering the sensitive nature of their work.  

These doubles interacted with MJ a lot and several  have befriended him, hung out with him and were invited to his home. By becoming his friend, what are the chances that he shared some inner thoughts with these guys?  I am not suggesting that he called them up to announce the hoax. But I am now wondering if they know more about the hoax than we do. This may be from past conversations with him of what he may have been interested in doing. This may also be as a result  of them having a greater insight into the man and how he thinks. You don’t spend that amount of one-on-one time with someone without getting to know them just a bit better than outsiders.

Some forum members have personally met the doubles or have friends who have met them. Man oh man I would love to talk to one of the doubles and just try and pick his brains. I have a gut feeling that the doubles know more about the hoax and MJ than people think that they do. Your thoughts?
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 09:25:17 AM
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These doubles have gotten me to thinking more and more about their relationship with MJ. He  selected particular ones and did so with a huge element of trust.

By putting it like this, you assume that all doubles were selected by Mike.  I have doubts about that, especially since I see more than one MJ way back already...
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 10:31:30 AM
The selection of doubles by others. I had not thought about that possibility.  MJ seems so meticulous when it comes to his appearance and stage performances. I based my belief that he selected the doubles on that. If a double was selected by others they wouldn't have MJs keen eye for some details. I suppose that would explain why over the years, some doubles were dead ringers  while others seemed a bit off at times.

The prospect of others selecting the doubles now really  takes me back to this question..."I would love to know when the doubles were selected to go out as MJ and under what circumstances?" What were the real circumstances? Were they selected because MJ had a simple conflict in schedule or were they ever needed at times to conceal something?

Doubles  continue to successfully work their little tribute shows.  However, they might have an interest in whether he is alive since they were often employed to act as his stand-in. Wouldn't it be funny if it is  revealed that one or more of them has followed the hoax out of their own curiosity?
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:04:48 AM
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The selection of doubles by others. I had not thought about that possibility.  MJ seems so meticulous when it comes to his appearance and stage performances. I based my belief that he selected the doubles on that. If a double was selected by others they wouldn't have MJs keen eye for some details. I suppose that would explain why over the years, some doubles were dead ringers  while others seemed a bit off at times.

The prospect of others selecting the doubles now really  takes me back to this question..."I would love to know when the doubles were selected to go out as MJ and under what circumstances?" What were the real circumstances? Were they selected because MJ had a simple conflict in schedule or were they ever needed at times to conceal something?

Doubles  continue to successfully work their little tribute shows.  However, they might have an interest in whether he is alive since they were often employed to act as his stand-in. Wouldn't it be funny if it is  revealed that one or more of them has followed the hoax out of their own curiosity?

I think there are 2 kinds of doubles. The ones hand picked by Mike to stand in when he was busy/ill or whatever, and the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down. For example to let the double sign stuff on behalf of Mike of which they knew he would never sign it himself.

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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:12:28 AM
Since I see doubles as far back as prior to the Bad era, I tend to believe that those were not picked by Mike himself.  Breaking free started with Dangerous, so the ones who controlled him must have had a hand in picking the doubles before he broke free.

After he broke free I think he picked most of the doubles himself, but some still could have been picked by the controllers to act on Mike's behalf.  By letting them perform actions that would discredit or hurt Mike in whatever way, they could still try to bring him down.  

As for those who were picked by Mike - I don't think that sending them out because he had a conflict in schedule or just didn't feel in the mood to interact with the public that day is the main reason for having doubles.  I think it had more to do with security, illness and distraction.  Distraction as in distracting those who were still after him, trying to harm him.

I wouldn't be surprised if any of the doubles is following the hoax.  If that's the case, then the question I have is: do all of them have good intentions..?  What if let's say one is an active participant in this hoax, trying to distract believers from finding the truth?  How can we be sure that all the doubles are on Mike's side?
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:14:43 AM
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I wouldn't be surprised if any of the doubles is following the hoax.  If that's the case, then the question I have is: do all of them have good intentions..?  What if let's say one is an active participant in this hoax, trying to distract believers from finding the truth?  How can we be sure that all the doubles are on Mike's side?


Exactly
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:17:48 AM
"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"

Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:31:43 AM
On the old mjkit there was a very thought-provoking thread that discussed good people  vs bad people. The person who posted the thread brought up some excellent points about how bad people may be monitoring the hoax forums and following what is uncovered. To sum it up, it was suggested that our progress is also their progress. Sadly, all eyes that view these posts aren't working on MJs side.

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Since I see doubles as far back as prior to the Bad era, I tend to believe that those were not picked by Mike himself.  Breaking free started with Dangerous, so the ones who controlled him must have had a hand in picking the doubles before he broke free.

After he broke free I think he picked most of the doubles himself, but some still could have been picked by the controllers to act on Mike's behalf.  By letting them perform actions that would discredit or hurt Mike in whatever way, they could still try to bring him down.  

As for those who were picked by Mike - I don't think that sending them out because he had a conflict in schedule or just didn't feel in the mood to interact with the public that day is the main reason for having doubles.  I think it had more to do with security, illness and distraction.  Distraction as in distracting those who were still after him, trying to harm him.

