The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

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The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 12:34:24 AM
Please listen to what I have to say. Please read this entire post.

One thing we, yes WE, lose site of, the Jackson family came from very humble beginnings in Gary, Indiana. They truly are the American dream. A poor black family living in a tiny house in the murder capital of the US, a derelect town, surrounded by gangs and violence and crime.... Joe shepherded that family to a better life, and if it wasn't for him.... for JOE, we may never have known Michael.

This is Michael's home in Gary. Think about this. Think about growing up here and what it took to become the Michael Jackson we know from these beginings. Next time you diss Joe, or any member of the Jackson family, and say hateful things about them, remember that Joe took his family from here to where they are now. There are 100 million Black families in America living in homes just like this one:


The Jackson family could have easily taken a very different path. It happens every day. It happens more often then not. Their story is amazing. Michael, with the support system of his family, came from poverty to rise to the greatest heights of a world icon. Not just a pop star but a global figure. He did this all not in spite of them, but BECAUSE OF THEM.

Remember this is where our beloved Michael came from. Remember it is because of Joe that they got out of here, because of the love and strength within the Jackson family, they escaped Gary and it's economic trap. Many, too many young families are not so lucky, not only in Gary, but in a thousand small towns and villages and cities across the country.

There is a systematic, imbedded culture of racism in this country. If the Jackson family had been white, I don't believe they would be subjected to the criticism that they are. I don't believe they would be the butt of cruel jokes and scrutinization of their every move and word. America loves to see a black man fall from grace. If the Jackson's had been a white family they would have been championed and held up as a shining example of what hard work and perseverance can accomplish. They would be reveared as heros and a model for the rest of us. Michael scraped out an existance for himself that was on top of the world, and he could not have done it without the loving support system of the strong family unit that is the Jacksons. His accomplishments, and that of the entire family made him and them a target in this country. Eyes need to be opened. We need to recognize the ugly truth. Racism is alive and well and it drives this entire campaign of hate against Michael. Racism drives the campaign of hate in this country. It touches all corners of life here, like a cancer.

Hate has the power to destroy everything we build and do and become. But hate only has power when it is given a venue. Hate thrives in the environment of ignorance and intollerance and fear.

Please understand, when you pass judgement on the Jackson family you are behaving absolutely no better then the media who has crucified Michael and his family alive for the past 20 years. This needs to stop. And it needs to stop NOW. L.O.V.E. isn't just a cute little cliche phrase to put in your siggy and make you feel like you're doing something while you turn around and behave exactly as the vultures and leaches who tried SO HARD to destroy this beautiful, gentle man for so very long.

Don't ever forget, Michael loves his family and they love Michael, and NO ONE has the right to doubt or dispairage that love. Do not judge because you doubt yourself. Do not criticize because you are unhappy inside. Make that change. Spread some happiness and love and tollerance and YOU will reap the reward. YOU will benefit because your small contribution will flourish and spread and come back on you, 1000x over. Happiness is infectious, love is contageous. Everyone has it, time to share it, because when you do, the reward is the greatest riches that cannot be registered on any bank account or check ledger. The reward is what you feel inside, when you smile at a stranger, when you perform a random act of kindness, when you practice tollerance and acceptance and then have it granted back on you again. This is what will save the world.

And it starts right here, with us. WITH YOU.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 12:48:34 AM
Yes . I totally agree !! I  read stuff here about MJ'S family that is not respectful at all and I always say I HOPE MJ DOESN'T SEE THIS and imagine how he would feel about it .. We love Michael we have to respect his family and their privacy  .. Thank you so much for this post !!
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 12:59:20 AM
I totally agree with you!  :geek:
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 01:04:38 AM
Exactly.
I've actually posted about this before.
A lot of people are being very disrespectful towards the Jackson family.
Do you think Michael would want to read this trash?
 :( Think about it guys. You can get your message across without cussing them out and being totally mean about it.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 01:23:38 AM
AMEN BEC AMEN SISTER!
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finally someone stands up for this wonderful family.
Thank God ! it's about time.
 that the hypocrites are called out.  :evil:
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 03:22:30 AM
Quote from: "loma"
Exactly.
I've actually posted about this before.
A lot of people are being very disrespectful towards the Jackson family.
Do you think Michael would want to read this trash?
 :( Think about it guys. You can get your message across without cussing them out and being totally mean about it.

