[tayl0rx4]

I'm not sure where to put this so I'll just stick it here. I have a question...I mostly just want your opinion. Out of all these great clues and theories that everyone here has discovered, if you could pick ONE which one are you most confident with? Like the one clue that makes you know right away that Michael is alive? I haven't investigated much but mine would either be how Conrad Murray went back to work, we haven't seen a death certificate, or there were garbage cans at his 'funeral.' Who in the world would put garbage cans out at a funeral let alone Michael Jackson's funeral? That would just be rude and disrespectful.

[Harleyblonde]

Mine would be mainly the goings on at MJs house at the event of it all happening-the missing security tapes, the delay in the emergency call and incompetent medical aid by Doc Murray and the ambulance photo. I needed no more proof than that to believe in the hoax. It is good to find more and more inconsistencies but that did it for me-before he even got to the hospital.

[Loes]

The silence from the people working in the hospital. Not one word from any doctor, nurse, patient of even visitor ... ???

Katherine Jackson shopping for sleeping bags on the 27th of June, so weird!

The funeral, people were not emotional at all and some went to a aftherparty ...  :shock:
The funeral also looked staged. Big question for me is still Why do it twice, it doesn't make sense to me to take such a risk???? But the pictures proof it's staged.

The afthercredits from This is It.

And much more of course ...  ;)

[Zen]

I don't know guys.  I am REALLY thinking it is all a hoax...but NOT that MJ is alive.
I am starting to believe that everything went down earlier..by a day or so...and that is
why the garbage bins were there...on Wednesday, not Thursday.

I am also starting to believe that MJ was sick and that the family knew he was going to
die, and therefore, we don't see the expected emotion or SHOCK on ANYONE else's
faces....only ours.   :cry:

When MJ met with the financers in March 2008, it was reported he was frail and in
a wheelchair then.   Then, this whole, HIRE dancers in May for a concert in JULY?
I FEEL something went down or was going down a LOT earlier than they have led us
to believe.  

I am still looking for clues to the contrary...so please don't get upset.  I also think that
the MAO knew Half-hearted Too  story started along this same vein of thinking and back
when JCC told you you were getting "close", this is what he/she meant?

[icy55]

The biggest clue has to be the after credits of This is it!

Why choose to put this particular scene there? They could have gone with any other scene such as Michael singing Heal the World or something,.. Because they know that WE the hoax believers or TRUE MJ fans will not leave until the theatre lights come on. WE will want to watch every single part of the movie! =) It's to reward those who believed that MJ is 'forever alive'...

So yes! "I will come back in my own time!" Michael, mark your words! =D

[Happy Feet]

3 main things stand out to me. They are:-

#1:All the inconsistencies in the stories (ie, he died in his bed, he died in the dr bed, collapsed in the lounge in front of prince). That's just one example of an inconsistent story. They are all over the place with this one.

# 2: The silence of his friends (his real ones).

#3: The silence of the medical staff at the hospital, the families of the dancers/workers on TII and the silence of anyone from Dr Murrays past.  No one is selling a story on Murray. No disgruntled patient, no disgruntled associates, no disgruntled friends, college students or family members???  Seriously you can read in tabloid news when a famous person takes a pee, but you can't find anyone willing to dish the dirt on Murray. Lots of $$$$$$$ in that story (even if it was just made up), but nope... nothing!

However the main one would be the inconsistent stories.

[teensy]

3 main things stand out to me. They are:-

#1:All the inconsistencies in the stories (ie, he died in his bed, he died in the dr bed, collapsed in the lounge in front of prince). That's just one example of an inconsistent story. They are all over the place with this one.

# 2: The silence of his friends (his real ones).

#3: The silence of the medical staff at the hospital, the families of the dancers/workers on TII and the silence of anyone from Dr Murrays past.  No one is selling a story on Murray. No disgruntled patient, no disgruntled associates, no disgruntled friends, college students or family members???  Seriously you can read in tabloid news when a famous person takes a pee, but you can't find anyone willing to dish the dirt on Murray. Lots of $$$$$$$ in that story (even if it was just made up), but nope... nothing!

However the main one would be the inconsistent stories.

For me all the inconsistencies lead me to believe there was a conspiracy. Then a friend pointed me to the hoax. That made everything stick together.

You make a good point about people from Dr. Murray's pass not saying anything.  Either Murray is some obsure person or he not real. I think it would be easier to make-up a person. You can control a puppet better than a person.

