I believe the van video was real and why

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Offline letstalkagain

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I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 21, 2010, 11:38:29 PM
I was thinking that the video of Mj jumping out of a van, is probaly correct.  Because why in the world
would RTL spend a great deal of money to make the video.  I mean the  van, the artwork, the guards, the
coroners area,.  Why ? This was not a simple video to make, it called for technical people to carry it out.
Get a van, decorate it, get decals,the license plates, everything had to be customized, and customizatiomn is definitely not cheap.  C"mon people. Why would grown men 40 plus do this,a group of 20 years old probaly, but it still would require some big dollars.     There was no money made off of it, for them, so it makes no sense to me at all, other than it probaly is for real.   After the authentic video was leaked, they made a fake video on how they did it,to cover up, the real video that was leaked.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 21, 2010, 11:43:32 PM
You know, there is a photo of Michael in PJ's standing behind a white van.  I think that the guy standing beside him is the fellow that took the ambulance photo.  That photo (which i do not have on my computer-- maybe someone else will have it) always reminds me of the coroner's van video.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 22, 2010, 01:29:27 AM
I also feel that the van video is real.  The one thing about it that I couldn't figure out is 'why wouldn't MJ have a getaway car waiting for him in that garage?'  The only answer that came to mind was that a visit to the coroner's office was necessary; for fingerprinting (which was later made a big deal of in another video) and possibly, a few fake autopsy photos.  In addition, I'm sure the coroner was rewarded for his role in the hoax as well.  The RTL was nothing more than DAMAGE CONTROL.  We may NEVER know who REALLY shot the original footage, IMO.  I posted all of this on Annie's blog a while back...we miss YOU! :D
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 22, 2010, 02:56:22 PM
I also believe the van video was real. The overhead helicopter video showing of the van going into the building you can clearly see someone run, literally run, right into the tunnel just after the van pulls in.
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Offline virgo75

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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 22, 2010, 03:14:51 PM
I'm inclined to believe it's real as well.

I mean, as posted, why go through the trouble to "fake" that video?

Then go through it all over again to PROVE that it's fake?!?!?  :lol:

And for the record - the 2nd video "proving" that 1st video is "fake" looks faker than the original video.   :lol:
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Offline Grenat

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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 22, 2010, 03:31:22 PM
The video that Maura's done about this subject was great !
Have you seen it ? I don't know if the van's video is real but it could be.
Maybe he did this to stir things up ! and to awaken our curiosity..
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 22, 2010, 03:52:49 PM
It does make you wonder why they would have gone to all that trouble to release a rebuttal video.  It really  makes no sense at all.  However, the video was shown on regular media networks and laid a lot of suspicion on the "death".  So I agree that the van video could have been real and that the RTL version was damage control.  Now, how do we prove it? Maura already has done some excellent work.  The thing that impressed me the most on her video was she showed how the columns in the two sequences are at a different distance.  Well, maybe this warrants a more thorough investigation.  What made you think about this possibility?
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 05:51:23 AM
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I'm inclined to believe it's real as well.

I mean, as posted, why go through the trouble to "fake" that video?

Then go through it all over again to PROVE that it's fake?!?!?  :lol:

And for the record - the 2nd video "proving" that 1st video is "fake" looks faker than the original video.   :lol:

I think the reason is for "damage control ".
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 03:32:08 PM
I BELIEVE.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 03:36:10 PM
When the van video, I do not know .....
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 03:41:06 PM
The thing that got me convinced about the video was, that the person who is supposed to have filmed it, breaths almost normal UNTILL he sees Michael. Then he starts to almost hyperventilate ( I would have done that too ! ) and breath like he is almost scared.It could be fake of cause, but I dont think so.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 03:42:42 PM
I do not know, I can not judge .....
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 08:41:53 PM
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The thing that got me convinced about the video was, that the person who is supposed to have filmed it, breaths almost normal UNTILL he sees Michael. Then he starts to almost hyperventilate ( I would have done that too ! ) and breath like he is almost scared.It could be fake of cause, but I dont think so.



There's another thing about the making of and the Van video, that doesnt make sense:

In the making of, they're explaing how they prepared the van with the sirens on it. They just put in on the van, without fixing it on the van ( yes, THEY ARE SAYING THAT!). So then, in the van Video, we can see, the van is driving....and it would be logical, if it would be the fake van, that the sirens would fall off the van right?? BUT IT DOESN'T!!  Because the video is real!
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 09:04:16 PM
I also think it's real ..  :roll:
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 09:09:30 PM
but WHY would he get out of the van?? wouldnt he be long gone? i mean if he wanted to pull this off?? i dont get it? :?  :?
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 09:11:49 PM
Never heard another peep from the person who supposedly hoaxed this video.  Why?  Because he was more than likely handsomely paid to shut the hell up.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 09:20:08 PM
I think it's real too.
I think whoever shot the video leaked it and got bitched out by Michael's camp.
That's when RTL came in and said, "LOL GUYZ WE FAKED IT!!!!"

