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who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 03:30:23 PM
i asked in my various post the very same question but i didnt get any replies that why i m writing it down one more time in a hope to get one answer .
      dr murray was giving him drug to aid sleep , no one was allowed to go upstairs , if someone lets say hire dr murray to kill mj ( supposrting the murder theory) How they got to know he was having it everynite? not even the sibling knew mj was on propofol its was too   confidential  but then who behind the murder ???? anyone  suspicious on  ur  list???
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 03:35:08 PM
There were a lot of people jealous of MJ and also a lot of people seemed to fear MJ would back out of the O2 shows.

AEG, Sony, Thome Thome....   :?
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 03:37:21 PM
Murray admritted to law enforcement that he gave Mj propofyl, so it was Murray who let the cat out of the bag.  If he said nothing then they probaly would not have known, as proprofyl leaves the body pretty quick.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 03:37:58 PM
but i was wondering they had a chance on the set to cause an accident , his driver could have killed him . cooks could  poison him ,
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 03:40:09 PM
Quote from: "mjj_fan"
i asked in my various post the very same question but i didnt get any replies that why i m writing it down one more time in a hope to get one answer .
      dr murray was giving him drug to aid sleep , no one was allowed to go upstairs , if someone lets say hire dr murray to kill mj ( supposrting the murder theory) How they got to know he was having it everynite? not even the sibling knew mj was on propofol its was too   confidential  but then who behind the murder ???? anyone  suspicious on  ur  list???
I see what you mean. I've asked it before, but no one noticed it. It's strange that someone would know about it and use it to kill him (supposing that the murder theory is true, I hope it's not).   :?
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
oh i didnt know you posted but its good we are getting replies now to the question thats keeps on bugging me . it makes me wonder
   what if dr murray is innocent . i dont know why he and his lawyers were insisting the LAPD to release the FULL autopsy report  to prove his  innocence
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 04:06:54 PM
Sooo, again, this leaves the question as to HOW they know MJ actually "died" from propofol intoxication if it leaves the body quickly. People will stop breathing when not properly monitored while on the drug and are then given a breathing tube..theres a vid about it on here somewhere called "watch how propofol works".

Mj could have died from all the sedatives he was given....if propofol leaves the body fast then by the time they did the autopsy, it wouldnt even have been in his sytem anymore so....


Why are we discussing his death when he is alive? LOL
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 04:09:39 PM
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Sooo, again, this leaves the question as to HOW they know MJ actually "died" from propofol intoxication if it leaves the body quickly. People will stop breathing when not properly monitored while on the drug and are then given a breathing tube..theres a vid about it on here somewhere called "watch how propofol works".

Mj could have died from all the sedatives he was given....if propofol leaves the body fast then by the time they did the autopsy, it wouldnt even have been in his sytem anymore so....


Why are we discussing his death when he is alive? LOL

Isnt this the reason why they supposedly took his brain for testing and toxicology tests... as drugs such as Propofol would leave a trace in the brain tissue.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 04:10:58 PM
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Why are we discussing his death when he is alive? LOL

 :lol:
We are just open-minded  ;)
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 04:13:27 PM
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Sooo, again, this leaves the question as to HOW they know MJ actually "died" from propofol intoxication if it leaves the body quickly. People will stop breathing when not properly monitored while on the drug and are then given a breathing tube..theres a vid about it on here somewhere called "watch how propofol works".

Mj could have died from all the sedatives he was given....if propofol leaves the body fast then by the time they did the autopsy, it wouldnt even have been in his sytem anymore so....


Why are we discussing his death when he is alive? LOL

Isnt this the reason why they supposedly took his brain for testing and toxicology tests... as drugs such as Propofol would leave a trace in the brain tissue.


I think so,, but even if there was a "trace", that wouldnt prove thats what he died from. That would just show them that he did have it in his system recently, but I dont think it would tell them how much.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 04:20:42 PM
@ jacksonologist  you ve j ust named my post watch how propofol works...  :)   i  will clear up a confusion for you , propofol  gets out of  system quickly means that after having its effects on our respiratory system in brain  body gets rid of it through excretion . if the urine sample is collected its metabolites willl be trace  by examiner
   @ dancing dreams brain doesnt contains propofol but the effects the drugs has on brains cells show changes that is observed in autopsy
   @ mjj 82 .. excatly ... you are simply  cute
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 04:22:56 PM
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@ jacksonologist  you ve j ust named my post watch how propofol works...  :)   i  will clear up a confusion for you , propofol  gets out of  system quickly means that after having its effects on our respiratory system in brain  body gets rid of it through excretion . if the urine sample is collected its metabolites willl be trace  by examiner
   @ dancing dreams brain doesnt contains propofol but the effects the drugs has on brains cells show changes that is observed in autopsy
   @ mjj 82 .. excatly ... you are simply  cute


It would show up in the brain but could they prove thats what he died of?
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 04:29:50 PM
this is what has been buggin me from day 1.. if MJ feared for his life as its been stated many times.. why let a dr or anyone else for that matter sedate him.. doesn't make sence.. he trusted very few people as he also said.. so why trust a relativly new DR to treat him.. with a dodgy background at that!!

something is just off with this!! i can't put my finger on it but it makes absolutly no sence what so ever.. especially with the love he had for his kids.. why risk even an accident that could happen with drugs, of any sort that could make him unaware of his surrounds and knock him out completly..