[Happy Feet]

3 main things stand out to me. They are:-

#1:All the inconsistencies in the stories (ie, he died in his bed, he died in the dr bed, collapsed in the lounge in front of prince). That's just one example of an inconsistent story. They are all over the place with this one.

# 2: The silence of his friends (his real ones).

#3: The silence of the medical staff at the hospital, the families of the dancers/workers on TII and the silence of anyone from Dr Murrays past.  No one is selling a story on Murray. No disgruntled patient, no disgruntled associates, no disgruntled friends, college students or family members???  Seriously you can read in tabloid news when a famous person takes a pee, but you can't find anyone willing to dish the dirt on Murray. Lots of $$$$$$$ in that story (even if it was just made up), but nope... nothing!

However the main one would be the inconsistent stories.

For me all the inconsistencies lead me to believe there was a conspiracy. Then a friend pointed me to the hoax. That made everything stick together.

You make a good point about people from Dr. Murray's pass not saying anything.  Either Murray is some obsure person or he not real. I think it would be easier to make-up a person. You can control a puppet better than a person.

I have to admit, I'm between both (conspiracy and/or hoax). I researched alot of info into Michael's past  as at first I believed in was a murder so the conspiracy theory is very much in the forefront of my mind as well.

Yeah I agree, Murray's past is very obscure. He has to be the only person I know in the history of my lifetime that has never had anyone speak out against them. Not even a little nasty word.... no ex-girfriend have a bad thing to say?  How about his supposed baby Mama's? What about a hairdresser or someone from where he regularly shops? A neighbour, he lived all over the place? A childhood friend? A bill collector?.... Anybody???????  I'm sure my ex-boyfriends  would have something mean to say about me if they knew they could make some serious dollars out of it, and I know I at times haven't been the greatest of friends, someone surely would have something not so nice to say.

The lack of information on Murray's past is very suspicious. He must have been the kindest person prior to June 25 and have the greatest friends that anyone could ever have.  No one selling him out - not normal considering he is meant to of administered the medication that killed Michael Jackson!

[juliet]

For me, I think Dr. Murray opened all the doors to all conspiracies; schemes; MONEYpulations; exposures of friends, media and associates of Michael.  

And Jermaine announcing the supposed to be death of Michael instead of the Medical Staff.  That's a give away with Tohme Tohme behind him + no grief at all from the family and close friends.

[Lou]

In my opinion one of the biggest clues is the Dec 2008 death hoax. No way it can be just a coincidence. It's discussed in the link below:
http://http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=320&p=5280&hilit=2008#p5280

I could also mention the strange behaviour of dr. Murray from day one and all the contradictories stories.

I am also starting to believe that MJ was sick and that the family knew he was going to
die, and therefore, we don't see the expected emotion or SHOCK on ANYONE else's
faces....only ours.

It could make sense, but if he was ill and his family knew he was dying, why they said publicly that he died unexpectedely? Why involving the police, why the investigation and the autopsies and why the propofol story?

[SPAKKLE29FUL]

the fact that everyone close to mj tells a different story of what happened just crazy

[Eva R]

A BIG CLUE is after the credits of This Is It. And also his family. They DON'T act like their brother or son or father died. absolutely not ;)

[Kirsche]

The  most important things for me are the whole June 25th, THE MEMORIAL! and the This is it after credits!

[tayl0rx4]

Another clue is about MJ resting spot. Why haven't the children, or any family members visited the crypt since the 'funeral?' I'm sure if they visited the paps would've gotten a picture of them.

[icebluestarlight]

I would say it is difficult to find anything that is actually consistent with his so called "death"  Varying stories about what happened at carolwood drive, garbage cans, fake ambulance photo, no statement from doctors at the hospital, body moving in helicopter coming out other end as a surf board,  gigantic sign stating he is alive at memorial, three autopsies, the growing and shinking king of pop, frail , ill and depressed, full of energy and really positive.  Fake funeral filmed at what looks like Culver Studios.  Dr Murray's fake court papers from a retired judge. Bit at the end of TII why put that there? anyway the list goes on and on.  I thought OK if Dr Murray goes to jail maybe just maybe he is dead  but no he has gone back to work.  Oh and to add insult to injury got an e-mail from Amazon saying TII DVD release date had been put back to February

[Zen]

It could make sense, but if he was ill and his family knew he was dying, why they said publicly that he died unexpectedely? Why involving the police, why the investigation and the autopsies and why the propofol story?