No...no you didn't.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 09:29:44 PM
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I was thinking that the video of Mj jumping out of a van, is probaly correct.  Because why in the world
would RTL spend a great deal of money to make the video.  I mean the  van, the artwork, the guards, the
coroners area,.  Why ? This was not a simple video to make, it called for technical people to carry it out.
Get a van, decorate it, get decals,the license plates, everything had to be customized, and customizatiomn is definitely not cheap.  C"mon people. Why would grown men 40 plus do this,a group of 20 years old probaly, but it still would require some big dollars.     There was no money made off of it, for them, so it makes no sense to me at all, other than it probaly is for real.   After the authentic video was leaked, they made a fake video on how they did it,to cover up, the real video that was leaked.

Yeah I think that video was real too.  That look just like MJ.  The excuse they gave for making the video is really silly.  They said they made it to prove how fast rumors spread over the internet.  Well duh? :roll:   We already know that so why prove something that people already know.  That's just common sense.  People ain't stupid.  We know everything that is presented on the internet is not true and spreads fast.  That's such a lame excuse to make a video like this please. :roll:  I wouldn't be suprised if MJ himself was a part of that being released.  He's put his own rumors out in the past to mess with people.  I read one of Kim Kardasian's tweets and she even thought the video might be real.  She was like OMG do you think MJ is still alive and she even went to his memorial.  So even a celebrity that knew MJ questions his death.  Ain't that something? :lol:
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 23, 2010, 09:51:51 PM
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but WHY would he get out of the van?? wouldnt he be long gone? i mean if he wanted to pull this off?? i dont get it? :?  :?


Maybe there was some last things that had to be done...just like fingerprints....talking about what they should tell and what not?
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 24, 2010, 02:01:22 AM
Plus, 40-50 year old men, using their talents to make aq youriube video. C'mon i have friends that are
heating, and genberal contractors, and if their is no money they will not get off of their butts to use their talents.  So if their was no money, why do it ?  Just like you said it was damage control, and someone had to pay someone some serious dollars, to get all of those painting, and licensing techs off of their butts !!
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 24, 2010, 06:21:11 AM
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I also believe the van video was real. The overhead helicopter video showing of the van going into the building you can clearly see someone run, literally run, right into the tunnel just after the van pulls in.
do u have a link to this video or the hoax video made regarding this? curious to see..still undecided if its fake or not, but u all have some very good points
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 24, 2010, 06:27:21 AM
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I also believe the van video was real. The overhead helicopter video showing of the van going into the building you can clearly see someone run, literally run, right into the tunnel just after the van pulls in.
do u have a link to this video or the hoax video made regarding this? curious to see..still undecided if its fake or not, but u all have some very good points

Just go to youtube and type in Michael Jackson alive jumping out of van and it should pop up unless they deleted the video.  There's all kinds of videos on youtube about him being alive.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 24, 2010, 06:44:02 AM
Quote from: "letstalkagain"
Plus, 40-50 year old men, using their talents to make aq youriube video. C'mon i have friends that are
heating, and genberal contractors, and if their is no money they will not get off of their butts to use their talents.  So if their was no money, why do it ?  Just like you said it was damage control, and someone had to pay someone some serious dollars, to get all of those painting, and licensing techs off of their butts !!

That's a great point!  Why would seasoned professionals, as pictured in the rebuttal video, go to all that trouble?  It doesn't make any sense.  I think what happened is that the video leaked, it received a tremendous response, even on major media, and so the rebuttal video was made to cover up. Notice that they haven't done that with any other hoax videos. Now why's that?
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 24, 2010, 06:51:47 AM
The reason why I believe the FIRST van video is real:

RTL is trying TOO hard to make it LOOK like a fake one  :D
Actually I have to admit they did a "great" job but it just doesn't makes sense, why make a video to prove you made the video :D you know what I mean? that's just S.T.U.P.I.D. don't you think?

