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Quote from: "Willa"Hi there It's Her. Your points are well taken. I wonder if the song "Speechless" was about Diana Ross. It would be appropriate if it were. She is a terrific lady. Hey Willa, I really believe that Michael Jackson has been singing to the One he's been "believing God for" , since he first realized he'd like to be married, someday. But that's just because I know many Christians who do everything with their future Love in mind. I keeps you on the path , if you're always mindful of him or her. 8-)I used to pray for mine every single night, until it took so long, I decided maybe he was in prison or something :oops:, as MY personal preference was someone with serious pride (the good kind) and fearlessness, which ofttimes gets one in trouble, rubbing the small minded the wrong way... Then, I missed a few nights, and began to think he had died or something---maybe married someone else. :oops: After, I took a look at what was available to me with the crop of mean, self-centered, womanizing men out there, I decided he wasn't born yet!! I wanted something very, very specific, and had NO doubts, years ago, that God had one of THESE up His sleeve, but, people told me to "Give it up, Jesus ain't coming back in your lifetime!" :roll: With friends like that...:?ANY way, when MJ did SPEECHLESS, he didn't have a girlfriend, because he was hitting on some blonde chickadee at the CD signing. I don't think he wrote it of D.R., because of something he says in it, and they, I am quite certain were not ever hot and heavy. Same with "Elizabeth". I even thought it was directed to God, until I listened closer. It's very definitely with a person he is "involved" with, IN THE SONG. Because He WASN'T with anyone, I think it is just fiction. Beautiful 8-), almost Holy 8-), and meant for anyone who will have him! He sings alot of fiction. YOU ROCK MY WORLD is sung to the same person, his DREAM girl, even though he didn't write it. Not anyone specific. I don't think he ever saw anyone get (a) "seven inches (knife) in" them, either, thank God; and when he sang THE GIRL IS MINE, both ways, you KNOW he didn't find himself SHARING any girl with either of the two co-singers!!!!! Ha ha ha I LOVE those songs. He has a magic pen, and magic pipes. He's a KEEPER :wink:Yeah...
Hi there It's Her. Your points are well taken. I wonder if the song "Speechless" was about Diana Ross. It would be appropriate if it were. She is a terrific lady.
Quote from: "CrazyBanana"hmmm, wow!a lot to take in lol! MJ saying he ha sex at 10! im sorry but when I was 10 I didnt know what sex is, well maybe im a lil slow but wow lolok so do you think he was talking about diana ross in the tapes of his phone calls with Glenda or who ever, he says something about giving Diana money and stuff, and I think he says something about he knew she did something, like she cheateded on him or somethingI always thought the Diana from those tapes was dirty diana but did not think at all it could be Diana ross...but wouldnt you think that would be the stop of their relationship? he did state he was in love with her in a magazine interview.btw, I really enjoy your posts! the rare video of MJ that you posted has got to be my fav. the one where he calls Randy ugly LOL! and the clown photos! thanks a lot 4 those, what els.... I could go on and on! Thanks a lot 4 all your efforts and all your posts! I love them ! <3aww thanks, I just hope you were never on the end of one of my tirades...LOL! Any way, I don't believe that MJ had sex at 10, I was only quoting what one woman said that he said. I think he was just trying to be a big shot but I do believe he loved Diana at age 10. I have no doubt that something happend between them before he turned 18. I still think he loves her...I don't think he ever stopped, but I think this song was written in anger of the realization that she wasn't the pure lady he thought she was and the promise of marrying him when he turned 18 was just a silly dream. As for the Glenda tapes...Please, don't believe them. I know that they show a side to MJ that few have seen but I will tell you, that is NOT MJ. Fans want it to be MJ so bad. I will tell you one thing you can listen to to confirm that it is not MJ...in the tapes, "MJ" starts telling Glenda about his schedule of all the places he has to be...These are all places MJ has been many many if not HUNDREDS of times before. These are all names of places even I have heard of...In the tapes...he can't even say the names and has to spell them...not only that but there is a part where "MJ" SPEAKS a line from his song and tells glenda he will make her a tape...he attepts a few quiet shy bars of the song and then thats when he says, "I'll make you a tape of some songs." Everyone knows MJ was not afraid to sing here and there...there is a tape of him in his home singing with the kids doing a puzzle, a tape of him walking and singing and greeting fans...he always goes into song. There is a tape of him singing to Elizabeth on the phone and siging another BeGees song with his friend Bret Ratner...That is what he does...he doesn't sing on the tape because the person trying to pretend to be MJ can't sing...Please, there are other things too, but don't believe the tapes...Read the Rabbi book, there is more juicy stuff in there than on those dumb glenda tapes. Thanks again for what you said about my posts. I'm always looking for neat things. Here is a couple for you...a real tape of MJ's voice and a cute other one I found...[youtube:3l0xas8t]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=au7JBDOPkC4&feature=related[/youtube:3l0xas8t][youtube:3l0xas8t]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH3AVtzJvv8&feature=related[/youtube:3l0xas8t]
