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MJJ1982Topic starter

I really think his name is JOE
March 12, 2010, 02:57:32 PM
I've posted this already in another topic, but I think it's worth to look at.
IMO there are 2 things possible:
1) He was born as Michael JOE Jackson
2) He was born as Michael JOSEPH Jackson, but changed his name into Michael JOE Jackson. Which I don't think, because he was too young to change his name during Motown era.

In both ways, his name on the DC has to be JOE, and not JOSEPH like it says now...
His DL and passport both say JOE.
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It is critical that identification documents and systems be authentic and accurate in order to positively and uniquely identify each individual. The California legislature has declared the California driver license (DL) and identification (ID) card as the primary identification documents in this state. California state law requires that all applicants for an original California DL/ID card submit proof of legal presence in the United States (U.S.) as authorized under federal law. Your true full name, as shown on your legal presence document and/or your name change document, will appear on your DL/ID card. These requirements help safeguard the accuracy and integrity of the documents issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV).

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Kuki

Re: I really think his name is JOE
March 12, 2010, 03:00:57 PM
Thank you for sorting this out!
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Re: I really think his name is JOE
March 12, 2010, 03:01:11 PM
Thank you for sharing the information with us MJJ
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CC

Re: I really think his name is JOE
March 12, 2010, 03:08:01 PM
he was born Joseph and changed to Joe and the dead man is Joseph, not Joe... ;)  
(if there really is a dead man...) :roll:
i saw a video of he saying or writing Michael Joseph Jackson with 7 years. and i saw a video of TMZ (again!) answer to a fan (or a lot of fans) question about this and they say: HIS LEGAL NAME IS JOE!
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Re: I really think his name is JOE
March 12, 2010, 03:12:07 PM
On the BMI website, which lists all the songs he wrote, he is listed as Joe, not Joseph....just sayin'! Official ownership of his songs with them would be very specific, I would think, as there are other Michael Jackson's also listed....and the songs listed under Michael Joe Jackson are Michael's songs...
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MJJ1982Topic starter

Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 12, 2010, 05:26:58 AM
Quote from: "CC"
he was born Joseph and changed to Joe and the dead man is Joseph, not Joe... ;)  
(if there really is a dead man...) :roll:
i saw a video of he saying or writing Michael Joseph Jackson with 7 years. and i saw a video of TMZ (again!) answer to a fan (or a lot of fans) question about this and they say: HIS LEGAL NAME IS JOE!

Do you know what video it was? Because I don't believe that he was born as Joseph. Why would daddy Joe sign Michael's Motown contract with Joe then?
I think he changed his artist name into Joseph around the period that he 'fired' Joe. He was struggling with his identity, he said there was a vague boundary between his private life and his life as an artist, and that's why I think he changed his name.
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\'Just because it\'s in print, doesn\'t mean it\'s the gospel\'

\'A star can never die. It just turns into a smile and melts back into the cosmic music, the Dance of Life\'
You\'re just another part of me... I love YOU more...

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Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 12, 2010, 05:33:09 AM
Here ya go:

[youtube:1emvbatr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djY3a3P2FYc[/youtube:1emvbatr]

[youtube:1emvbatr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wITVoHtVUo4[/youtube:1emvbatr]
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MJJ1982Topic starter

Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 12, 2010, 05:55:30 AM
'Yes, we do'  :lol:
Thank you Mo for posting. I've never seen the second part.
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\'Just because it\'s in print, doesn\'t mean it\'s the gospel\'

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ZIsis

Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 12, 2010, 11:12:11 AM
I thought this (below) is most interesting too, So, for those of you who haven't seen it yet...

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WEDNESDAY, MARCH 10, 2010

It's Joe, According To The Passport

This will be the first of two articles on the GMA bodyguard interview. But in this first one, we will not point to anything that the bodyguards said, rather, what was briefly shown on the screen.

We have seen old copies of driver's licenses on the FBI report, and have yearned to see a form of identification that was CURRENT.

Well, a current passport would fit the bill!

For unknown reasons, Michael Jackson's PASSPORT flashed on the screen while they were discussing his finances..something unrelated to a passport. Did you see it?

Here is the screen shot. (click to enlarge). Many thanks to bmclane for finding this in the video, appoximately 3 minutes in:


It is an image from the passport overlayed over a $100 bill. (This time no doubt a REAL hundred dollar bill. :) ) You can watch the video here:

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The passport expires 10/18/2013, roughly 4 years after the burial. Oh, and for fans of the Joseph vs. Joe debate, the passport lists "Joe" as the middle name.

Posted by SeeingClues at 1:11 PM
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MJJ1982Topic starter

Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 12, 2010, 12:22:14 PM
I've seen it, but thank you for posting!
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\'A star can never die. It just turns into a smile and melts back into the cosmic music, the Dance of Life\'
You\'re just another part of me... I love YOU more...

Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 14, 2010, 06:38:47 AM
so go on speculating about his name... I really think it is not that relevant... here you have two COURT videos where he has to state his name. First you have the Dangerous court case, where he states his name as "Michael JOSEPH Jackson" ; the second one verdict announcement, where he´s named as "Michael JOE Jackson".
I think bouth versions are legal!

-Dangerous court case:
[youtube:pswlg5th]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnQh9cdebm0[/youtube:pswlg5th]

- verdict announcement:
[youtube:pswlg5th]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8HCUp_f5c[/youtube:pswlg5th]
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MJJ1982Topic starter

Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 14, 2010, 12:49:20 PM
Quote from: "annieMJ"
so go on speculating about his name... I really think it is not that relevant... here you have two COURT videos where he has to state his name. First you have the Dangerous court case, where he states his name as "Michael JOSEPH Jackson" ; the second one verdict announcement, where he´s named as "Michael JOE Jackson".
I think bouth versions are legal!

-Dangerous court case:
[youtube:1o1pu18a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnQh9cdebm0[/youtube:1o1pu18a]

- verdict announcement:
[youtube:1o1pu18a]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8HCUp_f5c[/youtube:1o1pu18a]

Well, it's very simple.
In the first case (Dangerous) he's involved as Michael Joseph Jackson, the artist, and in the second one as Michael Joe Jackson, his private and real name.
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Kuki

Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 14, 2010, 01:19:44 PM
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
Well, it's very simple.
In the first case (Dangerous) he's involved as Michael Joseph Jackson, the artist, and in the second one as Michael Joe Jackson, his private and real name.

Wow, I never thought of it that way, but you might be right!
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ZIsis

Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 14, 2010, 02:00:13 PM
Quote from: "Kuki"
Quote from: "MJJ1982"
Well, it's very simple.
In the first case (Dangerous) he's involved as Michael Joseph Jackson, the artist, and in the second one as Michael Joe Jackson, his private and real name.

Wow, I never thought of it that way, but you might be right!
You & me both, Kuki!!!

Hmmm...now that's an  :idea: (In the light of which, the video where TMZ addresses the question regarding "Joe versus Joseph" makes more sense too!) Tks, MJJ1982; much appreciated  :)


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Re: I really think his name is JOE
April 14, 2010, 03:10:10 PM
Ok, could be ...
but then, way the FBI files state him as Michael JOSEPH Jackson ... I still think that there is to much interpeted into the whole Joseph vs. Joe thing and doesn´t make so much difference which is where used.
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