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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 04, 2010, 10:43:43 PM
You wrapped that up and put a bow on it. I have been trying to do so for some time but didn't. I believe in giving credit where credit is due. Damn..you're good! :lol:

Allow me to add...she saw the potential in him and defnitely wanted "first dibs".  

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I suspect that after The Wiz wrapped up, THAT'S when the "shift" in their relationship may have happened (if not, DURING).  She planted the seed, by getting him to feel dependant on her (given their history).  Then, used his naivety to her advantage.  

I'm not meaning to be insensitive. I DO think that she cared for him....to an extent, but perhaps, viewed MJ as a challenge as he got older.   When the reality of the situation (his falling for her) became too much for her to deal with, she checked out (emotionally) and left him "holding the bag."   I'm thinking that, after everything he went through in youth, he wanted a chance at NORMALCY and hoped that she could provide that.  She "knew" him better than probably ANYONE.  They spent a LOT of time together (even more-so, doing The Wiz.).  It's a proven "fact" that proximity is a major factor in attraction (hence, prevalence of OFFICE "affairs").

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# Proximity

The closer two people live to each other the more likely it is for them to like one another. Research has shown that the best single predictor of whether two people are friends is how far apart they live. This idea leads into the next one.
(self-explanatory)

# Familiarity

One of the major reasons proximity creates liking is that it increases familiarity. Generally speaking, the more a person interacts with another person, the more attraction builds between them.
(Years of getting to "know" each other, learning each others HABITS, etc)

# Similarity

This idea does not say that soccer players will marry soccer players. Instead, it makes claims that those interested in sports are attracted to those interested in sports. Statistics show that people who pair off do so according to similarities in race, age, religion, education, physical characteristics, and other general characteristics.

They're BOTH "Celebrities"..... understand Show Business)




She was his last attempt at finding LOVE, TRUST and SECURITY (in his mind) and when she "rejected" him....it was like a DAGGER to the heart.

In my opinion..... I think that his androgyny could have been linked to HIS feelings of (PERCEIVED) "inadequacy."  IE...he didn't feel 100% confident in his manliness (whatever THAT means).  However, when he performs ONSTAGE, he becomes another person.  He's able to convey CONFIDANCE, SENSUALITY, etc...In other words, he's "FREE" to be who he is!

I really think that his onstage persona IS who MJ IS. You can't "fake" the expressiveness, magnetism that he obviously HAS onstage.  He didn't have to "try", it just can naturally, like a weight being "lifted" off of him.  HE was in "control".

If you watch the making of the "Ghosts" video, WATCH the part where he's transformed into The Mayor and he's joking around with the person who was there.   It's AMAZING and ironic....  he feels able to be "himself", while disguised as someone else.  Watch his body language and the way he speaks, he is not guarded, cautious or anything.  He's joking around and seems very comfortable in his own skin (oxymoron).  ;)  In THAT context.

Listen to how his voice deepens , also pay attn. to WHAT HE'S SAYING starting at 6:40 - 7:00
[youtube:1gih72pg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu-_V3d2I3Q[/youtube:1gih72pg]


I said all of that, to say that....
Diana Ross played a major part in who MJ, became.

Sorry, this has turned into  "The Psychology of Michael Jackson" ......dissertation. :D
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 04, 2010, 11:06:28 PM
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Allow me to add...she saw the potential in him and defnitely wanted "first dibs".  

 :lol:  :lol:
I agree, wholeheartedly!  I'll give her a "reprieve" on THAT factor, 'cause I DAMN SURE would've thought the same thing!

 Only difference would've been that afterwards....
 I would've SCOOPED his ass up, married him, MOVED out of the U.S. and had a "gang" of kids!


Furthermore, she'd have to have a "screw" loose to NOT get with him, considering the SCALE of his "equipment."  

Maybe she did'nt "GET IT", after all....... :lol: :lol:
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 05, 2010, 12:20:20 AM
MSMJFANFOREVER  -- I love that siggy pic!
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 05, 2010, 06:29:15 AM
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WOW! That is too much to take in! I've never had anyone tell me what to do like that or tell me what I am allowed to say or not to say. I'm sorry, but Michael Jackson isn't your sweet little church boy. All you need to see is the file from the trial to see his list of Porn magazines. All of them he said were his with his fingerprints on them, and the porn sites he was registered for...LOL! As for Dianna Ross being the saint that you think she is...I guess that is why she had an affair with Barry Gordy and had his LOVE CHILD while she was married....because she is a saint and never slept around. There is a recurring theme with some of his songs and I am just calling them as I see them. You want to pretend MJ is a choir boy and an angel...go right ahead, but I believe him to be more on the NORMAL side of humanity... and as a free person with a brain of my own, I have every right to post what I see without someone telling me not to. Maybe you should go watch some concert footage of MJ practically masturbating himself on stage and then come back and tell me how much of a saint he is, because the last time I looked, masturbation is pretty much a one way ticket to the hell fire in Christianity. On an end note...I will say what I want when I want...If you don't like it...I offer you this advice...DONT READ IT!