That's the same thing with the making of of the making of of the concerts  :lol:
everytime I hear that, I can't help myself but I really burst into a big laugh  :D

So now we've got 2  vids to laugh about:

The making of of the making of of the van video
The making of of the making of of the concert tour


I wonder what's next?  :roll:
The making of of the making of of the fake your death? :lol:
Maybe there's another part too! "The making of of the making of of "fake your death for dummies"  :lol:

I mean shamone!( :lol: ), how can you make a making of of something that already WAS a making of? ...sooo uhm yes I'm a bit confused
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 24, 2010, 07:05:42 AM
Can anyone please explain the diferent form of the letter R on the van, bcause that is the only thing that remains in the way for me to believe it is indeed real :(
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 24, 2010, 07:13:39 AM
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Can anyone please explain the diferent form of the letter R on the van, bcause that is the only thing that remains in the way for me to believe it is indeed real :(

Thats an easy question :) It's a different FONT, that's why the 1st and the second are different :)
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 24, 2010, 02:59:37 PM
And another thing about the "Making of"_Video that is questionable:

They have actors and people for everything in this video: A Bodyguard, "Michael", the buddy who  prepared the Van etc.

BUT:

WHO IS THE CAMERAMAN?

I saw a lot of RTL Making of Blah blahs, and they always showed everyone who's involved in the making of that, but not here!

They didn't show the person who "acted" as the cameraman!

HA! FAKE!
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 25, 2010, 03:35:13 AM
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Can anyone please explain the diferent form of the letter R on the van, bcause that is the only thing that remains in the way for me to believe it is indeed real :(

Thats an easy question :) It's a different FONT, that's why the 1st and the second are different :)



I know that it is a different font, but the R on both the first vanvideo and the making of are the same. If you compare these to the van where MJ is loaded in near the helicopter, the one that drives in that big garage, you can see a different R . I think I´ll have to get the pics. But actually there was a big thread on this on the old forum, directly after the making of came out. Gonna have a look at that once more. ;)
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 27, 2010, 06:53:20 PM
The filming through a wire mesh fence in the Cebu prison video reminds me of the filming through the fence in the coroner van video.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 27, 2010, 08:59:39 PM
I love watching Michael jump out of that van.  It's the last piece of LIVE footage we have on him before he left the building.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 28, 2010, 02:49:21 AM
Guys you have to make up your mind what you believe?
Wasnt it that the "iron board" was going in to the van from the helicopter? So how come then he jumped out of the Van?

So many contradicting theories my head spins.

Either he moved and stayed in the helicopter on the other stretcher  with straps or they put him in the van on the iron board.
How else he would jump out of the van if was only a surf/iron board going in?
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 30, 2010, 07:43:56 AM
I just think it's pretty enticing to dubunk this kind of video. I read a few comments on youtube stating that they thought the video was fake because the guy just happened to be filming the van drive into the coroner, but thats exactly what they are trying to do. mislead the public so that they can easily just move on to another subject so that MJ's identity remains safe. Also, when your in a situation when your filming and you truly believe that was michael jackson himself, then why on earth would anybody yell "michael jackson is alive!" Think about it, what are the odds that the people on the other end, in the van, will try and confiscate that video camera? the "filmmaker" is on his FEET, and he is clearly outnumbered. you don't want to say anything in that situation because if you were forced to run because they were chasing. you could be running so fast to remain safe that you drop your camera and damage it so the footage is useless then.

Maybe i'm advocating Michael Jackson a little too much here, and maybe it's a radical theory, but it seems plausible in a sense. you think?

and don't forget...MJ and RTL are friends, or they have worked together or collaborated in some respect.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 30, 2010, 10:22:38 AM
I really believe that the video is real. Like someone mention in a earlier post. RTL was doing damage control. Maybe it was to early to relieve the truth or they didn't expect someone to video tape MJ getting out the fan?  Could someone post Maura video about this?
There's a photo on this forum about two bodies in the helicopter. One of the bodies is strapped and the other one is unstrapped. I wonder if the unstrapped body is MJ. There are still alot of unanswered questions of the events that happened on June 25th.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 30, 2010, 12:11:12 PM
Yes "the making of ..." is the key for me.

Almost every little detail of this whole "death of MJ" seems like a play with
- illusions
- distraction
- doubles
- questionable stories and events.

Nothing, literally nothing is clear.

As if someone wants to raise doubts, wants us to think twice, to investigate, to ask, to compare, to find out ...

You know when I started to believe in the hoax? That was as early as the "ghost of Neverland" appeared at CNN. If Mj had really died, this would have be no fun at all but way too disgustibf and disrespectful.
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: January 30, 2010, 01:37:59 PM
This is  proof why the video is real!!
In de original video the bodyguard puts up his left hand, in the making of the bodyguard's lifting up his right hand.
There's way more lighting in the making of.
There's no gate in the making of.
The making of video is way sharper than the original video.

I hope this is usefull  ;)
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Re: I believe the van video was real and why

  • on: February 06, 2010, 02:52:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_kDmpb7yo8 RTL Didn't make this video...
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