MJ & Jay Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati? Mind Control?

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Okay, so I've been watching all the Jay Z - Illuminati stuff on youtube, which I find really disturbing, we all know he's part of it. (Oh & btw someone is posting videos claiming MJ was in the illuminati in the early 80s or something, which I don't believe) Anyways, Jay Z mentions MJ in his new song "On to the Next One" he says "M.J at summer jam, Obama on the text". So I looked up MJ at summer jam & found that MJ was a "special guest" at Jay Z's Summer Jam concert. He asked the crowd if they wanted to see MJ & of course they did, so Jay Z was like "Michael Jackson better come out from behind the stage" (like commanding him too, weird) & MJ came walking out & stood next to Jay Z. & there's a picture of MJ & Jay Z from that concert. I was just wondering what the heck MJ was doing at Jay Z's concert, when Jay Z & his music represent the illuminati & Jay Z disses God all the time. I thought MJ was against all that & feared it? & the way MJ looks in the picture...creepy, look at his eyes, he just doesn't look like himself.  :shock: Here's the link to the article I found about it.  http://newsroom.mtv.com/2009/06/26/phot ... ith-jay-z/


Michael Jackson's Encounter With Jay-Z At Summer Jam

Posted 6/26/09 3:57 pm ET by MTV News in Music

By Walik Goshorn

I remember being on my way to Summer Jam in 2001 in a car filled with a bunch of friends and them going back and forth about Michael Jackson coming to Summer Jam. I was actually half asleep when this was all going on, but when I heard the talk about MJ I immediately woke up. Being a photographer — and also having never met Michael Jackson — I was sure the possibility of something like this happening would change my life forever.

The day rolled on and I spent the afternoon taking pictures onstage and backstage, trying my best to cover the entire show from as many different angles as possible. By the time Jay-Z hit the stage, the rumors about Michael making an appearance had escalated into Jay-Z bringing Michael out to the stage for part of his performance. In my mind I realize these can't just be rumors anymore. This is Jay, and if Jay said it was going to happen, then it was going to happen.

At this point I was onstage, not entirely sure where to stand because I did't know where he was going to come from, and I wanted to be sure I captured this moment. Just before Jay launched into "Izzo" (which happens to sample the Jackson Five's "I Want You Back"), he asked the crowd if they want to see Michael Jackson. Of course, Summer Jam wanted that.

So then Jay said, "Michael Jackson better come from behind that stage." After a moment, MJ appeared from took his spot right next to Jay-Z. I jumped directly in front of the two of them and just started snapping as many photos as I could. The crowd went absolutely crazy. Jay introduced MJ to NY and then busted into his first single off The Blueprint. It was a moment in my life that will never be forgotten.

Here's the link to the pic only: http://newsroom.mtv.com/wp-content/uplo ... 97x300.jpg
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 06:26:57 PM
Weird picture indeed. He looks sleepy or groggy. Or maybe he was just blinking when the picture was taken. I don't know what to think of it.
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 06:33:36 PM
Wow, great find.

It's weird because I was just thinking about Jay Z. He has a lot of lyrics about the illuminati. And, he's married to Beyonce who we know shows alot of illuminati symbolism in her music and videos.

What if it's all connected somehow?

I'm thinking back to Beyonce's performance at the Grammy's. It was very "Michael-like", as we've pointed out on a different thread. The outfits, the dancing style, and she crabbed her crouch. She also dedicated a performance of her song "halo" to Michael.

Now, I was surprised to hear that Beyonce turned down an offer to be apart of the We Are The World remake. Did anyone else find that odd? Michael was her biggest inspiration, and I just felt it was strange that she didn't want to be apart of it.

What if being married to Jay Z is some kind of illuminati set up? Jay Z is a very powerful person in the music industry. I might even go as far as saying that's all he has going for him. I never thought he was "good enough" for someone as sweet as Beyonce. Not judging him, I don't know him, I'm just saying it's a feeling I've always had.

And what if she wasn't allowed to be apart of WATW? That would make sense...

