What wll make you stop believing?

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What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:26:35 PM
This has been on my mind recently. Especially since TMZ said that Conrad Murray will be charged as early as this week.  So what would make you completely stop believing he is alive? For me it will be if Murray gets charged and he's in jail. They cannot put a man in jail if Michael is really alive.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:35:11 PM
Last Sunday  at the Grammy's I thought if those kids say something like about their daddy being in heaven , that would be it for me but I'm still here. They didn't convince me.
And Murray doesn't worry me at all! 8-)
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:41:36 PM
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Last Sunday  at the Grammy's I thought if those kids say something like about their daddy being in heaven , that would be it for me but I'm still here. They didn't convince me.
And Murray doesn't worry me at all! 8-)

So if Murray goes to jail you still think Michael would be alive?I really doubt they would go that far.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:43:02 PM
Nothing.  Come too far to believe otherwise.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:47:47 PM
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Last Sunday  at the Grammy's I thought if those kids say something like about their daddy being in heaven , that would be it for me but I'm still here. They didn't convince me.
And Murray doesn't worry me at all! 8-)

So if Murray goes to jail you still think Michael would be alive?I really doubt they would go that far.


What If that trial will be another fake just like the Child-Support trial of Conrad Murray?

The judge is pensioned since July 2008....and the money on the desk was also fake....
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 04:51:14 PM
We'll see tomorrow morning!
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:00:02 PM
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Last Sunday  at the Grammy's I thought if those kids say something like about their daddy being in heaven , that would be it for me but I'm still here. They didn't convince me.
And Murray doesn't worry me at all! 8-)

So if Murray goes to jail you still think Michael would be alive?I really doubt they would go that far.


What If that trial will be another fake just like the Child-Support trial of Conrad Murray?

The judge is pensioned since July 2008....and the money on the desk was also fake....

Oh I never looked into the child-support trial. That makes sense.  But can they fake him going to jail?

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We'll see tomorrow morning!

Is the court case or whatever tomorrow morning?
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:03:59 PM
It will not worry me if he goes to jail because it will probably be fake anyway, besides videos has anyone
really seen Murray. and even if they do a court hearing and they zoom in on garbage cans again you know it fake again..

What ever happens I still refuse to believe that everything that happened from the 25th June is real..

From the words of Judge Judy :  if it doesn't make sense it NOT REAL.........

Keep the faith
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:06:42 PM
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We'll see tomorrow morning!


no there will be nothing this week.... HIs Lawyer said...There are no charges to be set this week
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:10:07 PM
If Murray gets a death-penalty and die... Or a very very hard punishment except death.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:29:18 PM
At this point, I really don't know for sure.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:36:32 PM
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This has been on my mind recently. Especially since TMZ said that Conrad Murray will be charged as early as this week.  So what would make you completely stop believing he is alive? For me it will be if Murray gets charged and he's in jail. They cannot put a man in jail if Michael is really alive.
I will stop believing when i see murrays ass in jail for a long long time :) , a REAL grave with michael name engraved into it , Oh and when all these clues and slip ups stop happening :D hows that ;) or if he doesnt pop up within the next somewhat ten years :D haha
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:37:28 PM
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This has been on my mind recently. Especially since TMZ said that Conrad Murray will be charged as early as this week.  So what would make you completely stop believing he is alive? For me it will be if Murray gets charged and he's in jail. They cannot put a man in jail if Michael is really alive.
I will stop believing when i see murrays ass in jail for a long long time :) , a REAL grave with michael name engraved into it , Oh and when all these clues and slip ups stop happening :D hows that ;) or if he doesnt pop up within the next somewhat ten years :D haha


AGree ! :)
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:38:25 PM
Hello Friends,
Has a blog here in Brazil I wrote a comment yesterday regarding this situation the doctor will repeat here:

If Conrad is even arrested, for me it is a case definition. It is the confirmation of the death of Michael. I can not believe that Michael guy ever in his life preached peace, charity, would leave someone stuck on behalf of a large armed macabre theater. Forgive the title I gave, because this story has become that. If Michael lives and this guy is a prisoner, it is selfishness on your part. Yesterday came the news that the lawyers would seek to exhume the body for further tests because the base defense is to prove that Michael was hooked for much longer, and that a small dose of propofol was only the trigger, it just smacks of more a detail to slow the situation and while that time passes ....
Add: Even though everything has been well planned, no one in this life or lose his freedom in prison for someone.
Even though this is Michael Jackson.  :(
I put this blog here below.

