Michael Isnt coming back

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Offline ILOVEMJ

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Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 25, 2010, 08:34:12 PM
i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 25, 2010, 08:36:19 PM
Oh Cheese 'n' Rice!!!!!!!!!! :roll:
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 25, 2010, 08:43:42 PM
I dunno if he will come back or not but one thing is sure. Hoaxing a death is not a crime if you don't do it for money. And u know... when u are as big as Michael Jackson u can do everything in the legality even faking ur death...
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 25, 2010, 08:48:16 PM
It's all for love.  l.o.v.e.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 25, 2010, 09:03:20 PM
If MJ is alive, this isn't something he thought up to have fun and play a joke...he is in trouble.  Latoya and Jermaine both eluded to the type of trouble he was in...believe what they say or not, the truth is, MJ was wanted dead and I am sure that if MJ really is dead...MJ never saw a bottle of proponol and it was put there after the deed was done to look like MJ had it every night and was familiar with it.  MJ had a lot of things people wanted and even if he is "dead"...there is so much to find out....If he is alive, this "hoax" comes from high places...
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 25, 2010, 09:20:15 PM
Sorry ILOVEMJ, most of the veteran hoaxers have been through this a million times: There is NO CRIMINAL OFFENSE and if he wants to come back he can!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 26, 2010, 08:23:43 AM
Quote from: "ILOVEMJ"
i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive


Faking your death is not a criminal offence if the government is with it( means FBI- Witness Protection Program etc.)  And if you didn't fake your death to get a bnch of money from you insurance ( this means, if this faked death leads to no fraud) it is also no criminal offence
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 26, 2010, 09:05:50 AM
Well, Three Things that I think about:
-Micahael Will Come Back
-Michael will make a video for us hoax belivers, of himself
-Michael give a shit in everyone, and everything...

Or else he is dead..
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 28, 2010, 08:03:06 AM
If Michael is alive he will come back. This is what I believe.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 29, 2010, 08:06:57 AM
Same here. Either he is dead, or if he s alive then he will come back FOR SURE. And if what we notice are real clues, then a lot of them are predicting his return:
- what the sisters wrote in the memorial book ( cant wait to see you again on earth, cant wait to see you performing again etc)
- the gospel that started the memorial. The sentence that opened the show was "soon you will see the king again" ( or smth like that). They repeated it so many times.
- I believe Mj was the Dave Dave at Larry King's show, and if its true, Michael wouldnt be playing like that if he had done the hoax to disappear. Same thing if he is the hatman at the memorial...which i belive.
- the jackson brothers who keep predicting big stuff to happen...without never mentionning what...and knowing that most of the fans watching them are waiting for Mj to come back ( the beLIEvers)
- and all the clues showing us that this is all about a movie that MJ is directing
THats what I believe!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 03, 2010, 07:51:30 PM
Quote from: "ILOVEMJ"
i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive
Sorry but he will come back when he's ready. Don't throw in the towel just yet  ;)
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 22, 2010, 06:49:52 PM
Quote from: "ILOVEMJ"
i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive


Well,said.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 22, 2010, 06:57:41 PM
Quote from: "word"
Quote from: "ILOVEMJ"
i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive


Well,said.

We dont have any concrete evidence he is alive..  yes you are right there.
However, we have no concrete evidence that he is dead, either.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 22, 2010, 07:09:37 PM
If Michael is alive (i believe he is ) then why all the drama about DR. Murray ?
this has gone on now for far too long, unless there are much bigger Fish to catch ??
and there is so much more to all of this than we know
I want to know now  ! i can't stand all this waiting already! LOl
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 22, 2010, 07:14:20 PM
well, the movie thing might be a little far fetched. but i am really starting to believe he was in trouble, he feared for his life. his family keeps saying it & he's even said it. so, that would be a very good reason to hoax your own death & he may be being protected somewhere. this theory sounds more & more plausible everyday. he feared for his life, he knew the people that wanted to harm him, he went to authorities or whoever & they are protecting him. & now since people think he's dead they are able to track down the "bad guys" & take them down, making it safe for michael again. i don't see what sounds unlikely about that....in fact it is a huge possibility. conrad murray could either be a pawn used to out the real bad guys or he could be a doctor that was hired BY the bad guys & he's the first step in taking the bad guys down. latoya, jermaine & most of the rest of the family seem to be saying the same thing, michael was in danger & conrad murray didn't act alone & that they know who else was involved. how else would they know that? michael told them. & it is a huge coincidence that the day he "died" & was taken to the hospital the airport was shutdown for an hour, & jermaine out of nowhere confused hospital with airport. "he was no longer with us long before he arrived at the airport". really? that's too much. you're crazy if you don't hear that, think about the airport being shutdown & you don't go hmmm...that's weird. i wonder....
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 22, 2010, 07:34:27 PM
@IloveMJ I think your missing the point.It's not about him coming back! It's about the message. I mean dont get me wrong I believe he is still with us. However, I think the most important thing we need to keep in mind is the message. We need to love and care for one another and take care of this beautiful planet we live on. Also, we need to open our eyes and stop letting people control our minds! And you said "there is no reason for him to do this". Yes there is. Everything this man does is bigger and better than anyone. What would be bigger than successfully pulling of this hoax?! ;) I'm just saying! :lol:
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 24, 2010, 09:05:17 PM
Sorry, I still can't find any sense in Michael faking his death,surely he didn't have to go to these extremes to tell the world to love each other,he's beenndoing that in his music for years,and if its true Mj is pulling a hoax what good is it  to out him,would that not put his life in more danger if you blow his cover,so what's the point.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 24, 2010, 09:18:51 PM
Everyone keeps on forgetting the stretcher at UCLA where MJ sits up.  Plus their have been so many inconsistencies, in this whole affair.  The family does state that many people are inviolved not just Conrad Murray.  Also, how can the National Enquire predict that Mj will die in six months from a rare lung disease and he dies 6 months and a day with no lung disease what so ever, he supposedly died from acute Proprofyl poisoning.  So something is definitely up.  Also many England people had made bets stating that Mj would not even do 1 show, and they stated that he would find a way to get out of it.  So for those who bet he would not do 1 show, who knows how many thousands were made on that.  There are the airport shut down on the 25th, two ambulances, two helicopters and Jermaine speaking for the family.  Plus, no tears at the funeral or memorial. Just to let you know thousands of people believe something is askew Just look at You Tube, there are way too many videos which state and give supporting factors to support
our case.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 25, 2010, 06:09:03 AM
Ermm....


When did it become a 'criminal offense' to save your own life, when you are the world's most famous person. Yes, Michael is the worlds most famous person, he got a Guinness Record as 'Most Global Person' in 2006.

I think there is a reason why Michael hoaxed his death in 2009 and not 2008. Bush were president in 08. Obama in 09.. And Obama likes Michael.. Well so you should :L


He is coming back, or they would never act so ridiculous. Saying he is not coming back, is the same as thinking he is gone..
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 25, 2010, 06:59:03 AM
Quote from: "ILOVEMJ"
i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive
Of course there is no concrete evidence; but because of all the inconsistencies, IMO, I cant really believe that he is gone, either.
you´re right that this would be criminal, unless the police/fbi/whatever are involved... then it´s not.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 25, 2010, 07:02:35 AM
Authorities have to be involved for this hoax to work.  IMHO, He will only come back if one of their representatives is with him to explain all.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 25, 2010, 11:55:53 AM
If he wanted us to think hes gone and never coming back, then why are there so many slip ups?
If he wanted to STAY HIDDEN, he wouldn't want people to mess up on this, i mean sure people would have a few mistakes here or there.. but this is quite ridiculous if you ask me.
OBVIOUSLY, he doesn't want to stay hidden. Because i doubt all these weird inconsistencies wouldn't exist if he were to stay out of the spotlight.
But that's just my opinion. Believe what you will about this, soon enough the truth will come out.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 26, 2010, 07:11:02 PM
There is more proof that Michael is alive than proof that he actually died.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: March 01, 2010, 08:58:28 PM
I think we should stop thinking about when hes coming back, thats not why he left..
he left so people could realize his message.. which was LOVE. We need more love in this world.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: May 10, 2010, 02:38:26 AM
I agree we must pay attention to his messages, but also the come back is crucial to emphasise the message.

I see no sense in the hoax without a come back, unless he wanted to dissapear forever.
But I don't believe this. He's too  much a show-man to miss such an opportunity.

I also think authorities must be involved. The FBI files revealed Michael was threatened, and also his fans, by a person who years ago wanted to comitt mass murder at on of his concerts.

That's pretty scary to me. And maybe this happened again about London concerts - maybe...
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: May 10, 2010, 05:52:57 AM
We all know he will never come back. Sorry, I also want to see him again but I am sure he died.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: May 23, 2010, 01:41:05 AM
And I am just as sure that he is alive, and will come back in his own time as Michael the man and not Michael the performer!  ;)
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: May 23, 2010, 01:54:59 AM
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And I am just as sure that he is alive, and will come back in his own time as Michael the man and not Michael the performer!  ;)

I agree with you. I just wish everyone would stop talking about Michael not coming back or when he will come back or that he's really dead. I strongly believe that if you don't have hope any longer than please don't come on and post negative topics. Those of us that are veterans have been to hell and back for almost a year now. We have the faith to know that the truth will be revealed in due time. We don't post negative topics. Sometimes, it's just better not to say anything. I believe Michael is alive and in time the world will know the truth. Keep the Faith!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: May 23, 2010, 08:31:49 PM
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And I am just as sure that he is alive, and will come back in his own time as Michael the man and not Michael the performer!  ;)

I agree with you. I just wish everyone would stop talking about Michael not coming back or when he will come back or that he's really dead. I strongly believe that if you don't have hope any longer than please don't come on and post negative topics. Those of us that are veterans have been to hell and back for almost a year now. We have the faith to know that the truth will be revealed in due time. We don't post negative topics. Sometimes, it's just better not to say anything. I believe Michael is alive and in time the world will know the truth. Keep the Faith!


Hi There, your key phrase, "strongly believe" hits the nail on the head. I feel the question over whether MJ is dead or alive is a mote point! I did some research on Google a long time ago and found out that it is illegal to bury someone in the US without a signed death certificate! So that alone sealed it for me. All the rest, such as no reference to his death in "This Is It" is simply icing on the cake! Faith conquers all!

Stay blessed!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 04:32:29 AM
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well, the movie thing might be a little far fetched. but i am really starting to believe he was in trouble, he feared for his life. his family keeps saying it & he's even said it. so, that would be a very good reason to hoax your own death & he may be being protected somewhere. this theory sounds more & more plausible everyday. he feared for his life, he knew the people that wanted to harm him, he went to authorities or whoever & they are protecting him. & now since people think he's dead they are able to track down the "bad guys" & take them down, making it safe for michael again. i don't see what sounds unlikely about that....in fact it is a huge possibility. conrad murray could either be a pawn used to out the real bad guys or he could be a doctor that was hired BY the bad guys & he's the first step in taking the bad guys down. latoya, jermaine & most of the rest of the family seem to be saying the same thing, michael was in danger & conrad murray didn't act alone & that they know who else was involved. how else would they know that? michael told them. & it is a huge coincidence that the day he "died" & was taken to the hospital the airport was shutdown for an hour, & jermaine out of nowhere confused hospital with airport. "he was no longer with us long before he arrived at the airport". really? that's too much. you're crazy if you don't hear that, think about the airport being shutdown & you don't go hmmm...that's weird. i wonder....