LOL  :lol:  And the titles of some of that porn are just HILARIOUS!  :lol: For some odd reason I find all of that very sexy, Michael with his porn...  :oops: Oh and Michael on stage, YUM! As I said in my previous post we're only speculating and I see no harm in that. We don't have to agree and people are free to say what they want. None of us are dissing Michael. The more I get to know about Michael the more I love him and I bet there are many of you that feel the same. I too feel that there must have been another side to Michael that we never got to see, maybe a tiny bit in his home videos. I definitely believe Michael loved Diana a lot probably still does but I have to say that I loved MIchael with Lmp. They looked so beautiful together and Michael seemed so happy at that time  :) I know a lot of people don't like her but I can't help but smiling whenever I see a video clip with them together.

Michael himself sang that he's "only human" and what a beautiful human being he is!
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 05, 2010, 11:49:56 AM
Quote from: "MSMJFANFOREVER"
I suspect that after The Wiz wrapped up, THAT'S when the "shift" in their relationship may have happened (if not, DURING).  She planted the seed, by getting him to feel dependant on her (given their history).  Then, used his naivety to her advantage.  

I'm not meaning to be insensitive. I DO think that she cared for him....to an extent, but perhaps, viewed MJ as a challenge as he got older.   When the reality of the situation (his falling for her) became too much for her to deal with, she checked out (emotionally) and left him "holding the bag."   I'm thinking that, after everything he went through in youth, he wanted a chance at NORMALCY and hoped that she could provide that.  She "knew" him better than probably ANYONE.  They spent a LOT of time together (even more-so, doing The Wiz.).  It's a proven "fact" that proximity is a major factor in attraction (hence, prevalence of OFFICE "affairs").

Quote
# Proximity

The closer two people live to each other the more likely it is for them to like one another. Research has shown that the best single predictor of whether two people are friends is how far apart they live. This idea leads into the next one.
(self-explanatory)

# Familiarity

One of the major reasons proximity creates liking is that it increases familiarity. Generally speaking, the more a person interacts with another person, the more attraction builds between them.
(Years of getting to "know" each other, learning each others HABITS, etc)

# Similarity

This idea does not say that soccer players will marry soccer players. Instead, it makes claims that those interested in sports are attracted to those interested in sports. Statistics show that people who pair off do so according to similarities in race, age, religion, education, physical characteristics, and other general characteristics.

They're BOTH "Celebrities"..... understand Show Business)




She was his last attempt at finding LOVE, TRUST and SECURITY (in his mind) and when she "rejected" him....it was like a DAGGER to the heart.

In my opinion..... I think that his androgyny could have been linked to HIS feelings of (PERCEIVED) "inadequacy."  IE...he didn't feel 100% confident in his manliness (whatever THAT means).  However, when he performs ONSTAGE, he becomes another person.  He's able to convey CONFIDANCE, SENSUALITY, etc...In other words, he's "FREE" to be who he is!

I really think that his onstage persona IS who MJ IS. You can't "fake" the expressiveness, magnetism that he obviously HAS onstage.  He didn't have to "try", it just can naturally, like a weight being "lifted" off of him.  HE was in "control".

If you watch the making of the "Ghosts" video, WATCH the part where he's transformed into The Mayor and he's joking around with the person who was there.   It's AMAZING and ironic....  he feels able to be "himself", while disguised as someone else.  Watch his body language and the way he speaks, he is not guarded, cautious or anything.  He's joking around and seems very comfortable in his own skin (oxymoron).  ;)  In THAT context.

Listen to how his voice deepens , also pay attn. to WHAT HE'S SAYING starting at 6:40 - 7:00
[youtube:2qfirxe8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu-_V3d2I3Q[/youtube:2qfirxe8]


I said all of that, to say that....
Diana Ross played a major part in who MJ, became.