Read more: http://www.alucinada50.blogspot.com/ # ixzz0eQ6b4t4B
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:38:33 PM
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It will not worry me if he goes to jail because it will probably be fake anyway, besides videos has anyone
really seen Murray. and even if they do a court hearing and they zoom in on garbage cans again you know it fake again..

What ever happens I still refuse to believe that everything that happened from the 25th June is real..

From the words of Judge Judy :  if it doesn't make sense it NOT REAL.........

Keep the faith
it depends how long he gets, if he gets a very short time then itll be obvious he got paid to play along, but if he gets a really long time and im talking years, then i dont think anyone in their right mind would suffer through jail for years just for money. lol so im depending on how much time he gets.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 05:39:27 PM
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This has been on my mind recently. Especially since TMZ said that Conrad Murray will be charged as early as this week.  So what would make you completely stop believing he is alive? For me it will be if Murray gets charged and he's in jail. They cannot put a man in jail if Michael is really alive.
I will stop believing when i see murrays ass in jail for a long long time :) , a REAL grave with michael name engraved into it , Oh and when all these clues and slip ups stop happening :D hows that ;) or if he doesnt pop up within the next somewhat ten years :D haha


AGree ! :)
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 06:08:31 PM
cold hard evidence that he is dead. Like a picture or something. I don't know.

But sometimes its hard to keep believing though... This girl I follow on Tumblr had said something about all the mj hoax death posts on her dashboard... She said that Michael would never do such a thing. Knowing he hurt his fans by "dying" and leaving them.. She brought up some good points, and it made me sit back and think.... But I still believe.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 06:15:43 PM
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cold hard evidence that he is dead. Like a picture or something. I don't know.

But sometimes its hard to keep believing though... This girl I follow on Tumblr had said something about all the mj hoax death posts on her dashboard... She said that Michael would never do such a thing. Knowing he hurt his fans by "dying" and leaving them.. She brought up some good points, and it made me sit back and think.... But I still believe.


Nobody can say for sure if he would do that or not... Noone of us knows him personally
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 06:30:46 PM
Yeah you're definately right.. But he just loves his fans so much, its odd to think he'd do this. But there's so many clues at this point its hard NOT to believe.. My fear is that these are just normal happenings and people are reading too far into them. Which I do doubt.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 06:42:30 PM
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 02, 2010, 07:14:34 PM
I will stop believing when Murray is in Prison for the death of Michael Jackson.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 03, 2010, 05:15:21 PM
I'll be a little harsh in my comment.
All of us in these 7 months, researched, debated, investigated.
For me if the doctor is actually indicted, confirms the death of Michael.
But there is something very interesting in all this.
The Jackson Family.
Let's be realistic, the brother never forgave Michael remoteness, remember the special broadcast here in the Brazilian tvs, his mother in the affidavit, asked not to take Michael to the group, everyone knew he was the soul and voice that gave life to the Jackson 5 .
If this definition is that Murray arrested, that only confirms that family, took advantage of his brother's death, they wanted to explore in 7 months and bill in every way possible over the name Michael.
Me is a form of revenge, "You abandoned us So now you will pay us back what is rightfully ours."
So many clues, messages stressing, details grammy, videos, photos and etc ... for what?
Who did it then?
Answer: Your sister!
They are taking advantage of every form, because the wound in the hearts of fans around the world is still open, while they continue to play tracks that I begin to think they are all fake, the fans will continue to spend their hard earned money on dvds, cds, all for clues that are false, they do everything in order to explore, to make money using the picture of Michael, why not buy and not buy anything until all this is fully defined.
And it seems that this torture is coming to an end.
Forgive the long text but this is my vent.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 03, 2010, 05:26:14 PM
I would stop believing when murray s sitting in jail...but a smany analyst already said back in june (laurie levenson or whatever her name is was one of them) "this might never happen"

On TMZ they announced all day he would be charged and suddenly out of the blue: "Murray not charged today" and I quote: "
Dr. Murray's Lawyer -- No Plan to Surrender
Posted Feb 3rd 2010 1:26PM by TMZ Staff

Dr. Conrad Murray's lawyer says he's in the dark -- and doesn't even know if the D.A. will file charges in the death of Michael Jackson.



They said he faces up to 4 years which is the max for that in california...with a good lawyer i highly doubt he would put one feet in jail ever...and the man was almost broke, he had everything to gain from takin part in the hoax.......
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 03, 2010, 05:38:57 PM
I'll stop believing when Junr 2010 will pass away.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 03, 2010, 05:49:20 PM
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This has been on my mind recently. Especially since TMZ said that Conrad Murray will be charged as early as this week. So what would make you completely stop believing he is alive? For me it will be if Murray gets charged and he's in jail. They cannot put a man in jail if Michael is really alive.
Suppose Murray tried to murder Michael but Michael survived, Murray would still be prosecuted.

