[Eva R]

This is a topic of MJHD. I thought it was interesting to read, but I Don't believe it. I don't believe Michael was in coma or something ;) So what do you guys think?


I agree with pretty much everything posted on this site, about all the lies, inconsistencies, fakes and spectacles of the "death" of MJ but have tried for months to figure how IF he would ever be capable of willingly faking his own death, raking in millions of dollars off his fans, who think he is dead and gone. And, IF Michael would ever be capable of faking his own death just to pay his debts. I think we all know, Michael Jackson is not that kind of person. To fake his own death, as a hoax, is not getting back at the media, it's killing his fans, whom he loved more than anything in the world, not to mention millions of children who loved and adored him. He is not the kind of person that could ever do something so deceitful for any personal gain, or tulip and giggles, then months later pop out of cake and yell "thats a wrap", "gottcha, you dirty lying tabloids!".....

I believe something did happen June 25th at his house, a terrible, terrible medical emergency. It may or may not have anything to do with drugs. I FEEL that Michael went into cardiac arrest that morning, and either had a massive stroke or went into a coma, and, everything that we have seen and heard since that day, has been the work of his family and many insiders that were close to MJ. Then, I think, why would the family do all of this, to put on this big production, of Michaels death and funeral, etc. Pretty simple, they did it for his fans.

I feel that the family did all of this, for Michaels fans to have "closure" so that they would leave him alone now, forever, his children and his family alone also, while he is an invalid, stroked out, paralyzed, or in a coma..... whichever, MJ is no longer the MJ the world knew anymore, after June 25th and never will be, ever again, as we knew him. They don't want their home staked out by the fans and media, or pictures of him showing up, so ill, and unlike him as we knew him. Michael would never want his fans to see him all crippled up, stroked up, paralyzed or in a coman. With this story line, everyone just goes away, despite all the lies, fakes and inconsistencies we all have seen and hear, but that its. No one camps outside their home, hoping and praying for him to recover. Perfect, for the Jacksons and him and his kids. Its also why they are all carrying on with their lives like it never happened. Really, they act like nothing happned! Even his kids! With this story, his family members, all leeches and depending on him and using him his entire life to make themselves famous and revive their useless careers, this way, he gives them all more than enough money to live the rest of their lives and have no reason to ever ask or force him to do anything more for their pathtic lives.

The fact his family has said and done so many things that don't add up, only futher valid my feeling that he is still alive, and the reason for so many lies and inconsistencies we saw adn found, are cause his family is not very good at faking his death adn giving his world of fans the closure, the proof they would need that he is dead, no more, gone, etc. Why was his casket closed? Latoya said it was because of too much trauma to his face during CPR?!? WTF? Then, later the family says each of his children had private time "with him" to say thier goodbyes, and that he looked like michael, they did a good job, he was peaceful, etc?!

This is MY feeling, and what I believe and why. Michael Jackson IS alive, but he is either in a coma or had a massive stroke and no longer the MJ we knew, he is fragile, ill and invalid and the family are getting excatly what they want, to be left alone and living off of Michael, like that always have. They all make me sick. Poor MJ, his life would have been so much better had he been born into another family. His entire family are liars, hypocrites, cheats and leeches except Rebbie. Even his "saint" of a mother is a liar and hypcrite. A devote jehovah yet she took and spent his millions, lived in luxury, was flamboyant, celebrated birthdays, accepted presents, and turned her face to ignore things everyone in her family was doing, that was against her faith, all in the name of making money and riding off of her son, Michael Jackson. Everyone in his family, is a leech, used him, betrayed him and lived off of him, all his brothers and sister, his mom and dad.... except Rebbie.

God help you now Michael, as you lay victim to them now, and not able to care for yourself. I pray you recover and get out of that house and take yourself and your children far, far away from them.

[THE JACKSONOLOGIST]

This is a possibility. I never thought of this before. But will we ever know?
The one thing that comes to mind is why then, would they buy him a crypt in FL if he isnt there? did they REALLY buy him a crypt? no one has ever seen or filmed the family visiting his grave at FL have they? Nope. Maybe they bought it for him in advance because he IS in a coma or something. So when he does really pass away they can put him there and the family can mourn in private...hence the fake memorial and funeral?

