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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 01:58:34 PM
To me they are all extras.
We have seen a lot of videos of Mike´s concerts where first row is full of people really going crazy and a few people just singing and enjoying. Where is crazy people representation here?
They all look like you and me if we were there, enjoying, just really enjoying.
(You and me because people here don´t seem to be really enjoying but acting as if they were).
If you are in a shooting long ours and repeating shots, it´s hard to.

I can´t see people talking to each other, or distracted, or... nothing. They all seem to act like they were told to do so.

Ok. Let´s suppose I´m the director of this film:
"I want to see all of you screaming and watching Michael, you´re really happy seeing Michael back... Everybody hands up... Rolling...

Then I plan and ask for a reverse angle shot:
"I want to see people from behind with the cameras shooting", and art team bring and give out 30...
When you look at them from the front you can´t see this huge sea of cameras.

Are all of them shooting all the time, or they just coincided to shot all at one time?

I work in films and shots are planned this way.

Casting team forgot to bring some children. I´ve allways seen them going Mike´s tours, not here.

Look at this audience from behind, they seem more the audience of an University conference, rather than tour announcement conference.

It´s like the scripted "The Jack5on a Family Dinasty"... Reality show?
This is not real, there is not that much of reality in reality show, they are all scripted.
Some more, other less. Those are more.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 02:48:44 PM
Great thoughts about this ;)  And it seems kind of staged the whole thing.Its been bothering me since I saw it the first time.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 03:50:06 PM
yeah. Without a doubt a strange crowd. I also wondered many many times why no fan photos or vids was circleing the internet. Who even knew about the press conference before the day before?
I'll try to find the YT one that was mentioned. I would like to see that.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 03:55:46 PM
i'm pretty sure there is a topic on this and a member on here had a friend who went.. it was after the x factor in the UK something like that, so they went along to that aswell..  :shock:  i'll have a look see if i can find it..
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 04:00:36 PM
Oh, here appears to be some fan vid..
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 04:08:24 PM
Quote from: "TinkerbellStardust"
Oh, here appears to be some fan vid..
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I can't forget this laughin' of him... "This is it because...(pause)....." and then his laughing...

He was pretty nervous...I bet is was because he knew what will happen :)
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 04:29:50 PM
Wierd that I never actually noticed that before. Yeah it's wierd that they all seem to have a perfect shot even though there are arms and heads in the way.
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somekindofsign

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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 06:31:47 PM
Really good to see some fan footage.
I´d never had seen it before and gives me a wider look. It´s hard to come across with other stuff different from "oficial". This video is more how I would imagine an event like this really going on. People behind screaming and yelling, so they are more real.
And when real people take shots shakes camera like that... :lol:
The professional photographer ahead was more steady handed so could achieve catching front rows´ people steady  :lol:  just joking.

It´s weird yelling fans behind, and quiet in front.
Were they late to catch room?

A production like this (if it is) may well involve films and events like this, web forums, and so on. But can also involve producing amateur stuff or fan mock-footage in a real but managed and staged event.

Well I see this fan footage quite real.
It´s just to doubt everything...

Still weird to me the EPK official footage of first rows and stage.
(Have to see the begining of the fan fotage again, shows some camera distribution).
But I doubt before about other things that now I think are explained, or not that weird. And maybe tomorrow I´ll doubt again, till I (we/each one) find that got the whole picture.
And not this feeling of not fitting.

Indeed, I think IT is the essence of the message (if there´s one  :lol: )
THINK, LOVE, ACT = L.O.V.E.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
January 27, 2010, 08:53:49 PM
woah you guys really have good eyes i probably wouldn't have ever spotted that :)
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somekindofsign

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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
February 02, 2010, 09:49:37 AM
[youtube:3lbhjnhg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-am6sHH_wUQ[/youtube:3lbhjnhg]

Watching it again I see this:
Although everybody seems ready and steady to take the photo when Michael appears,
I don´t see any shot actually done.
We know that the fastest cameras have a moment of black screen when the photo is being saved on memory, then the camera reacts and recovers the image on the screen.