I completely agree!!!! Michael was in trouble, and this hoax wasn't something that was planned over night nor was he an over night sensation. The man was brilliant!!!! He knew the business very well (better than most major stars today), and I do believe that several people wanted to bring him down. His personal chef could've been involved, and drugging him--who knows. Throughout his life, there were very few people that he trusted. You've seen what type of friend Arnie Klein turned out to be. In due time the truth will will prevail but I doubt if he'd ever be safe after exposing such a thing. This thing could be so enormous with millions of dollars involved, I mean we're talking drug trafficking, embezzling, politics, etc. and much bigger than he could handle on his own. If he had to do all of this to be safe--it would be selfish of me to want him back simply for entertainment purposes.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 05:33:57 AM
He died and there are people from begining making us believe he is alive, even KO tried it with the end of TII because he knows this is a money machine, and other people tries it only because of the pleasure of being bad people, no one of these people who says Michael is alive has prooved it, we only have ridiculous proofs about Dave Dave and similar things that make people laugh ... I dont want a fight with believers against non believers but the seconds are mourning Michael and the first are laughing about his death.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 06:56:31 AM
Laughing? not at all. Just triyng to figure out why so many contradictions in his death case.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 07:49:36 AM
I agree with the fact that there are lot of contradictions and weird things from beginning, that is why I began to believe....but I have seen lots of comments with jokes and laughs, and sorry but this seems disrespectful because nobody has the definitive proof about the hoax and it could be that Michael was really dead. The only sure thing we have is that he is gone, dead or hidden but gone.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 12:57:13 PM
Lauhg cures the soul. And has never been laughing at him, never.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 01:05:33 PM
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And I am just as sure that he is alive, and will come back in his own time as Michael the man and not Michael the performer!  ;)

I agree with you. I just wish everyone would stop talking about Michael not coming back or when he will come back or that he's really dead. I strongly believe that if you don't have hope any longer than please don't come on and post negative topics. Those of us that are veterans have been to hell and back for almost a year now. We have the faith to know that the truth will be revealed in due time. We don't post negative topics. Sometimes, it's just better not to say anything. I believe Michael is alive and in time the world will know the truth. Keep the Faith!

Well said sweet1, I agree with all you have said. We have been here and on MJHD since day 1 and I believe MJ is alive. It's been a rollercoaster ride but i'm glad i've gone through it. It's after opening my eyes to the media and a hell of alot more that's going on in the world.

I believe the truth will come out.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 01:10:06 PM
Laughing at him of course not !!! I am not saying this.....I mean people makes jokes about his death because they think he is alive and this is sad for me.... I would like to see more intelligent points of view instead of invented proofs and photoshoped pictures...because there are people who is really bad and are inventing stories, recording voices, editing videos and pictures to make us think he is alive, I am not saying everybody here is like that but I have seen this here and there....sorry for my bad english, I dont know how to explain things correctly  :oops:

One more thing, I am a half believer, just like most of you.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 01:10:22 PM
michael like it simple
joseph died
joe not died
fraud, fake?? not at all
the king of pop (jermaine words) is dead
not michael joe jackson
i don´t think will be back as performer but he will let us now... he already did!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 01, 2010, 01:14:47 PM
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Laughing at him of course not !!! I am not saying this.....I mean people makes jokes about his death because they think he is alive and this is sad for me.... I would like to see more intelligent points of view instead of invented proofs and photoshoped pictures...because there are people who is really bad and are inventing stories, recording voices, editing videos and pictures to make us think he is alive, I am not saying everybody here is like that but I have seen this here and there....sorry for my bad english, I dont know how to explain things correctly  :oops:

One more thing, I am a half believer, just like most of you.

I undertand.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: July 18, 2010, 09:34:10 AM
You know, guys, I believe that Michael is alive... very believe... But my common sense steps in more often and often.

So, you really think that MJ could do it with his Doctor?  I mean, Michael was on his place and knew what feels there!
And now imagine that if Michael doesn't come back (it's possible, isn't it?) this man will live all his life as Jackson' murder!
Even if Mj returns you really think that the doctor would agree with the Hoax and voluntarily sacrifice his reputation and go through the court?
I'm difficult to believe in it because we all know Michael as a very kind-hearted man...

And I wanna say a  couple of words about His family. We're trying hard to avoid a possibility that all of them are the Media people and can controll their feelings very well or... (I know it's very rude) they showed their real faces...

So, please, argue me out of it, because then I can believe completely and it's everything that I want.

P.S.: sorry for my English
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 23, 2010, 08:09:33 AM
EXUSE ME? He'll go in prison !?!?
He got so much money after his "death", he can easily bail himself out ;)
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 28, 2010, 03:52:33 PM
ILOVEMJ how can u say that mike will come back it may be sooner or it may be later my cousin and a person on here have gone to a psichc and they bout said october my cousin gave in a pic in a envlope the pshic said the mike was alive cause the pic was warm my cousin asked will mike come back  she din't say michael she said person any way my cousin said will he come back the pshic yes the person will come back my cousin asked when the pshic said i october my cousin din't tell me wath date  and they did not go to the same pshic be cause i we live in ireland        don't lose fate he will come back :D



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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 15, 2011, 03:50:29 PM
So you nonbelievers actually think that there weren't any motives to fake his own death?

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 16, 2011, 08:19:45 PM
After that we have seen in these months, I remain convinced that Michael is alive, but I’m not so sure that really he will return.
In that case, maybe he will find a way to confirm to everyone, including non-belivers, he is well and happy, but no more than that.
When I look at the end  of the movie "This Is It" (with the music of "Man in the mirror"), it seems to me like a farewell to all and this makes me a little sad.
In the words  "... snap my fingers maybe then bam ", I don' t know if "maybe" refers to "bam" or  to “snap my fingers” (sorry, maybe it's because I do not know the English language so well).
In any case we'll see and I try to be positive.

Bye
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 17, 2011, 12:51:58 AM
First...... I just want to say that I lost hope many times since Michael died or "died".
But every time I think "this is it, he must be dead" something inside just doesn't want to believe it, my mind just can not accept it as long as we had NE title 6 months prior to June 25th saying that Michael Jackson will be dead in 6 months, as long as we have the weird O2 press conference, as long as we have Teddy Riley and Akon believing he is alive....... ok maybe the last 2 shouldn't count anyway because they could be motivated by money, even if I think they are rich enough to not do this to Michael for money....
Anyway, we have the strange Dave Dave appearance, we have Michael's own words in TII "it's an adventure, a great adventure, there's nothing to be nervous about" - he speaks like he is in charge of everything, giving the others directions of what is about to be...... having all these, even if often I lose hope, I still can not believe Michael is dead.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 17, 2011, 09:22:52 AM
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If MJ is alive, this isn't something he thought up to have fun and play a joke...he is in trouble.  Latoya and Jermaine both eluded to the type of trouble he was in...believe what they say or not, the truth is, MJ was wanted dead and I am sure that if MJ really is dead...MJ never saw a bottle of proponol and it was put there after the deed was done to look like MJ had it every night and was familiar with it.  MJ had a lot of things people wanted and even if he is "dead"...there is so much to find out....If he is alive, this "hoax" comes from high places...


wow :o what if she was right :(
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 17, 2011, 10:40:50 AM
It could be very well be that the FBI is involved. They released documents on Dec. 22, 2009 proving his innocence on the child abuse allegations and the fact they knew someone was trying to kill him.

"In response to Freedom of Information Act requests, the Bureau has released its investigative files on the late entertainer Michael Jackson, who died earlier this year.
The records total 333 pages, divided into seven files. They detail the FBI’s investigation of a man who threatened to kill Jackson, as well as various forms of assistance to California authorities in two cases involving allegations that Jackson had abused children. It should be emphasized that none of these allegations were ever proven in court."

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2009/de ... son_122209
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 17, 2011, 05:55:08 PM
You remember what Kenny O said in the courtroom... tomorrow is the start of the illusion.  To me we are part of the ARG but on a larger scale and I believe Michael has implemented all forms of medium to tell his story, including internet, film, television and so on.  I think it has been well planned for years.  No one has ever thought to combine the two forms of medium at this large of scale and only Michael could have pulled this off.  I have said this right from the beginning since about August 2009.  This is part illusion/part film/documentary.  He is using every form of medium to convey his story in real time and some not in real time.

"An alternate reality game (ARG) is an interactive narrative that uses the real world as a platform, often involving multiple media and game elements, to tell a story that may be affected by participants' ideas or actions."

I believe this is not about a hoax per se, this is about his vision and what he sees for the future.  He was always ahead of his time and people's heads (particularly the non-believers) haven't even ventured to think that way.   The This is It movie is just a segment of his final "performance".  The court hearing is another "segment" and so on....think about it as reading a book.  

In the end no matter what, he is clearing his name and trying to make this world a better place.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 17, 2011, 08:34:17 PM
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You remember what Kenny O said in the courtroom... tomorrow is the start of the illusion.  To me we are part of the ARG but on a larger scale and I believe Michael has implemented all forms of medium to tell his story, including internet, film, television and so on.  I think it has been well planned for years.  No one has ever thought to combine the two forms of medium at this large of scale and only Michael could have pulled this off.  I have said this right from the beginning since about August 2009.  This is part illusion/part film/documentary.  He is using every form of medium to convey his story in real time and some not in real time.

"An alternate reality game (ARG) is an interactive narrative that uses the real world as a platform, often involving multiple media and game elements, to tell a story that may be affected by participants' ideas or actions."

I believe this is not about a hoax per se, this is about his vision and what he sees for the future.  He was always ahead of his time and people's heads (particularly the non-believers) haven't even ventured to think that way.   The This is It movie is just a segment of his final "performance".  The court hearing is another "segment" and so on....think about it as reading a book.  

In the end no matter what, he is clearing his name and trying to make this world a better place.

Excellent post, Shelby. I remember reading months ago about ARG and it's crossed my mind several times as the one thing that remains a constant possibility. He is using all forms of media in his message and at the same time he is righting some horrible wrongs. Yes, he's always been ahead of his time.

If my memory serves me right, in an ARG not everything is scripted because it starts in one direction but people who aren't aware of the ARG can and will take it in many directions. I'm not sure I've explained that correctly but it reminds me of so many people who may not be aware that they are in an ARG (us, for example) but it's taken on its own life form. That, in my opinion, could be why we get so many conflicting messages. Either way, I'm sure Michael is sitting back laughing - and for that, I'd be happy to humor him.

As Jermaine told Larry King, "yes, I believe he's somewhere" :)
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 17, 2011, 09:59:19 PM
Tonight on TV they showed snips of a show coming up about millionares who go into the unfortunate parts of the world and see desperate situations and how people have to live without food, water, without basically anything.  These millionares give these people lots and lots of money, and guess what was playing as the theme song?  HOLD MY HAND.  The emotion I felt was overwhelming.  He makes the difference HAPPEN.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 17, 2011, 10:10:25 PM
I'm blanking...what's ARG??  
And it's FANTASTIC that that show is using Michael's song.  I seen Ellen Degeneres using Michael's music a lot lately to dance to on her show too!!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 17, 2011, 10:49:47 PM
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I'm blanking...what's ARG??  
And it's FANTASTIC that that show is using Michael's song.  I seen Ellen Degeneres using Michael's music a lot lately to dance to on her show too!!

Alternatve Reality Game - see the definition in bold in my post above.

This caught my eye months ago when OPUS released its book and you were to get a key code to enter the "reality game".  Mine never worked and I believe nothing else became of it.  But when I first got the email from OPUS about it, it directed me to this reality game site... and that is what got me thinking.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 12:42:36 AM
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I'm blanking...what's ARG??  
And it's FANTASTIC that that show is using Michael's song.  I seen Ellen Degeneres using Michael's music a lot lately to dance to on her show too!!

Alternatve Reality Game - see the definition in bold in my post above.

This caught my eye months ago when OPUS released its book and you were to get a key code to enter the "reality game".  Mine never worked and I believe nothing else became of it.  But when I first got the email from OPUS about it, it directed me to this reality game site... and that is what got me thinking.

really :shock: ? do I understand right what you are saying?!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 05:50:47 AM
What reality game site? What address exactly?  :shock:
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 12:22:10 PM
WOW...I don't know.  This IS deep.  But, that code had to come in the book for some reason.  I can't say as I don't have it...wish I do.  Wasn't it really expensive??  Can you email the company and explain about yours and maybe your book has a number and you can replace your code?  This has me curious.  Keep digging on this one please!!!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 12:37:14 PM
You have seen no concrete evidence he is alive?
There is more to suggest he is living and breathing than RIPing at FL.
Sorry to say but that is not a valid statement on which to base your argument.

