Found other picture of MJ arriving at the hospital

[LadyMedic]

LadyMedic I really appreciate your point of view as a professional.
But.
Sometimes you say things like that here.

It is clear from the ambulance picture that they did have a bag spiked and running

It is clear that there is no IV pole so your assuming what you say is what happened because is the usual thing.

But if all that was a simple acting, they can just not have it at all, instead of having it not visible.

We don´t see it, we can´t assume for sure it´s there. That would be if we were 100% sure that there is someone suffering something. And assuming that the ambo pic has something to do with this and this moment...

The only thing we can see on this secuence is what we see in this secuence, no more.
Don´t know if I explainned myself right.

If the ambulance picture is real, which I will assume it is until it is definitively proven fake, they had an IV bag spiked and running. However, it is NOT clear if there is or isn't an IV pole on the stretcher.

[somekindofsign]

That´s what I mean... the ifs, and the fact that you´re assuming the ambo pic is fake until the contrary is proven...

There are many ways to aproach this investigation.
That´s yours, mine is that while the ambo pic is not proven real or fake, it´s not real, nor fake.

Is important taking into account that listening to your opinion and mine.
The statement you just made, turnned it into a matter of opinion.  

My statemente here would be:

Having into account LadyMedic knowledge about the procedure, we can state that there are IV that wouldn´t be visible in that case.

I can´t state no more.

[LadyMedic]

That´s what I mean... the ifs, and the fact that you´re assuming the ambo pic is fake until the contrary is proved...

There are many ways to aproach this investigation.
That´s yours, mine is that while the ambo pic is not proven real or fake, it´s not real, nor fake.

Is important taking into account that listening to your opinion and mine.
The statement you just made, turnned it into a matter of opinion.

You're right. It is my opinion that the ambulance picture is real. But I cannot say whether or not an IV pole is present. I can say that if you're going by the ambulance picture, there was an IV running. If you aren't going by the ambulance picture, I would say that they most likely had an IV running in order to keep the vein patent due to medication administration, and this is typical for a cardiac arrest.

[somekindofsign]

Sorry I edited my post... you have the answer there  
Myself I have no questions right now... thanks a lot!

[LadyMedic]

I edited mine as well  

[somekindofsign]

The same happened with the possibility of the ambo pic, as I said then.

Trying to proof that those pics are possible we´re not going to proof anything.
We only would have something if we proved them impossible.

We may also now another kind of things from them.

But proving them possible does not proof anything, only that they are possibly real.

Although it helps with the investigation and the lines of it.

[somekindofsign]

You're right. It is my opinion that the ambulance picture is real. But I cannot say whether or not an IV pole is present. I can say that if you're going by the ambulance picture, there was an IV running. If you aren't going by the ambulance picture, I would say that they most likely had an IV running in order to keep the vein patent due to medication administration, and this is typical for a cardiac arrest.

Ladymedic I have not opinion here nor I have stated any about that question.
Your answer here is if someone suffered from something at all, which is something I just don´t know. Sorry, I´m like Hume  :lol:

I see the importance of what you´re telling is about the normal procedure if MJ or someone was there with a cardiac arrest. In both cases, with and without ambo pic... you see, now we have knowledge from the two of them.

In all those ifs I have not given my opinion still.  :lol:  
Headache of the socratic method!

[Jacksonology]

It is possible Michael could of been disguised as a UCLA paramedic. and a Double could of been on the Stretcher.

[bec]

You guys have got to be kidding me.

You're all really gonna roll over and concede that some vague, partially obscured, totally out of focus dark blob in a photo is a pair of legs?

If someone presented the idea that Michael Jackson himself was a vague, partially obscured, totally out of focus dark blob in a photograph they'd be laughed off the forum as a nut bag.

It's like everyone is SEARCHING for reasons to throw him in the tomb and walk away.

COME ON.

[raphaelleanique]

Is this the video footage someone asked about? At about 30 seconds in you can see the footage from the right side of the ambulance.

[youtube:j6y0a3gp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faG0YjpRbNs&playnext_from=TL&videos=FOG39XMP4MM[/youtube:j6y0a3gp]

Thank you very much,Christina,that is the one I meant!
This sequence is in slow motion,if you see it in real speed, you can even see it more clearly: there is a naked underarm of the darkly dressed paramedic that is making up and down movements on someone on the stretcher.

I must say right now that these details all do not seem to show any evidence to anything concerning the hoax. This really might have been well planned and logically explainable to rise the credibility of what happened; MJ died of cardiac arrest according to the media
and according to the "script".

[billiejean17]

The man stepping out of the ambulance was very visible on another picture. He turned around with his back to the stretcher and also lifted his jacket, so: another security guy.

Somekindofsign created and posted this earlier in this forum:


Sternchen87 posted this image earlier in this forum:


You can clearly see the man that stepped out of the ambulance on the far right now also holding his jacket up to shield off the stretcher.

The security guy in the previous pictures is standing second to the right in this picture, still holding up his jacket as well.

Who's the guy with the shades on opposite the guy with his back to us who has pink writting on his T shirt?
he has short hair and shades on you will have to catch it very quickly ... can someone slow it down?

[Tina K.]

The man stepping out of the ambulance was very visible on another picture. He turned around with his back to the stretcher and also lifted his jacket, so: another security guy.

Somekindofsign created and posted this earlier in this forum:


Sternchen87 posted this image earlier in this forum:


You can clearly see the man that stepped out of the ambulance on the far right now also holding his jacket up to shield off the stretcher.

The security guy in the previous pictures is standing second to the right in this picture, still holding up his jacket as well.

Who's the guy with the shades on opposite the guy with his back to us who has pink writting on his T shirt?
he has short hair and shades on you will have to catch it very quickly ... can someone slow it down?

yeah, who is he + I know who I think he looks like, but I think he's a paramedic.... There is something about his body... :oops:

[somekindofsign]

Who Murray?
Are you talking about this man?
It is Murray (or don´t assuming anything, supposedly Murray, characerized Murray... what ever. I think he´s Murray himself and real)

Or are you talking about other person there?
If so, can you please number him from left/right and other detail that help on knowing who are you talkinga about?



still beLIEve also brought the attached tshirt pic. We found it through analysis.

*******

We´re always repeating the same things on the UCLA threads again and again.
People who have been discussing that before , we have two options.
Let you think whatever, ot getting into de discussion and start again the same things.

Within 3 weeks, someone will open a new thread again about aaaaall this.

All the efforts again (that´s OK), and then someone like bec, comes, makes a two lines statement (are you kidding me)... are YOU kidding me?

bec, the simply shadow you talk about... you have to see frame 4 where legs are more visible.
The shadow thing is to point where the legs are in THAT frame. But if you don´t read, I´m sure you´re not understanding.

I´m a little tired.  

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[Tina K.]

I was just looking at the gif again, and if Michael is going in with his feet first, then the 2 paramedics at the other end of the stretcer, has their arms on Michaels face... :?

[Infinitylady]

ILOVEMJ » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:41 am

The body gaurd was trying to cover the stretcher and whoever may have been on it

Okay, maybe I am wrong but why would you need to cover him up? If this is something serious as an emergency.  Okay, he is Michael Jackson but this is suppose to be life threatening? Perhaps they did this to protect him from anyone trying to get near him.