I dont know.....I hope this isnt the case but it could be.

[mjgirl86]

This is a possibility. I never thought of this before. But will we ever know?
The one thing that comes to mind is why then, would they buy him a crypt in FL if he isnt there? did they REALLY buy him a crypt? no one has ever seen or filmed the family visiting his grave at FL have they? Nope. Maybe they bought it for him in advance because he IS in a coma or something. So when he does really pass away they can put him there and the family can mourn in private...hence the fake memorial and funeral?

I dont know.....I hope this isnt the case but it could be.

Hmmm, interesting points.... kinda sad, though

[Eva R]

yeah... but I don't believe it.. who else made all those wonderful clues?  :D

[lolittalempicka]

Interesting point of view BUT ... I don't think that any of Jackson Family members is so clever to leave so many clues etc.....  ;)

[lisap27]

that is quite a sensable explaination i think!! its not a very nice 1 to believe in some sense.. to think that michael is an invalid etc..
but a plausable explanation!! as to all the mistakes etc, as Michael was a perfectionist so if he was behind it would it have been planned better!!

i dunno i'm just waffleing in now!! :roll:

i'll leave it with.. Interesting post!! and keeping an open mind to everything!!

[SPAKKLE29FUL]

i dont believe it cos there is always someone wiling to sell a story,and if he was in a coma or something they would never keep it quite for ever no way.and anyway the family are always gonna be news especialy the kids so they couldnt be sneaking anywhere to visit him

[Eva R]

yeah it also would be weird if he was in coma and they would say he is dead. You could just say he was in coma. Why not? ;)

[doreentbird]

YOU KNOW..THAT ACTUALLY MAKES ALOT OF SENSE.  IT COULD BE THAT BY THE TIME HE WAS FOUND IT WAS MANY MINUTES LATER. HE WAS BROUGHT BACK, BUT HAS SERIOUS BRAIN DAMAGE BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF OXYGEN. IT REALLY REALLY MAKES SENSE.  SOMEONE ELSE COULD BE DOING THE CLUES..HE HAS MANY FRIENDS. AND MIGHT JUST BE PRINCE. MY KIDS ARE YOUNG AND KNOW HOW TO DO THINGS ON A COMPUTER THAN I.  HMMM..SCRATCHING HEAD. :geek:

[Jamiee]

Hmm I don't know about this...
Its possible, but I feel like MJ has A LOT to do with the hoax. Its a hands-on job. He's the hand that's controlling it all, I don't believe this is all a job done by his family alone. ALSO I don't think everyone in his family are leeches... I mean, money changes everything. Once someone lucks in on a bunch of cash you'll see people changing drastically. But Michael loves his family, and I do to. I admire them. The Jacksons are a strange family but they have to have some good in them cause they have a really good foundation. After all that's been said and done, they still seem to be pretty close. Even though La Toya said those awful things about Michael, he still loves her and they still hungout together. Like when they noth went toy shopping with Prince and Paris that one time.. I don't think they're as bad as the media tires to make them out to be. Of course they all have theiir flaws, and things we don't like about them, but they must be doing something right.

[4evermichael71]

I guess this is plausible but what about all the inconsistencies? Why the fake ambulance pic etc..why "Gilda" in TII? IMO I don't think the family would say he was dead if he were in a coma or an invalid. I think they would want the fans prayers and support not mourning and grieving. Not at least, until that awful day would really come.

[neverlandprincess]

i dont believe it cos there is always someone wiling to sell a story,and if he was in a coma or something they would never keep it quite for ever no way.and anyway the family are always gonna be news especialy the kids so they couldnt be sneaking anywhere to visit him

Good point :!:

[neverlandprincess]

I guess this is plausible but what about all the inconsistencies? Why the fake ambulance pic etc..why "Gilda" in TII? IMO I don't think the family would say he was dead if he were in a coma or an invalid. I think they would want the fans prayers and support not mourning and grieving. Not at least, until that awful day would really come.

Great point! :!:  And I found you!!!!

