Tatiana and MJ and THAT KISS!!! Why Hide it? WHO? WHY?

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i dont know why i am commenting - i dont - i think mikes romantic life is private - so i will take my leave here - this is a good thread  - its a kind one
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but then again i found this

tatiana - said it was an agreed kiss

but different from what i thought she had said

she kept a journal of her awful experiences she says

the timing of the release of her book was during mikes 2005 trial

she was not supportive of him -- yucky person

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=mW4fk8pZwfA&feature=related[/YouTube]
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Why oh why have they hidden the video of THAT kiss between MJ and Tatiana during the Bad concert?

The only footage we have is this:

[youtube:2h04rei1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr-CH4OXOKo&feature=related[/youtube:2h04rei1]

So we know TV cameras were there and filmed the whole thing in Kansas.  So who has the footage and why is it being witheld?

I cant fathom it...  its as if MJ kissing a girl on stage is the worst thing anyone could see!   :lol:   Why is Michael or his people hiding it when all the fans want to see it!!!!!   I want to see it so i can see MJs reaction to it.. whether it really was a one way thing, if MJ really did bite his lip and if it was a full on snog that MJ went into full throttle.   :lol:   I want to see if MJ looked happy or annoyed.

Aargh.. anyone know why this footage has disappeared?

Tatiana talks of the kiss in this video:  I feel for her, she seems to have been deeply affected by her love for MJ and never seemed to get over it.  Unrequited love really does hurt.  Poor girl.

Look at the way he looks at her at 01:05!

[youtube:2h04rei1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GjMhedYVAg&feature=related[/youtube:2h04rei1]

[youtube:2h04rei1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjNgx8xe3Nw[/youtube:2h04rei1]
I believe to have seen that kiss but did not think it was such a big deal. She seems to make more of it than it actually was
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i think you right

she said that mike was always professional to her, he never said anything to her, he just bite his lip on stage and she took this as a challenge

she said that it was other pp saying that he liked her

she had nothing from him

she said she kept a journal about her awful experiences with mj

and it was release during his most horrible trial

no wonder she kept her head down at the funeral - shame
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Tatiana was hired as a dancer for the concerts period, the first mistake she made was assuming she could change the routine of the show, as she said in so many words herself, second mistake she made was in assuming Micheals body language (bitting his bottom lip) was a cue to her. Frank is not the big bad wolf, for his decision to fire her from the tour, he did what MIcheal was paying him for, if Micheal did not approve of his decision she would have stayed on the tour, it was his tour. As a dancer she crossed the line, she forgot her reponsiblity to be professional, and keep her feelings under control. For Michael to have female dancers is a huge risk, some women think that Michael wants to be with them just because he is being nice to them, and it puts alot of stress on him I am sure.  

To work for Michael is a huge responsibility, and part of that is, he is trusting the people he hires are mature enough to do the job, if he allows professionlism to be mixed with personal feelings he would not have been where he was in his career.
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Quote from: "themjkiss"
Tatiana was hired as a dancer for the concerts period, the first mistake she made was assuming she could change the routine of the show, as she said in so many words herself, second mistake she made was in assuming Micheals body language (bitting his bottom lip) was a cue to her. Frank is not the big bad wolf, for his decision to fire her from the tour, he did what MIcheal was paying him for, if Micheal did not approve of his decision she would have stayed on the tour, it was his tour. As a dancer she crossed the line, she forgot her reponsiblity to be professional, and keep her feelings under control. For Michael to have female dancers is a huge risk, some women think that Michael wants to be with them just because he is being nice to them, and it puts alot of stress on him I am sure.  

To work for Michael is a huge responsibility, and part of that is, he is trusting the people he hires are mature enough to do the job, if he allows professionlism to be mixed with personal feelings he would not have been where he was in his career.

great post very measured
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Quote from: "the arabian nights"
but then again i found this

tatiana - said it was an agreed kiss

but different from what i thought she had said

she kept a journal of her awful experiences she says

the timing of the release of her book was during mikes 2005 trial

she was not supportive of him -- yucky person

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=mW4fk8pZwfA&feature=related[/YouTube]