Everybody seems to forget that an ATTEMPTED murder is also a criminal offence and would also be investigated and prosecuted. It does not matter if the victim survives, it is still a crime.

When someone tries to murder but fails, there will ALSO be a medical examination of the victim (blood tests, biopsy tests etc), there will ALSO be a criminal investigation and there will ALSO be a prosecution.
Even if the victim would get official protection for instance within a WPP.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 03, 2010, 10:57:06 PM
i will never stop beLIEving.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 03, 2010, 11:26:40 PM
I don't know. I'd like to say I'll never stop believing. Change is my biggest fear. Or maybe it's more the loss aspect of change. I'm afraid to lose my belief in this. I just pray he comes back someday, so we're not 90 years old at some nursing home sitting on the computer investigating this...Or worse 90 years old at some nursing home devestated because we've accepted he's dead. Or even worse 90 years old at some nursing home with Alzheimers and can't remember who MJ is... :?
I need to sleep. :lol:
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 12:17:30 AM
#1, when the family comes out and say, they feel ashamed of or disrespeced by michaels fans that are believing he is alive. them saying this directly to us would mean a lot to me.
 
      #2, of course is if mr. murray goes to jail, and im not talking about for a child support case either.

i believe with all my heart that michael is alive, but something is not right, what if im wrong or somone is playing a very sick joke on us. but my dreams, that ive been having since late april, early may, and heart tells me otherwise. but what if... i just cannot bring myself to saying it, because it makes me physically ill, but what if he is no longer, someone needs to give us answers, we are michael's army of L.O.V.E., not his enemies. like our precious prince said, we have been here for michael no matter what, and i will be here for as long as it takes as long as one of these things two things dont happen. well these are my feelings, thanx to all my mj fam. AND THANK YOU MICHAEL, I LOVE YOU, AND I WILL BE HERE.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 12:29:14 AM
U know, I was thinking that if Murray goes to jail I will stop believing that MJ is alive. But that doctor is so shady, some people even say that its not his real name etc. And this stuff with him being arrested going on..... Im just soooo positive on my thoughts that MJ will come back. I dont know if anything can convince me now to stop believing! :D
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 01:29:22 AM
I really have no Idea. Maybe the Day Joe Jackson shed's a tear, Then I'll start to worry. But I'm almost positive that won't happen any time soon... ;)
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 01:41:57 AM
I will never stop believing too many unanswered questions.  I  will stop believing when I die and go to heaven to be with Jesus.  I love MJ too much to ever trying to find out what happened to him.  The whole Murray case in the press seems so wrong too me.  I am tried of the press lying to the fans and hurting us.  MJ is a precious angel send from heaven.  MJ, we all love you more than words could ever express.  You leave all your fans Speechless! ;)
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 02:21:12 AM
I will stop believe the day I see his dead body, and his REAL dead body that is. But that will never happen.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 12:53:24 PM
I will stop believing when I die and I see Michael :P Or on the day when he REALLY dies.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 01:04:46 PM
I was thinking about this the other day when I was trying to explain why I believe Michael is alive and why I can't let go. I said: "Seeing it. Seeing his dead body." And all of a sudden I realized that it's basically too late. They've left no traces. They buried him without ever showing him to us, they buried him anonymously, they made sure we'll never see. It's like having lost someone in a plane accident and his corpse never being found. Do you think these people will ever let go? I don't. The death of a loved one is something that you have to see to believe. Period.

So, unless they have footage of the autopsy or real photographic evidence, nothing will help me let go, nothing will make me stop believing, even though I have terrible doubts every now and then. But I can't let my Michael go if I don't even know for sure he's dead. Never ever.  :cry:
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 01:15:51 PM
Erm for me it would have to be when/if Murray goes to jail or when the Jackson family personally address us hoax believers to tell us that he has indeed passed.

But until that day comes I'm still a beLIEver
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 01:21:37 PM
I believe in God so much.
I believe in good souls.
Michael is a good soul, so i truly believe in him.
And i believe, that as long as the Earth needs him more than the Heaven, God will not take him away.
And we need him. More.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 02:54:32 PM
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I was thinking about this the other day when I was trying to explain why I believe Michael is alive and why I can't let go. I said: "Seeing it. Seeing his dead body." And all of a sudden I realized that it's basically too late. They've left no traces. They buried him without ever showing him to us, they buried him anonymously, they made sure we'll never see. It's like having lost someone in a plane accident and his corpse never being found. Do you think these people will ever let go? I don't. The death of a loved one is something that you have to see to believe. Period.