Another little sidenote, I am friends with one of Beyonce's cousins. He was posting weird things on facebook while the Grammy's were on. He said something like "notice how Beyonce and Jay Z AREN'T sitting together...." , as if he was hinting that she wasn't happy with him or something (and that he clearly didn't approve of the relationship, but I don't know why) And then later in the show they were sitting together and he called it a "ploy".

It just all seems to be connected. Beyonce could very well be under some kind of mind control, and Jay Z could be the main reason. I agree that Michael doesn't look like himself in that picture. Maybe he didn't have a choice, maybe it all had to do with mind control.

This is all so interesting, scary, and exciting at the same time.
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 06:39:33 PM
PS - you should consider changing the name of this post if possible so maybe more people will read it. I think it's important, I hadn't heard about it before your post :)
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 06:49:42 PM
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Wow, great find.

It's weird because I was just thinking about Jay Z. He has a lot of lyrics about the illuminati. And, he's married to Beyonce who we know shows alot of illuminati symbolism in her music and videos.

What if it's all connected somehow?

I'm thinking back to Beyonce's performance at the Grammy's. It was very "Michael-like", as we've pointed out on a different thread. The outfits, the dancing style, and she crabbed her crouch. She also dedicated a performance of her song "halo" to Michael.

Now, I was surprised to hear that Beyonce turned down an offer to be apart of the We Are The World remake. Did anyone else find that odd? Michael was her biggest inspiration, and I just felt it was strange that she didn't want to be apart of it.

What if being married to Jay Z is some kind of illuminati set up? Jay Z is a very powerful person in the music industry. I might even go as far as saying that's all he has going for him. I never thought he was "good enough" for someone as sweet as Beyonce. Not judging him, I don't know him, I'm just saying it's a feeling I've always had.

And what if she wasn't allowed to be apart of WATW? That would make sense...

Another little sidenote, I am friends with one of Beyonce's cousins. He was posting weird things on facebook while the Grammy's were on. He said something like "notice how Beyonce and Jay Z AREN'T sitting together...." , as if he was hinting that she wasn't happy with him or something (and that he clearly didn't approve of the relationship, but I don't know why) And then later in the show they were sitting together and he called it a "ploy".

It just all seems to be connected. Beyonce could very well be under some kind of mind control, and Jay Z could be the main reason. I agree that Michael doesn't look like himself in that picture. Maybe he didn't have a choice, maybe it all had to do with mind control.

This is all so interesting, scary, and exciting at the same time.

I definitely think Beyonce is being controlled by Jay Z somehow. I remember back in the day before she was with Jay Z, she thanked God & was in church themed movies, etc. Then she got with Jay Z & slowly started changing. I watched a video about the hidden meanings behind her Crazy in Love video, the first one she did with Jay Z & where she says Sasha Fierce was "born", it was crazy, the title of the song even takes a whole new meaning now. It seems like once he had her he started "creating" Sasha Fierce, just like he became Hova. It's so weird. Now that they're married, all of her videos have occult themes & symbolism in them, even her song Sweet Dreams is about mind control, same with Rihanna's Disturbia. It seems like because Jay Z is such a huge figure in the music industry, he is able to control all of his artists or people who are connected to him. I mean look at Rihanna, once she joined his label, he changed her from good to bad.  Now a lot of her songs & videos have occult themes & symbolism as well. Nas is close to Jay Z & he even flipped & started making occult themed music just like Jay Z, Kanye too. It's scary, some people even say Chris Brown too & Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga seems to show that she is being controlled all the time. I definitely believe Jay Z is controlling some of these people. I also think maybe MJ was forced to go be a guest at Jay Z's concert. It's scary, maybe the illuminati was after him & even Tupac feared them. & Beyonce could be afraid or aware that she is being controlled but it's too late, Jay Z has control over her & he trapped her by marrying her. It's really creepy to me that all of this is going on. It's being rumored that Swizz Beats is involved in all of this occult stuff with Jay Z & people are talking about what happened with Beyonce, happening to Alicia Keys, who is engaged to Swizz Beats, he could be trapping her like Jay Z did to Beyonce by marrying her. Beyonce has said it many times that MJ is her biggest influence & that she wouldn't be anything that she is today without his influence, she obviously loves & admires him, she does little tributes to him in her performance but it is weird that she, Jay Z & Rihanna didn't take part in the We Are The World remake. It's as if they were told not to. Could it be because MJ was against the illuminati & aware of it in the music industry or because the message of the song is help the world? I don't know but it's weird, I'm honestly surprised that Kanye was there, he is influenced a lot by Jay Z. Was Alicia Keys in the remake? If not, I'm not surprised. It seems like they are trying to get to her now. Beyonce collaborated with her, Jay Z did, Swizz Beats works with Jay Z a lot, he's engaged to Alicia. Beyonce collaborated with Lady Gaga twice, Jay Z might work with her soon. I don't know what to think anymore, I never knew about all of this stuff, but now that I do it's crazy.  :o I hope Michael wasn't being controlled but it is very possible, it seems to be everywhere now.  :?
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 06:51:20 PM
Oh sorry, what should I change it to?
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 06:58:42 PM
If you look at the picture correctly, he was holding on to Jay Z's arm. I feel MJ seemed uncomfortable, and maybe not feeling too well.. Who knows!
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 07:04:51 PM
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If you look at the picture correctly, he was holding on to Jay Z's arm. I feel MJ seemed uncomfortable, and maybe not feeling too well.. Who knows!