I wouldn't be surprised if any of the doubles is following the hoax.  If that's the case, then the question I have is: do all of them have good intentions..?  What if let's say one is an active participant in this hoax, trying to distract believers from finding the truth?  How can we be sure that all the doubles are on Mike's side?
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:55:15 AM
mo and souza - it seems your in the know and in the industry, do you know of any current famous music stars that have doubles and can you provide pics - please  - thank you.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:56:36 AM
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"the ones picked by people that wanted to take him down"

Sadly, that makes me think about more than just the signing of legal documents.

I know exactly what you mean...
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:58:29 AM
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mo and souza - it seems your in the know and in the industry, do you know of any current famous music stars that have doubles and can you provide pics - please  - thank you.

We are not in the know and not in the industry, I can't help you with your question.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 11:59:46 AM
so is it mo thats in the industry then?
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 12:02:06 PM
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so is it mo thats in the industry then?

The Dutch music business, so like I said, we can't help you.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 12:03:01 PM
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On the old mjkit there was a very thought-provoking thread that discussed good people  vs bad people. The person who posted the thread brought up some excellent points about how bad people may be monitoring the hoax forums and following what is uncovered. To sum it up, it was suggested that our progress is also their progress. Sadly, all eyes that view these posts aren't working on MJs side.

Exactly.  Just look at the threats we received after posting our "Mike, victim of Illuminati and Mind Control?" blog.  Even while we were still researching these subjects posters and chatters popped up trying to disrupt things.  This blog caused a huge division between believers, and still to this day Bad Plants appear to stir things up and cause an even bigger division.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 12:11:03 PM
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so is it mo thats in the industry then?

The Dutch music business, so like I said, we can't help you.

but with respect you seem to speak with authority - even if its the dutch music business  - are doubles used and can you show examples or are you like us speaking hypothetically and based on assumption?
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 12:26:01 PM
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so is it mo thats in the industry then?

The Dutch music business, so like I said, we can't help you.

but with respect you seem to speak with authority - even if its the dutch music business  - are doubles used and can you show examples or are you like us speaking hypothetically and based on assumption?

This is about MJ, not about other musicians, and defifitely not the Dutch music industry.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 12:28:40 PM
dont know why you have taken that attitude ?

really i dont

you make comments i just asked a simple question and you get all defensive - it was linked and to do with the comments made on this thread - but it okay if you dont or cant answer.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 12:56:10 PM
what I wonder is if he wasnt the one in charge of choosing doubles in this is it, he met with earnest valentino and Navi b4 he "passed", they said they were suposed to be in this is it. what I want to know is if he told them he wanted them to be in the concerts that's why I want you to reherse or if they know what really happened.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 03:46:15 PM
Makes me wonder about Michael's changing appearance.

Obviously, the vitiligo he had no control over.
But he may have had more control over the plastic surgeries, wigs, make-up, etc.

Is it possible that he changed his appearance so much to f*ck with the people who were choosing his doubles for their own reasons?

Meaning, they can't replace him with someone else if he looked different this week than he did last week.  So the usual doubles they used would either have to change via make-up and/or plastic surger, or be replaced all together.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 04:33:41 PM
Is it possible that he changed his appearance so much to f*ck with the people who were choosing his doubles for their own reasons?

Interesting point and something to consider. The doubles must have cringed when they realized that the the look that they finally perfected had changed...again.  :lol:
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 05:09:52 PM
In my opinion Mike didn't change that much.  Next to that, one can't looked different time after time again by going back and forth undergoing plastic surgery.  I think it's more likely that people think he had so much plastic surgery due to the use of doubles, who made 'him' look different appearance after appearance.
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 05:30:17 PM
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In my opinion Mike didn't change that much.  Next to that, one can't looked different time after time again by going back and forth undergoing plastic surgery.  I think it's more likely that people think he had so much plastic surgery due to the use of doubles, who made 'him' look different appearance after appearance.


Interesting post!Makes sense.
I sometimes get so confused about it,you know,what the real Michael actually looks like.Before TII, he's been out of the spotlight for awhile and we saw lots of pictures with sun glasses and masks...For example,yesterday I was looking at that famous picture in the wheel chair and was thinking: How could I know that is really Michael???
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 05:31:35 PM
Good point. Suppose there were 5 doubles hired during the course of any random 5 years and sent out to represent MJ. Someone could easily look at the slight differences among those 5 doubles and make the plastic surgery assumption.

Offtopic: Does anyone think that another Jackson family member enlisted doubles for her appearances?
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 05:45:03 PM
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Offtopic: Does anyone think that another Jackson family member enlisted doubles for her appearances?

Oh no, I'm not going there, one at the time please!  :shock:
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Re: What Do The Doubles Know That We Do Not Know?

  • on: March 13, 2010, 05:50:55 PM
Gotcha! You guys should know me by now, I like to explore the possibilities... :lol:

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Quote from: "GirlSaturday"
Offtopic: Does anyone think that another Jackson family member enlisted doubles for her appearances?

Oh no, I'm not going there, one at the time please!  :shock:
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