So, unless they have footage of the autopsy or real photographic evidence, nothing will help me let go, nothing will make me stop believing, even though I have terrible doubts every now and then. But I can't let my Michael go if I don't even know for sure he's dead. Never ever.  :cry:
You know, you are so right ! I too feel that they have taken something from us,because we never got a real chance to say goodbye. That is, if he is really dead. But on the other hand, I dont think he will ever comeback anyway..... Its very frustrating :(
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 06:46:06 PM
The Jacksons are well and truly aware that this forum exists, along with all the other MJ sites on the net.  IF Michael is dead, they owe it to all of us to put us out of our misery and come out and say quite clearly with no riddles, that our beloved Michael is dead.  And then show us some proof.

IFMicahel is dead then the Jacksons are perpetuating this hoax in their insane greed for more and more fame and money (Not until June 25th did a lot of people know half of them).  They bitterly resented Michael for breaking with the band and going solo.  They knew he was the talent of the family.  Without him they were zilch.  Now, this is their big moment of glory, grabbing back some of the fame they felt was meant for them that they lost, because Michael outshone them all.

IF they are witholding from us, it will be brought about by bitterness and greed, and yes, maybe vengeance.  And IF it's true, then Michael was right all along... they are parasites.  It's not his money they want this time... it's ours.

Sorry guys... reading about this theory on some of the posts here made me so angry to think it could be true.
It's the Murray thing.  Will they won't they etc etc  Doing my head in  :(
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 07:35:01 PM
Nothing will change my mind.  My eyes are wide open.  Michael IS Alive!  Period.. :mrgreen:
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 10:33:44 PM
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Nothing will change my mind.  My eyes are wide open.  Michael IS Alive!  Period.. :mrgreen:

Same here :mrgreen:
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 04, 2010, 11:27:30 PM
I will always believe. There are too many inconsistencies to not believe that he is alive.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 02:21:35 AM
For me, there are some times when I feel like Michael is never going to come back, dead or alive.
But there come some times when I truly think he is alive! I feel it in my gut!
I will never stop believing in Michael. Never. Neber Eber.  :)
The only thing that could separate me from Michael is if God came down himself, slapped me across the face, and told me to SNAP OUT OF IT!  :lol:
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 04:35:43 AM
loma, wow, sometimes i feel the same way too! But also, there are times when i have terrible doubts as well. Let me admit, from the begining of November, i'm really not sure if he's alive. But i still can't give up. My instincts say he's alive. More than the proofs, i follow my instincts at the moment. That's why it sometimes gets really hard, you know i feel like am i acting like a retard?? But hey, i didn't see a body, i saw two different funerals, i didn't see Paris's tear, i saw the mask man at the halloween theme park and i did see dave dave. I just can't believe he's gone.

The day i'll believe he's really dead will be when the family directly in simple words tells us to let it go cause Michael died, and if i feel they're not lying. If i see the kids crying real tears i will quit.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 04:58:05 AM
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loma, wow, sometimes i feel the same way too! But also, there are times when i have terrible doubts as well. Let me admit, from the begining of November, i'm really not sure if he's alive. But i still can't give up. My instincts say he's alive. More than the proofs, i follow my instincts at the moment. That's why it sometimes gets really hard, you know i feel like am i acting like a retard?? But hey, i didn't see a body, i saw two different funerals, i didn't see Paris's tear, i saw the mask man at the halloween theme park and i did see dave dave. I just can't believe he's gone.

The day i'll believe he's really dead will be when the family directly in simple words tells us to let it go cause Michael died, and if i feel they're not lying. If i see the kids crying real tears i will quit.

I get called a retard all the time!  :?  I don't know why the Jacksons don't just come out and hint harder! Even on twitter or something!
I agree with some of the people on here, saying that they only want their 15 seconds of fame, but this is too much. They're keeping us from the troot, and it's not fair. They KNOW Mike was against the media, and so were his real fans. It's time they address us REAL fans and tell us.

EDIT: Even if he is alive yet gone, don't stop caring about him. He had an extraordinary life, and he deserves this privacy!  :) If he decides to come back, that's just great!
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 05:19:48 AM
I will always believe. I know in my heart he is alive. I'm not afraid of what happens to Murray, we will never know what happened from him till Michael says to tell.
As Molly says I hope something happens before I am 90 and I still know who Michael Jackson is!  :lol:
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 06:23:34 AM
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The Jacksons are well and truly aware that this forum exists, along with all the other MJ sites on the net.  IF Michael is dead, they owe it to all of us to put us out of our misery and come out and say quite clearly with no riddles, that our beloved Michael is dead.  And then show us some proof.

