UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

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UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 09:54:00 AM
Last days I´ve been working on the UCLA pics that I posted on the stretcher thread.
But now I have just realized one thing that have petrified me.

I can´t show it to you here, so to see what I found you have to do what follow:
Go to this pic and save it in your computer:



http://http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/ambulance-arrives-at-hospital-with-michael-jackson.jpg

Ok, then go to the windows explorer and open the folder.
Choose to see "Details" view mode.
Make shure that "Image taken date" (can´t see if this is so in English Windows) is displayed.
And tell me what date was it taken...

06/24/09 20:00

I just cannot understand this!!!

It happens the same wih this one:



http://http://www.bittenandbound.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/michael-jackson-arrives-via-ambulance-at-ucla-medical-center.jpg
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 09:56:38 AM
Could be fixed.. Little sceptic to 20.00.. It should be 8PM and it's quite late.
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 09:57:57 AM
This is what i see when I go to see details :
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Micheal Jackson
arriving by ambulance at the UCLA Medical Center, after suffering a fatal heart attack at the age of 50.
Los Angeles, California - 25.06.09
***no TMZ, no Access Hollywood, no Extra, no Inside Edition, no Entertainment Tonight.  Available for t
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 09:58:24 AM
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Could be fixed.. Little sceptic to 20.00.. It should be 8PM and it's quite late.

What for? To create confussion?
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:01:22 AM
Sabrina, I did not realize that.

And says Author: HTA/ZOJ

Description:

Micheal Jackson
arriving by ambulance at the UCLA Medical Center, after suffering a fatal heart attack at the age of 50.
Los Angeles, California - 25.06.09
***no TMZ, no Access Hollywood, no Extra, no Inside Edition, no Entertainment Tonight.  Available for the rest of the world***
Credit: (Mandatory): WENN.com

What is weird is that the metadata date that can be modified is precisely 25.06.09 00:00:00
I´m openning it with Adobe Bridge and I cannot modify the 06/24/2009 date...
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:06:41 AM
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Sabrina, I did not realize that.

And says Author: HTA/ZOJ

It's OK :)
Maybe it's from an agency but I ouldn't find the adress I don't know what does it means
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:07:54 AM
Quote from: "Sabrina"
This is what i see when I go to see details :
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Micheal Jackson
arriving by ambulance at the UCLA Medical Center, after suffering a fatal heart attack at the age of 50.
Los Angeles, California - 25.06.09
***no TMZ, no Access Hollywood, no Extra, no Inside Edition, no Entertainment Tonight.  Available for t

I see the same thing at noted here (***no TMZ, etc)...interesting.  I don't see the date of the 24th but if that is true then Kenny and them are lying about when he was at rehearsals.
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:15:17 AM
This is what I see on Advanced Metadata:

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xmp:CreateDate: 2009-06-25T00:00:00Z
xmp:creatortool: Adobe Photoshop Cs2 Windows
xmp:ModifyDate: 2009-06-24T20:00:00+02:00

Metadata have been modified on 06/24/09 20:00
(Not taken at this hour)

Sabrina, the Agency is at http://www.WENN.com.
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:29:10 AM
Here's what I got. :)

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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:35:29 AM
Yes, that´s what I mean.
And looking further on metadata, says that the creation date (not the shot date) has been modified at 20:00 06/24/09...

This is what I see with Bridge:


I´m surfing http://www.wenn.con now and find a catalogue of weird things.
One of them is news saying MJ needed a lung transplant.
http://http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,470709,00.html

It´s full of rumors...
http://http://www.wenn.com/archives/tag/michael-jackson/page/12

And more weird... they don´t have this pic published, that I can see...
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:54:38 AM
Quote from: "iMJacksonfaN"
Could be fixed.. Little sceptic to 20.00.. It should be 8PM and it's quite late.