I agree!, it hurts me to see people bashing about the Jackson family, including michael's fans who do this too! Guys just because Michael didn't had a very good relationship with his family does not mean we have to hate them now does it? Don't you all remember that Michael forgave Joe for what he did to him in the past?... Stop making fun of this family "Make love not war" right :)
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 03:31:35 AM
Very good post and I 100% agree with you,now I wonder exactly how many people who agree with you now will remember this the next time something comes up in another post concerning ANYONE after all none of us should ever be judging someone,ONLY looking for clues in the subject or article.People tend to forget during the heat of the moment and fail to realize what they are really doing so hopefully this reminder will help those that do tend to cut others down to not do so...
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 03:55:27 AM
Thanks for posting! I couldnt have put it better myself
people need to look at the positives in MJ's family because thats what matters
stop bringing up things that he already forgave
and I agree about what you said about race
the world we live in is gross
we need to make that change!
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 09:26:05 AM
I do agree with what you are saying.  However, this is not to bash anyone in his family, but I just don't have much respect for Joe after the BET awards.  The reporter was asking about how the family was doing and all that he could do was promote his record label.  I'm sorry, but if that were me saying that after I had lost my child, I would hope that someone would slap me and tell me to get back to reality.  That is my opinion and only mine.  I don't make anyone's mind up for them and I will never persuade someone to believe my beliefs.  I just know that I was so heartbroken and still in the crying phase when Joe said this on national tv.  I was so angry and so sad when I saw that on tv.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 09:51:41 AM
Great post Bec,just bravo to it, if we love and respect Michael, we must love and respect each member of his family,who are we to judge?im so thankful to Ms Katherine and Mr Joe for giving birth to our Michael and bringing him up in an excellent way.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 10:35:29 AM
Bec:  I love your post and applaud you for taking the time to actually write it.  I, too, get a little angry at the liberties people take with MJ's family: but unlike you, I say nothing.  So, Kudos to you for defending MJ's family.  Let me give an example of how my family operate:  I have an argument with one of my six siblings and I let off steam to my friend about said sibling.  I don't particularly expect or want my friend to then start criticizing and talking derogatorily about my sibling.  The only thing that I want is a friendly, sympathetic ear to sound off in.  You see?  One Love.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 10:40:59 AM
I don't necessarily agree with everything that was stated in the original posting. My opinion is based solely on MIchaels' own words in his interviews. He is the one that stated he was beaten & he is the one who described in details the use of oil & ironing cords to willfully & purposely inflict the greatest amount of pain.

Michael is the one whom stated the beatings were inflicted for the most part to force him to perform & perform perfectly.

While it is true that Michael also respected his father moreso in the latter years, it is equally true that Michael feared his father to the point of  needing to vomit in his adult years. These statements were all made by Michael himself.

Respect & fear sadly can go hand in hand as I myself  was raised in a very similar manner. Yes, it is true that ones' up bringing can make us who we are.

BUT, each individual is IMO born with their own personalities & we as individuals can take our life experiences from our past & learn from them or we can be caught in the web of our past which haunts our future forever.

Michael, as we all know was indeed caught in his past,..a past with no childhood, a past with the fear of his father. This lead to his increased love for the children of the world that were left behind with no love & no hope.

I believe that MIchael was born a kind soul & he would have passed on his love irregardless of his father, but because of his fathers' beliefs, Michael lost his childhood forever.

I want to say that it was Joes' wife that first discovered the kids talents & not Joe, just for the record. Joe did not have to inflict pain in order to get the results he wanted.

Joe IMO is not the one responsible for getting them out of poverty. Michael is the one responsible for that soley due to his ability to sing & dance.  Yes, Joe is the one whom pushed those kids to success, but has it ever occurred to anyone that Michael may have ended up doing it on his own?