Sorry, this has turned into  "The Psychology of Michael Jackson" ......dissertation. :D
Take a look starting at 9:13...LOL!  He splashes the guy with the water bottle and then runs!  Ha ha ha ha
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 05, 2010, 04:49:56 PM
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Hi there It's Her.  Your points are well taken.  I wonder if the song "Speechless" was about Diana Ross.  It would be appropriate if it were.  She is a terrific lady. :)

 Hi again, Willa,

I forgot to tell you which song I do think MJ wrote which could be about his feelings for Diana Ross. He  tried to throw people off her trail, but I have a picture of him holding her, maybe months AFTER the song became a hit, and he's SO smitten in love with her, it HURTS (ME :roll: !!!).

It is: I Just Can't Stop Loving You.

This is one of the most beautiful  :cry:  8-) HEART songs EVER written by anyone. It is just dripping with love. Desperate, unbelievably sweet love. I can feel him feeling it.   :(  :(  :(  
 
Someone asked him if he wrote OR even sang it with someone  ;) Specific in mind, and he said he did NOT write it thinking of anyone (would YOU admit it, that the object of your affection may be mostly in your mind, while your heart is still raw?).

But, he said sometimes he has thought of "someone", while singing it.(probably me :o ...yeah, that's who...)

THERE you go! :D
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 05, 2010, 11:22:48 PM
It's Her wrote:
"I forgot to tell you which song I do think MJ wrote which could be about his feelings for Diana Ross. He tried to throw people off her trail, but I have a picture of him holding her, maybe months AFTER the song became a hit, and he's SO smitten in love with her, it HURTS (ME  !!!).

It is: I Just Can't Stop Loving You."

It's too bad the two of them couldn't get together if he loved her that much.  I think that back in the 80's it wasn't accepted for an older woman and a younger man to be together.  Today it would be O.K. (look at Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher).  Michael was a pioneer in so many ways, particularly with respect to race.  I wish he could have had the love he deserved.

BTW, can you post that pic?

It makes sense that "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" is about Diana Ross.  That song was on the Off the Wall album, right at the time when he was in love with her.  

Now, I just know that many of his other songs were about me, of course. :lol:
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 06, 2010, 04:51:44 PM
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It's Her wrote:
"I forgot to tell you which song I do think MJ wrote which could be about his feelings for Diana Ross. He tried to throw people off her trail, but I have a picture of him holding her, maybe months AFTER the song became a hit, and he's SO smitten in love with her, it HURTS (ME  !!!).

It is: I Just Can't Stop Loving You."

It's too bad the two of them couldn't get together if he loved her that much.  I think that back in the 80's it wasn't accepted for an older woman and a younger man to be together.  Today it would be O.K. (look at Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher).  Michael was a pioneer in so many ways, particularly with respect to race.  I wish he could have had the love he deserved.

BTW, can you post that pic?

It makes sense that "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" is about Diana Ross.  That song was on the Off the Wall album, right at the time when he was in love with her.  

Now, I just know that many of his other songs were about me, of course. :lol:

Wasn't that song on the Bad album and not on Off the Wall? But of course he could still have been in love with her and written the song a bit later...
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 08, 2010, 07:05:41 PM
Quote from: "Willa"
It's Her wrote:
"I forgot to tell you which song I do think MJ wrote which could be about his feelings for Diana Ross. He tried to throw people off her trail, but I have a picture of him holding her, maybe months AFTER the song became a hit, and he's SO smitten in love with her, it HURTS (ME  !!!).

It is: I Just Can't Stop Loving You."

It's too bad the two of them couldn't get together if he loved her that much.  I think that back in the 80's it wasn't accepted for an older woman and a younger man to be together.  Today it would be O.K. (look at Demi Moore and Ashton Kutcher).  Michael was a pioneer in so many ways, particularly with respect to race.  I wish he could have had the love he deserved.

BTW, can you post that pic?


It makes sense that "I Just Can't Stop Loving You" is about Diana Ross.  That song was on the Off the Wall album, right at the time when he was in love with her.  

Now, I just know that many of his other songs were about me, of course. :lol:


I'll have to scan it or find it online some place. I will look around. My copy has tears all over it ;)  :oops:  and is kind of wrinkly. Man, I would have given everything to have inspired that look while holding me, later. THIS WAS BEFORE HE REALIZED MEN DON'T DO THAT KIND OF THING---WEAR YOUR HEART ON YOUR FACE.  :D  :D

And they really DON'T, sillies.  They got girl bait in their hearts and are TOO COOL to whip it out. I have NEVER seen any guy so much in love EVER.  I do mean EVER, NEVER, EVER. There are other ways to tell if they love you, but this is KILLER.