IFMicahel is dead then the Jacksons are perpetuating this hoax in their insane greed for more and more fame and money (Not until June 25th did a lot of people know half of them).  They bitterly resented Michael for breaking with the band and going solo.  They knew he was the talent of the family.  Without him they were zilch.  Now, this is their big moment of glory, grabbing back some of the fame they felt was meant for them that they lost, because Michael outshone them all.

IF they are witholding from us, it will be brought about by bitterness and greed, and yes, maybe vengeance.  And IF it's true, then Michael was right all along... they are parasites.  It's not his money they want this time... it's ours.

Sorry guys... reading about this theory on some of the posts here made me so angry to think it could be true.
It's the Murray thing.  Will they won't they etc etc  Doing my head in  :(

*underlines everything you wrote* You are 100% right, this is what I'm feeling all the time, but usually people just bash you for talking bad about Michael's family. Wow, as if being his family made them SAINTS? They do owe something to us. I said from the very beginning, if Michael is NOT alive, they seem to want us to believe he is. Cause some speculation, keep people interested.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 06:47:52 AM
Nothin' and noone can make me stop believing that he's alive,i've seen a lot of clues since june 25 to be absolutely sure that he's ALIVE, if you asked me the same question a couple of months ago, i would say that when Murray is jailed it will mean that Mike is dead, but now i have learned enough not to loose my belief cause of such things, even if Murray is jailed for a short period of time(and i'm sure if he is jailed it would be for a very short time), i will always know that it's a part of agreement between him and Mike,it's a part of hoax.So i will always believe no matter what, i have always believed in Mike, i have always put my trust in him and he never let me down,i'm sure that this time too he will not,keep the faith :D
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 07:28:21 AM
Probably, the only things that would really make me worry would be, either leaked autopsy photos (that are real/confirmed by the coroner) or when the Jackson family comes out and says something to the effect of the hoax theories being hurtful/etc...

However, if there's anything the recent 7 months have taught me, it's that there's nothing the Jacksons couldn't fake.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 12:26:07 PM
I'm new to this forum, but I wanted to comment on the Doc. Murray thing...


I don't think that him going to jail means that Michael is for sure dead. And I'm shocked that a lot of you do, considering you've been BeLIEvers much longer than I have. To me, from what I've read and seen on hoax forums and videos.... it wouldn't be beyond belief that Doc. Murray could be put in jail (or at least by our perception), just to continue on with the hoax.

Think about it; many MJ fans believe Doc. Murray is responsible for MJ's death. The fans get madder and madder each day that Murray is NOT convicted, or at least brought up on charges. This is something that HAS to be pursued. IDK what you guys think, but the MAJORITY of MJ fans are NOT BeLIEvers. The majority of fans have an emotional barrier up. Won't listen to tales of Illuminati, or faked deaths, because it's too confusing, scary, and painful, and they're already hurting. On one of the boards I'm on, fans post about being sad and crying every day, and it's been over seven months.

I still cry, myself. I think he may be alive somewhere, but his life story in general is just so sad, and things are just so unfair... it hurts me.

So, it's my opinion that they HAVE to pursue charging Doc. Murray, and they may even go as far as to throw him in jail. Remember, everything isn't as it seems... just because he's arrested, thrown in jail, etc... that doesn't mean it's NOT a hoax. That just means that they're going the distance.

NOTHING else about MJ's death makes sense. NOTHING. And NOBODY'S stories are the same, nothing connects. He was sick, he wasn't, he was in perfect health, he was too frail to do 50 shows, he died in his room, Murray's room, Prince saw him, Prince didn't see him, Prince was called into the room to witness Dr. Murray try to revive Michael... that's just the accounts of the days leading up to the 25th, alone. NONE of it matches, or makes sense, and no one has sense cleared it up.

And it bothers me that NO ONE will dismiss the hoax death rumors. There are no official statements. And a lot of "double talk."

I believed MJ was dead for upwards of seven months, and recently, things just started to bother me. Like the Grammy Memorial thing, with NO MENTION of MJ. Also TMZ. And Prince's "your fan- the fans" slip. That made me say "wait a minute... let me see what those BeLIEvers have been talking about..."

Things are just TOO weird... and I don't think you guys should give up over Doc. Murray going to jail.