But did the family say that he "died unexpectedly"?   To me, they certainly didn't ACT like he
died unexpectedly.  
What if the actions were a cover-up?  For either drug use or the ailment he had?  Something that
would put MJ in bad light so the hiring of Murray would give us a fall guy.
Remember Murray's  initial statement of he didn't realize the "unique situation" of Michael? or
something to that effect.  Will try to find a link.

Yeah, but the rest is confusing.  :?:

[Banessa]

Mine would be mainly the goings on at MJs house at the event of it all happening-the missing security tapes, the delay in the emergency call and incompetent medical aid by Doc Murray and the ambulance photo. I needed no more proof than that to believe in the hoax. It is good to find more and more inconsistencies but that did it for me-before he even got to the hospital.

Same here! Everything that happened the very first day alone lead me to believe this is all a hoax! It's like Harley said "It is good to find more and more inconsistencies" they are like an added bonus to everything else. They solidify my belief of a hoax!

[Guest]

I don't know guys.  I am REALLY thinking it is all a hoax...but NOT that MJ is alive.
I am starting to believe that everything went down earlier..by a day or so...and that is
why the garbage bins were there...on Wednesday, not Thursday.

I am also starting to believe that MJ was sick and that the family knew he was going to
die, and therefore, we don't see the expected emotion or SHOCK on ANYONE else's
faces....only ours.   :cry:

When MJ met with the financers in March 2008, it was reported he was frail and in
a wheelchair then.   Then, this whole, HIRE dancers in May for a concert in JULY?
I FEEL something went down or was going down a LOT earlier than they have led us
to believe.  

I am still looking for clues to the contrary...so please don't get upset.  I also think that
the MAO knew Half-hearted Too  story started along this same vein of thinking and back
when JCC told you you were getting "close", this is what he/she meant?

I suppose that is possiable. But death of a love one, whether it is expected or not, is still pretty devestating. Take Patrick Swayze's wife, for instance. The woman has known for over a year that her husband was going to die. But when you see her in interviews, it is OBVIOUS that she is in terriable pain after losing the man that she was married to for over 20 years. Michael's family, not so much. I have know people who are not even fans of Michael, and they so more grief for him STILL then his own family. Granted, that does not mean that Michael is alive. All it means it that it is VERY suspicious. :ugeek:

[zyla]

I'm not sure where to put this so I'll just stick it here. I have a question...I mostly just want your opinion. Out of all these great clues and theories that everyone here has discovered, if you could pick ONE which one are you most confident with? Like the one clue that makes you know right away that Michael is alive? I haven't investigated much but mine would either be how Conrad Murray went back to work, we haven't seen a death certificate, or there were garbage cans at his 'funeral.' Who in the world would put garbage cans out at a funeral let alone Michael Jackson's funeral? That would just be rude and disrespectful.

the money at the child support hearing for Murray.
It isn't even real money. It's Gilda's face!

[JENNYAPPLEHEAD]

Things that keep the belief alive for me:
1.Saw Mask was Michael
2.The airport closing on 6/25
3.The ambulance pic, the non use of a proper bodybag/helicopter gurney lol
4.Security tapes missing
5.Noone from the hospital talking
6.His close friends
7.The memorial: I am alive and here forever, "painS", Liberian pic, the family laughing
8. The Funeral: tree's,shot in HD,looked like movie set,family showing up late, big light thingy,fake buiding behind casket,liberian pic
9.The family's inconcisitencies,and actions I can speak on losing my mother due to cancer and my father suddenly from a heart attack and honestly either way its painful and tough to smile and laugh through whichever way it happens and they were young just like Michael
10. TII: Smooth Criminal video,the speech,earth video, the credits and after the credits
11.Geraldo saying he was punked and removing all MJ stuff
12. LK stating "Is he stil dead"
13. TII people talking about secret practices and KO and all his clues
14. Culver Studios: The dome project,Forest Lawn looks like its on the map and thats where the funeral was shot
15. The concrete being delivered to Neverland (think we need to keep an eye on that place)
16. TMZ's oddities
17. Dr.Murray not being arrested and allowed to practice medicine still
18.The 911 call & paramedics both not following protocol
19. Frank Dileo being on the board of SONY and same with Branca (interesting that he rehired 2 guys he knew he could trust fully)
20. The children being revealed all of a sudden right before 6/25

I think those are the ones that stay fresh in my mind when I have doubts these are what I say to myself to remember..

