cameras and cellphones at conference.

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Offline akiraka

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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 05, 2010, 05:46:40 PM
I want to tell you that you made very good discoveries here about the cameras and all.

I got to a conclusion : there are more O2 Conf. staged films. Because we see 2 different categories of audience and 2 different types of audience protection fence. In the Fan's video make a stop at min. 1:14 you will see a fence probably wood -made, white painted NON-TRANSPARENT of some shape, and in all other videos so called offical made by CNN etc... you will see a fence in front of the audience made of metalic bars and some plastic window TRANSPARENT between them, that's why there you can see people's body through them. In the video here CNN made look at the min. 2:41 it's a that fence I've told you, but better if you find a video without CNN strip.

This is the Fan's video -min. 1:14, 1:15
[youtube:2r608stp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8QCeyot5Es&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2r608stp]


Another thing, watch TII film again and there are the dancers team with hands up, happy when MJ is doing that sexy dance move. At their hand wrist you will see something like a white bracelet, then look at the audience this one from "official" videous CNN... they have the same white bracelet. If it is some sort of identification mark is weird to be exactly the same those in USA -LA - Staples with those in London O2.

About the audience : in the Fans video they look very young and in the other "official" videous are not so young, exactly like somebody said here like an University Conference audience. Also when they shout Michael .. King of Pop etc.. if you look in the front lines some has mouth shut, others move mouths like they are saying something else, the synchronization sound - image is zero. My opinion: this audience doesn't fit with the sound (shouting), maybe the shoutings are from the other audience the Fans video  

So what do you say if the images we have are not recorded LIVE in London, but in LA Staples?

And how come that we don't see 1 single reporter to make a interview with fans? A Press Conf. without any question for MJ or fans ? this is IMPOSSIBLE !! so this is a film not a real Conf.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 05, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
You are very observant, i just saw the video, and you are right about the fence ! And I think you are right, everything a film. I knew there was something very wrong about this conference ;)
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 05, 2010, 06:14:13 PM
I thought the same about two scenarios, but I have carefully watched both cnn and fans footage and they fit completely.

About the fence, I think they´re not the same, because the white one (in fans footage) seems to be further of stage, as a first step to contain fans waiting, that after was open or put away so they can finally go closer.

So I came to the conclusion that there is just one conference which seems (I´m not sure) to have some staged and controlled details (front row, audio mixed perhaps).

I thought about the reason why. One reason I can come up with, is that O2 MJ was an impersonator, but I have reasons time ago to believe he was him (between others, I compared thorough the hands)...

The other one is that is´s been staged or cotrolled for the film.
I have no other explanation.
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Offline akiraka

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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 05, 2010, 06:25:20 PM
Thank you Tina K and somekindofsign I studied in detail this videos, hope other people here to see al these differences and  also are important those white bracelets. TII dancers and London audience have the same on the right hand, that made me think the London audience is not from London in all the media showed us. (CNN, Skynews.... so on).

I believe that O2 Conf. is the begining of all and it's very important, then came the tickets on line which I believe are also strange. 10-12 tickets per second, come on the whole net would have fall and would have been blocked, although they said just in a few hours were booked/sold almost 1 million tickets. We should put ourselves some questions about this.

Again speaking about fences are totally different I mean the material of what they are made and one is transparent the other it isn't. One is white some sort of a wood-made the other plexyglass and metal.

Sorry for my English it's not my mother language.  ;)
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 05, 2010, 06:35:08 PM
Quote from: "TinkerbellStardust"
Oh, here appears to be some fan vid..
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8wizp ... e-lo_music

Damn..! That girl doesnt know how to use a camera  :lol:
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 05, 2010, 06:57:21 PM
Sorry akiraka, I forgot to check about bracelets.
Sounds interesting... but today I´m so tired...
I´ll watch it.

I don´t know what´s behind this conference but there´s something weird!

 ;) English is not my mother tongue either...
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Offline akiraka

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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 05, 2010, 07:12:33 PM
somekindofsign thank you, in Europe now it's 2 o'clock in the night so I understand you ;), I'm tired too.

Now I saw in the video put here by Dangerous those fans in front of the hotel had white bracelet at wrists maybe it's related to O2 Conf. , still I can't explain how come that the TII dancers had the same? or maybe was a general mark for TII, I don't know, I agree with you and with all it's something very weird with this London Conference.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 06, 2010, 11:12:08 AM
Yes akiraka!
I´ve seen what you mean about the bracelets.
You can see it in the dancers in TII (1:38:40)
But in TII they are yellow and in O2 white.

Weird so many people wearing white bracelets at O2.
Weird dancers (and other stuff) wearing yellow in TII.
Notice that even K Ortega is wearing a blue one,
and some dancer, (I think Timor is one of them) wear both yellow and blue.
But not the whole TII, just this day of Michael´s speech in Staples C.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 06, 2010, 09:49:51 PM
somekindofsign, bravoo you have good eyes, ;)  I didn't see all these details being yellow, and blue..