Jay Z looks like he's holding MJ's hand & his expression is weird too. MJ looks dazed, it's strange & the way they say Jay Z "summoned" Michael out onto the stage that's weird too. He could have just said "Michael come out" but no he says "Michael Jackson better come out from behind that stage". & Michael just comes walking out on command & stands next to Jay, for what? It's not like he was performing with him. Weird, weird, weird.
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 07:07:16 PM
All I can say is that I have noticed that poor Michael has not looked well in many of his recent photos----groggy, weak, unhappy. By no means is he looking enthusiastic or alive, if you know what I mean. It really pains me and I wish we could discover the truth to it all soon.  Was the man ill, was he dying?????Or, was he being drugged?????
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 07:22:09 PM
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All I can say is that I have noticed that poor Michael has not looked well in many of his recent photos----groggy, weak, unhappy. By no means is he looking enthusiastic or alive, if you know what I mean. It really pains me and I wish we could discover the truth to it all soon.  Was the man ill, was he dying?????Or, was he being drugged?????

So true. I've really started to worry about where he is if he is alive, why he left? what has been happening to him & if he is dead, what killed him or who???  :?

 I also feel bad about Beyonce, Rihanna & Lady Gaga if they are being controlled, I mean seriously, they all used to be "good" * completely different than they are now. No they have all turned "bad" & seem to be used as puppets. I've always been a fan of Alicia Keys, I would hate to see the same thing happen to her. Jay Z is no doubt in my mind, a part of the illuminati. Just goes to show how blinded we've all been to the things that are happening. People, like myself, are just now noticing the crazy stuff going on when it's out in the open, it's scary to think about what's happening behind the scenes. I hope Michael wasn't being controlled, but that would explain the drugs... :(
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 09:01:34 PM
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Oh sorry, what should I change it to?

MJ with Jay-Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati?
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 09:05:46 PM
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Weird picture indeed. He looks sleepy or groggy. Or maybe he was just blinking when the picture was taken. I don't know what to think of it.

Or hypnotized or under control?
I wonder that the reason why, or one of the reasons why of IT,
the THREAT, could be that MJ could hardly xcape from their control.
Still one of the possibilities to me.
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 11:05:04 PM
That pic looks like the pic with Uri like he was being controlled, Jay-z can go to hell and all those devil worshipers why sell your soul for money I feel so sorry for Beyonce it's obvious she doesn't love him she should of been with Michael he really liked her lol, think about this though when Michael comes back and if he decides to expose these evil people won't that make him a bigger target the illuminati have a lot of power who will bring them to justice?
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 03, 2010, 11:24:45 PM
He does look like he's in a daze of some sort.  I'm not sure if he was hypnotized though... maybe he was tired.  But I do agree that there something overwhelmingly sinister about Jay-Z, it's becoming to too obvious to ignore it.
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 04, 2010, 02:30:11 AM
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That pic looks like the pic with Uri like he was being controlled, Jay-z can go to hell and all those devil worshipers why sell your soul for money I feel so sorry for Beyonce it's obvious she doesn't love him she should of been with Michael he really liked her lol, think about this though when Michael comes back and if he decides to expose these evil people won't that make him a bigger target the illuminati have a lot of power who will bring them to justice?