hmmm, wow!a lot to take in lol! MJ saying he ha sex at 10! im sorry but when I was 10 I didnt know what sex is, well maybe im a lil slow but wow lolok so do you think he was talking about diana ross in the tapes of his phone calls with Glenda or who ever, he says something about giving Diana money and stuff, and I think he says something about he knew she did something, like she cheateded on him or somethingI always thought the Diana from those tapes was dirty diana but did not think at all it could be Diana ross...but wouldnt you think that would be the stop of their relationship? he did state he was in love with her in a magazine interview.btw, I really enjoy your posts! the rare video of MJ that you posted has got to be my fav. the one where he calls Randy ugly LOL! and the clown photos! thanks a lot 4 those, what els.... I could go on and on! Thanks a lot 4 all your efforts and all your posts! I love them ! <3
[youtube:1g71my8h]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpmWUIG7mJY[/youtube:1g71my8h]This video is quite "telling", as well.OMG, they're is soooo much sexual tension there. Watch MJ, right after he and Diana kiss each other. Watch how he is "studying her", while looking a bit awkward at the same time. THERE IS DEFINITELY A "HISTORY", BETWEEN THEM! I highly doubt that it was ALL in his mind. I think she "put it ON him" and then gave him mixed signals (she seems like a "control freak", at times). I'm not bashing Diana per se, merely offering another angle. I Also think it's possible that she "got off" on the POWER that she had over him (desire). Being as passionate a person, as MJ was.....I think it really ate him up, not being able to openly express his true feelings. I can imagine her telling him to keep it in perspective (sex) and that she could appreciate it for what it was (if they DID, in fact, GO THERE). HOWEVER, in MJ's mind.....it was NO DOUBT, A BIG DEAL! I'm sure, that he felt she "dismissed" his feelings (she probably did). I just think he was too HARD on himself, he's very perceptive and I believe Diana gave him a very tangible reason for him to have fallen so hard, for her.I wished they could've found a way to "make it work." Ironically, I think there's a reason that he named her as a backup guardian (that goes way beyond him respecting her parenting). It would especially make SENSE, if he IS still alive and they've (unbenounced to US) been seeing each other. What better way to have the "love of your life" accessible (ie...your childrens' caretaker)?
No offense, to any one, especially to all of you who so easily believe this as the truth, but it is no way in HELL true. Your immediate source is lying like a rug to sell her story. It is crap on crap. omg, his kids may be reading here. :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: I take exception to anyone dissing the great Lady, Diana Ross. How superior and catty you sound, so "knowledgable" about her sex life and how she bought her way to the top with it... Quit that. It's clearly not true that she hasn't enough just plain TALENT. :x I take exception to putting her and Michael Jackson together in some dirty :evil: story, of what amounts to child molestation! :shock: (YES, even if you qualified it and pretended to "take it back".) I know your imagination just got the better of you in the OP, but, PULLEEEZe, save this kind of thing for the tabloids or maybe make some money writing novels. I mean NO harm, and I don't think you meant harm, either, but this is so dirty and defamatory, just FYI... You better not say MJ was doing Miss Ross at ANY point in his pure, 8-) chaste, DECENT, churchboy youth and actually, I really seriously DO meant up to age 32 at LEAST!!!!! :!: It is so obscene I feel sick. YUK....Let me tell you about Diana Ross and just a couple of reasons Michael loves her to THIS HOUR:Ms. Ross has always been one of the most openly affectionate and playful girls on the planet, and paid LOTS of loving attention to a little guy who was away from his mommy's embrace for great blocks of time, making a name for himself on Earth. She's very classy, beautiful, even now, and FULL of personality and wit. Michael had very good taste. He was just too young and innocent to GET it, that she was just a real nice lover--in a non-sexual, non-designing way. Haven't we ALL misunderstood someone's intentions, when we were that green? It's not her fault and it's not a crime that he fell so hard for such a class act. It is a sacred thing for us to even be privy to this crush of his. Poor thing can't even keep his green-ness out of the public's nosey eyes...BTW, WHO goes to a wedding with a secret rusty stake in their heart???!! Have some respect. The guy is wrecked and MUST save face. Sheeesh. It's not anger, it's DEATH to Love. I know touchy-feely women like this---sort of like LOUD flowers, who are so busy wafting joy around, they are oblivious to the affect it may be having on a teenage boy and his hormones and hungry heart. She would NEVER dream of teasing him or mean to be leading him on that way ON PURPOSE. Get your minds out of the gutter, PLEASE. :roll: There was NOTHING sexual or dirty about it! :roll: :x It's called "love" and tender ATTENTION, something every boy LOVES to be the recipient of, even if they pretend to fight it, but, somehow, I don't think it occurred to MJ that it needed fighting. :lol: :lol: He was unbelievably intelligent at even a very young age!I would have hugged the daylights out of that sweetie-pie, myself, and covered him with some heart-nutritious kisses, EVERY time I could REACH him. :!: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: Man, you shocked me SO much. :cry: EEWWW.Secondly, Diana Ross was an excellent mom to her own children. When she was touring , she'd fly home every night to tuck her kids in bed tight, with kisses, as if love was a necessary nutrient for young growing hearts. [That is, if she couldn't just have packed them up and taken them with her!] Don't you dare make his sweet, sweet, precious, puppy love crush on her and her PRIDE in simply KNOWING that handsome devil and fine inner man Mikey grew up to BE, as ANYTHING CREEPY!!!!!!!!!!!Did ya ever think that maybe he just liked singing her name, after years in love with her?!