MJ isn't stupid. If he was going to do this, he'd have already realized that this might happen. And for Murray, with MJ fans being as crazy as they are, he's probably better off in jail. It's better than ending up dead. And you know some crazy MJ fan would....
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 05, 2010, 01:11:47 PM
I will never stop believing that something is up with this whole thing, but i might change my opinion of what exactly happened if someone tells the ruth about what exactly happened and was able to convince me ! Alive or not things just dont add up!
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 12:13:40 AM
COMSENSE, thanks for your post. It really helped. The reason why we the longtime beLIEvers seem to lose the faith now is that we ARE longtime beLIEvers. We've been beliving for months. I started believing back in july or august, august i would guess. We have been in this L-O-N-G tiresome stressful journey for so long. We've had enough, all that is happening now is accessive for us. I kind of envy the new believers, cause i remember when i realized it was a hoax for the first time, it felt like a "great adventure" to me but now it's a nightmare which i want to end soon and end with happiness. You can say i've been selfish or desperate but being a believer from almost the begining it does get hard.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 12:28:46 AM
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COMSENSE, thanks for your post. It really helped. The reason why we the longtime beLIEvers seem to lose the faith now is that we ARE longtime beLIEvers. We've been beliving for months. I started believing back in july or august, august i would guess. We have been in this L-O-N-G tiresome stressful journey for so long. We've had enough, all that is happening now is accessive for us. I kind of envy the new believers, cause i remember when i realized it was a hoax for the first time, it felt like a "great adventure" to me but now it's a nightmare which i want to end soon and end with happiness. You can say i've been selfish or desperate but being a believer from almost the begining it does get hard.

Yeah. I envy the new beLIEvers too, since they have fresh minds and aren't fried from all this stress.
Sometimes I just break down at random times, like in class, since this is getting really hard for me emotionally. The other day, "You Are Not Alone" came on at the grocery store, and I just sat and bawled my eyes out. People stared.  :( I really hope Michael understands what he's doing to me, because it's just breaking my heart.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 01:02:57 AM
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COMSENSE, thanks for your post. It really helped. The reason why we the longtime beLIEvers seem to lose the faith now is that we ARE longtime beLIEvers. We've been beliving for months. I started believing back in july or august, august i would guess. We have been in this L-O-N-G tiresome stressful journey for so long. We've had enough, all that is happening now is accessive for us. I kind of envy the new believers, cause i remember when i realized it was a hoax for the first time, it felt like a "great adventure" to me but now it's a nightmare which i want to end soon and end with happiness. You can say i've been selfish or desperate but being a believer from almost the begining it does get hard.

Yeah. I envy the new beLIEvers too, since they have fresh minds and aren't fried from all this stress.
Sometimes I just break down at random times, like in class, since this is getting really hard for me emotionally. The other day, "You Are Not Alone" came on at the grocery store, and I just sat and bawled my eyes out. People stared.  :( I really hope Michael understands what he's doing to me, because it's just breaking my heart.


I understand what you're saying, Ioma.  I feel the same -- sometimes.  Here's a song and "message" from Michael to give us hope.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHnYugPDNeE
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 01:20:10 AM
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I understand what you're saying, Ioma.  I feel the same -- sometimes.  Here's a song and "message" from Michael to give us hope.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHnYugPDNeE

 Thanks, that's a really great song!
I'd never heard it before.
It should be like the official hoaxdeath song!
 :)
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 01:30:29 AM
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I understand what you're saying, Ioma.  I feel the same -- sometimes.  Here's a song and "message" from Michael to give us hope.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHnYugPDNeE

 Thanks, that's a really great song!
I'd never heard it before.
It should be like the official hoaxdeath song!
 :)

Yes, it should be the official song for us.  It is a great song - Michael must have been 16 or 17 when he recorded it. Wow.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 01:42:00 AM
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I'm new to this forum, but I wanted to comment on the Doc. Murray thing...


I don't think that him going to jail means that Michael is for sure dead. And I'm shocked that a lot of you do, considering you've been BeLIEvers much longer than I have. To me, from what I've read and seen on hoax forums and videos.... it wouldn't be beyond belief that Doc. Murray could be put in jail (or at least by our perception), just to continue on with the hoax.

Think about it; many MJ fans believe Doc. Murray is responsible for MJ's death. The fans get madder and madder each day that Murray is NOT convicted, or at least brought up on charges. This is something that HAS to be pursued. IDK what you guys think, but the MAJORITY of MJ fans are NOT BeLIEvers. The majority of fans have an emotional barrier up. Won't listen to tales of Illuminati, or faked deaths, because it's too confusing, scary, and painful, and they're already hurting. On one of the boards I'm on, fans post about being sad and crying every day, and it's been over seven months.

I still cry, myself. I think he may be alive somewhere, but his life story in general is just so sad, and things are just so unfair... it hurts me.

So, it's my opinion that they HAVE to pursue charging Doc. Murray, and they may even go as far as to throw him in jail. Remember, everything isn't as it seems... just because he's arrested, thrown in jail, etc... that doesn't mean it's NOT a hoax. That just means that they're going the distance.