And yes, now I'm more confused  :? At O2 they were wearing these, also some TII dancers, also KO ... but maybe I'm wrong and there are some kind of marks - O2 mark - brand, I don't know, and so many coloures? :shock:  I thought only white.

My point was another, OK they wore these in LA, but I can't explain for London, I understand in LA they wore because they were a team, something just internal in Staples. But because they also exist at so-called London videos at those people, nobody can blame me if I think that in fact O2 Conference - London was not in London but at Staples LA, I mean some videos we've seen, some images were staged, filmed in LA. I have no other explanation. Can we imagine that these bracelets just for the TII team in LA were duplicated and sent to London fans?. Honestly I can't buy this.  :D

Maybe we will find out, but I believe it's difficult, more easy was with the fence, 2 different fences.  ;)  ;)

Anyway if somebody have any ideea or discover more don't forget to post here I'm really interested, I guess we all are, because London O2 is the begining that's why is so important to find what was going on then.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 07, 2010, 09:20:19 AM
Well, I don´t know but, let´s suppose that the bracelets have a meaning, OK.
Then if so, what is it?
The first logic meaning I thought was that they mean a role or team ID.
Some people may play even two roles/teams.

Look (I think it´s) Timor at 00:58:38, wears a light blue bracelet.
Look "Billy Jean" from 00:28:00, dancers wear nothing but on 00:28:10 (another day) they all wear yellow
28:08 drummer wears a purple one
00:41:42 guitarists purple one
00:46:20 singers purple
00:46:40 dancers some yellow, some blue/purple, some both
00:46:49 crew mixed
around 00:55:04 singer white (?)

yellow: dancers
purple: musicians
blue: leading role?
white: ?
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 07, 2010, 11:44:49 AM
wow, you are so right, in one photo there has to be a head or a part of a arm...
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 07, 2010, 04:13:12 PM
somekindofsign good thinking ;) I've told you I saw the white bracelets at the fans in CNN, Skynews videos, also in that video with the fans  in front of the Hotel in London where MJ was.
I was also thinking these bracelets of different colours may be related to some sort of CODE colour? anyway it's really interesting about these colours and the fact that all have  

so they are 4 colours  :roll:

purple I find to be intersting is the colour used on the TII poster, also the dolphins on the hand of little girl in Earth Song, I believe that purple has a main role/significance

you said blue leading role , YES, look what I found when I did google searching

http://www.trendsspotting.com/blog/?p=325

And I'm not crazy ;)  but blue is the colour of the Twitter  :D who have Twitters related to TII Film?  ;)
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 07, 2010, 04:21:07 PM
Oh, how I like it !  :D Isn't MJ a Genius?  ;) and all the leader stuff of TII?
Read please the article in that link what it says about blue colour ;)

"According to Pantone the color of the year is Royal Purple.”
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 07, 2010, 06:59:26 PM
OMG, for months I thought I was going crazy thinking the o2 conference was a fake.  I'm so happy to have just now found this thread and you all did a great investigation, not missing one thing, including the bracelets.........

The one fan video link here I did see before and is so jumpy it made me dizzy.  I need more proof than that from the fan perspective. There must be photos.  And you are right, the weirdness started with the o2 conference and ticket sales.

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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 07, 2010, 08:15:00 PM
karmaknowstruth  ;) you ALL did a great job, I'm sure together we can discover this mistery of O2 and ticket sales.... THE BEGINING of the Great Adventure  ;)

and somekindofsign 's work to find those bracelets/colours is GREAT.  ;)


xoxoxo me too  ;)
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: February 07, 2010, 09:02:24 PM
Just wondering why are there teleprompters when he barely says anything??? :P

Simliar teleprompter here:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/politi ... SM%202.jpg

I think the teleprompters are pretty much the same thing in picture on the first page and the picture above...at least the same concept..
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: March 07, 2010, 11:29:17 AM
Quote from: "Tina K."
Great thoughts about this ;)  And it seems kind of staged the whole thing.Its been bothering me since I saw it the first time.

Totally agree! The whole conference looks strange, I don't know...An unexplainable feeling that something is wrong!I also had that feeling when I first saw the conference and also-I hope that I'm not getting rude- but Michael's Image there creeps me out,not even the photos from the conference but also the video :roll:
Moreover the way he moves on the stage is so off... :?
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: September 05, 2010, 03:09:10 PM
Why are there so many (older?) men in the audience and only a few women and no young girls - very strange!
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.

  • on: September 08, 2010, 08:52:59 AM
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Why are there so many (older?) men in the audience and only a few women and no young girls - very strange!

There was a young woman with a child... :roll:
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