[neverlandprincess]

Hmm I don't know about this...
Its possible, but I feel like MJ has A LOT to do with the hoax. Its a hands-on job. He's the hand that's controlling it all, I don't believe this is all a job done by his family alone. ALSO I don't think everyone in his family are leeches... I mean, money changes everything. Once someone lucks in on a bunch of cash you'll see people changing drastically. But Michael loves his family, and I do to. I admire them. The Jacksons are a strange family but they have to have some good in them cause they have a really good foundation. After all that's been said and done, they still seem to be pretty close. Even though La Toya said those awful things about Michael, he still loves her and they still hungout together. Like when they noth went toy shopping with Prince and Paris that one time.. I don't think they're as bad as the media tires to make them out to be. Of course they all have theiir flaws, and things we don't like about them, but they must be doing something right.

Thanks Jamie-we have to remember how close all the brothers and LAtoya stayed to Michael during his trial...something in me does not trust Jermaine all that much and I don't mind saying he made  a fool out of himself more than once. We are not gonna make much sense out of them either way...because we don't know everything.

[4evermichael71]

I guess this is plausible but what about all the inconsistencies? Why the fake ambulance pic etc..why "Gilda" in TII? IMO I don't think the family would say he was dead if he were in a coma or an invalid. I think they would want the fans prayers and support not mourning and grieving. Not at least, until that awful day would really come.

Great point! :!:  And I found you!!!!

Thank you and yes you did! YAY :D

[Harleyblonde]

It is possible I suppose but not very likely. Will have to think about this some more. I don't like what is written about his family though. It is written that all except Rebbie are leeches and have betrayed him, even his Mother Katherine. I think this is very unfair and why shouldn't Katherine benefit from Michaels wealth? -I am sure she sacrificed much with such a big family when they were very young and Michael loved his Mother dearly and am sure he found great joy in being in a position to spoil her with beautiful expensive gifts. Also unless anyone is a family member you cannot at all know what goes on in a family so I think it is wrong to write stuff regarding Michaels family with nothing to back it up. We all know that Jermaine and LaToya are enjoying boosting their careers since 25th but what is written makes all except Rebbie sound wicked. How does the writer know what went on and why is Rebbie excluded from these spiteful and unfounded remarks? I found it in very bad taste and disrespectful for this to be written-especially about Katherine.

[neverlandprincess]

Ok how did the argument get started about remarks on the family-we so far have agreed on this post that people and that includes us may have been unfair,but the post is regarding wether or not he could be in coma. I also don't remember anyone ever saying anything about wether or not his mom or kids hsould not get money-Even if we have been unfair we are only going by what has been said right out of Jermaines mouth...he has made no sense and LAtoya just talks -ALWAYS. So we were founded in our musings...I have not seen anything written about the other brothers or Janet for that matter-when things have been written about Janet I have always tried to keep tabs on it and remind people of where she has been coming from. SO-that being said can we not get into an argument about the family and keep post on the coma. :D

[neverlandprincess]

I guess this is plausible but what about all the inconsistencies? Why the fake ambulance pic etc..why "Gilda" in TII? IMO I don't think the family would say he was dead if he were in a coma or an invalid. I think they would want the fans prayers and support not mourning and grieving. Not at least, until that awful day would really come.

Great point! :!:  And I found you!!!!

Thank you and yes you did! YAY :D

Goodness-first post I have seen by you. I also can't find Annie.

[lisap27]

Ok how did the argument get started about remarks on the family-we so far have agreed on this post that people and that includes us may have been unfair,but the post is regarding wether or not he could be in coma. I also don't remember anyone ever saying anything about wether or not his mom or kids hsould not get money-Even if we have been unfair we are only going by what has been said right out of Jermaines mouth...he has made no sense and LAtoya just talks -ALWAYS. So we were founded in our musings...I have not seen anything written about the other brothers or Janet for that matter-when things have been written about Janet I have always tried to keep tabs on it and remind people of where she has been coming from. SO-that being said can we not get into an argument about the family and keep post on the coma. :D

well said.. i thought i was on the wrong thread for a minute then!! cos i only written obout his health so to speak!! hahaha

[Harleyblonde]