by mykidsmum ยป Thu Mar 04, 2010 8:08 pm"...Maybe you should go watch some concert footage of MJ practically masturbating himself on stage and then come back and tell me how much of a saint he is, because the last time I looked, masturbation is pretty much a one way ticket to the hell fire in Christianity. On an end note...I will say what I want when I want...If you don't like it...I offer you this advice...DONT READ IT!"---- I must say I've seen more than my fair share of MJ videos, 8-) and yeah he may gyrate off the chain and make masculine dance hand gestures :lol: (female dancers do it too... fake rub their bodies, you know what I mean) but he is far from masturbating! you must don't get it enough so that looks real serious :lol: I AM JUST KIDDING :lol: 8-) and since when is masturbating a ticket to hell? that is so funny
# ProximityThe closer two people live to each other the more likely it is for them to like one another. Research has shown that the best single predictor of whether two people are friends is how far apart they live. This idea leads into the next one.(self-explanatory)# FamiliarityOne of the major reasons proximity creates liking is that it increases familiarity. Generally speaking, the more a person interacts with another person, the more attraction builds between them.(Years of getting to "know" each other, learning each others HABITS, etc)# SimilarityThis idea does not say that soccer players will marry soccer players. Instead, it makes claims that those interested in sports are attracted to those interested in sports. Statistics show that people who pair off do so according to similarities in race, age, religion, education, physical characteristics, and other general characteristics.They're BOTH "Celebrities"..... understand Show Business)
I suspect that after The Wiz wrapped up, THAT'S when the "shift" in their relationship may have happened (if not, DURING). She planted the seed, by getting him to feel dependant on her (given their history). Then, used his naivety to her advantage. I'm not meaning to be insensitive. I DO think that she cared for him....to an extent, but perhaps, viewed MJ as a challenge as he got older. When the reality of the situation (his falling for her) became too much for her to deal with, she checked out (emotionally) and left him "holding the bag." I'm thinking that, after everything he went through in youth, he wanted a chance at NORMALCY and hoped that she could provide that. She "knew" him better than probably ANYONE. They spent a LOT of time together (even more-so, doing The Wiz.). It's a proven "fact" that proximity is a major factor in attraction (hence, prevalence of OFFICE "affairs").Quote# ProximityThe closer two people live to each other the more likely it is for them to like one another. Research has shown that the best single predictor of whether two people are friends is how far apart they live. This idea leads into the next one.(self-explanatory)# FamiliarityOne of the major reasons proximity creates liking is that it increases familiarity. Generally speaking, the more a person interacts with another person, the more attraction builds between them.(Years of getting to "know" each other, learning each others HABITS, etc)# SimilarityThis idea does not say that soccer players will marry soccer players. Instead, it makes claims that those interested in sports are attracted to those interested in sports. Statistics show that people who pair off do so according to similarities in race, age, religion, education, physical characteristics, and other general characteristics.They're BOTH "Celebrities"..... understand Show Business)She was his last attempt at finding LOVE, TRUST and SECURITY (in his mind) and when she "rejected" him....it was like a "dagger" to the heart.In my opinion..... I think that his androgyny could have been linked to his feelings of (PERCEIVED) "inadequacy." IE...he didn't feel 100% confident in his manliness. However, when he performs ONSTAGE, he becomes another person. He's able to convey CONFIDANCE, SENSUALITY, etc...In other words, he's "FREE" to be who he is!I really think that his onstage persona IS who MJ IS. You can't "fake" the expressiveness, magnetism that he obviously HAS onstage. He didn't have to "try", it just can naturally, like a weight being "lifted" off of him. HE was in "control".If you watch the making of the "Ghosts" video, WATCH the part where he's transformed into The Mayor and he's joking around with the person who was there. It's AMAZING and ironic.... he feels able to be "himself", while disguised as someone else. Watch his body language and the way he speaks, he is not guarded, cautious or anything. He's joking around and seems very comfortable in his own skin (oxymoron). In THAT context.(gonna try to find that clip)I said all of that, to say that....Diana Ross played a major part in who MJ, became.Sorry, this has turned into "The Psychology of Michael Jackson" ......dissertation.
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