I will try to find my post on his coming back from the prelim thread..lost somewhere in the last few pages to save re-writing it out.
Michael coming back and Michael being alive are two very different things.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 01:01:51 PM
They certainly are - if we never see him again, I will still belIEve he is alive somewhere.  Just need that bit of proof to seal it.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 02:49:57 PM
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WOW...I don't know.  This IS deep.  But, that code had to come in the book for some reason.  I can't say as I don't have it...wish I do.  Wasn't it really expensive??  Can you email the company and explain about yours and maybe your book has a number and you can replace your code?  This has me curious.  Keep digging on this one please!!!



I received my code in the email.  This was back in January 2010.  When you go to the page, it just says coming soon... so nothing really became of it.  So I just never really looked into further because my code didn't get me any further lol.  There were alot of others that did not get on the site etc with their code.

This is the email I received when I got the code.  The book was around $250.00 to $300.00 (CDN) or so, can't remember the exact cost off hand, but it was up there.  The link also took me to other sites regarding augmented reality games at the time, but they are not there anymore.  If you google augmented reality games with Michael Jackson Reality OPUS you will get more information on it.

Dear Customer,
We would just like to keep you informed about Opus Reality, an online experience at krakenopus.com available to every owner of the Official Michael Jackson Opus.  It has taken a little longer than we originally expected but we are excited to let you know that we are in the process of finalizing the content that will form the launch of the Michael Jackson Opus Reality experience. We are able to provide you here with your unique password code that will allow you access to the experience upon final launch. This unique code is important. It gives you alone your own special access to the content on the site. Your code is: XXXXXXXXX.  This can be redeemed in the exclusive Opus Extra members' area at: http://www.krakenopus.com/extra/

Your email address was supplied to us when you purchased the Opus.If you have given it as a gift, please send these details to the owner of the Opus. If you have purchased more than one Opus, you will receive a separate code for each one. Opus Reality is coming soon - please check the site for more details. Thank you for your purchase of the Michael Jackson Opus and for your continued patience.

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 05:26:20 PM
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WOW...I don't know.  This IS deep.  But, that code had to come in the book for some reason.  I can't say as I don't have it...wish I do.  Wasn't it really expensive??  Can you email the company and explain about yours and maybe your book has a number and you can replace your code?  This has me curious.  Keep digging on this one please!!!



I received my code in the email.  This was back in January 2010.  When you go to the page, it just says coming soon... so nothing really became of it.  So I just never really looked into further because my code didn't get me any further lol.  There were alot of others that did not get on the site etc with their code.

This is the email I received when I got the code.  The book was around $250.00 to $300.00 (CDN) or so, can't remember the exact cost off hand, but it was up there.  The link also took me to other sites regarding augmented reality games at the time, but they are not there anymore.  If you google augmented reality games with Michael Jackson Reality OPUS you will get more information on it.

Dear Customer,
We would just like to keep you informed about Opus Reality, an online experience at krakenopus.com available to every owner of the Official Michael Jackson Opus.  It has taken a little longer than we originally expected but we are excited to let you know that we are in the process of finalizing the content that will form the launch of the Michael Jackson Opus Reality experience. We are able to provide you here with your unique password code that will allow you access to the experience upon final launch. This unique code is important. It gives you alone your own special access to the content on the site. Your code is: XXXXXXXXX.  This can be redeemed in the exclusive Opus Extra members' area at: http://www.krakenopus.com/extra/

Your email address was supplied to us when you purchased the Opus.If you have given it as a gift, please send these details to the owner of the Opus. If you have purchased more than one Opus, you will receive a separate code for each one. Opus Reality is coming soon - please check the site for more details. Thank you for your purchase of the Michael Jackson Opus and for your continued patience.

Opus Opus Media Group Limited
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Peter Port
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Registered in Jersey under company number 103152


I don't think I ever even got a code.  Nor did I get the glove that was supposed to have come with the book.  I contacted Kraken about the missing glove, and never got a response.  Although I do enjoy the book, I will never do business with Kraken again.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 10:10:12 PM
YEAH...it's taking longer than expected because there is no end to it yet!!!  The show...game...whatever it is, is not finished.  Keep writing them, when this is over...you'll have what you need! :)
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 18, 2011, 11:21:26 PM
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You have seen no concrete evidence he is alive?
There is more to suggest he is living and breathing than RIPing at FL.
Sorry to say but that is not a valid statement on which to base your argument.

I will try to find my post on his coming back from the prelim thread..lost somewhere in the last few pages to save re-writing it out.
Michael coming back and Michael being alive are two very different things.

Wow, in Florida, I assume FL is Florida. How exactly you know that?
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

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I think FL = Forest Lawn
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

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I think FL = Forest Lawn

Correct ^
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 19, 2011, 09:23:27 AM
Sometimes I still have hope Michael returns.
But the clock is ticking and this story is taking very large, so I think that a return is complicated.
Sometimes I also think I'm living a great illusion. The fact is we have no evidence of anything, and Michael is officially dead!
Some clues are important, but many of them seem deliberately planted to mislead.
I see the fans suffer. I do not think Michael would be fine with that. Now the family says his death all the time.
How they would be if Michael came back? Even your children? Michael would allow children to be called liars and underhanded a lifetime?

What I'm trying to say is that if this is a hoax, would not need so much circus, so appearance and statements of the family. If it was practical to have a comeback, it was time to shut up everyone and let time pass and people forget a little of what they said.
Also I think we came to rely too much on TMZ. In some stories, TMZ lot like the tabloids that Michael has always hated.
In relation to the family, it is best not to look for them a lot of commotion over the death of Michael .... I just got my reason not to rely too much on Jackson's brothers, but I know many here disagree!
So I stop by here!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 19, 2011, 01:48:47 PM
Doubt is creeping in......isn't it? Takes too long to come back if he is alive......
OK, back to the beginnigs of the hoax.....
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: January 19, 2011, 03:00:14 PM
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YEAH...it's taking longer than expected because there is no end to it yet!!!  The show...game...whatever it is, is not finished.  Keep writing them, when this is over...you'll have what you need! :)

AGREE - i just chek it that krakeropus.com  and  let me tell u ==
 ALL PARTNERS OF THAT GAMES  Is  
P-E-R-S-O-N-A-L-L-Y        I-N-V-O-L-V-E-D
 aka  THEY ARE HAVE TO BE  PRESENT ON TIME  And  ALIVE (ofcourse!)

SO, to be able to START that INTER-ACTIVE(!) game MJ have to be BACK   ==  I Dont say  back 4 That Game - just personally present. ;)
But, IS He Will back??..   :(  :(
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 13, 2011, 06:30:51 PM
Did anyone pay attention to the ending of This Is It? Michael said and I quote "We have 4 years to get it right" why say 4 years? The TII Tour would not have lasted 4 years. 4 years from 2009 will be 2013, does Michael know something about the Government that we don't? He COULD be returning in 2013......
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 13, 2011, 09:37:35 PM
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Did anyone pay attention to the ending of This Is It? Michael said and I quote "We have 4 years to get it right" why say 4 years? The TII Tour would not have lasted 4 years. 4 years from 2009 will be 2013, does Michael know something about the Government that we don't? He COULD be returning in 2013......

Exactly, thank you. 4 years from 2009 is 2013, what I have been saying over and over. Members somehow calculate 4 years form 2009 is 2012, based on some new math perhaps. If Michael planning come back, it should be earlier than 2013. I tend to hope it will be either at the end of CM trial or during Cirque de Soleil concerts. I don't have assumtion about what he meant about 4 years "to get it right". I don't believe it is the end of the world, nor government related msg. Will see in 2013  :D
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 14, 2011, 12:42:41 AM
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Did anyone pay attention to the ending of This Is It? Michael said and I quote "We have 4 years to get it right" why say 4 years? The TII Tour would not have lasted 4 years. 4 years from 2009 will be 2013, does Michael know something about the Government that we don't? He COULD be returning in 2013......

But without him we can't do anything so what's the point of him returning only in 2013?
I think he has to return sooner to change people's perception about media and the systems and everything, otherwise there's no point imo.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 14, 2011, 12:50:36 AM
As I hear it.....some of TII was filmed much earlier than 2009. We should not forget that possibility either......the math could then work.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 14, 2011, 12:59:01 AM
2005 to 2009 is 4 years.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 14, 2011, 01:31:30 AM
If you are getting low in faith I've found it helpful to go over the material that Souza has compliled, TIAI posts, older excellent threads on the board index, and the many excellent Youtube hoax videos. For 19 months so many have worked so hard. Our faith is not built on a few facts, but in the MJ hoax it's built on hundreds/thousands of details that overwhemingly add up to Michael carrying out his dream.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 14, 2011, 01:40:39 AM
Keep your faith in MJ, it all going to his plan ;)  it all for L.O.V.E
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 14, 2011, 05:17:38 AM
I have said this same thing since July 2009 and I will say it again February of 2011....Michael will RETURN!!!
Don't just focus on whether he's coming back or not which many of us have already established he is let's just keep watching and let the hoax go as Michael has planned.
Trust us ILOVEMj Michael will come back to us just stay patient....hold his hand, he's doing all he can and things will go better if you just hold his hand LOL :D

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 14, 2011, 02:47:22 PM
What bothers me is how Katherine can sue accusing AEG and bunch of defendants inclusive in wrongful death of Michael whereas MJ is really alive.This is not a joke. What will Katherine explain when MJ comes back then? AEG will then sue Katherine and MJ back for false accusation. I don't want to think about court frustration also as a possibility. I asked this question on TMZ thread, but got no answer from anyone. People, we should not be afraid of challenging questions. So, does anyone have a reasonable answer to this?
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

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What bothers me is how Katherine can sue accusing AEG and bunch of defendants inclusive in wrongful death of Michael whereas MJ is really alive.This is not a joke. What will Katherine explain when MJ comes back then? AEG will then sue Katherine and MJ back for false accusation. I don't want to think about court frustration also as a possibility. I asked this question on TMZ thread, but got no answer from anyone. People, we should not be afraid of challenging questions. So, does anyone have a reasonable answer to this?

The ONLY logical one.
He is NOT coming back ...whether he is dead or alive.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 15, 2011, 03:01:45 PM
The come back has to be analised in accordance to the reasons for hoaxing his death.
He wanted to get away and live on an island somewhere, in hiding for the rest of his life? That could have been done without all the circus of a faked death.
So I don't think that was the reason.

Exposing the media who is no longer doing its job of informing people of the real events, but it's fabricating stories for money, looks like a good reason and this means he will come back, otherwise he can't reach his goal of exposing the media.

The end of the world? I am not sure about this but he said we have 4 years to make it right. Then he died and left us the question why he said it? Are we indeed living the apocalipse and we don't even realise? How many ends of world passed and nothing happened? People don't really believe the world could end during their lifetime....yes it will end some day but always not now but in a distant future.....

Was Michael seeing the signs of the end of times? But he told us it's and adventure, a great adventure, and that there is nothing to be nervous about. Hmmmm, I would be very nervous if I knew the  end of the world  is coming  :? .  If that was his reason than I would say the come back is a must.

Of course, another possibility is that he simply died and in this case I agree he won't come back but in another reincarnation, probably not during our lifetime.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 26, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
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Did anyone pay attention to the ending of This Is It? Michael said and I quote "We have 4 years to get it right" why say 4 years? The TII Tour would not have lasted 4 years. 4 years from 2009 will be 2013, does Michael know something about the Government that we don't? He COULD be returning in 2013......