Michael is the one whom left the group & Michael is the one responsible for his long term success & not Joe.

Insofar as respect for the family, it is my opinion we need only respect whom we choose. It is Michaels' family & if he chose to forgive them, then it is his choice. It doesn't necessarily have to be ours.

We can love & respect any individual, but it doesn't mean we have to respect that individuals family. It does mean however that we respect that individuals opinions of his family & not judge that individuals because of their family.

I don't & never will condone any person that beats their child into submission. It doesn't mean that at some point in our lives we can't understand why they did it, but it doesn't mean we should accept the behavior.

Many individuals live in poverty & are happier than those that are rich, & many of those individuals do not resort to a life of crime.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 11:12:37 AM
Thanks bec for this post.  I know the other thread was deleted because of all the craziness.  I'm glad you addressed this because so many people make insulting comments about Jermaine, LaToya and his other family members.  People always talk about not judging Michael, but how can you say that and turn around and judge Jermaine, when you don't know him.  We have no idea what he's going through. It really bothers me.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 11:18:33 AM
I dislike Joe Jackson very much. I don't trust him. I know MJ has forgiven this father, to me this proves that his heart is bigger than mine and that I still have to learn and grow. But no one can force me to respect Joe Jackson, just because of his history. I also grew up in poverty, with a single mum on wellfare not being able to look after her children, so I was always outside, on the streets. Hanging out with wrong people. Nowadays I own a company and I'm doing mighty fine.

I don't ask anyone to respect me for that. And no one can demand me to respect Joe Jackson and the other members of the family.

If I am wrong and Michael is indeed dead, I disrespect some family members even more. Especially Jermaine, flying all over the world, making a living of off his brothers death, leaving his children with his old aged mother and telling them to buy stun guns.

@Bec, nothing of what I typed above is meant to disrespect  you. Your post is incredible and even though I don't know you, from this post alone I dare to conclude that your heart is very big and beautiful. Apart from that, you are 100% right.

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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 11:24:35 AM
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I don't necessarily agree with everything that was stated in the original posting. My opinion is based solely on MIchaels' own words in his interviews. He is the one that stated he was beaten & he is the one who described in details the use of oil & ironing cords to willfully & purposely inflict the greatest amount of pain.

Michael is the one whom stated the beatings were inflicted for the most part to force him to perform & perform perfectly.

While it is true that Michael also respected his father moreso in the latter years, it is equally true that Michael feared his father to the point of  needing to vomit in his adult years. These statements were all made by Michael himself.

Respect & fear sadly can go hand in hand as I myself  was raised in a very similar manner. Yes, it is true that ones' up bringing can make us who we are.

BUT, each individual is IMO born with their own personalities & we as individuals can take our life experiences from our past & learn from them or we can be caught in the web of our past which haunts our future forever.




VERY VERY WELL SAID.!!!!!
Michael, as we all know was indeed caught in his past,..a past with no childhood, a past with the fear of his father. This lead to his increased love for the children of the world that were left behind with no love & no hope.

I believe that MIchael was born a kind soul & he would have passed on his love irregardless of his father, but because of his fathers' beliefs, Michael lost his childhood forever.

I want to say that it was Joes' wife that first discovered the kids talents & not Joe, just for the record. Joe did not have to inflict pain in order to get the results he wanted.

Joe IMO is not the one responsible for getting them out of poverty. Michael is the one responsible for that soley due to his ability to sing & dance.  Yes, Joe is the one whom pushed those kids to success, but has it ever occurred to anyone that Michael may have ended up doing it on his own?

Michael is the one whom left the group & Michael is the one responsible for his long term success & not Joe.

Insofar as respect for the family, it is my opinion we need only respect whom we choose. It is Michaels' family & if he chose to forgive them, then it is his choice. It doesn't necessarily have to be ours.

We can love & respect any individual, but it doesn't mean we have to respect that individuals family. It does mean however that we respect that individuals opinions of his family & not judge that individuals because of their family.