Where is that here?

*Edit* Well, I see maybe two on 1´:12".
But now I don´t see flashes on the front row.
They´re all coming from behind.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
February 05, 2010, 04:46:40 PM
I want to tell you that you made very good discoveries here about the cameras and all.

I got to a conclusion : there are more O2 Conf. staged films. Because we see 2 different categories of audience and 2 different types of audience protection fence. In the Fan's video make a stop at min. 1:14 you will see a fence probably wood -made, white painted NON-TRANSPARENT of some shape, and in all other videos so called offical made by CNN etc... you will see a fence in front of the audience made of metalic bars and some plastic window TRANSPARENT between them, that's why there you can see people's body through them. In the video here CNN made look at the min. 2:41 it's a that fence I've told you, but better if you find a video without CNN strip.

This is the Fan's video -min. 1:14, 1:15
[youtube:2r608stp]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8QCeyot5Es&feature=player_embedded[/youtube:2r608stp]


Another thing, watch TII film again and there are the dancers team with hands up, happy when MJ is doing that sexy dance move. At their hand wrist you will see something like a white bracelet, then look at the audience this one from "official" videous CNN... they have the same white bracelet. If it is some sort of identification mark is weird to be exactly the same those in USA -LA - Staples with those in London O2.

About the audience : in the Fans video they look very young and in the other "official" videous are not so young, exactly like somebody said here like an University Conference audience. Also when they shout Michael .. King of Pop etc.. if you look in the front lines some has mouth shut, others move mouths like they are saying something else, the synchronization sound - image is zero. My opinion: this audience doesn't fit with the sound (shouting), maybe the shoutings are from the other audience the Fans video  

So what do you say if the images we have are not recorded LIVE in London, but in LA Staples?

And how come that we don't see 1 single reporter to make a interview with fans? A Press Conf. without any question for MJ or fans ? this is IMPOSSIBLE !! so this is a film not a real Conf.
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Tina K.Topic starter

Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
February 05, 2010, 04:59:52 PM
You are very observant, i just saw the video, and you are right about the fence ! And I think you are right, everything a film. I knew there was something very wrong about this conference ;)
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
February 05, 2010, 05:14:13 PM
I thought the same about two scenarios, but I have carefully watched both cnn and fans footage and they fit completely.

About the fence, I think they´re not the same, because the white one (in fans footage) seems to be further of stage, as a first step to contain fans waiting, that after was open or put away so they can finally go closer.

So I came to the conclusion that there is just one conference which seems (I´m not sure) to have some staged and controlled details (front row, audio mixed perhaps).

I thought about the reason why. One reason I can come up with, is that O2 MJ was an impersonator, but I have reasons time ago to believe he was him (between others, I compared thorough the hands)...

The other one is that is´s been staged or cotrolled for the film.
I have no other explanation.
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
February 05, 2010, 05:25:20 PM
Thank you Tina K and somekindofsign I studied in detail this videos, hope other people here to see al these differences and  also are important those white bracelets. TII dancers and London audience have the same on the right hand, that made me think the London audience is not from London in all the media showed us. (CNN, Skynews.... so on).

I believe that O2 Conf. is the begining of all and it's very important, then came the tickets on line which I believe are also strange. 10-12 tickets per second, come on the whole net would have fall and would have been blocked, although they said just in a few hours were booked/sold almost 1 million tickets. We should put ourselves some questions about this.

Again speaking about fences are totally different I mean the material of what they are made and one is transparent the other it isn't. One is white some sort of a wood-made the other plexyglass and metal.

Sorry for my English it's not my mother language.  ;)
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Re: cameras and cellphones at conference.
February 05, 2010, 05:35:08 PM
Quote from: "TinkerbellStardust"
Oh, here appears to be some fan vid..
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Damn..! That girl doesnt know how to use a camera  :lol:
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