I watched TII again last night and I also heard him say it other times I watched it.  Did he say "we have 4 years" or "we've *had* 4 years" to get it right? Either way I always wondered what he meant because he only supposedly started rehearsing in 2009.

I think I mentioned before what I just don't get is if it was meant to be concerts only, why are they interviewing everyone (dancers, band)? Has MJ filmed behind the scenes footage of his other tours and interviewed people? And if they decided to do interviews to make the movie more interesting or whatever, after his "death" then why are they all talking in present tense, happy and excited?  A lot of times I thought they were just acting as if it was natural, much like the Jackson Family Dynasty series; made to look spontaneous but really scripted.  And why would MJ have himself as a voice-over talking about how he loves trees, etc. if it was only meant to be concerts? Not that I mind hearing him talk, obviously...it just seemed odd. =
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 27, 2011, 09:50:01 AM
Looking at the recent trial developments, I more and more tend to think this hoax is meant to last four years! That's why MJ said "We've got four years to get it right" - "it" - being his comeback and clearing his good name.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 27, 2011, 10:16:10 PM
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Looking at the recent trial developments, I more and more tend to think this hoax is meant to last four years! That's why MJ said "We've got four years to get it right" - "it" - being his comeback and clearing his good name.


If there is a thought that Michael is waiting his name be cleared up before he returns, then it will never happen, simply because there is no way people' s sick  minds will be cleared 100%. There will always be sick, evil , stubborn, stupid ones who will talk bad about MJ calling him wacko/ molester/freak. And MJ realizes it very well.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 28, 2011, 03:31:40 AM
Well, TS just said we are near the end....
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 28, 2011, 05:44:32 AM
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The come back has to be analised in accordance to the reasons for hoaxing his death.
He wanted to get away and live on an island somewhere, in hiding for the rest of his life? That could have been done without all the circus of a faked death.
So I don't think that was the reason.

Exposing the media who is no longer doing its job of informing people of the real events, but it's fabricating stories for money, looks like a good reason and this means he will come back, otherwise he can't reach his goal of exposing the media.

The end of the world? I am not sure about this but he said we have 4 years to make it right. Then he died and left us the question why he said it? Are we indeed living the apocalipse and we don't even realise? How many ends of world passed and nothing happened? People don't really believe the world could end during their lifetime....yes it will end some day but always not now but in a distant future.....

Was Michael seeing the signs of the end of times? But he told us it's and adventure, a great adventure, and that there is nothing to be nervous about. Hmmmm, I would be very nervous if I knew the  end of the world  is coming  :? .  If that was his reason than I would say the come back is a must.

Of course, another possibility is that he simply died and in this case I agree he won't come back but in another reincarnation, probably not during our lifetime.
I see the "end of the world" and "apocalipse" as very open to interpretation type things. Could mean major changes or even ways of thinking. Could be literal--could be symbolical, hard to say. This is God's world stage, history drama that we are all actors in, and He is the writer, director etc. We can trust God. I believe we can trust what Michael has planned here as well, whatever future role he will play and how it will involve us.

On MJ's return, I'm thinking of the HMH video. Right at the beginning the lone voice calls, "Come back!" I think put in deliberately and I believe Michael was behind the video's making. Another short clip is the camera moving up from below the ground to grass and sunlight, as in resurrection. A resurrection means seeing the person again. At the end we see this boot step into the puddle by MJ's star of fame, and I believe that is MJ's foot indicating his come-back. Who else's foot would the creator be meaning, leaving it as a mystery (there's the water theme again). All the incredible work of putting together and carrying out this hoax, would be completely pointless without a return.

Just reminds me of the movie Mrs. Doubtfire. When "her" mask comes off and everyone sees it is the children's dad, there is major shock and upset by some. But when the dust settles there is a whole new world of opportunity that opens up, a new paradyme begins. Mrs. Doubtfire has her own TV show and is loved by children everywhere.

When MJ returns, there will be mega shock, joy, anger, hatred, name-calling. But when the dust settles a whole new view on MJ will emerge. A seed has to die before it springs to life to produce fruit. I believe MJ has this all under control, under God's guidance and protection.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 28, 2011, 07:07:07 AM
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Well, TS just said we are near the end....


When did he say that?  :shock:
I must have missed something,...
I remember he said that in January 2010 though...  :|
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 28, 2011, 02:30:03 PM
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Well, TS just said we are near the end....


Really? How close that end because we have postponed the end several times already.

PS. Is that your picture on avatar, Gina? Are you a man? Just curious.  :D
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 28, 2011, 02:59:39 PM
A dead mj do not leave clues....or if he faked his death and never will come back,don't ya think he will make sure to not leave any trace at all,not even the easiest clues like wrong middle name and wrong hair color on autopsy report.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: February 28, 2011, 03:42:27 PM
I am going to stick with my intuition!
 It is not telling me he is DEAD!
I feel in my heart he is going to return!
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: March 23, 2011, 07:43:06 PM
ILOVEMJ,

I can see where you have your doubts but please don't throw in the towel. Not yet. These clues, this hoax, this trial, and this situation has gone on for far too long to quit. But you're right, none of us are 100 % sure Michael is alive. And maybe we don't have concrete evidence of him being alive, but it's also true that we don't have concrete evidence of him being dead either and you have to remember that "just because it's in print, doesn't mean it's the gospel". If he's alive, which I truly believe he is with all of my heart, then he did this because he was in danger. He did NOT do this just for the heck of it. Michael said himself that he has been a target and that he was fearing for his life and he wasn't more scared than the days leading up to his death. That should ring a bell right there. Michael was planning an enormous concert for his fans the audiences of the world that was going to smash records and completely blow the world away. Think about how the people who are targeting him would have reacted to that. Well, if you don't know the answer, here it is. I am sure they thought "Hey, look! Michael, our target, is putting together a comeback! Now we can REALLY get him! He will be right out in the open". Now, Michael is extremely smart and he seems to be one step ahead of his enemies all the time. He must have sensed this and the only thing he could do to save his life and his children was to fake his death. That way, if he is "dead", there's no way they can target him.

Once again, I believe Michael is alive with all my heart but not because I'm such a big fan that I just can't believe he's gone. That's not it. I'm 16 years old and I've been an MJ fan since I was 4. Am I a big fan? Of course but do I believe he's alive because I just can't take the fact that he's dead? Absolutely not. I just truly believe that Michael was in danger and that his family, his close friends, and pieces of the media are hiding the truth on us. I've always said that if Michael is alive and if he loves his fans and music too much to let them go, he will come back, only if he feels that it's safe to. But I also have always said that if Dr. Murray goes to jail, then he must be dead.

But please, keep the faith at least until the trial is over.

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: March 24, 2011, 03:13:23 AM
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ILOVEMJ,

I can see where you have your doubts but please don't throw in the towel. Not yet. These clues, this hoax, this trial, and this situation has gone on for far too long to quit. But you're right, none of us are 100 % sure Michael is alive. And maybe we don't have concrete evidence of him being alive, but it's also true that we don't have concrete evidence of him being dead either
 I just truly believe that Michael was in danger and that his family, his close friends, and pieces of the media are hiding the truth on us. I've always said that if Michael is alive and if he loves his fans and music too much to let them go, he will come back, only if he feels that it's safe to. But I also have always said that if Dr. Murray goes to jail, then he must be dead.]

I support your opinion, except for the last sentence. Here is why.
if Murray goes to jail, it absolutely won't indicate that Michael is dead .
I have always considered 2 possibilities of Murray role: that he was hired to kill Michael but failed or he joined Michael to help him hoax. In both cases,  Murray must be charged with at least manslaughter not to frighten bigger fishes. Those who wanted Michael dead must believe he is dead, for now.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: March 26, 2011, 02:30:57 PM
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ILOVEMJ,

I can see where you have your doubts but please don't throw in the towel. Not yet. These clues, this hoax, this trial, and this situation has gone on for far too long to quit. But you're right, none of us are 100 % sure Michael is alive. And maybe we don't have concrete evidence of him being alive, but it's also true that we don't have concrete evidence of him being dead either
 I just truly believe that Michael was in danger and that his family, his close friends, and pieces of the media are hiding the truth on us. I've always said that if Michael is alive and if he loves his fans and music too much to let them go, he will come back, only if he feels that it's safe to. But I also have always said that if Dr. Murray goes to jail, then he must be dead.]

I support your opinion, except for the last sentence. Here is why.
if Murray goes to jail, it absolutely won't indicate that Michael is dead .
I have always considered 2 possibilities of Murray role: that he was hired to kill Michael but failed or he joined Michael to help him hoax. In both cases,  Murray must be charged with at least manslaughter not to frighten bigger fishes. Those who wanted Michael dead must believe he is dead, for now.

You're entitled to your opinion but I, personally, would lose my faith if Murray went to jail because even if he did join Michael in the hoax, MJ would never let an innocent man suffer in jail.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: March 26, 2011, 08:35:36 PM
I don't come here often and can't read all, but I was thinking along the lines ...
Why should he come back?
Michael Jackson has been chased a lot during his life, by media and fans. In fact people that appreciated his art, but never been obsessed with the artist, would never be heard in the mass hysteria.
I see many reasons for hoaxing his death and coming back would be just a "may be"

1. He was living in a golden cage, but he wanted his children to be free. May be he thought if he disappeared it would be better for them.
2. The wold needs to separate the art from the artist. He has good messages in his lyrics, but it is hard to hear them among the screams from media and avid fans. So, he had to do something while the message is still relevant, save the world if he really believed we only had few years.

I can not tell if this is working at this point or not. May be #1 is working, #2, not so much.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: March 26, 2011, 08:54:06 PM
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I don't come here often and can't read all, but I was thinking along the lines ...
Why should he come back?
Michael Jackson has been chased a lot during his life, by media and fans. In fact people that appreciated his art, but never been obsessed with the artist, would never be heard in the mass hysteria.
I see many reasons for hoaxing his death and coming back would be just a "may be"

1. He was living in a golden cage, but he wanted his children to be free. May be he thought if he disappeared it would be better for them.
2. The wold needs to separate the art from the artist. He has good messages in his lyrics, but it is hard to hear them among the screams from media and avid fans. So, he had to do something while the message is still relevant, save the world if he really believed we only had few years.
I can not tell if this is working at this point or not. May be #1 is working, #2, not so much.

if we don't start listening we are going to self distruct.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: March 31, 2011, 04:27:04 AM
I believe the signs point to MJ having planned this hoax for at least 20 years. The theme of this same death and resurrection is given in many of his videos and songs. It is given in TII. I believe the most important reason for the hoax is not that his life is in danger, although it often appears that troubles follow him. MJ said he has rhinoceros skin and he doesn't let those things get to him. Rather it is for the ultimate "Greatest Show on Earth", an incredible work of art, "talent like you never seen before", a real live Thriller 2 movie with us included, an adventure. Most importantly Michael felt that God gave him the songs, and a special message to the world of love to bring healing for all people that would save us from destroying ourselvles. TS listed all those things as being the reasons, but he did not mention that MJ's life was actually in danger. TS also confirmed that absolutely Michael was going to come back. The waiting is very painfully hard, because we are constantly under attack from the non-believers taunting us, and our own inner doubts the longer we go without the return. MJ has planned this for so long and he will take his own sweet time in carrying it out to completion. He says, "All the things that I promised, I'll fulfill in time" in Invincible.

All the thousands of crazy details and inconsistencies in this hoax that we've discovered are there to assure us that the mastermind is at work behind the scenes for us, and if he's gone to that much work then surely he will bring the final act that every good magician delivers to wow his audience, the grand escape and appearance! We have to "keep watching". This is the longest-running magician act ever. I'm not going anywhere.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 02, 2011, 04:22:32 PM
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i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive

Part of me really believes he's dead, and that is what aches the most...but then there is another side of me that says "What if"??  I personally wouldn't mind him doing this - his life had become a circus....no wonder he wanted to walk away from it...but then again, why would he do this to his children who he loved more than life itself?
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 02, 2011, 05:04:21 PM
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i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive

Part of me really believes he's dead, and that is what aches the most...but then there is another side of me that says "What if"??  I personally wouldn't mind him doing this - his life had become a circus....no wonder he wanted to walk away from it...but then again, why would he do this to his children who he loved more than life itself?
Have you read all of this?