I was just going to say that the pic reminds me of his pics with Uri!! oh sweetest MJ!!
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 04, 2010, 03:55:01 AM
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Oh sorry, what should I change it to?

MJ with Jay-Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati?
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Okay, changed it. Thanks!  :D
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 04, 2010, 04:01:45 AM
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That pic looks like the pic with Uri like he was being controlled, Jay-z can go to hell and all those devil worshipers why sell your soul for money I feel so sorry for Beyonce it's obvious she doesn't love him she should of been with Michael he really liked her lol, think about this though when Michael comes back and if he decides to expose these evil people won't that make him a bigger target the illuminati have a lot of power who will bring them to justice?


I don't think Beyonce had a clue what she was getting herself into. He was able to charm her enough to get her to fall for him & now she's being controlled. He helped her create her alter ego "Sasha Fierce" & that's the person she becomes when she's in the spotlight, onstage or in videos. Same with Jay Z's only female on his label, Rihanna, he created her bad girl image, that's who she is on stage & in videos. It's sad. They were both once, sweet women who are now being manipulated. Idk where Lady Gaga fits in, if she's one of their puppets or someone trying to warn people about how she's being controlled? I don't get her. I feel so bad when I see this pic of Michael because I've read some things people have to say in regards to Michael's fear of the illuminati & now that I'm realizing things that are out there, I really feel that he was having to deal with some of this "controlling". I hope not, but it really does make me wonder & kind of scares me.  :? I don't know much info about Uri Geller, can someone inform me about him? I know his name but I'm not sure about his & Michael's relationship & what kind of person he was. Was he one of the many shady characters surrounding Michael?
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 04, 2010, 04:02:40 AM
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Weird picture indeed. He looks sleepy or groggy. Or maybe he was just blinking when the picture was taken. I don't know what to think of it.

Or hypnotized or under control?
I wonder that the reason why, or one of the reasons why of IT,
the THREAT, could be that MJ could hardly xcape from their control.
Still one of the possibilities to me.

I wonder that too...
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 04, 2010, 04:10:59 AM
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That pic looks like the pic with Uri like he was being controlled, Jay-z can go to hell and all those devil worshipers why sell your soul for money I feel so sorry for Beyonce it's obvious she doesn't love him she should of been with Michael he really liked her lol, think about this though when Michael comes back and if he decides to expose these evil people won't that make him a bigger target the illuminati have a lot of power who will bring them to justice?

I worry about that too, if he was in fact being threatened by the illuminati or they were trying to control him but he escaped...that would most likely put him in danger to come back, don't you think? I really do feel that if he is alive & hiding, he was in danger or even if he isn't hiding that something shady was going on & he was scared. I'm afraid it could be the illuminati or shady people were just after him for money or something else. I hope he's alive & that he is okay & that I'm freaking myself out over nothing. & as for Beyonce, it seems more like he hooked her & is controlling her now, it's not a normal loving relationship. I mean he freaked when she said "to my husband, i love you" at the awards. Why? & in his new song after he mentions MJ at Summer Jam, he says Obama on the text...does that mean he is in contact with Pres. Obama? I hope not! People have been making videos on youtube about Obama & illuminati stuff, which I think is nonsense but, I find it weird that he's trying to get in tight with the President. & I think he or whoever he's in this with wanted to use MJ because he is such a huge icon. Maybe that's the reason he was there with Jay Z, I don't see why else he was there? Craziness.
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 04, 2010, 04:55:53 PM
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If you look at the picture correctly, he was holding on to Jay Z's arm. I feel MJ seemed uncomfortable, and maybe not feeling too well.. Who knows!