Michael may have had his handlers but he was in complete control of it all. Please don't believe everything that you hear.  He wasn't some softee who did what he was told. He was the puppet master and they did exactly what they were told. When it comes to his business affairs he is also a very good judge of character which is why he had the best--and very few people working for him. The saying was "With Michael, you're always on trial...". If he felt that he wasn't getting what he'd needed from someone, they had to go--simply put. That woman was hideous and deserved to be fired!! There was no doubt that the attraction was there (she was hand chosen by him amongst several girls to be his leading lady in the video).  However; if she had just done her job and remained professional the outcome probably would've been completely different. Their working relaitionship began well and he was beginning to trust her which is why she was invited to go on tour with them. She wanted more from him and was blatantly trying to seduce him. Had he given her some, she's the type that would've been blabbing about the details if she hadn't gotten a ring--and he knew this. In some interviews she has said that the kiss was planned--and he was in agreement, but in others she said that his people knew about it and thought it would be great. That was her way of making the first move. He saw that she wasn't any different than the groupies that he'd come in contact with in the past. She'd made comments like "Look at me, I've had several big names in Hollywood chasing me..." Eddie Murphy was supposedly one of them. She'd also accused Robert Deniro of inapproprriately touching her during filming of a movie that she'd done with him. She showed her true colors when she released that low-budget book, in a futile attempt to blackball him because her truth was exposed. Did anyone see the press junkets for her book? She insinuated that he wasn't interested in her because he surrounded himself with young boys during the tour all of the time. She'd said that they would be waiting outside of his room and hurried in, but when she'd attempt to go to talk about something pressing she was turned away. That's why it all backfired. That  book was about as interesting as last month's newspaper. It was deplorable and very hurtful to MJ especially since it was happening during the wake of the molestation allegations. He had his suspicions and obviously got over it because he was absolutely right about her. Now she's known as the girl from Michael Jackson's "The Way You Make Me Feel Video whose guilt has led her to selling paintings/drawings of him on Ebay. She's pitiful.  Sheryl Crow was a better choice for the job.
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Quote from: "2MuchMJLuv"
Quote from: "the arabian nights"
but then again i found this

tatiana - said it was an agreed kiss

but different from what i thought she had said

she kept a journal of her awful experiences she says

the timing of the release of her book was during mikes 2005 trial

she was not supportive of him -- yucky person

[YouTube]http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=mW4fk8pZwfA&feature=related[/YouTube]

Michael may have had his handlers but he was in complete control of it all. Please don't believe everything that you hear.  He wasn't some softee who did what he was told. He was the puppet master and they did exactly what they were told. When it comes to his business affairs he is also a very good judge of character which is why he had the best--and very few people working for him. The saying was "With Michael, you're always on trial...". If he felt that he wasn't getting what he'd needed from someone, they had to go--simply put. That woman was hideous and deserved to be fired!! There was no doubt that the attraction was there (she was hand chosen by him amongst several girls to be his leading lady in the video).  However; if she had just done her job and remained professional the outcome probably would've been completely different. Their working relaitionship began well and he was beginning to trust her which is why she was invited to go on tour with them. She wanted more from him and was blatantly trying to seduce him. Had he given her some, she's the type that would've been blabbing about the details if she hadn't gotten a ring--and he knew this. In some interviews she has said that the kiss was planned--and he was in agreement, but in others she said that his people knew about it and thought it would be great. That was her way of making the first move. He saw that she wasn't any different than the groupies that he'd come in contact with in the past. She'd made comments like "Look at me, I've had several big names in Hollywood chasing me..." Eddie Murphy was supposedly one of them. She'd also accused Robert Deniro of inapproprriately touching her during filming of a movie that she'd done with him. She showed her true colors when she released that low-budget book, in a futile attempt to blackball him because her truth was exposed. Did anyone see the press junkets for her book? She insinuated that he wasn't interested in her because he surrounded himself with young boys during the tour all of the time. She'd said that they would be waiting outside of his room and hurried in, but when she'd attempt to go to talk about something pressing she was turned away. That's why it all backfired. That  book was about as interesting as last month's newspaper. It was deplorable and very hurtful to MJ especially since it was happening during the wake of the molestation allegations. He had his suspicions and obviously got over it because he was absolutely right about her. Now she's known as the girl from Michael Jackson's "The Way You Make Me Feel Video whose guilt has led her to selling paintings/drawings of him on Ebay. She's pitiful.  Sheryl Crow was a better choice for the job.

I think her and Ola Ray are still obsessed with MJ.  I think they may both be bitter because they didn't get the relationship with MJ they wanted.  I mean I believe there was something between MJ and Tatiana but I don't think he wanted to get deep into a relationship with her.  Ola Ray she's tacky.  I saw her on a video clip for the afterparty for This is it and she was acting unlady like.
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Quote from: "themjkiss"
As a dancer she crossed the line, she forgot her reponsiblity to be professional, and keep her feelings under control.  

Agree ;)

Even if they could have been a couple then, some feelings must be kept a side ;)
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As a dancer she crossed the line, she forgot her reponsiblity to be professional, and keep her feelings under control.  