Can you modify that date?
I´m not able...
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 10:57:28 AM
I got this using exif reader

Filename : paramedic.jpg
JFIF_APP1 : Exif
JFIF_APP1 : http
Main Information
Software : Adobe Photoshop CS2 Windows
Copyright : WENN.com
ExifInfoOffset : 2208
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Unknown (9C9D)1,16 : 4800540041002F005A004F004A000000
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Unknown (EA1C)7,2060 : 2060 Bytes
Sub Information
DateTimeOriginal : 2009:06:24 20:00:00
UserComment : Micheal Jackson
arriving by ambulance at the UCLA Medical Center, after suffering a fatal heart attack at the age of 50.
Los Angeles, California - 25.06.09
***no TMZ, no Access Hollywood, no Extra, no Inside Edition, no Entertainment Tonight.  Available for the rest of the world***
Credit: (Mandatory): WENN.com
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 11:13:01 AM
I had a picture of taylor swift i ran through heres what it gave me notice the date is 2008:06:04 20:00:00
 and the time is the same as the ambulance pic not sure what it means? Is the time maybe not set correctly? It says wenn too
Filename : taylor_swift_1904854.jpg
JFIF_APP1 : Exif
JFIF_APP2 : ICC Profile (offset:5343 size:3151bytes)
JFIF_APP14 : Photoshop 3.0
JFIF_APP1 : http
AdobeResource
IPTC-NAA : 374Byte
Unknown (1061) : 16Byte
IPTC
Record version : 0002
Title : cma celeb closeup 060608
Emergency degree : 2
Taking a picture day : 20080605
Taking a picture time : 000000+0000
Photographer : JE1
Photographer's title : JE1
CountryName : USA
Photograph number : wenn1904854
Subtitle : cma celeb closeup 060608
Credit : Judy Eddy / WENN
Original owner : http://www.wenn.com/
Copyright Info : Judy Eddy / WENN
Caption : Taylor Swift
at the GAC Presents CMA Celebrity Close Up event at the Ryman Auditorium
Nashville, Tennessee - 05.06.08
Credit: (Mandatory): Judy Eddy / WENN
Caption manufacturer : jf
Main Information
Copyright : Judy Eddy / WENN
Sub Information
DateTimeOriginal : 2008:06:04 20:00:00
UserComment : Taylor Swift
at the GAC Presents CMA Celebrity Close Up event at the Ryman Auditorium
Nashville, Tennessee - 05.06.08
Credit: (Mandatory): Judy Eddy / WENN
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 11:16:57 AM
here is a different taylor swift taken by wenn it is a different day from the one i uploaded before DateTimeOriginal : 2008:05:16 20:00:00 still has the same time as different taylor swift pic and the same time as michael ambulance pic??  what do you think about this

Filename : taylor_swift_1871882.jpg
JFIF_APP1 : Exif
JFIF_APP2 : ICC Profile (offset:5485 size:3151bytes)
JFIF_APP14 : Photoshop 3.0
JFIF_APP1 : http
AdobeResource
IPTC-NAA : 206Byte
Unknown (1061) : 16Byte
IPTC
Record version : 0002
Title : play for a cause 180508
Taking a picture day : 20080517
Taking a picture time : 000000+0000
Photographer : JE1
Photographer's title : JE1
CountryName : USA
Photograph number : wenn1871882
Subtitle : play for a cause 180508
Credit : Judy Eddy / WENN
Original owner : http://www.wenn.com/
Copyright Info : Judy Eddy / WENN
Caption manufacturer : ja
Main Information
Copyright : Judy Eddy / WENN
Sub Information
DateTimeOriginal : 2008:05:16 20:00:00
UserComment : Taylor Swift
Academy of Country Music Charitable Fund’s New Artists’ Party for a Cause at MGM Grand Hotel Casino
Las Vegas, Nevada - 17.05.08
Credit: (Mandatory): Judy Eddy / WENN
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 11:22:11 AM
That may be the metadata template creation date... nothing to do with the pic.