Jay Z looks like he's holding MJ's hand & his expression is weird too. MJ looks dazed, it's strange & the way they say Jay Z "summoned" Michael out onto the stage that's weird too. He could have just said "Michael come out" but no he says "Michael Jackson better come out from behind that stage". & Michael just comes walking out on command & stands next to Jay, for what? It's not like he was performing with him. Weird, weird, weird.

awwh hell no! No one should talk to Michael like that.. its like  he was commanding him.

I dont like this....  :?
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Re: Umm...

  • on: March 04, 2010, 05:01:28 PM
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That pic looks like the pic with Uri like he was being controlled, Jay-z can go to hell and all those devil worshipers why sell your soul for money I feel so sorry for Beyonce it's obvious she doesn't love him she should of been with Michael he really liked her lol, think about this though when Michael comes back and if he decides to expose these evil people won't that make him a bigger target the illuminati have a lot of power who will bring them to justice?

I was just going to say that the pic reminds me of his pics with Uri!! oh sweetest MJ!!

I was about to say the same thing about Uri 'Evil' Geller. Michael always looked hypnotized when he was with him. Same thing with Michael surrounded by that disgusting Jay Z.
TBH, I don't feel sorry for Beyonce. I think she's very well aware of everything. She seems happy with her 'hubby'.
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To me, Michael does looked drugged or under mind control.  This saddens me a great deal.
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He does look kinda strange probably just tired lools and here's the footage for those who wanted to see :D Notice what sign those guys representing :shock: Well it's nothing new for me since i see it everyday on these streets ;)  lools but notice where have we seen that from :P ???
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You never know, maybe Beyonce does know but I don't think that fact that she "seems happy" with him means that she is & I can't say that's she's not. But a lot of wives married to controlling husbands "seem happy".
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I find it weird this short appearance. I mean Michael came just to show up ? Weird. He is not even a friend of Jay Z to give him support. It's like Michael had no choice but to come. This idea just makes me crazy.
I don't know if we can figure this out with the photo sometimes photos can mislead us. This is a snapshot of a micro second. I have photos of myself where I look...hmmm drunk but I never drink alcohol...
Maybe Michael didn't want to arouse suspicions regarding his future plans and accepted to pose with an illuminati knowing secretly in his heart that he will soon escape from their hands and expose them...I hope so because in 2001 Michael was conscious about what was going on in the music industry I don't think that they still controlled him at that time.

p.s.: Obama is not President by fortune. If he obtained the job it's because he accepted certain rules and if he doesn't follow the rules..you know how they solve problems...JFK is an example so don't count too much on Obama.
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I find it weird this short appearance. I mean Michael came just to show up ? Weird. He is not even a friend of Jay Z to give him support. It's like Michael had no choice but to come. This idea just makes me crazy.
I don't know if we can figure this out with the photo sometimes photos can mislead us. This is a snapshot of a micro second. I have photos of myself where I look...hmmm drunk but I never drink alcohol...
Maybe Michael didn't want to arouse suspicions regarding his future plans and accepted to pose with an illuminati knowing secretly in his heart that he will soon escape from their hands and expose them...I hope so because in 2001 Michael was conscious about what was going on in the music industry I don't think that they still controlled him at that time.

p.s.: Obama is not President by fortune. If he obtained the job it's because he accepted certain rules and if he doesn't follow the rules..you know how they solve problems...JFK is an example so don't count too much on Obama.

But I like Obama, he & my aunt know each other. & she is good friends with his sister. But I get what you're saying, you're probably right - the government is definitely corrupted  :roll:
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He does look kinda strange probably just tired lools and here's the footage for those who wanted to see :D Notice what sign those guys representing :shock: Well it's nothing new for me since i see it everyday on these streets ;)  lools but notice where have we seen that from :P ???
[youtube:cb9c4duz]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsd3Em6icc4[/youtube:cb9c4duz]

Illuminati pyramide symbol, and Jay-z looks like if he's in trance or under hypnosis.
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For the first time in my life Michael looked nervous on stage you can tell something is wrong about this whole thing
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Michael knocking out the media one day at a time lool

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during that time they were suppose to work together on they were going to be on each others albums

and like i said in the other topic jay z meantions him 3 times on his album which is kinda weird to me

and im still trying to figure out what he means by that line and the connect to oprah, who is talking about first and obama and mj..
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It's funny that they think he died and now all of a sudden all of these celebs are coming out saying they love MJ where were you when he needed you the most during those horrible trials? I hate fake people they like you when your on top but once you have some problems they will turn your back on you im guessing Mike had to go through this a lot :(
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Michael knocking out the media one day at a time lool

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during that time they were suppose to work together on they were going to be on each others albums

and like i said in the other topic jay z meantions him 3 times on his album which is kinda weird to me

and im still trying to figure out what he means by that line and the connect to oprah, who is talking about first and obama and mj..