NOTHING else about MJ's death makes sense. NOTHING. And NOBODY'S stories are the same, nothing connects. He was sick, he wasn't, he was in perfect health, he was too frail to do 50 shows, he died in his room, Murray's room, Prince saw him, Prince didn't see him, Prince was called into the room to witness Dr. Murray try to revive Michael... that's just the accounts of the days leading up to the 25th, alone. NONE of it matches, or makes sense, and no one has sense cleared it up.

And it bothers me that NO ONE will dismiss the hoax death rumors. There are no official statements. And a lot of "double talk."

I believed MJ was dead for upwards of seven months, and recently, things just started to bother me. Like the Grammy Memorial thing, with NO MENTION of MJ. Also TMZ. And Prince's "your fan- the fans" slip. That made me say "wait a minute... let me see what those BeLIEvers have been talking about..."

Things are just TOO weird... and I don't think you guys should give up over Doc. Murray going to jail.

MJ isn't stupid. If he was going to do this, he'd have already realized that this might happen. And for Murray, with MJ fans being as crazy as they are, he's probably better off in jail. It's better than ending up dead. And you know some crazy MJ fan would....

I completely agree.... I talk about this yesterday in another post.... all these Murray going to jail is for non believers to realize how ridiculous is everything....

We need that the fans that are still crying see reality....  I don´t know if you´re talking about the same forum... but I´ve been in one where everybody think he´s dead and they simply tired me.... they are so blind.... they don´t even discuss the weird things.... it´s frustrating... someone has to slap them in the face....
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 01:44:04 AM
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COMSENSE, thanks for your post. It really helped. The reason why we the longtime beLIEvers seem to lose the faith now is that we ARE longtime beLIEvers. We've been beliving for months. I started believing back in july or august, august i would guess. We have been in this L-O-N-G tiresome stressful journey for so long. We've had enough, all that is happening now is accessive for us. I kind of envy the new believers, cause i remember when i realized it was a hoax for the first time, it felt like a "great adventure" to me but now it's a nightmare which i want to end soon and end with happiness. You can say i've been selfish or desperate but being a believer from almost the begining it does get hard.

Agree with you. I've been in this adventure since August and it's like a torture to me lately. And I started to ask myself if Michael would make us wait this long and left us alone with the  news of Murray getting arrested and all his family calling us crazy :( I don't know but I've started to lose my hope :(
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 01:50:44 AM
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COMSENSE, thanks for your post. It really helped. The reason why we the longtime beLIEvers seem to lose the faith now is that we ARE longtime beLIEvers. We've been beliving for months. I started believing back in july or august, august i would guess. We have been in this L-O-N-G tiresome stressful journey for so long. We've had enough, all that is happening now is accessive for us. I kind of envy the new believers, cause i remember when i realized it was a hoax for the first time, it felt like a "great adventure" to me but now it's a nightmare which i want to end soon and end with happiness. You can say i've been selfish or desperate but being a believer from almost the begining it does get hard.

Agree with you. I've been in this adventure since August and it's like a torture to me lately. And I started to ask myself if Michael would make us wait this long and left us alone with the  news of Murray getting arrested and all his family calling us crazy :( I don't know but I've started to lose my hope :(

i don't know what to say to condole you.... cause i have been feeling the same as well. but the song SoldierofLOVE posted.... listen to it. it may help.

Mike, please don't leave us hanging here forever, i know you won't... right?  :cry:
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 02:01:43 AM
Wow! He sounds so mature!

Quote from: "SoldierofLOVE"
Michael must have been 16 or 17 when he recorded it.

~If Michael is alive, I really hope he will give us some sort of sign.
Lots of his most loyal fans are losing faith!  :cry:

~ I'm not saying he should do something obvious.. that's dangerous.
We just need to back up, look at the big picture, and make our own opinions on what he is trying to tell us.

~ The Jacksons have no right to call us crazy.They hide so much and deny it, when it's obvious.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 02:02:10 AM
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I'm new to this forum, but I wanted to comment on the Doc. Murray thing...


I don't think that him going to jail means that Michael is for sure dead. And I'm shocked that a lot of you do, considering you've been BeLIEvers much longer than I have. To me, from what I've read and seen on hoax forums and videos.... it wouldn't be beyond belief that Doc. Murray could be put in jail (or at least by our perception), just to continue on with the hoax.