People waste SO much time being cool instead of showing what's inside. So what if you get stomped a few times? Maybe the guy who picks you up and dusts you off will be your hero. :D  

HE WAS PROBABLY 29 OR 30, BUT HE WAS SUCH A SWEET  :cry: INNOCENT MAN-CHILD. And I was totally gutless, and did NOT even know what that look meant, I was so shy  :x and clueless.  :x  It wouldn't have done any good to be nearby him,then.

It is true, youth is wasted on the young.

Now, I am not into groveling, but, I'll DO that part if he'll do "The LOOK"!! (gotta MEAN it, most sincerely, too!)

About D.R. and MJ...I think she kicked herself EVERY DAY for taking him in when he was a baby-doll.  Her cougar instincts could have been flashing, but she just couldn't get past that angelic little (LOOKED like ) 8 year old face, even after he became grown. She's a Mommy type first, God Bless her!(despite what all the nasty girls here, say). :roll:
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 08, 2010, 07:47:46 PM
Dang MJ was fine on that video clip with Diana Ross.  That was cute how they were holding hands.  The only time MJ let go of her hand is when she shook hands with Regis(who I didn't recognize at first because he's so young here.)  It's funny because she is the bigger star at this point in time.  This is when he was first emerging as a solo artist.  I like when he ask is this your escort for the night and she's like absolutely this is my date and she kiss MJ.  You can tell he's all proud and excited to be in her company.  He's like Diana's arm candy for the night.  Regis barely talks to MJ during the interview but then he's like thanks Michael and MJ gives him and smile but when he walks off he kinda have like a whatever dude look on his face.
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 08, 2010, 08:02:24 PM
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Dang MJ was fine on that video clip with Diana Ross.

Wasn't HE?!  LORD, I would've been all over him...IDK what in the world Diana was "thinking"  :?: I could look at him ALL day!


Listen at 3:47 thru 3:56 (rehearsing Dirty Diana).  Watch how he EMPHATICALLY says "Diana".... baby and mama ;)  :D
[youtube:2h369cq8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsIz-SQiLPU[/youtube:2h369cq8]


OMG...just found THIS! at 7:34 (she can't get her thoughts together and stumbles with her words.  I think she was afraid of letting the "cat out of the bag".   7:55 the "inflection" in his voice (when he says, what he says)....SAYS IT ALL!   :D
[youtube:2h369cq8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv50YxWIqkM[/youtube:2h369cq8]
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 09, 2010, 12:18:16 AM
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OMG...just found THIS! at 7:34 (she can't get her thoughts together and stumbles with her words.  I think she was afraid of letting the "cat out of the bag".   7:55 the "inflection" in his voice (when he says, what he says)....SAYS IT ALL!   :D
[youtube:26ejxgv2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dv50YxWIqkM[/youtube:26ejxgv2]


sucha cute video !!! awwwww MJ!!! thnx 4 posting hun<3
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 09, 2010, 12:50:13 AM
ok this is I think an interview with Eony,(a magazine?) I saw a screen shot on a youtube video or something...

here is the screen shot attached

and well we are speculating kinda...but the there are things that are a bit obvious.. maybe nothing sexual happened during the Wiz or whatever...but the attraction was there

and its nothing nasty...and we are definitely not nasty for thinking this
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 09, 2010, 01:32:18 PM
Michael doing Dirty Diana live = *me going mental of excitement, then fainting from his indescribable sexiness...* HeeHee!  :lol:
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Re: Why Dirty Diana is Diana Ross
March 11, 2010, 11:54:10 AM
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"
ok this is I think an interview with Eony,(a magazine?) I saw a screen shot on a youtube video or something...

here is the screen shot attached

and well we are speculating kinda...but the there are things that are a bit obvious.. maybe nothing sexual happened during the Wiz or whatever...but the attraction was there

and its nothing nasty...and we are definitely not nasty for thinking this
I've read that and it is very sweet.  I love the last quote from MJ...some got cut off but it goes
"let's put it this way, how old would you be if you didn't even know how old you are?"  -Michael Jackson-
He's trying to say that age is just a number, how old would you FEEL if you didn't know your age... SO SO TRUE!  I think right now I'm feeling like 80 or so...LOL he he he...
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