Here you have the complete xmp file from the UCLA pic:
(See that here the metadata template creation date is also from 2008, but nothing to do with the photo)

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<?xpacket begin="?" id="W5M0MpCehiHzreSzNTczkc9d"?>
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         <dc:description>
            <rdf:Alt>
               <rdf:li xml:lang="x-default">Micheal Jackson&#xA;arriving by ambulance at the UCLA Medical Center, after suffering a fatal heart attack at the age of 50.&#xA;Los Angeles, California - 25.06.09&#xA;***no TMZ, no Access Hollywood, no Extra, no Inside Edition, no Entertainment Tonight.  Available for the rest of the world***&#xA;Credit: (Mandatory): WENN.com</rdf:li>
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        <xmp:ModifyDate>2009-06-24T20:00:00+02:00</xmp:ModifyDate>
         <xmp:CreateDate>2009-06-25T00:00:00Z</xmp:CreateDate>

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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 07:05:48 PM
How can it be "modified" a day before it was actually taken? LOL
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 07:27:29 PM
OK, we need some nerds here! Haha!
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 14, 2010, 08:56:21 PM
It IS possible to modify EXIF data with the right software. Photogs do it all the time to sync, sort, and organize photos. Just FYI.
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 15, 2010, 02:43:51 AM
Yeah but why would they modify to reflect 1 day before it was supposed to happen ?  Top create confusion or did this really occur on 06/24/2009.  These pics could have been staged in advance, stranger things have happened, right ?
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 15, 2010, 08:41:50 AM
Yes for shure, confusion.
Be a photographer is part of my work and don´t see the point on doing that.
I stock my almbums and work with metadata to sort etc.

The metadata was modified, but wasn´t the modifying date what was changed to be on 24,
it reflects that on 24 the metadata was changed... don´t know if I explain myself.

There are many ways to work, OK, and maybe I can´t see the reason to modify the modifying date.

Tell us Christiana, can you give us a reason to do that, just asking...

I just don´t know if the pics were taken on 24, and of course if it was so, on 25 they had to reproduce a little of the scene. But all this is strange.
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 15, 2010, 11:31:48 AM
I think that there has always been some speculation about the 24th. I have no idea where but on this site at some point someone said that an exit gate in one of the pictures said the the 24th. Also, some that has always bothered me, is the Craig Harvey email correspondance - on a coupld of occaisions he said " the events of that day in June" he never in any of the correspondance said the exact date. Also when he said "the events of that date" always brought to mind that it was much more than just rushing someone to the hospital and pronouncing him. Just a thought.
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 15, 2010, 11:36:56 AM
Also..as far as I have heard the body guards followed with the kids right? so where are they and where is all the chaos that was reported. The body guards seem to be there..casually holding up jacket and one guy is even putting on his jacket??? So maybe the kids went with a bunch of other body guards??? It just seems so staged and fishy.
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: February 15, 2010, 07:45:09 PM
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mjkate wrote
I think that there has always been some speculation about the 24th. I have no idea where but on this site at some point someone said that an exit gate in one of the pictures said the the 24th. Also, some that has always bothered me, is the Craig Harvey email correspondance - on a coupld of occaisions he said " the events of that day in June" he never in any of the correspondance said the exact date. Also when he said "the events of that date" always brought to mind that it was much more than just rushing someone to the hospital and pronouncing him. Just a thought.

Yes, I too remember the 24 or 25 date when first joining this forum, so there must be a discussion thread here.  I'll go hunt for it.

You all are better geeks  :geek: than I am but my properties exactly reads as follows:

Dimensions 640 x424
Date picture taken: 6/24/09 8:00 pm
michael jackson hospital arrival 250609
Micheal Jackson(note the misspelling of Micheal)
arriving by ambulance at the UCLA Medical Center after suffering a fatal heart attack at age 50
Los A

Says nothing else
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BUT WHEN QUESTIONING MY PERSONAL PHOTOS when noticing this same date problem it was simply that the date on the camera was incorrect.

I don't know if your computer changes corrects the date or not.  Mine does not.

Good find, this is worth verifying !!!!!!!

xoxoxo
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: March 16, 2010, 02:23:36 PM

U.C.L.A = United we Come together LOVE Always

As says my friend MJalive999: Ask WHY not WHEN!(or WHERE,HOW OR WHO DID HELP)
This fact and pic only a detail of the necessary MJ HOAX...Listen and pay attention at messages & spread MICHAEL JACKSON important words for all WORLD!
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Re: UCLA pic taken on 06/24/09!

  • on: March 16, 2010, 02:36:49 PM
It shows 6.24.09 on my computer, but its 5:00 pm for some reason.....
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