Agree ;)

Even if they could have been a couple then, some feelings must be kept a side ;)

Maybe Tatiana got too caught up in the moment with MJ and she forgot she was suppose to be performing.  She probably just focusing on her man. :D  She said MJ gave her a look like he was challenging her so she seized the moment.
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She got driven my her passion (an I understand her) but the impact for the business could have been devastating.

MJ was the golden single man,selling a lot...having a woman in public would make the company lose billions of dollars  ;)

The way Michael turned his head backwards when he got the kiss say a lot to me.
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themjkiss i so agree with u, i admit the fact that MJ liked her cause she is very pretty, she seems to be a very nice girl and i like her very much but i think if MJ was really in love with her, he would not exclude her from his life, She herself has claimed that when she went to see Michael, she was not allowed and i'm sure that FD had not the right to dictate MJ what to do, Michael was the boss,it was him who was dictating Frank what to do, so i think if MJ really wanted Tatiana to stay, She wouldnt have bee fired, it seems it was MJ's decision to fire her, really sad, i would like them to be together, they would have made a perfect couple but it seems that MJ didn't share the same feelings
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Yet, she was invited to the funeral by Katherine. How do you explain that?
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I just saw these recent posts and didn't read through most of them so this may have already been said. With respect to Tatiana, MJ doesn't speak of her specifically but girls in his shows, in general terms.   I've been reading the Rabbi Schmuley Tapes, which I resisted doing because I don't appreciate schmuley but a friend convinced me because lots of MJ's own words are documented and you can skip schmuley' s silly commentary.   The interviews aren't really disrespectful or encroaching on MJ's privacy.  Just insightful reading to me. The media sensationalized it with what they chose to highlight...
 
In essence, and I'm paraphrasing, MJ says he doesn't like "pushy" women and girls that throw themselves at him and demand all of his attention. He likes his freedom and a woman who would value that in him.  He didn't ask for the kiss, didn't know it was going to happen from what I've read elsewhere.
We know from other interviews that MJ appreciates and practices modesty and he intimates in the tapes that he has a hard time with people who are "clingy."
He says that he always picked the girl who would perform with him but if it became clingy, which was often the case, he would have someone on his team let the girl know because if he himself turned them away, it would hurt them too much.  I can understand that.  

Not having a lot of history about the other women in his shows and never hearing of other issues like Tatiana, I assume this comment was in large part about her.  I did read elsewhere that Mrs. Jackson liked Tatiana very, very much but this is not necessarily how MJ felt. Perhaps Mrs. Jackson felt sorry for Tatiana and invited her to the funeral. I don't know, he's never said he didn't like Tatiana,  but the comment that he'd have someone on his team "usher" a girl away from his shows, says alot about his feelings regarding girls like her,  imo.
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i think a combination of several factors is the key here:

frank dileo is strictly business. he fired tatiana cuz he didn't want mike to be in a relationship that might have gotten public and it kinda did with that kiss. that's one more reason to cut it out, too. make ppl forget it happened. it was prob very obvious that this wasn't just a stage kiss but true romance going on. that would've prob did some 'damage' to mike's fame since so many female fans also meant a lot of money power. they didn't need that kinda outrage or possible money loss at the time and no risk for the tour to be jeopardized in any way. maybe frank also thought it would be 'inappropriate' for mike to be in a relationship with one of his dancers, presswise and all. just imagine the hype if they had made that public...frank was strictly into prevention of anything distracting the tour's success. businesswise it was prob the only thing to do, although terrible on the human side.

i also think it was mutual and they got carried away on stage. both of them. it's all visible in the shortfilm 'the way you make me feel' and tatiana also talks about the shooting and how mike was 'playing around' with her. chemistry galore, imo. everytime i watch that shortfilm, i can't help to think that they seem to be the perfect couple.  

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I have the idea that MJ worked with people he knew he would not fall in love with.
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Here is a great blog on Tatiana's motives:

http://senoritavilleta.wordpress.com/20 ... comment-23


Poor Katherine just wanted to see her son portrayed in a different light for a change. I think Tatiana exaggerates Katherine's encouragement and consent for credibility. Michael wasn't some underage child with a school yard crush. Keep in mind that this is a man who has been married twice before. Obviously Frank didn't have the power to keep him from a going public with a commitment. In fact, both relationships/marriages didn't do much for his image nor did his fans loose sleep over them. She had first crack at him, and after the big revalation (the kiss), if he were interested in her she could've willingly left the tour so that they could've kept the relationship a HUGE secret for the sake of his image. He wasn't in love with her, he didn't trust her--and his intuition proved him right!!!
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@2muchmjluv:

i deleted your other post with tatiana's link because it was the same thing twice. but the link doesn't seem to work. could you please edit and provide a working link?