DA TROOT WILL PREVAIL
  and o yes my straight jacket is getting stretched out and need to be in that padded room too

[Another_Part_of_Me]

I don't know guys.  I am REALLY thinking it is all a hoax...but NOT that MJ is alive.
I am starting to believe that everything went down earlier..by a day or so...and that is
why the garbage bins were there...on Wednesday, not Thursday.

I am also starting to believe that MJ was sick and that the family knew he was going to
die, and therefore, we don't see the expected emotion or SHOCK on ANYONE else's
faces....only ours.   :cry:

When MJ met with the financers in March 2008, it was reported he was frail and in
a wheelchair then.   Then, this whole, HIRE dancers in May for a concert in JULY?
I FEEL something went down or was going down a LOT earlier than they have led us
to believe.  

I am still looking for clues to the contrary...so please don't get upset.  I also think that
the MAO knew Half-hearted Too  story started along this same vein of thinking and back
when JCC told you you were getting "close", this is what he/she meant?

I thought about it too.
I had 2 versions.
1. he is alive and will be back
2. He died way before it all started to happen.

I like my 1st version better tho! And there is more proof for it :}

K.

[becca26]

Ok I just wanted to post on hear real quick that I had a friend request from John Tobin he played along side MJ in the smooth Criminal sences, he said that he was NOT worried about MJs health and that MJ invited him to London to see the show (but never says anything about having MJ give him tickets?) Here is the link to his site on the interview.http://www.officialjohntobin.com
 Also some pics of the dome project call sheet from June 8,2009 by the way He says SWF means Start,Work, Finish.

[becca26]

Here are some more pics from his facebook page, let me know what you think.This is what the comments are under the pic.Bozeanne DavisRed & blue glasses needed !
October 13 at 9:04amMary Beth BarrettWhat is that John?
October 13 at 9:16amSabine UhrmeisterPsychodelic!!!!
October 13 at 9:31amDeborah Camfieldoooh blurrrry!
October 13 at 9:45amJohn Tobinits Mjj junping thru window trying to escape man with a gun
October 13 at 10:04amManuela Savasta3D hihiihih
October 13 at 10:20amBozeanne Davis& the bullet is coming right over us...
October 13 at 12:00pmMicheline PerlmanWow...how is this done?
October 15 at 8:01pmJohn TobinMajor special effect took 4 months to do!!
October 16 at 10:40amKinga Csemez4 months??! Wow!! :-)
November 10 at 6:28amRaluca Dana AgafiteiOoh, I got it, I see him...the more you show us, the more I'd like to know, thanks for bringing us close to such precious times
November 14 at 2:01am

[becca26]

He doesnt look sick to John Tobin

[becca26]

Also I guess John said that he met all 3 of MJs kids here is the photo with comments.


November 17 at 8:48pmSara Swiftall I want for Christmas is Justice for Michael J Jackson.
November 17 at 8:51pmDaniela Edith AguirreAWWWW....THEY LOOK VERY TENDER!!!
November 17 at 9:08pmJohn Tobinthe kids applauded me after second take after we started thew scene!!
November 17 at 9:26pmDaniela Edith Aguirreat the film of smooth criminal?? or when??
November 17 at 9:53pmTegan EllisThat is amazing , you are very lucky!
November 17 at 9:59pmJohn Tobinon filminf smooth darlin
November 17 at 9:59pmDaniela Edith Aguirre:) very good!!!
November 17 at 10:01pmEls van den OetelaarJohn did they also watch their dad rehearsing?
November 18 at 3:44amEls van den OetelaarCould I borrow this picture?? Love it!!!!
November 18 at 3:47amJarmila BukovskáJohn, did you speak with them? I love them.
November 18 at 4:39amEmmy PicaulimaTouching my heart so much.....Lord Jesus Bless them and keep them Happy Healthy Allive.......amen
November 18 at 5:38amJohn Tobinyes they wer at monitors next to Dad on our meeting,they stayed till 10.30 watching Dad and I block smootth criminal film!!
November 18 at 7:11amJohn Tobinyes talke briefly as i was working w MJJ,Blanek asked dad if he could have a health bar,,mjj said yes
November 18 at 7:42amBozeanne DavisSmooth memory you share. Thx.
November 18 at 10:35amDaniela Laufenbergthankx for the pic, I hope they will be happy again