Ok how did the argument get started about remarks on the family-we so far have agreed on this post that people and that includes us may have been unfair,but the post is regarding wether or not he could be in coma. I also don't remember anyone ever saying anything about wether or not his mom or kids hsould not get money-Even if we have been unfair we are only going by what has been said right out of Jermaines mouth...he has made no sense and LAtoya just talks -ALWAYS. So we were founded in our musings...I have not seen anything written about the other brothers or Janet for that matter-when things have been written about Janet I have always tried to keep tabs on it and remind people of where she has been coming from. SO-that being said can we not get into an argument about the family and keep post on the coma. :D

What arguement?? If just stating your opinion of something and thinking there are unfair remarks made about Michaels Mother is argueing then I have spent my whole life not knowing what the word "argue" means. Michael has never publicly said anything bad about his family so why should we? what gives us the right when apart from maybe two obvious members of the family is just speculation. We all on this forum have our say in various things but we do not argue. Love and Peace.

[neverlandprincess]

Ok how did the argument get started about remarks on the family-we so far have agreed on this post that people and that includes us may have been unfair,but the post is regarding wether or not he could be in coma. I also don't remember anyone ever saying anything about wether or not his mom or kids hsould not get money-Even if we have been unfair we are only going by what has been said right out of Jermaines mouth...he has made no sense and LAtoya just talks -ALWAYS. So we were founded in our musings...I have not seen anything written about the other brothers or Janet for that matter-when things have been written about Janet I have always tried to keep tabs on it and remind people of where she has been coming from. SO-that being said can we not get into an argument about the family and keep post on the coma. :D

What arguement?? If just stating your opinion of something and thinking there are unfair remarks made about Michaels Mother is argueing then I have spent my whole life not knowing what the word "argue" means. Michael has never publicly said anything bad about his family so why should we? what gives us the right when apart from maybe two obvious members of the family is just speculation. We all on this forum have our say in various things but we do not argue. Love and Peace.

Ok-for one I am not arguing with you-just because someting was posted does not mean it was directed towards you. Yes it has been speculation and as I said the same in my post. What was written in the very first post was a copy and paste from MJHD-where a frusterated person ( a state where we have all been) vented and mused that the only way the families actions  would make sense is for him to be in a invalid state and not gone. If it were not for the actions of some family members then we would never have found the place we found ourselves now. As I said I have always tried to keep what matters at thje forefront of peoples minds..MJ never did say anything about his family ,even when they were hurting him publicly. Sorry I am not an argumentative person but we don't have to be immediately on the offense all of the time.

[Infinitylady]

HarleyBlonde:

It is possible I suppose but not very likely. Will have to think about this some more. I don't like what is written about his family though. It is written that all except Rebbie are leeches and have betrayed him, even his Mother Katherine. I think this is very unfair and why shouldn't Katherine benefit from Michaels wealth? -I am sure she sacrificed much with such a big family when they were very young and Michael loved his Mother dearly and am sure he found great joy in being in a position to spoil her with beautiful expensive gifts. Also unless anyone is a family member you cannot at all know what goes on in a family so I think it is wrong to write stuff regarding Michaels family with nothing to back it up. We all know that Jermaine and LaToya are enjoying boosting their careers since 25th but what is written makes all except Rebbie sound wicked. How does the writer know what went on and why is Rebbie excluded from these spiteful and unfounded remarks? I found it in very bad taste and disrespectful for this to be written-especially about Katherine.

First, I have to say I can't say if MJ is really in a coma. I did remember hearing about this prior to them finally said he was dead. No doubt, this was mentioned on the news and I will never forget that because I was on the phone with my friend that evening.

I know we have our own opinion and it is good to hear each other points even this one though I can't really agree with it all. Now, it could be possible because we don't know all that happened on June 25th that day. I do believe something is going on.  To say that Katherine Jackson is leeching....welllllll.....Michael has given his mother endowments/gifts so again, we don't know.  If I was in MJs position and knowing that we as a family had come from humbling beginnings such as himself I probably would have given my mother money to make sure she didn't have to worry about working for anyone else again.  My mother is now 61 and she is near retirement and still working.  She had to scuffle to make ends meet for myself and I must say honestly, I didn't always have a good relationship with my mother in the past, however, because of the Christ in me still and I have learned to forgive her of the things in the past such as MJ has done with his own father as well, I still wanted to bless her to where she was taken care of.  Maybe there are some who wouldn't do that but I probably would.  

