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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 07:52:06 PM
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All is Michael. No doubts.. Everyone change.. Some changes more than others.

I can't believe why you are in denial about this.... :?

I can't believe you're in denial of not thinking it's MJ. People are comparing pictures 5+ years apart, pictures that are photoshopped, pictures of him with facial hair and without and pictures of him with and without dark make-up accenting it. Not to mention Kleine was injecting different parts of his face with fillers and it wasn't a secret.
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 08:24:02 PM
The teeth don't lie. The cleft could of been redone. The nose is unpredictable b/c there is some moldable stuff shaping it. ( that's why it always looks different) Look for the scar and the teeth. To me it's lighting on some of those.
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 08:52:42 PM
Last pic so obviously not Michael Jackson. SO obviously. Come on. Come ONNNNNNNNN.
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 09:33:28 PM
*Mo*, You say that 02 guy was not MJ but how do you account for the voice. It was MJ's voice, delivery and accent. Was the imposter lip synching?
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 09:36:47 PM
Also check the foreheads of the pics.. some foreheads are narrow and some are wider.. The last picture forhead is narrower, and also the cleft is really wide..
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
I've always wondered about cleft chins and why one would want to get one. They are actually caused by a failure of the jawbone to completely fuse together at the center point. This is according to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 10:29:17 PM
They are all Michael. Same teeth. I really don't think that there was an impostor at the O2, and positive at on the TII.
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 10:47:27 PM
The cleft is a good clue but here are others. Eyebrows...if you can see them as they are tatooed. They look different than natural eyebrows.Hairline is also tatooed. Hands..his palm area is very large and he has long fingers. Nails are discolored... this is a dead giveaway as they will not ever be not discolored. In later photos where he is wearing less makeup you can see the scar on his cheek from his childhood. Someone posted a photo on the other thread of "Michael "taken from the side and there was a tooth missing. Not MJ! :roll: And his neck is starting to show his age.(Unfortunately I know this from experience) You can not cover that up with makeup.
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 11:03:52 PM
If someone goes through the trouble of looking exactly like someone else, they can have surgery to change the nose, the chin, and yes even the teeth, its just a matter of caps and other cosmetic dental work.
The chin is different on the O2 guy for sure. It's not an angle or a shadow. Very interesting
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 11:20:33 PM
The last pic, #15 is not Michael... Most of us have agreed on that fact anyway, I always thought the cleft was a bit strange, but still love M.J. not matter.
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 11:20:44 PM
Sometimes it isn't "denial" but just carefully balanced processing of information. Just as MJ always said, not to believe everything you read...I am sure that goes the same with not being convinced regarding something without questioning, again and again, and sifting all possibilities. I am a believer of MJ being alive. But that doesn't mean I automatically believe certain photos are not of him, and of an imposter.
Reason I say this is because I myself have photos of friends, family, even myself, taken at different times of the year, and if I were to pin point every little difference that I see in the photos, and use them to debate that not all the photos were of the original person, then it would be endless. My face has taken on seemingly different measures in different areas, depending on the angle in which I was posing, or the angle at which the camera was at when taking the photo - if I retained more water/fluid in my system at that time or if I had lost a few pounds at that time - it all makes a difference sometimes in the way you get 'caught' by film/camera/lighting. I did look at MJ's teeth carefully in the pics. The teeth are all the same in size, shape, distance, angle, coloration, tone/density etc..
One thing that does phase me is the width of his jawline. In the O2 pics, his jawline is sharper and narrower than the other pics. The other pics, it is wider, more masculine in a sort.
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 11:27:50 PM
photo #15...well when i saw this guy in TII i said he does not look like MJ to me...
his chin looks different...
also the nose of the 02 guy...the lighter photo  has a thinner nose..where as the
darker pic has a more squared nose...maybe it's MJ. lighter one norm..and the darker
with a mask or a pound of pancake make-up..

also the hair over the Ray Ban signature is thinner (more forehead showing) than
on the darker photo..
then the chin on the lighter photo is wider than the darker pic..also the smile/jaw
line is deeper in  the lighter photo...idk..jmo

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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 27, 2010, 11:58:11 PM
Oh, yes! The cleft could be a good  guide mark in analysing the Michael's different appearances . I think the real Michael had a more discreet cleft, a nice one not looking like an 'accident'.For me there are 2 guide marks : the cleft and the little scar on his left cheek where he had a mole.
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 28, 2010, 12:44:13 AM
Here are some more CLEFT transformations.... :roll:

  Mucho cleft

 Mild Cleft

 Little Cleft and does not look like Mike


Cleft is there and prominent

 Looks most like TII cleft.  

Hey - the last picture is the court pic. MJ was under LOTS of stress. Stress makes you either gain weight or loose weight. In his case - he lost weight. His face got thinner. Could be the same case with the TII situation. Stress......
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Re: Cleftwatch! The truth is in the cleft!
February 28, 2010, 02:24:37 AM
oh my, now you all got me confused again.  #14 and #15 look ages apart.  #15 looks too young compared to 14, but we saw him choreographing TDCAU, right? where he was raising a leg at a time.  and if we say no one moves like MJ, then that guy has got to be him.

as for O2, i still don't believe that was him.  an OPUS owner also confirmed there was not a single photo of the O2 guy there, which to me is significant because that was supposed to be his last major public appearance.  we read that he was involved in the making of the OPUS, so the pictures were intentionally NOT selected for inclusion.
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