I'M NOT BUYING IT!!! theres definatly somet fishy going on.. or a hell of a lot of lies being told..

so the quest for the truth continues..  :geek:
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 04:53:40 PM
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this is what has been buggin me from day 1.. if MJ feared for his life as its been stated many times.. why let a dr or anyone else for that matter sedate him.. doesn't make sence.. he trusted very few people as he also said.. so why trust a relativly new DR to treat him.. with a dodgy background at that!!

something is just off with this!! i can't put my finger on it but it makes absolutly no sence what so ever.. especially with the love he had for his kids.. why risk even an accident that could happen with drugs, of any sort that could make him unaware of his surrounds and knock him out completly..

I'M NOT BUYING IT!!! theres definatly somet fishy going on.. or a hell of a lot of lies being told..

so the quest for the truth continues..  :geek:

+1 on the underlined.

Which makes me believe that either he:
a)faked his death because he was in danger
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b)was murdered.

I don't believe that he would request propofol at his home when your breathing can & often does STOP when it's administered!  

All the info in the media of him being an addict are one thing, but saying he requested it repeatedly from different doctors sounds like a set up after the fact...  Like it was planted.   :?

Thinking optimistically - he could just be exposing exactly HOW people were planning to get rid of him.  Saying he requested medications & was an addict.  Then he let them think they killed him and he got away.

Exactly how all this happened, I don't know.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 05:51:57 PM
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oh i didnt know you posted but its good we are getting replies now to the question thats keeps on bugging me . it makes me wonder
   what if dr murray is innocent . i dont know why he and his lawyers were insisting the LAPD to release the FULL autopsy report  to prove his  innocence

Ive said from almost the beginning that Murray is just a patsy, but no one noticed
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 08:00:10 PM
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i asked in my various post the very same question but i didnt get any replies that why i m writing it down one more time in a hope to get one answer .
      dr murray was giving him drug to aid sleep , no one was allowed to go upstairs , if someone lets say hire dr murray to kill mj ( supposrting the murder theory) How they got to know he was having it everynite? not even the sibling knew mj was on propofol its was too   confidential  but then who behind the murder ???? anyone  suspicious on  ur  list???

No one was allowed to MJ's room I think because of the kids. MJ didn't want'to kids to see their father on drugs. Anestesia is not very cool stuff when the patient wakes up. I saw my mother in hospital after her surgery. Very impressive :cry:

If it's really hoax they say it to prevent people talk about MJ as bad father that was on drugs in front of his kids.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 08:40:20 PM
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i asked in my various post the very same question but i didnt get any replies that why i m writing it down one more time in a hope to get one answer .
      dr murray was giving him drug to aid sleep , no one was allowed to go upstairs , if someone lets say hire dr murray to kill mj ( supposrting the murder theory) How they got to know he was having it everynite? not even the sibling knew mj was on propofol its was too   confidential  but then who behind the murder ???? anyone  suspicious on  ur  list???

No one was allowed to MJ's room I think because of the kids. MJ didn't want'to kids to see their father on drugs. Anestesia is not very cool stuff when the patient wakes up. I saw my mother in hospital after her surgery. Very impressive :cry:

If it's really hoax they say it to prevent people talk about MJ as bad father that was on drugs in front of his kids.

Its my understanding that propofol patients waking up is not like other annesthesia wearing off when a patient wakes up.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 08:46:40 PM
maybe its just symbolic,  he wants us to wake up right,  because if to sleep to deep /like with that med, you can die.. he wants us to wake up so we don't .  And its working look at that Massacusettss election!!    That will stop the health care  reform . yes.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 09:22:25 PM
Tai chase is only one to witness oxygen tanks being carried upstairs and then downstairs.
But, Dr. Murray opened his mouth first.
This being a good question.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 09:32:41 PM
IF IF IF MJ is dead, then there is no way that Murray only gave him the 25mg of Propofol that he says he gave him. If he'd only had that much, it would have left his system and that would be that. Everything I've read from doctors about propofol says that. BUT, if you work under the assumption, for argument's sake, that MJ is dead and that propofol, combined with the benzodiazepenes killed him, then Murry (or someone) gave MJ far more propofol than 25mg. 25mg would not have killed him. Again, assuming he is dead, and then assuming the DC is accurate, MJ was killed by a LETHAL dose of propofol, with the benzo affect as a contributing factor. 25mg is NOT a LETHAL dose. That means MJ would have to have had far more in his system, and that's what killed him,and that's why all of their tests were able to detect it. And IF he is dead, for real, then I believe either Murray, or someone else, killed him by giving him far too much propofol.

Again. IF he is dead.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 21, 2010, 09:36:55 PM
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Murray admritted to law enforcement that he gave Mj propofyl, so it was Murray who let the cat out of the bag.  If he said nothing then they probaly would not have known, as proprofyl leaves the body pretty quick.