I know this family has been through much and may have done some things but I just can't say for sure if this could be the "end all".  I pray it hasn't happened this way.  I do pray for the family as well as the children for peace. I am sure they need it whether MJ is there or not.

[neverlandprincess]

HarleyBlonde:

It is possible I suppose but not very likely. Will have to think about this some more. I don't like what is written about his family though. It is written that all except Rebbie are leeches and have betrayed him, even his Mother Katherine. I think this is very unfair and why shouldn't Katherine benefit from Michaels wealth? -I am sure she sacrificed much with such a big family when they were very young and Michael loved his Mother dearly and am sure he found great joy in being in a position to spoil her with beautiful expensive gifts. Also unless anyone is a family member you cannot at all know what goes on in a family so I think it is wrong to write stuff regarding Michaels family with nothing to back it up. We all know that Jermaine and LaToya are enjoying boosting their careers since 25th but what is written makes all except Rebbie sound wicked. How does the writer know what went on and why is Rebbie excluded from these spiteful and unfounded remarks? I found it in very bad taste and disrespectful for this to be written-especially about Katherine.

First, I have to say I can't say if MJ is really in a coma. I did remember hearing about this prior to them finally said he was dead. No doubt, this was mentioned on the news and I will never forget that because I was on the phone with my friend that evening.

I know we have our own opinion and it is good to hear each other points even this one though I can't really agree with it all. Now, it could be possible because we don't know all that happened on June 25th that day. I do believe something is going on.  To say that Katherine Jackson is leeching....welllllll.....Michael has given his mother endowments/gifts so again, we don't know.  If I was in MJs position and knowing that we as a family had come from humbling beginnings such as himself I probably would have given my mother money to make sure she didn't have to worry about working for anyone else again.  My mother is now 61 and she is near retirement and still working.  She had to scuffle to make ends meet for myself and I must say honestly, I didn't always have a good relationship with my mother in the past, however, because of the Christ in me still and I have learned to forgive her of the things in the past such as MJ has done with his own father as well, I still wanted to bless her to where she was taken care of.  Maybe there are some who wouldn't do that but I probably would.  

I know this family has been through much and may have done some things but I just can't say for sure if this could be the "end all".  I pray it hasn't happened this way.  I do pray for the family as well as the children for peace. I am sure they need it whether MJ is there or not.

Well said  :D  I hope dearly this has not ahppened as well..I would so much rather know this then to think he was dead...of course he may rather people think that he is dead then to think of him as an invalid. Who knows?

[dyanne]

Well, this makes a lot of sense and explains the inconsistencies... BUT! If he were invalid or in a coma or whatever he would definitely need professional medical care, like doctors and nurses. So, knowing that only a picture of him in that state would bring them millions WHO would resist this temptation??? I doubt that the family would pay so well that not even ONE person wouldn't betray. I mean, yes, I know I wouldn't for all the money in the world. And neither would all of you guys. But we would protect him no matter what. So I doubt that the family could put together a medical staff that would be both very professional AND dedicated to him.
I guess this is the only weakness of the MJHD poster's theory

[neverlandprincess]

Well, this makes a lot of sense and explains the inconsistencies... BUT! If he were invalid or in a coma or whatever he would definitely need professional medical care, like doctors and nurses. So, knowing that only a picture of him in that state would bring them millions WHO would resist this temptation??? I doubt that the family would pay so well that not even ONE person wouldn't betray. I mean, yes, I know I wouldn't for all the money in the world. And neither would all of you guys. But we would protect him no matter what. So I doubt that the family could put together a medical staff that would be both very professional AND dedicated to him.
I guess this is the only weakness of the MJHD poster's theory

I think so...but it would explain remarks made in present tense...like Joe saying 'I wish he could see this' and 'He loves the fans and misses them"...also Janet in the interview saying "he was no longer...."....Jermaine saying "we are going to miss you man" AND Paris saying 'I love him so much"...I dunno -this is a sad scenario.