If you haven't I highly recommend it because after reading it you'll be convinced just as much as I am. I've seen lots of videos and read more though.. But even that post on the homepage is great.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 12, 2011, 03:08:11 AM
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I don't come here often and can't read all, but I was thinking along the lines ...
Why should he come back?
Michael Jackson has been chased a lot during his life, by media and fans. In fact people that appreciated his art, but never been obsessed with the artist, would never be heard in the mass hysteria.
I see many reasons for hoaxing his death and coming back would be just a "may be"

1. He was living in a golden cage, but he wanted his children to be free. May be he thought if he disappeared it would be better for them.
2. The wold needs to separate the art from the artist. He has good messages in his lyrics, but it is hard to hear them among the screams from media and avid fans. So, he had to do something while the message is still relevant, save the world if he really believed we only had few years.

I can not tell if this is working at this point or not. May be #1 is working, #2, not so much.


Great post. I love your #2 reasoning especially. Very forward thinking. :)
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 12, 2011, 02:56:39 PM
I have a special message to all of you,  I had a conversation with someone last night I really cant get into any details but I was told that he/she is employed with Michael.  Said to tell everyone that MIchael is alive and he is doing well.  He is healthy and safe.  I was told that Michael had to do what he did for himself and his family's safety.  It is true that Michael was very much in danger of his life and his children's.  He had no choice but he is fine and getting alot of rest which he richly deserves and needs.  I was told to tell all of Michael's fans that he loves them very much and he worries about them and is sad that he had to do what he did and the fact that there are so many still out there who believes that he is dead and that he knows they are hurting and it makes him very sad.  I was told to inform everyone that he will be back but no date yet said when Michael is ready and 100% sure he will be safe to come back.  The person told me that the children are not with Michael but he sees them as often as possible for him to see them.  The person would not say where Michael is but told me if they told me where Michael was I would not believe it.  I am from the Bahamas and they did tell me that he is not in the Bahamas (smile).  I dont know who the person is but we were in the chatroom talking and then they started PM me.  They said they are with Michael and he is being well taken care of.  He is happy and trying to enjoy his life right now.  It was a long conversation and too much to go into here.  But Michael is worrying alot about us and it makes him sad to see what we are going through and he knows that some people will hate him for what he did but it could not be avoided.  But he asked me to please stress to everyone that he loves you all very much and thinks about his fans every minute of the day and that when he comes back we aint see nothing yet.  He said to please please dont hate him and try to understand but he will let us know.  He told me that he could tell me how Michael pulled 06/25/09 off but couldnt tell me much more but i was so out of it I didnt ask them, but if I hear from them today I will ask.  The person was limited to what they could tell me but we talked alot mostly giving encouragement to Michael to let him know that his fans love him more than anything in the world and we just want him back safe and sound.   I dont know whether this person is on the up and up but I am just telling you about the conversation I know we've had alot of trolls in the past and still some coming on but this is the message I was told.  I really dont know what to think of it and was apprehensive to let all of you know but I decided to anyway.  Blessings to all.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 12, 2011, 08:37:08 PM
I know we have had so many trolls coming on claiming to know michael personally or giving clues as if they were michael but tell me what you think about this.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 12, 2011, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: "mopey3655"
I know we have had so many trolls coming on claiming to know michael personally or giving clues as if they were michael but tell me what you think about this.
Your post above definitely details a very interesting conversation.  In answer to your question, though, there's really no telling who's who on here--just everyone's best guess.  Just my two cents.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 13, 2011, 12:01:39 AM
I don't believe you really want to know what I think!!! If you really had that conversation, I am flabbergasted you actually believed it. Someone just started to PM you and told you that he is alive. OK, I guess that settles it. Excuse me if I sound sarcastic  :roll:
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 13, 2011, 12:44:28 AM
Quote from: "mopey3655"
I have a special message to all of you,  I had a conversation with someone last night I really cant get into any details but I was told that he/she is employed with Michael.  Said to tell everyone that MIchael is alive and he is doing well.  He is healthy and safe.  I was told that Michael had to do what he did for himself and his family's safety.  It is true that Michael was very much in danger of his life and his children's.  He had no choice but he is fine and getting alot of rest which he richly deserves and needs.  I was told to tell all of Michael's fans that he loves them very much and he worries about them and is sad that he had to do what he did and the fact that there are so many still out there who believes that he is dead and that he knows they are hurting and it makes him very sad.  I was told to inform everyone that he will be back but no date yet said when Michael is ready and 100% sure he will be safe to come back.  The person told me that the children are not with Michael but he sees them as often as possible for him to see them.  The person would not say where Michael is but told me if they told me where Michael was I would not believe it.  I am from the Bahamas and they did tell me that he is not in the Bahamas (smile).  I dont know who the person is but we were in the chatroom talking and then they started PM me.  They said they are with Michael and he is being well taken care of.  He is happy and trying to enjoy his life right now.  It was a long conversation and too much to go into here.  But Michael is worrying alot about us and it makes him sad to see what we are going through and he knows that some people will hate him for what he did but it could not be avoided.  But he asked me to please stress to everyone that he loves you all very much and thinks about his fans every minute of the day and that when he comes back we aint see nothing yet.  He said to please please dont hate him and try to understand but he will let us know.  He told me that he could tell me how Michael pulled 06/25/09 off but couldnt tell me much more but i was so out of it I didnt ask them, but if I hear from them today I will ask.  The person was limited to what they could tell me but we talked alot mostly giving encouragement to Michael to let him know that his fans love him more than anything in the world and we just want him back safe and sound.   I dont know whether this person is on the up and up but I am just telling you about the conversation I know we've had alot of trolls in the past and still some coming on but this is the message I was told.  I really dont know what to think of it and was apprehensive to let all of you know but I decided to anyway.  Blessings to all.

Mopey - thank you so much for taking the chance to share this with us knowing that some will accept what you say and some won't.  That's what love is all about - opening yourself up for the good of the other person. You could of kept this to yourself but you didn't. You've been on this forum long enough now that I know you are sincere.

Now, do I believe it? Maybe not but then is everyone a liar? IDK - I do think there are some who have tried to relay messages but we haven't listened very well. All I can say is that the truth will prevail in the end. Give it time, keep your mind, ears, eyes, and heart open to hear the truth but weed out the lies.

Many blessings to you. If you hear any more from this person, please feel free to share. If it's truth it will hold solid till the end. Thanks again for sharing.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 18, 2011, 08:35:53 PM
Thank you voiceforthesilent for your kind words and to answer cassiope's remark actually it was not a PM it was a discussion in the chatroom and that is your choice whether you believe me or not I respect that but its not only me who have had conversations with this person and they can verify and many of them have feelings that this person is genuine.  If you were in the chatroom at the time and a part of the conversations that we had with this person then you can maybe understand why I said what I said.  This person is one of the only people who actually came on and say the things they said and it seems believable.  I am hoping that Souza comes on and he is in the chatroom and she can talk to him herself and make her determination.  Speaking for myself I believe what he is saying, yes I may be wrong about this person but he hasnt done any harm as far as I am concerned, only said good, positive things and wanting the same thing all of us want to have Michael back safe and in good health but then again thats my opinion.  I am only relaying a message and that is Michael loves his fans and misses them very much.  He worries for us very much and is sad that he had to do this the way it was done but he was left no choice because his life and the lives of his family is in fact in danger and he had to do what he did for the sake of him and his family.  He never want to hurt his fans because he loves them very very much but he will be back and he promises to make it up to them.  That is what I was told to relay to all of you and that is what I promised to do.  So please tell me if this message has hurt anyone no matter who it came from.  Blessings.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 18, 2011, 08:44:14 PM
I don't know what to think mopey.  You had this conversation on the 12th and I got a phone call from L.A. where I know NO ONE on the 14th.  There's something scary going on :shock:
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 18, 2011, 08:55:56 PM
Also let me explain that alll the conversations were held in the chatroom only when there was a particular thing that he wanted to relay he would whisper to me in the chatroom and I would relay it.  He said he knows that some will not believe what he says but all he wants is to let everyone know what is going on.  He said there are things that he cannot tell us and that is from instructions from Michael because they dont want to put Michael at risk but almost all of the conversation with this person was done with others in the chatroom,  he conversated with many of us who were in the chatroom and told not just me.  So some of the others can also give you their opinions of this person and whether they believe he is telling the truth.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 19, 2011, 06:20:29 PM
Well folks just coming back with an update on our mystery person was in the chatroom last evening and Souza came in and if there is anyone on this forum who would find out the truth is Souza and guess what "Troll".  Souza tore them up it was upsetting but very funny too couldnt believe it.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 20, 2011, 09:08:24 AM
Quote from: "mopey3655"
Well folks just coming back with an update on our mystery person was in the chatroom last evening and Souza came in and if there is anyone on this forum who would find out the truth is Souza and guess what "Troll".  Souza tore them up it was upsetting but very funny too couldnt believe it.
So, what exactly happened? Souza discovered out they were only trolling? :?
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 21, 2011, 11:58:12 PM
mopey3655  what chatroom do you mean, this website chatroom or elsewhere? If it is this chatroom, I think guests cannot send PM to members if I am not wrong.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: April 22, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
Looks like that chat was another mind phuck once again with trolls.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 09, 2011, 09:54:30 PM
 michael-jackson/

I love MJ.. i have been his fan since i was 5, to me he was more than an artist!! as much as i would LOVE to think he is alive.. .. my question is.. why would dr. conrad still be going to trial..why would all that still be in court.. ?.. their are SO SO many pieces that just dont fit.. with rather he is dead or alive.. .. any thoughts?

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 10, 2011, 08:25:46 AM
NOT THIS AGAIN,  we have spoken about this.. Why are people so pessimistic, be optimistic once in a while it would be nice. It seems you are a non believer.. Listen for the last time.. Michael faked his death due to life threatning, police and fbi is on it.. Now he never cashed his life insurance, and once you do not cash life insurance it is not an offense.. Please take this misconception out of your heads, this subjects comes out often and it is getting a little annoying. Michael will come back, he will not disappoint his fans, and especially he is seeing how much he is missed.
Please check all the slip ups all the brothers and sisters are saying.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 10, 2011, 04:25:45 PM
First of all we found out that faking your death is not a crime as long as you are not trying to escape from being convicted, or committing insurance fraud etc.  He probably has the help from the FBI or other authorities so it is not a crime.  A lot of information is pointing to the fact that he had to do it to save his life and even to protect his children.   It is more dangerous than you think because it may not be only crooked SONY executives or lawyers, police etc.   As we have learned about the illuminati it could go way up the chain, from the freemasons, to the bilderberger group, bohemian grove, and others from the so called "evil" bloodline.  The military-industrial complex trying to take over the world "New World Order". 

So I think this hoax was to save his life but also to SAVE THE WORLD, and awaken people to the TRUTH about what is going on.  People have to stop the propofol drip and WAKE UP.   I don't think he was taking propofol to sleep.  That is a drug for operations for surgery.   This is a message for us to WAKE UP and seek the TRUTH.  You can't just tell people.  They have to learn it for themselves.

People have to learn that the media and governments are not giving us the whole truth.  They have to learn about all the corruption and evil in the world.  We have to learn about it so we can fix it.  Heal the World, Make that change. 

It is hard because things you thought were real or there for you aren't.  For example Government, Education, Religion, Economics, Science.  We were not given complete, correct, and completely true information.   There is a lot of mind control and manipulation.   Seek the truth so we can heal the world.  Also, you have to do it with Peace and Love.  That is the only way it will work.