Oprah interviewed him on her show a couple months ago. I watched that one, she went to the "hood" he grew up in, that's what he means by the line is his song. The MJ line in his song, refers to the summer jam concert that I am referring to, where Michael made an appearance. IDK about the Obama one though? He & Beyonce were just at the White House or something. Maybe he & Obama communicate or aree friends? IDK.
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during that time they were suppose to work together on they were going to be on each others albums

and like i said in the other topic jay z meantions him 3 times on his album which is kinda weird to me

and im still trying to figure out what he means by that line and the connect to oprah, who is talking about first and obama and mj..

Oprah interviewed him on her show a couple months ago. I watched that one, she went to the "hood" he grew up in, that's what he means by the line is his song. The MJ line in his song, refers to the summer jam concert that I am referring to, where Michael made an appearance. IDK about the Obama one though? He & Beyonce were just at the White House or something. Maybe he & Obama communicate or aree friends? IDK.

lol i know what he is saying literally but i dont understand is what is the purpose of saying that in the song? and why meantion them 3 together
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during that time they were suppose to work together on they were going to be on each others albums

and like i said in the other topic jay z meantions him 3 times on his album which is kinda weird to me

and im still trying to figure out what he means by that line and the connect to oprah, who is talking about first and obama and mj..

Oprah interviewed him on her show a couple months ago. I watched that one, she went to the "hood" he grew up in, that's what he means by the line is his song. The MJ line in his song, refers to the summer jam concert that I am referring to, where Michael made an appearance. IDK about the Obama one though? He & Beyonce were just at the White House or something. Maybe he & Obama communicate or aree friends? IDK.

lol i know what he is saying literally but i dont understand is what is the purpose of saying that in the song? and why meantion them 3 together


Oh lol IDK what the point was. Maybe because he was "bragging" about how successful he is in the song, he was bragging about knowing these people & hanging out with them? Other than that, I have no idea. They are all huge figures in society : the president, the king of pop & the richest woman? Maybe he thinks of himself that way!  (yeah right) :lol: He is the biggest rapper...or maybe there's an "illuminati" type explanation but I wouldn't know that one.
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Re: MJ & Jay Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati? Mind Control?

  • on: September 05, 2010, 11:04:20 PM
Hmm thats very weird... But I dont know if Jay Z had so much influence back in 2001... I dont remember actually
I know that in the 90s he wasnt famous , it was more Tupac , Pdiddy etc .. But yeah thats creepy ..Or maybe MJ didn't know that about Jay Z , I know that he liked beyonce back then so maybe he just went to Jay Z 's concert because he liked beyonce lol...


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Re: MJ & Jay Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati? Mind Control?

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He does look kinda strange probably just tired lools and here's the footage for those who wanted to see :D Notice what sign those guys representing :shock: Well it's nothing new for me since i see it everyday on these streets ;)  lools but notice where have we seen that from :P ???
[youtube:3rfk503e]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsd3Em6icc4[/youtube:3rfk503e]

Illuminati pyramide symbol, and Jay-z looks like if he's in trance or under hypnosis.
Yea weird Michael has that same look :shock:
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Re: MJ & Jay Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati? Mind Control?

  • on: September 06, 2010, 07:31:25 PM
I don't know if we should look too much into MJ's expression in that one photo... As Sarahli said, that's a "snapshot of a micro second" and it could simply be that MJ was tired or blinking, or looking down because he didn't want to be acknowledged - which is actually the overwhelming impression I get.  Have you noticed that MJ is wearing a regular, all-black outfit?  It seems to me that he was trying to be inconspicuous, which could explain (1) his outfit; (2) standing "behind the stage"; (3) being embarrassed/uncomfortable when he had to show himself.  