I don't & never will condone any person that beats their child into submission. It doesn't mean that at some point in our lives we can't understand why they did it, but it doesn't mean we should accept the behavior.

Many individuals live in poverty & are happier than those that are rich, & many of those individuals do not resort to a life of crime.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 12:01:13 PM
I agree with bec 100%. Thanks for posting.

I also want to say that I do understand why you guys do not view Joe in the best light due to what he put Michael and the whole family through. However, I think bec is not trying to say what Joe did was okay and we should embrace that. I think what she is trying to say (and please correct me if I'm wrong, bec) is that no matter what, we should learn to respect him and his family and one another first and foremost. We should try to be more understanding of each other's life stories. This is what L.O.V.E. is all about. Choosing to be respectful is more powerful than any number of bad terms you throw at Joe or anyone in his family. Besides, we don't know them so why be so judgmental? If Michael can forgive him, why can't you?
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 12:36:43 PM
Quote from: "ER911"
I don't necessarily agree with everything that was stated in the original posting. My opinion is based solely on MIchaels' own words in his interviews. He is the one that stated he was beaten & he is the one who described in details the use of oil & ironing cords to willfully & purposely inflict the greatest amount of pain.

Michael is the one whom stated the beatings were inflicted for the most part to force him to perform & perform perfectly.

While it is true that Michael also respected his father moreso in the latter years, it is equally true that Michael feared his father to the point of  needing to vomit in his adult years. These statements were all made by Michael himself.

Respect & fear sadly can go hand in hand as I myself  was raised in a very similar manner. Yes, it is true that ones' up bringing can make us who we are.

BUT, each individual is IMO born with their own personalities & we as individuals can take our life experiences from our past & learn from them or we can be caught in the web of our past which haunts our future forever.

Michael, as we all know was indeed caught in his past,..a past with no childhood, a past with the fear of his father. This lead to his increased love for the children of the world that were left behind with no love & no hope.

I believe that MIchael was born a kind soul & he would have passed on his love irregardless of his father, but because of his fathers' beliefs, Michael lost his childhood forever.

I want to say that it was Joes' wife that first discovered the kids talents & not Joe, just for the record. Joe did not have to inflict pain in order to get the results he wanted.

Joe IMO is not the one responsible for getting them out of poverty. Michael is the one responsible for that soley due to his ability to sing & dance.  Yes, Joe is the one whom pushed those kids to success, but has it ever occurred to anyone that Michael may have ended up doing it on his own?

Michael is the one whom left the group & Michael is the one responsible for his long term success & not Joe.

Insofar as respect for the family, it is my opinion we need only respect whom we choose. It is Michaels' family & if he chose to forgive them, then it is his choice. It doesn't necessarily have to be ours.

We can love & respect any individual, but it doesn't mean we have to respect that individuals family. It does mean however that we respect that individuals opinions of his family & not judge that individuals because of their family.

I don't & never will condone any person that beats their child into submission. It doesn't mean that at some point in our lives we can't understand why they did it, but it doesn't mean we should accept the behavior.

Many individuals live in poverty & are happier than those that are rich, & many of those individuals do not resort to a life of crime.

I agree with you that what Joe did wasn't necessary and that although he played a role in Michael's success, he wasn't responsible for his success.   Michael took charge of his own career, separate from the Jacksons.  I just think that some people grew up in homes where we were beaten as a form of discipline, so it's seen as almost normal.  People who have experienced something similar to what Joe did, aren't immediately outraged by it because it's not uncommon. I'm not defending him in any way, but I've seen much worse than Joe and that's sad.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 12:46:59 PM
I would agree with this post, but it's quite bold to say that pretty much no one here respects the family. I'm sorry that many African American families still live that way. I'm sorry, it's life. There are other options out there besides music. We get up each day and make the best of what we have. At least they have a roof over their head. Except this post is about the Jackson family. I highly respect them, they have made a complete 360 as to what their lives could have been like. As for Joe, i too based my opinions off of what Michael has said, but he's forgiven him. I do not hate him, i don't even know the man. Without him and without Katherine, he or his brothers wouldn't even be in existence, much less have a music career. Stay strong, keep the love.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 12:54:00 PM
Amen!!! I counldn't have said it better myself. Thank you so much for sharing your concerns with us. I hope people read this and really understand the struggle and how The Jacksons over came that struggle!! It goes deeper than the music.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

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I dont judge...  but respect is earnt.  