Also, an additional reason for this hoax may be related to the new age of peace starting on December 21, 2012.  I don't think it is a coincidence that this date keeps popping up.  I think it is planned.    This is also the same date as the Mayan Calendar, Sumerian calendar, given by Nostradamus, and talked about by current scientists.  This is the date when the planets will all be lined up and earth will be in the center of the milky way.  This only happens every 26,000 or so years !!!!!!   I think he has been trying to tell us for years.  Listen to the song "Another part of me", and "We are here to change the World", and there are pictures of the milky way and planets and stars and spaceships etc.   all over the place.  So, the prediction is that earth will receive more energy and we will enter a new age of consciousness and peace.  He is getting us ready for it.  It won't work if we keep up the hate, fear, greed, evil and violence.     
Also, there are songs, symbols and art about the corrupt government, illuminati, and police all over his stuff.  Watch both videos for "They don't care about us".  One is in brazil or somewhere where they had the SLAVE TRADE, and one is in a prison.   Also, watch the video of the panther dance where he is fighting the KKK, and other groups.   He has been saying to fight this evil for a long time.

People think it is just entertainment but it is a lot more.  I think he had to fake his death so people would FINALLY PAY ATTENTION and LISTEN, and LEARN and SEEK THE TRUTH.   He can't do it by himself.

I don't know if he will come back physically or not but that is not what is important.  The messages are important.  The evil party did not want him to spread his messages so that is why they gave him a hard time, tried to put him in prison, and probably wanted him dead.    Help him by spreading the messages and learning. penguin/   LOVE  and PEACE     
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 10, 2011, 04:41:46 PM
Holy cannoli, awesome post Dontwalkaway!  The only way Michael can make the world finally pay attention was to fake his death.  There is nothing more serious in life than death and Michael is showing he's deadly serious.  There is also an entertainment factor, it's Michael Jackson after all, but sh*t's gonna get real too.  The world needs to be uplifted instead of continuing in it's seemingly downward spiral.  I believe that Michael will be back physically because not nearly enough people have caught on and the world is his stage, literally.

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 10, 2011, 06:16:36 PM
First of all we found out that faking your death is not a crime as long as you are not trying to escape from being convicted, or committing insurance fraud etc.  He probably has the help from the FBI or other authorities so it is not a crime.  A lot of information is pointing to the fact that he had to do it to save his life and even to protect his children.   It is more dangerous than you think because it may not be only crooked SONY executives or lawyers, police etc.   As we have learned about the illuminati it could go way up the chain, from the freemasons, to the bilderberger group, bohemian grove, and others from the so called "evil" bloodline.  The military-industrial complex trying to take over the world "New World Order". 

So I think this hoax was to save his life but also to SAVE THE WORLD, and awaken people to the TRUTH about what is going on.  People have to stop the propofol drip and WAKE UP.   I don't think he was taking propofol to sleep.  That is a drug for operations for surgery.   This is a message for us to WAKE UP and seek the TRUTH.  You can't just tell people.  They have to learn it for themselves.

People have to learn that the media and governments are not giving us the whole truth.  They have to learn about all the corruption and evil in the world.  We have to learn about it so we can fix it.  Heal the World, Make that change. 

It is hard because things you thought were real or there for you aren't.  For example Government, Education, Religion, Economics, Science.  We were not given complete, correct, and completely true information.   There is a lot of mind control and manipulation.   Seek the truth so we can heal the world.  Also, you have to do it with Peace and Love.  That is the only way it will work.

Also, an additional reason for this hoax may be related to the new age of peace starting on December 21, 2012.  I don't think it is a coincidence that this date keeps popping up.  I think it is planned.    This is also the same date as the Mayan Calendar, Sumerian calendar, given by Nostradamus, and talked about by current scientists.  This is the date when the planets will all be lined up and earth will be in the center of the milky way.  This only happens every 26,000 or so years !!!!!!   I think he has been trying to tell us for years.  Listen to the song "Another part of me", and "We are here to change the World", and there are pictures of the milky way and planets and stars and spaceships etc.   all over the place.  So, the prediction is that earth will receive more energy and we will enter a new age of consciousness and peace.  He is getting us ready for it.  It won't work if we keep up the hate, fear, greed, evil and violence.     
Also, there are songs, symbols and art about the corrupt government, illuminati, and police all over his stuff.  Watch both videos for "They don't care about us".  One is in brazil or somewhere where they had the SLAVE TRADE, and one is in a prison.   Also, watch the video of the panther dance where he is fighting the KKK, and other groups.   He has been saying to fight this evil for a long time.

People think it is just entertainment but it is a lot more.  I think he had to fake his death so people would FINALLY PAY ATTENTION and LISTEN, and LEARN and SEEK THE TRUTH.   He can't do it by himself.

I don't know if he will come back physically or not but that is not what is important.  The messages are important.  The evil party did not want him to spread his messages so that is why they gave him a hard time, tried to put him in prison, and probably wanted him dead.    Help him by spreading the messages and learning. penguin/   LOVE  and PEACE     


Great Post!! Blessings Love and Light to you! bearhug

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 10, 2011, 08:24:26 PM
Blessings,love and light to all of you also.  Let's help Michael "Heal the World".  That is the point of this hoax I think.   Hopefully it will awaken and enlighten more people.   It really will change the world, but we have to do it together.   Peace and Love.    bearhug
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 10, 2011, 11:16:53 PM
If Michael is alive he will come back. This is what I believe.
My same thoughts ;)


I learned a loooong time ago that Michael will come back when he is ready and knows it's the right time! ::P So don't even stress abt it....everything will work out soon enough...!
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Shifting shadows, a songbird sings
And if you feel alone, I'll be your shoulder
With a tender touch, you know me so well
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Baby, who can really tell when two hearts belong so well



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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: September 11, 2011, 04:26:33 AM
its all for love l.o.v.e love. dont give up hope, if he is alive he is sure to come back we just need to take into consideration that he is in trouble and that all we can do is be there for him when he needs us!!!
 
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 12:15:48 AM
This whole thing is just soooooo discouraging.  :'( I look at the videos via youtube on the theories that MJ might still be alive....and I'm like, "YAY! This makes a lot of sense". But then the next day I turn on the tv and see the whole court cases and the extreme measures of it all and I'm like, "what if he really is gone?!" Why would he go to the extreme of putting everyone (including Earl/ Conrad) through all of this...among his fans, kids, siblings, and parents. It's like an emotional rollercoaster and I'm just SOOOOOO anxious to find out what is really going on!  :( I really do hope his family gets the justice they deserve. Michael was a very LOVING person. It just tore my heart out to see his facial expression when he was found not guilty on all of the charges/counts against him. But I digress. I really do hope this is all one hoax and not reality.....
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 01:16:43 AM
If in fact no life insurance has been collected on the families part then that is a HUGE red flag that Michael is still alive and is simmering...lol.  :D

I'm very optimistic about all that is going on.

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 02:47:05 PM
i love michael jackson but think about it
why would his whole family still be playing along with the idea of his death if he were to come out in the nearer future??
Faking your own death is a criminal offence, so if he did come back, he would go straight to prison
And if he wasnt dead then why would Conrad Murray be in the process of prosecution?
There is no reason for michael to do all of this, everything else is just coincidences that we fans have put together for a defense because we dont want to believe that he really is gone
i have read and watched and heard everything about his hoax and i still havent seen much concrete evidence of him still being alive



I totally agree with you and in another topic I read just below yours or somewhere below, she said he can do anything he wants, well I dont care who you are or what authority you have in this world, one must still comply to the consqences given. What makes MJ so powerful, nothing really, we the people (fans) give him that title.

I do not believe or am big on authority and to me, if one has authority over someone else, (jobs, schools, anywhere really) does not make you God or rule the earth at all. I will admit, yes its nice to know someone at the top sometimes, as we all know in this world (whether we want it to be that way or not, it is, it will never change, sad but true) however sometimes knowing people helps us with jobs and such, we all have done it and since its part of our society, we might as well deal with it. I have known people that have moved up in my jobs because they know someone although the government will not admit it, once again the way of the world.

Another thing, there is a topic on him coming back as the new "Jesus", comeon what is wrong with you people, if spirtual you will know that no one comes back as God it doesnt matter who you are once again.  I also believe that Michael would not want to come back as well the new "jesus" , or is trying to,as said in one topic, he does not believe that he is better than anyone, just that he was given a gift. We all have some kind of gift.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 05:23:12 PM
Guess it all depends on your definition of "come back".
Btw, being optimistic feels so much better.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 05:57:58 PM
Where do you guys find all these old threads?  lolol/ 

Yes, he will be BACK.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 06:29:19 PM
Where do you guys find all these old threads?  lolol/ 

Yes, he will be BACK.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 06:42:31 PM
you guys,
after having some doubts myself last week (after seeing that "body" picture) I can only tell what I came to realize: if michael was really dead. it wouldn't be so f***ing complicated!
it's that simple!
when someone dies - and it really doesn't matter how huge of a star he is -  then he is dead, burried, gone. no question about it (just think about amy winehouse - did anyone question her death? was there anything weird about it? nop).
in michael's case, there are just too many things that don't add up. too many.
  :-X
I recently wrote an article (i'm a journalist in israel) about the hoax (I even interviewed souza for it) and I started researching about other celebrties who died and which thier fans believed to have faked their deaths.
well, no one, but NO ONE had so many weird, questionable circumstances - jim morrison, kurt cobain, princess diana, etc. they all died, leaving their fans heart broken, many of them didn't want to believe it, they started looking for clues and odd things. they found some, but hardly enough.   
the only one who comes close to michael is of course elvis, but even in his case, there aren't so many clues and weird things. elvis_/

plus, the most important thing that michael is trying to tell us before and after his "death", and some of you seem to forget it, is not to listen to everything that the media tells us. and as someone who works in the media (in israel, but still), I can tell you from first hand that he is completely right!
instead, listen to what his friends and family are telling us. if teddy riley thinks michael's alive, then I think so too!

so just stop giving yourself a headache with questions and doubts - if michael is coming or not coming back, it's irrelevant (it's not like any of us were his BFF) the FACT is that there's something seriously strange with his "death" and sooner or later, we will have an answer.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 06:53:44 PM
you guys,
after having some doubts myself last week (after seeing that "body" picture) I can only tell what I came to realize: if michael was really dead. it wouldn't be so f***ing complicated!
it's that simple!
when someone dies - and it really doesn't matter how huge of a star he is -  then he is dead, burried, gone. no question about it (just think about amy winehouse - did anyone question her death? was there anything weird about it? nop).
in michael's case, there are just too many things that don't add up. too many.
  :-X
I recently wrote an article (i'm a journalist in israel) about the hoax (I even interviewed souza for it) and I started researching about other celebrties who died and which thier fans believed to have faked their deaths.
well, no one, but NO ONE had so many weird, questionable circumstances - jim morrison, kurt cobain, princess diana, etc. they all died, leaving their fans heart broken, many of them didn't want to believe it, they started looking for clues and odd things. they found some, but hardly enough.   
the only one who comes close to michael is of course elvis, but even in his case, there aren't so many clues and weird things. elvis_/

plus, the most important thing that michael is trying to tell us before and after his "death", and some of you seem to forget it, is not to listen to everything that the media tells us. and as someone who works in the media (in israel, but still), I can tell you from first hand that he is completely right!
instead, listen to what his friends and family are telling us. if teddy riley thinks michael's alive, then I think so too!

so just stop giving yourself a headache with questions and doubts - if michael is coming or not coming back, it's irrelevant (it's not like any of us were his BFF) the FACT is that there's something seriously strange with his "death" and sooner or later, we will have an answer.

This is some great encouragement and great advice. Thanks for posting this.  /bravo/ ;))
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 05, 2011, 07:01:53 PM
well, no one, but NO ONE had so many weird, questionable circumstances ...