Also, I don't think MJ was commanded to be there... I actually am inclined to think he was there to observe/study Jay-Z (maybe back in 2001 it wasn't so clear he was on the Illuminati side and MJ wanted to "feel him out"?).  The sense I get is that Jay-Z did NOT invite MJ there, and may not even have been aware (for a while) of his presence... It's as if someone tipped off Jay-Z that MJ was there and Jay-Z, happy to hear and to associate himself with Michael, said "Michael Jackson had better come out..."

Of course, I could be wrong.  The above is just my impression, based on the short video posted here...

@ misha86: Did Jay-Z and MJ really work together?!  I've never heard of this...
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Re: MJ & Jay Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati? Mind Control?

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I don't know if we should look too much into MJ's expression in that one photo... As Sarahli said, that's a "snapshot of a micro second" and it could simply be that MJ was tired or blinking, or looking down because he didn't want to be acknowledged - which is actually the overwhelming impression I get.  Have you noticed that MJ is wearing a regular, all-black outfit?  It seems to me that he was trying to be inconspicuous, which could explain (1) his outfit; (2) standing "behind the stage"; (3) being embarrassed/uncomfortable when he had to show himself.  

Also, I don't think MJ was commanded to be there... I actually am inclined to think he was there to observe/study Jay-Z (maybe back in 2001 it wasn't so clear he was on the Illuminati side and MJ wanted to "feel him out"?).  The sense I get is that Jay-Z did NOT invite MJ there, and may not even have been aware (for a while) of his presence... It's as if someone tipped off Jay-Z that MJ was there and Jay-Z, happy to hear and to associate himself with Michael, said "Michael Jackson had better come out..."

Of course, I could be wrong.  The above is just my impression, based on the short video posted here...

@ misha86: Did Jay-Z and MJ really work together?!  I've never heard of this...
What did MJ say when he came out? I could not quite make out what he said., Thanks :?
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Re: MJ & Jay Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati? Mind Control?

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@ mjboogie: I didn't understand what Michael said either... It just seemed to me, based on his body language, that he didn't want to "come out".
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Re: MJ & Jay Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati? Mind Control?

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I don't know what to think about this, but look at Jay z's face, his face is way worse. He keeps staring at like... nowhere? it's odd,indeed. And, to be honest, i don't really like Beyonce as an artist, and i can picture her as being an illuminati puppet. If she chose to marry him, it was her choice, i don't think anyone forced her to do that. I don't really believe in these mind control things. I do believe in the power that people who owns media conglomerates(you could also call them "illuminati") can have upon people by manipulating information.
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Re: MJ & Jay Z at Summer Jam - Illuminati? Mind Control?

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He does look kinda strange probably just tired lools and here's the footage for those who wanted to see :D Notice what sign those guys representing :shock: Well it's nothing new for me since i see it everyday on these streets ;)  lools but notice where have we seen that from :P ???
[youtube:2nld3fv4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsd3Em6icc4[/youtube:2nld3fv4]

Illuminati pyramide symbol, and Jay-z looks like if he's in trance or under hypnosis.
Yea weird Michael has that same look :shock:

Mike looks type good to me right there LOL

MIke's album was coming out 2001 so he was probably promoting his album Invincible and JayZ was promoting himself LOL

I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE MY UNCLE RALPH (not really my uncle but to me he is LOL) DOING THE VIDEO HOSTING !!!

and in case you didn't know, Ralph McDaniels gave the word "shoutout" its meaning as a common thing to do to show love or recognition... I also discovered that MJ may have said it first "GIVE A SHOUTOUT ALL YOU WANT TO, CAUSE THERE AIN'T NO SIN IN FOLKS ALL GETTING LOUD" -OFF THE WALL  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :D  :D  :)  :)

and JZ need to stop acting like that to Good Ol' Uncle Ralph, cause he was the first person to show his very first video "back in the days" days LOL acting like he couldn't talk to him knowin he probably begged to get his video shown on Video Music Box late 80's LOL
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