Think about it; many MJ fans believe Doc. Murray is responsible for MJ's death. The fans get madder and madder each day that Murray is NOT convicted, or at least brought up on charges. This is something that HAS to be pursued. IDK what you guys think, but the MAJORITY of MJ fans are NOT BeLIEvers. The majority of fans have an emotional barrier up. Won't listen to tales of Illuminati, or faked deaths, because it's too confusing, scary, and painful, and they're already hurting. On one of the boards I'm on, fans post about being sad and crying every day, and it's been over seven months.

I still cry, myself. I think he may be alive somewhere, but his life story in general is just so sad, and things are just so unfair... it hurts me.

So, it's my opinion that they HAVE to pursue charging Doc. Murray, and they may even go as far as to throw him in jail. Remember, everything isn't as it seems... just because he's arrested, thrown in jail, etc... that doesn't mean it's NOT a hoax. That just means that they're going the distance.

NOTHING else about MJ's death makes sense. NOTHING. And NOBODY'S stories are the same, nothing connects. He was sick, he wasn't, he was in perfect health, he was too frail to do 50 shows, he died in his room, Murray's room, Prince saw him, Prince didn't see him, Prince was called into the room to witness Dr. Murray try to revive Michael... that's just the accounts of the days leading up to the 25th, alone. NONE of it matches, or makes sense, and no one has sense cleared it up.

And it bothers me that NO ONE will dismiss the hoax death rumors. There are no official statements. And a lot of "double talk."

I believed MJ was dead for upwards of seven months, and recently, things just started to bother me. Like the Grammy Memorial thing, with NO MENTION of MJ. Also TMZ. And Prince's "your fan- the fans" slip. That made me say "wait a minute... let me see what those BeLIEvers have been talking about..."

Things are just TOO weird... and I don't think you guys should give up over Doc. Murray going to jail.

MJ isn't stupid. If he was going to do this, he'd have already realized that this might happen. And for Murray, with MJ fans being as crazy as they are, he's probably better off in jail. It's better than ending up dead. And you know some crazy MJ fan would....

But as much as they thicken the hoax as hard as it gets for Michael to come back! I always thought that he was going to come back or else it doesn't make sense to me why he left all those clues. And if he doesn't come back we will NEVER EVER be sure that he's alive and fine! We will be like Elvis fans. And that scares me a lot  :|
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 07:49:41 AM
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But as much as they thicken the hoax as hard as it gets for Michael to come back! I always thought that he was going to come back or else it doesn't make sense to me why he left all those clues. And if he doesn't come back we will NEVER EVER be sure that he's alive and fine! We will be like Elvis fans. And that scares me a lot  :|

Yes, I really afraid that we will be like Elvis fans too.LOL.
So I believe if he's alive, he will come back.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 08:22:35 AM
Yes i feel like i am losing hope i have been here sinse the begining i am tired and stressed  thatthe family say such odd hard cruel things I try to be nice about them but they jsut get on with making more money and worrying about the coulour of a hat for gods sake they tell us ther is a mind bl;owing end  welll where is it !!  they must know how devasted people are they dont want to see them they want Michael they want them to angry and stop that doc from going to the grave !  stop videos of fans taking flowers there and laughing it is a grave fopr god sake the family are draging this on like  ashow yo get mmore interest how could they,, but still i believe in something because the nerws does not add up Michael had a heart attack in bed standing up in at least 2 rooms the 911 call came from a hotel the doc was on his mobile chatting whilst giving a deadly concoction and leaveing Michael alone  the drugs in the house with the children ? the death picture so fake the ambulance not rushing sirens closing the airport closed for fog  the list is so endless the lack of emotion at the memorial from the stars and the family but the one thing that haunts me is the dead lokk in the eyes of the children they look like they are going through such a hard time to  me the sadness is in their eyes so if i am wrong about the hoax and he has passed I think I will watch how they treat those wonderfull children , sorry for the long post but I just feel upset the way Michael was treated all through his life and it hasnt stopped yet
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 09:07:51 AM
Seeing an MJ photo or hearing from the family. I dont know why they keep ignoring us. If it is such a big deal for them to make us believe MJ gone then they should address us.
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 09:21:37 AM
Yep exactly

i might stop believing when the family adresses hoax beLIEvers, or when DD make a comment about LKL, saying it was really him, or when hatman or blonde lady tell us to stop...

If i was one of them, i would like to see all that stop...

but then again if Jermaine's wife goes public with a "Michael Lives" T-shirt, they can't complain if we don't believe MJ s "gone"
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Re: What wll make you stop believing?

  • on: February 06, 2010, 03:08:26 PM
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I will never stop believing that something is up with this whole thing, but i might change my opinion of what exactly happened if someone tells the ruth about what exactly happened and was able to convince me ! Alive or not things just dont add up!


I agree wholeheartedly!  NOTHING adds up!
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