- that's exactly why I'm here for example - things are way too messy for murder cover up
I started with, just way too messy, sooo..  :roll: we should keep watching!

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 06, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
First of all we found out that faking your death is not a crime as long as you are not trying to escape from being convicted, or committing insurance fraud etc.  He probably has the help from the FBI or other authorities so it is not a crime.  A lot of information is pointing to the fact that he had to do it to save his life and even to protect his children.   It is more dangerous than you think because it may not be only crooked SONY executives or lawyers, police etc.   As we have learned about the illuminati it could go way up the chain, from the freemasons, to the bilderberger group, bohemian grove, and others from the so called "evil" bloodline.  The military-industrial complex trying to take over the world "New World Order". 

So I think this hoax was to save his life but also to SAVE THE WORLD, and awaken people to the TRUTH about what is going on.  People have to stop the propofol drip and WAKE UP.   I don't think he was taking propofol to sleep.  That is a drug for operations for surgery.   This is a message for us to WAKE UP and seek the TRUTH.  You can't just tell people.  They have to learn it for themselves.

People have to learn that the media and governments are not giving us the whole truth.  They have to learn about all the corruption and evil in the world.  We have to learn about it so we can fix it.  Heal the World, Make that change. 

It is hard because things you thought were real or there for you aren't.  For example Government, Education, Religion, Economics, Science.  We were not given complete, correct, and completely true information.   There is a lot of mind control and manipulation.   Seek the truth so we can heal the world.  Also, you have to do it with Peace and Love.  That is the only way it will work.

Also, an additional reason for this hoax may be related to the new age of peace starting on December 21, 2012.  I don't think it is a coincidence that this date keeps popping up.  I think it is planned.    This is also the same date as the Mayan Calendar, Sumerian calendar, given by Nostradamus, and talked about by current scientists.  This is the date when the planets will all be lined up and earth will be in the center of the milky way.  This only happens every 26,000 or so years !!!!!!   I think he has been trying to tell us for years.  Listen to the song "Another part of me", and "We are here to change the World", and there are pictures of the milky way and planets and stars and spaceships etc.   all over the place.  So, the prediction is that earth will receive more energy and we will enter a new age of consciousness and peace.  He is getting us ready for it.  It won't work if we keep up the hate, fear, greed, evil and violence.     
Also, there are songs, symbols and art about the corrupt government, illuminati, and police all over his stuff.  Watch both videos for "They don't care about us".  One is in brazil or somewhere where they had the SLAVE TRADE, and one is in a prison.   Also, watch the video of the panther dance where he is fighting the KKK, and other groups.   He has been saying to fight this evil for a long time.

People think it is just entertainment but it is a lot more.  I think he had to fake his death so people would FINALLY PAY ATTENTION and LISTEN, and LEARN and SEEK THE TRUTH.   He can't do it by himself.

I don't know if he will come back physically or not but that is not what is important.  The messages are important.  The evil party did not want him to spread his messages so that is why they gave him a hard time, tried to put him in prison, and probably wanted him dead.    Help him by spreading the messages and learning. penguin/   LOVE  and PEACE     


THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE!!!!!!! Makes my day feel a lot better! /bravo/ #NowPlaying "Tabloid Junkie".  moonwalk_/
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 06, 2011, 11:16:51 PM
I totally believe he is alive and in witness protection for now.  But I don't know how he can ever actually come back because the people who wanted him dead will still want him dead.....they can't arrest everyone!  I bet Tom Sneddon is LHAO....but I'd love to see his face IF MJ actually does come back! 

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 11:06:51 AM
Not gonna say anything new, and not being negative and all, but Michael won't come back. IF he is alive...
Those trolls, who sent Mopey a message about Michael that he's alive, ok and very sorry, are real bithces. Karma will get you sooner or later. Mark my words.
Again, Michael won't come back because 1. he doesn't need to/shouldn't. He's finally getting his rest. 2. If he does, all those haters will crucify him. 3. Otherwise, all his family would just look ridiculous. All those tears, tributes, etc...
Elvis never came back. I know, I know - Elvis and Michael are different people, but still. Officially Michael won't come back like - "Hello! Guess, who's back?! It's me - Michael F****** Jackson! Please honour and love." No. I think he'll just continue giving somekind of signs.
And again, I'm not being pessimistic - just realistic.

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 11:17:08 AM
Not gonna say anything new, and not being negative and all, but Michael won't come back. IF he is alive...
Those trolls, who sent Mopey a message about Michael that he's alive, ok and very sorry, are real bithces. Karma will get you sooner or later. Mark my words.
Again, Michael won't come back because 1. he doesn't need to/shouldn't. He's finally getting his rest. 2. If he does, all those haters will crucify him. 3. Otherwise, all his family would just look ridiculous. All those tears, tributes, etc...
Elvis never came back. I know, I know - Elvis and Michael are different people, but still. Officially Michael won't come back like - "Hello! Guess, who's back?! It's me - Michael F****** Jackson! Please honour and love." No. I think he'll just continue giving somekind of signs.
And again, I'm not being pessimistic - just realistic.

I think you're one of those people who just wants to move on and hear nothing about it, that's pessismistic, dear. No way around it.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 11:32:32 AM
 /pull hair/


Jeez, there is so much proof that he ISN"T dead....show me proof that he is dead...


1. Have you seen his body? Nobody has. Why is it that we can visit Liz Taylor's grave, we can visit Frank Sinatra's grave, Sammy Davis JR all buried in the same cemetary...but they have his locked up like Fort Knox? Grave robbers? Give me a break.

2. the casket used at both the private and public memorials has proven to be 2 DIFFERENT caskets...did he decide one wasn't nice enough and jump into the 2nd one?  WTF??

3. He feared for his life. He thought someone was out to kill him, why not disappear?

4. Jermaine's slip ups? "This is not it"...." I took Michael to the airport....err hospital"..."I know where he is"...

5. Katharine and Joe did NOT see Michael in UCLA...Katharine stayed in the waiting room...sorry, if that was my son, I would have wanted to see my son ONE last time...that indication right there proves something is going on...

6. Crime scene was tampered with


We have posted enough clues and knowledge here for anyone to reevaluate their "death" opinion.

If he comes back, super. If he doesn't, thats fine too...but he isn't dead...and I've already bet money that the trial is fake, Murray will come out innocent, there will be a civil suit filed that we may never know the outcome of...


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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 03:20:12 PM
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 03:30:01 PM
He has to...Do you really think that he would live the rest of his live hidden somewhere and far away from his kids/family????
No way..he will stay away until it will be necessary and then he will be back. If not I would  reconsider the whole thing... :!:

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 03:47:52 PM
He has to...Do you really think that he would live the rest of his live hidden somewhere and far away from his kids/family????
No way..he will stay away until it will be necessary and then he will be back. If not I would  reconsider the whole thing... :!:

Michael never left his Children.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 04:03:19 PM
Mike is alive and he will come back bearhug with its time..... has told him...... bearhug




And we will be here waiting....... bearhug












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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 04:21:00 PM
@Raikiramari:
"Michael never left his children", what do you mean?
It is obvious that he didn't because he is alive, but (unless he is well hidden at his parents' place in Encino) they don't live together, there is much that he is loosing about them, and you'd agree that even if they're in touch someway it couldn't be the same as living together...


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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 05:02:26 PM
Not gonna say anything new, and not being negative and all, but Michael won't come back. IF he is alive...
Those trolls, who sent Mopey a message about Michael that he's alive, ok and very sorry, are real bithces. Karma will get you sooner or later. Mark my words.
Again, Michael won't come back because 1. he doesn't need to/shouldn't. He's finally getting his rest. 2. If he does, all those haters will crucify him. 3. Otherwise, all his family would just look ridiculous. All those tears, tributes, etc...
Elvis never came back. I know, I know - Elvis and Michael are different people, but still. Officially Michael won't come back like - "Hello! Guess, who's back?! It's me - Michael F****** Jackson! Please honour and love." No. I think he'll just continue giving somekind of signs.
And again, I'm not being pessimistic - just realistic.

I think you're one of those people who just wants to move on and hear nothing about it, that's pessismistic, dear. No way around it.

Amen to that. This person is talking like an insider like they know all the in's and out's of MJ's brain and perhaps the circumstances and or consequences of MJ's supposedly return. If he DOES actually come back, only his true believers will know the reason for his faking his death....HENCE the reason for leaving clues and us believers doing research. It's not like he's going to get into legal trouble for faking his death. For all we know, the legal system could be in on it and on MJ's side. For those who would "crucify" him, it's nothing new to MJ so I'm sure he wouldn't be surprised. This hoax isn't only for his safety and to expose the criminals, but to test how strong his TRUE fans really are AND to show his haters the FACTS regardless of the accusations. #NUFFSAID

I'm not trying to sound rude in response to the creator of this thread BUT it shouldn't suprise the host of this sub that believers would have something to say about their theory of what they would call "reality". It's almost like a craving for further enlightment OR a craving for negative attention...and that's not too cool. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN BELIEFS AND OR OPINION don't get me wrong, but I would suggest checking the aura of the forum before speaking otherwise. It's just common courtsey , common sense, and common logic. :)
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 05:15:35 PM
@Raikiramari:
"Michael never left his children", what do you mean?
It is obvious that he didn't because he is alive, but (unless he is well hidden at his parents' place in Encino) they don't live together, there is much that he is loosing about them, and you'd agree that even if they're in touch someway it couldn't be the same as living together...

Michael never left his Children, plain and simple. Michael is able to visit his Children, or even live with his Children for short periods of time.

If I've realized anything since 2009, is that the Money Withdrawals (Which was $5 Million) were given to the Jackson Family by Thome Thome Michael's advisor.
The Press have been paid, since they have money and can keep receiving it, there's nothing they can do really.

Ever noticed how shady the press have been since Michael's death, hardly any Camera crews as before following the Jackson Family, sure there's plenty of interviews but that doesn't quite cut it. There's something going on, I know for sure Michael is with his Children.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 05:24:02 PM
@Raikiramari:
"Michael never left his children", what do you mean?
It is obvious that he didn't because he is alive, but (unless he is well hidden at his parents' place in Encino) they don't live together, there is much that he is loosing about them, and you'd agree that even if they're in touch someway it couldn't be the same as living together...

Michael never left his Children, plain and simple. Michael is able to visit his Children, or even live with his Children for short periods of time.

If I've realized anything since 2009, is that the Money Withdrawals (Which was $5 Million) were given to the Jackson Family by Thome Thome Michael's advisor.
The Press have been paid, since they have money and can keep receiving it, there's nothing they can do really.

Ever noticed how shady the press have been since Michael's death, hardly any Camera crews as before following the Jackson Family, sure there's plenty of interviews but that doesn't quite cut it. There's something going on, I know for sure Michael is with his Children.

You're right. I was reading a tweet from one of his nephews I believe it was saying that they had a great REMAINING time overseas and that they couldn't wait to do it again....I can't quote verbatim but it sounded as if there was a loved one there that they were spending time with during the rest of their time there after the tribute. His kids don't seem too disturbed by the "loss" of their father. Paris seems to be upbeat as well as Prince and Blanket(he's the shy one...too cute!). I know if MJ were MY father, I'd have to go to some type of therapy, spiritual advising, counseling or something. It's NOT easy to lose a parent. Seems like media would at least say that they're all in some type of counseling due to the "loss" of their father. So I agree w/you albino/
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 05:26:56 PM
Not gonna say anything new, and not being negative and all, but Michael won't come back. IF he is alive...
Those trolls, who sent Mopey a message about Michael that he's alive, ok and very sorry, are real bithces. Karma will get you sooner or later. Mark my words.
Again, Michael won't come back because 1. he doesn't need to/shouldn't. He's finally getting his rest. 2. If he does, all those haters will crucify him. 3. Otherwise, all his family would just look ridiculous. All those tears, tributes, etc...
Elvis never came back. I know, I know - Elvis and Michael are different people, but still. Officially Michael won't come back like - "Hello! Guess, who's back?! It's me - Michael F****** Jackson! Please honour and love." No. I think he'll just continue giving somekind of signs.
And again, I'm not being pessimistic - just realistic.