You make a very good point there. So I am wondering exacly what is going on, I mean I dont think AEG would hire a clown who would rat himself out and incriminate others in the process. So either MJ was mudered and Dr Murray dont know what hit him and that is why he keeps saying what he gave him shouldn't have killed him. Or, it's a great big HOAX!! :D
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 22, 2010, 10:06:19 AM
What is there was someone who is mentioned in the case. Some rat from MJ's stuff, who was bought by people who were interested in MJ's death.
Doctor Murray goes out of the room, while MJ is sleeping. The kids and the stuff is not allowed to MJ's bedroom.
Murray is in another room chatting.
The 3d person find it's the right moment and go into MJ's room. MJ is sleeping and he doesn't know. Murray is chatting.
Others downstairs.
That person injects something that is not supposed to be seen in autopsy (because people who planned this are not idiots). Or he simply uses pillow to stop his breath. And there's no signs of fighting, because MJ is unconscious.
And then misterious person leaves the room and takes off the security tapes. By the way it can be someone who worked as security for MJ. At least someone who knew were the tapes are.
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 22, 2010, 11:48:28 AM
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What is there was someone who is mentioned in the case. Some rat from MJ's stuff, who was bought by people who were interested in MJ's death.
Doctor Murray goes out of the room, while MJ is sleeping. The kids and the stuff is not allowed to MJ's room.
Murray is in another room chatting.
The 3d person find it's the right moment and go into MJ's room. MJ is sleeping and he doesn't know. Murray is chatting.
Others downstairs.
That person injects something that is not supposed to be seen in autopsy (because people who planned this are not idiots). Or he simply uses pillow to stop his breath. And there's no signs of fighting, because MJ is unconscious.
And then misterious person leaves the room and takes off the security tapes. By the way it can be someone who worked as security for MJ. At least someone who knew were the tapes are.

i have thought this same thing many times.. i really hope its a hoax and not this!!
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 22, 2010, 12:55:32 PM
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Quote from: "Venus"
What is there was someone who is mentioned in the case. Some rat from MJ's stuff, who was bought by people who were interested in MJ's death.
Doctor Murray goes out of the room, while MJ is sleeping. The kids and the stuff is not allowed to MJ's room.
Murray is in another room chatting.
The 3d person find it's the right moment and go into MJ's room. MJ is sleeping and he doesn't know. Murray is chatting.
Others downstairs.
That person injects something that is not supposed to be seen in autopsy (because people who planned this are not idiots). Or he simply uses pillow to stop his breath. And there's no signs of fighting, because MJ is unconscious.
And then misterious person leaves the room and takes off the security tapes. By the way it can be someone who worked as security for MJ. At least someone who knew were the tapes are.

i have thought this same thing many times.. i really hope its a hoax and not this!!

unfortunately it's possible. and it proves why murray claims he's not guilty, autopsy and other stuff. By if it is true Murray is still guilty because he left the room.

I've just read what I wrote in previous post and remembered the song "smooth criminal''   :o
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Re: who leaked the information

  • on: January 22, 2010, 01:41:55 PM
@ christina , you get it right ,  lethal dose  in medical terms is used when the drug in such a high  dose is given that  can kill someone
      so true  benzodiazepines interact wityh propofol by causing cardiac arrest and respiratory depression But  before giving  anasthsesia , few drugs are given like
   1 , anti emetics .. to avoid vomiting coz our cough reflex is inhibited , if someone throw up during or few hrs after anastheisa , chances of ingesting and aspiration of vomit  in lungs become very difficult to treat
   
 2, muscle relaxants , to minimise musle activity
   
  3. anxiolytics ... to reduce anxity among children and few adults copz operation room with its huge moniters seem horrible to few  , so short acting benzdiazepines are given .among  short ones is Midazolam . given few hrs before propofol so if murray did give it to mj he cant be challanged BECAUSE

    According to his statment the time interval was 2 hrs before propofol was administered ,so there was no harm as it is a general  practice

      but we dont know if he indeed gave him  with  2 hr interval ???

 @ jacksonologist
         benzodiazipines after acting on brain cells leave body ,in liver their metabolism take place before they excretion  but you can find them in bile , urine and blood
  as far as propofol goes , it leaves the bodyin urine means that unless you wont get the first sample you can miss it

@ venus if someone put pillow on his mouth there would be atleast some marks around mouth and the brain would have shown the signs of acute respiratory failure by the lack of blood supply . Vs propofol which slowly and gradually turns off the center  and that typical blue look in face become obvious
   
    but according to news they found a cigar in the  room , and that lividity reports  and the 3rd unknown call from dr murray pointing towards a 3rd person presence

     if its a hoax mj is  too intellegent he made this story by using a drug
  1. with UNKNOWN MODE OF ACTION
  2. addictive property of propofol is a debate, its under studies , no medical book publish this aspect of this drug, may be this year they might have upgrade it but i havent read it   so i cant  really comment on that
   3.  in real i never  came cross any  case of propofol abuse
   4  mj children wont be embarrassed coz their dad wasnt  a druggie  

     3rd person ...3rd person who could be that one ???  not a staff , not a family member . not a guest but who ??
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