You are assuming you know me, and other members...  and our background, our childhoods and our homes.

I understand Michael more than you will ever know because of my own curcumstances...   so i dont need to be told who to respect and why.

I understand what you have written above..  but i also understand Michael when he says he was beaten and ridiculed, and how he was the familys breadwinner for all his life.

Like i said.. respect is earnt.  Its not a right.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 01:05:38 PM
Well said Bec!
I've noticed lately that there has been alot of "bashing" going on here and it is really disturbing to me, when Michael's message is all about LOVE, not HATE. When people insult and bash, Joe or Randy or Jermaine or Dr. Murray, or any of them, they are doing the exact opposite of what Michael is asking us all to do! We can't "judge" them for their shortcomings on "hearsay", we don't know the truth and we won't until we hear it from Michael himself. Bashing Michael's family members is just wrong IMO.

There is so much more that I could say, but I don't want to go off on a tangent...i just wish that more people would concentrate on the LOVE we should be spreading to let Michael know that we get his message. The people who insist on bashing the family is getting us nowhere fast. ALL families have issues, no one is perfect, but what they do or say is their business, not ours!

I'm here to do my part and that part includes trying to be a better person, by being respectful and loving to everyone I meet. I really try everyday to do some good deeds and I take more time each day to try and make a positive change in the way I live and the way I love. It is much easier and more rewarding to love and find the positives in your own daily life then it is to dwell on the negativity and judge the "shortcomings" of others. So instead of bashing the Jackson family, take that valuable time and do something loving for yourself, your family or even a complete stranger and see how good it feels!
Please, lets stop all the bashing and start spreading the LOVE again. Thanks for listening!
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 01:09:38 PM
This is all happening because the truth isnt being told, and people are getting fustrated.

This is the reason.

If everyone just spoke up and told the truth, all this anger and fustration would vanish.
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 01:56:59 PM
THANK YOU!!!!

I'm so tired of people bashing Michael's family.
We don't know them personally and so we don't know their entire relationship and dynamic.
Only what is in the media.
And isn't that what Michael wanted us to avoid - judging him and others based on how they're portrayed in the media?
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 03:22:16 PM
I total agree, we should respect  the Jackson family.  Especially Katherine. The only thing I do not agree I don't respect and which I am strongly against is   Joe Jackson beating Michael when he was a child. Michael was afraid of him. No parent has the right to beat up a child, especially because he doesn't perform to Joe's expectations.  every child needs discipline, I know I am a mother. I remember MJ doing an interview with Oprah at his Neverland Ranch. He said something about his father and he said "Oh no. I am sorry Joe, please do not get angry".. Oprah opened her eyes wide open.. Meaning wow you are afraid of your father..  Even as an adult he was afraid of his father, that is not normal.In your opinion is that ok for a child to be afraid of a parent? Would you be able to live like that?? I know I can't. Also when Mj died on June 25 2009 they interviewed Joe and he was promoting his new business. I am writing this, to make you understand why people do not respect  Joe Jackson, and the family.  I am a humanitarian, I respect everyone, I tried to understand why some people do what they do, and let it be.. My motto is LIVE AND LET LIVE...
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Re: The Jackson family deserves our damn respect.

  • on: March 04, 2010, 03:33:42 PM
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I dont judge...  but respect is earnt.  

You are assuming you know me, and other members...  and our background, our childhoods and our homes.

I understand Michael more than you will ever know because of my own curcumstances...   so i dont need to be told who to respect and why.

I understand what you have written above..  but i also understand Michael when he says he was beaten and ridiculed, and how he was the familys breadwinner for all his life.

Like i said.. respect is earnt.  Its not a right.
I agree 100% with you.
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Michael I love you allways.

 

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