I think you're one of those people who just wants to move on and hear nothing about it, that's pessismistic, dear. No way around it.

Amen to that. This person is talking like an insider like they know all the in's and out's of MJ's brain and perhaps the circumstances and or consequences of MJ's supposedly return. If he DOES actually come back, only his true believers will know the reason for his faking his death....HENCE the reason for leaving clues and us believers doing research. It's not like he's going to get into legal trouble for faking his death. For all we know, the legal system could be in on it and on MJ's side. For those who would "crucify" him, it's nothing new to MJ so I'm sure he wouldn't be surprised. This hoax isn't only for his safety and to expose the criminals, but to test how strong his TRUE fans really are AND to show his haters the FACTS regardless of the accusations. #NUFFSAID

I'm not trying to sound rude in response to the creator of this thread BUT it shouldn't suprise the host of this sub that believers would have something to say about their theory of what they would call "reality". It's almost like a craving for further enlightment OR a craving for negative attention...and that's not too cool. EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN BELIEFS AND OR OPINION don't get me wrong, but I would suggest checking the aura of the forum before speaking otherwise. It's just common courtsey , common sense, and common logic. :)

Any thoughts of Michael being in the Witness protection program? I'm pretty sure they give those in danger new identities, destinations to live... ETC. he was fretting for his life, I wouldn't be suprised.

Exactly, people seem to think that they know everything about Michael and how he works. People can understand Michael, but they'll never know Michael for the true genius he is if they keep giving out negative vibes. I realized the reason why beLIEvers end up depressed and converting back to non-beLIEving. You want to know what? Non-beLIEvers find a way to tug on the Emotion of the beLIEvers by making depressing remarks, or stating something like "Michael would never do this to his Children/Fans/Family...ETC" these are answerable questions, but some people just don't know how to answer them. I think the depression causes the loss of belief, if Non-beLIEvers want to come here I suggest Souza making a seperate  board for them instead of them invading the Forums. I know, we already have plenty of boards but it'd be useful and less-depressing.

I think there are no real winners in this Hoax at the moment, if only people could work together as a whole and we could really figure this out. There are smart people out there that can help us, but they have pessismistic views on this Hoax.  I want the truth, which is why I research as much as possible, but... we need people to HELP us.
Mark my words, Michael is telling us how everything will go and what we should do.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 05:28:46 PM
@Raikiramari:
"Michael never left his children", what do you mean?
It is obvious that he didn't because he is alive, but (unless he is well hidden at his parents' place in Encino) they don't live together, there is much that he is loosing about them, and you'd agree that even if they're in touch someway it couldn't be the same as living together...

Michael never left his Children, plain and simple. Michael is able to visit his Children, or even live with his Children for short periods of time.

If I've realized anything since 2009, is that the Money Withdrawals (Which was $5 Million) were given to the Jackson Family by Thome Thome Michael's advisor.
The Press have been paid, since they have money and can keep receiving it, there's nothing they can do really.

Ever noticed how shady the press have been since Michael's death, hardly any Camera crews as before following the Jackson Family, sure there's plenty of interviews but that doesn't quite cut it. There's something going on, I know for sure Michael is with his Children.

You're right. I was reading a tweet from one of his nephews I believe it was saying that they had a great REMAINING time overseas and that they couldn't wait to do it again....I can't quote verbatim but it sounded as if there was a loved one there that they were spending time with during the rest of their time there after the tribute. His kids don't seem too disturbed by the "loss" of their father. Paris seems to be upbeat as well as Prince and Blanket(he's the shy one...too cute!). I know if MJ were MY father, I'd have to go to some type of therapy, spiritual advising, counseling or something. It's NOT easy to lose a parent. Seems like media would at least say that they're all in some type of counseling due to the "loss" of their father. So I agree w/you albino/

Exactly Alfarle, the press would've said something by now, but they haven't. Unless their money gets cut off, then they can use blackmail... but Michael is smarter than that.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 05:39:43 PM
@Raikiramari:
"Michael never left his children", what do you mean?
It is obvious that he didn't because he is alive, but (unless he is well hidden at his parents' place in Encino) they don't live together, there is much that he is loosing about them, and you'd agree that even if they're in touch someway it couldn't be the same as living together...

Michael never left his Children, plain and simple. Michael is able to visit his Children, or even live with his Children for short periods of time.

If I've realized anything since 2009, is that the Money Withdrawals (Which was $5 Million) were given to the Jackson Family by Thome Thome Michael's advisor.
The Press have been paid, since they have money and can keep receiving it, there's nothing they can do really.

Ever noticed how shady the press have been since Michael's death, hardly any Camera crews as before following the Jackson Family, sure there's plenty of interviews but that doesn't quite cut it. There's something going on, I know for sure Michael is with his Children.

You're right. I was reading a tweet from one of his nephews I believe it was saying that they had a great REMAINING time overseas and that they couldn't wait to do it again....I can't quote verbatim but it sounded as if there was a loved one there that they were spending time with during the rest of their time there after the tribute. His kids don't seem too disturbed by the "loss" of their father. Paris seems to be upbeat as well as Prince and Blanket(he's the shy one...too cute!). I know if MJ were MY father, I'd have to go to some type of therapy, spiritual advising, counseling or something. It's NOT easy to lose a parent. Seems like media would at least say that they're all in some type of counseling due to the "loss" of their father. So I agree w/you albino/

Exactly Alfarle, the press would've said something by now, but they haven't. Unless their money gets cut off, then they can use blackmail... but Michael is smarter than that.

He sure is. Quite genius!!!! /bravo/ /woohoo/ ;D :idea:
I turned 6 yrs old when MJ released the Smooth Criminal single. The 24th will be a very special b-day this yr....:) I'll be 29. Subtract 9-2 and what do you get???? lol Lucky #'s . Last yr in my 20's....

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 17, 2011, 05:45:36 PM
Guys another simple things.....It's all for love !!!!  there is more to say







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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 08:01:28 AM
Well, I don't know where Michael is, he could be anywhere, but for sure he is NOT living with his kids. He can sure go to visit them or even spend short vacation with them but the point is that he doesn't share his life with them every single day as it was before that june 25th. And that must be hard for all of them. That's why I am positive that at some point he will come back to join his family


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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 11:36:10 AM
Well, I don't know where Michael is, he could be anywhere, but for sure he is NOT living with his kids. He can sure go to visit them or even spend short vacation with them but the point is that he doesn't share his life with them every single day as it was before that june 25th. And that must be hard for all of them. That's why I am positive that at some point he will come back to join his family

That's what I just mentioned, please pay attention. It wouldn't matter, he's still spending time with his Children, he can stay with them for short amounts of time but not everyday.

They know where their Father is, they coped without their Mother and they seem to be doing teriffic. The fact of the matter is that Prince, Paris and Blanket are all with their Father, doesn't matter if he doesnt' spend everyday with them. I'm sure Michael will be back soon enough, he can't go on forever living days without his Children.
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

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How do you know he's with his children? And nobody saw him?

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 11:49:22 AM
How do you know he's with his children? And nobody saw him?
Disguise? We are talking about the master of disguise here.
You don't need to SEE him in order to imagine him visiting his kids secretly and disguised [him and/or the kids] - that's really not a problem!

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 11:57:18 AM
How do you know he's with his children? And nobody saw him?
Disguise? We are talking about the master of disguise here.
ou don't need to SEE him in order to imagine him visiting his kids secretly and disguises [him and/or the kids] - that's really not a problem!

Thankyou! finally, somebody mentioned this!

It's not particularly hard for Michael to use prosthetic masks, heck, he could be disguised as a Woman, a Man, an elderly person, a teen... ETC, with the amazing, realistic prosthetics used nowadays.  (Yes, I mentioned teen, I'm thirteen and I'm taller than Michael, ahaha. And I'm female, lol)
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 12:05:50 PM
How do you know he's with his children? And nobody saw him?
Disguise? We are talking about the master of disguise here.
ou don't need to SEE him in order to imagine him visiting his kids secretly and disguises [him and/or the kids] - that's really not a problem!

Thankyou! finally, somebody mentioned this!

It's not particularly hard for Michael to use prosthetic masks, heck, he could be disguised as a Woman, a Man, an elderly person, a teen... ETC, with the amazing, realistic prosthetics used nowadays.  (Yes, I mentioned teen, I'm thirteen and I'm taller than Michael, ahaha. And I'm female, lol)

yeah but the shoes would give him away suspicious//

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 12:10:42 PM
How do you know he's with his children? And nobody saw him?
Disguise? We are talking about the master of disguise here.
ou don't need to SEE him in order to imagine him visiting his kids secretly and disguises [him and/or the kids] - that's really not a problem!

Thankyou! finally, somebody mentioned this!

It's not particularly hard for Michael to use prosthetic masks, heck, he could be disguised as a Woman, a Man, an elderly person, a teen... ETC, with the amazing, realistic prosthetics used nowadays.  (Yes, I mentioned teen, I'm thirteen and I'm taller than Michael, ahaha. And I'm female, lol)

yeah but the shoes would give him away suspicious//

Why would they? Michael can wear different shoes, can't he?  :lol:
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 12:15:29 PM
I'm sorry if I offended somebody or made them mad. I just expressed my opinion.
I seemed to be misunderstood here. I never said that Michael is not alive (don't want to use the other word), but I can't also be sure that he is. Too bad you couldn't see judging by my message that I'm simply confused. I just don't know what to think. This whole...hmm..."situation" just keeps taking my brains out.
Yes, I "don't want to hear about it" because my scars are still bleeding. As Raikiramari noticed correctly that the depression causes the loss of belief, you got to understand me. That is why I am here. And you're already mentioning the non-believers forum.
...And I am not craving for no negative attention. I came with peace) Honestly)

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 06:10:12 PM
In my humble opinion Michael doesn't see his kids and family often. And that is the reason why Blanket cries and Katherine looks so sad at some interviews. He would have caught up long ago if he was staying with his kids always, and it would be so hard to go out with a disguise all the time.

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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 06:13:35 PM
 :-\ Michael, where are you? :'(
("Minkin güerveeeee")
Michael pls come back


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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 06:15:05 PM
In my humble opinion Michael doesn't see his kids and family often. And that is the reason why Blanket cries and Katherine looks so sad at some interviews. He would have caught up long ago if he was staying with his kids always, and it would be so hard to go out with a disguise all the time.

Yes, indeed. I guess Michael would see them a few times, but not so repetitively. We know that his family wants to be around him, but that's the risk...
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Re: Michael Isnt coming back

  • on: October 18, 2011, 06:19:17 PM
I'm sorry if I offended somebody or made them mad. I just expressed my opinion.
I seemed to be misunderstood here. I never said that Michael is not alive (don't want to use the other word), but I can't also be sure that he is. Too bad you couldn't see judging by my message that I'm simply confused. I just don't know what to think. This whole...hmm..."situation" just keeps taking my brains out.
Yes, I "don't want to hear about it" because my scars are still bleeding. As Raikiramari noticed correctly that the depression causes the loss of belief, you got to understand me. That is why I am here. And you're already mentioning the non-believers forum.
...And I am not craving for no negative attention. I came with peace) Honestly)

It's okay to have an opinion, it just feels though, that the negative attention feeding through this thread is having a bad affect on people.

I can understand how you feel, I felt a little out of the world a couple days ago, but I got back up on my feet. You have to realize that you should avoid all the negative attention and see the light in dark. It's the only way to get around it. Sticking with depression will make it worse for yourself, if you let things get to you there's no way you'll have the passion to beLIEve.

I don't understand how us beLIEvers get so confused, we've stuck through this since 2009, STOP LETTING PEOPLE PUT YOU DOWN!
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