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Here's my opinion on the whole thing (funny how we're still talking about this kiss so many years later  :lol:  )

I know a lot of people that have met Tatiana in person and everyone says she's very very sweet and extremely gorgeous! I don't doubt that, and I've heard Tatiana say that her and Michael were in love with each other and I thought they had a relationship but maybe they didn't...I think it's apparent that he had some sort of feelings for her and they had great chemistry, and although Michael probably liked the kiss, he is an extremely professional man and he didn't want that to get in the way of his career, especially at that moment because his life was his career in the 80s.

I know for a fact that Tatiana is still not over Michael, and I don't quite know what to make of this...I mean he obviously moved on...just because they have chemistry in that video, it doesn't mean much..Michael has chemistry with the girl in ALL of his videos! He had many relationships after Tati and was married twice and now has three children...while she never got married or had kids?... And on Tatis real facebook after his death she kept posting things like "Michael and I were true soul mates..We were always meant to be, evil people kept us apart...Michael was in love with me...We had real love, we were made for each other" etc, etc. So...idk. Even if he was in love with her, he definitely moved on. If he wanted her that bad he would have done something to be with her. I agree they made an extremely cute couple and if I met her ever I'm sure she'd be lovely and sweet...but the fact that she's still so clingy about Mike makes me iffy about her...

I didnt watch the videos of her ...I dont like to listen to her talk about Michael for some reason...Her side of the story doesn't seem like it'd be the most reliable.

In my opinion I just get jealous of any girl who gets to work/dance with him/KISS him!  ;)
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This thread makes me think about a comedy routine that Richard Pryor did.  I saw a little of it today on tv one.  He was talking about the fact that it was hard for him to commit himself to one woman.  He said he was the type of man that would like to be intimate with a female then when he get sick of her he kick her to the curb.  That was before he got married.  Maybe MJ just wasn't the type to hold a long term relationship.  He probably didn't have a desire for one since he was so busy and committed to his music and fans.  I think it would take a very special woman to be with a man of that fame.
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I think it would take a very special woman to be with a man of that fame.

I completely 100% agree.
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COULD BE TATIANA BLANKET´S SECRET MOTHER???
(DON´T BE RUDE, PLEASE)
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I think it would take a very special woman to be with a man of that fame.

I completely 100% agree.[/quote

I agree with both of you. Keep the Faith!
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COULD BE TATIANA BLANKET´S SECRET MOTHER???
(DON´T BE RUDE, PLEASE)
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doubt it. I dont think Michael had anything to do with Tati after the 80s. Even if he did I highly doubt they were so close as to have a child together. Plus Tatiana doesnt seem like the type of person who'd be able to keep quiet about that sort of thing  :lol:
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Here's my opinion on the whole thing (funny how we're still talking about this kiss so many years later  :lol:  )

I know a lot of people that have met Tatiana in person and everyone says she's very very sweet and extremely gorgeous! I don't doubt that, and I've heard Tatiana say that her and Michael were in love with each other and I thought they had a relationship but maybe they didn't...I think it's apparent that he had some sort of feelings for her and they had great chemistry, and although Michael probably liked the kiss, he is an extremely professional man and he didn't want that to get in the way of his career, especially at that moment because his life was his career in the 80s.

I know for a fact that Tatiana is still not over Michael, and I don't quite know what to make of this...I mean he obviously moved on...just because they have chemistry in that video, it doesn't mean much..Michael has chemistry with the girl in ALL of his videos! He had many relationships after Tati and was married twice and now has three children...while she never got married or had kids?... And on Tatis real facebook after his death she kept posting things like "Michael and I were true soul mates..We were always meant to be, evil people kept us apart...Michael was in love with me...We had real love, we were made for each other" etc, etc. So...idk. Even if he was in love with her, he definitely moved on. If he wanted her that bad he would have done something to be with her. I agree they made an extremely cute couple and if I met her ever I'm sure she'd be lovely and sweet...but the fact that she's still so clingy about Mike makes me iffy about her...

I didnt watch the videos of her ...I dont like to listen to her talk about Michael for some reason...Her side of the story doesn't seem like it'd be the most reliable.

In my opinion I just get jealous of any girl who gets to work/dance with him/KISS him!  ;)

Yeah, I hear you but is she confusing "Love" with "Guilt"???? Also, there were supposedly several men that wanted her, why hadn't she married, had children or moved on? She didn't do him right. She promoted her book and insinuated that he may have been guilty of child molestation. That was during a very difficult time, and her words could have hurt his case. She was a credible source having worked with him and all. She seems kinda psychotic. Glad that he's hidden.  :lol:
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