A response to MJAlive999

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A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 12:53:19 AM
I PM'd you on youtube, MJAlive999.  I'm going to briefly re-state what I said in the message, because I feel it is important.  

Obviously, many people here feel that Mike is sending a message to the world for the "sheeple" to wake up and see how the world is changing, and not in a positive way.  Many folks believe in concepts called the New World Order, the Illuminati, etc.  And they feel that Michael is trying to warn us of the evil intentions of the NWO plan -- some even believe that the antichrist or the devil is directly involved in the nwo.  They believe that Mike is trying to tell us that a huge change is coming fast -- I personally feel that after Obama was elected, this country started moving in a direction that most people thought was going to be a very positive and fresh new approach.  Now many are starting to realize, even those who voted for him, that the country is actually moving in a very scary direction...towards socialism and maybe even worse! (police state, communism, nwo, etc).  I see that with my own eyes and it scares the living daylights out of me.  I don't want my country, the FREE country that I grew up in, to change in that direction.  I don't want the government having control over my life.  

Maybe that's what Michael means by the greatest demonstration of FREEDOM in the history of our nation/the world.  We must prevent the current world leaders from taking away our freedom (because that is the inevitable result of socialism, communism, facism, etc).  

PLEASE, hoax believers, tell me if you think I am on the right track here...  Because if I'm not, I'll keep my mouth shut.  My theories about the hoax enter into the political landscape; and that is often a dangerous place to go.  I usually keep my politics to myself.  For example, many countries around the world hate the USA because we are a FREE society.  We don't believe that the gov't should put everyone on the same playing field (socialism); because that is not real freedom.   Was Michael Jackson a socialist?  A capitalist? Does his message have ANYTHING to do with politics at all?  

Anyway, I'm digressing a bit.  Unfortunately, I do see a few serious problems with what I think is Michael's message, imo.  First of all, so many people don't even believe that he is still alive, so I am afraid the message will never reach enough people.  Second, very few of the hoax believers are in any kind of position to actually go out there and try to change something as vast as the nwo, if it really exists.  Many members are young, and don't even understand yet the way the world works from the inside...how much of what we see (from the media) is an illusion, etc.  Btw, does anyone know if Michael was a fan of the movie, "The Matrix"? If so, then I think Michael is trying to tell us to:

TAKE THE RED PILL!!!!!!!  NOW!!!!!!  

Anyway, another problem I've seen with this hoax is how cryptic the clues are/were.  Again, for those of us who are paying attention, it makes the whole thing seem like just a game.  (sorry Michael, I'm just attempting to get into the minds of those who are confused/frustrated over all of this). Maybe it's just me, but a message as SERIOUS as "Watch out for the nwo, illuminati, communism/facism, the antichrist, etc.", imo, maybe shouldn't be presented to us like the game CLUE .  But then again, maybe dropping clues was the only way Michael could have done this safely.

I DO feel that people, now, are MORE concerned with WHAT Michael is trying to tell us as opposed to "When will he make his big comeback"?  Personally, as I said to MJAlive999 on youtube, I don't concern myself with a comeback at all.  We all have enough fantastic Jackson music from the pop genre to last a lifetime.  And to be fair to those who DO keep asking about the comeback -- I think most of them TRULY just want to know that he is alive & well, more so than when he will be back to entertain us again.  If he was  murdered by powerful people who DON'T want the sheeple to wake up, well...that still fits in to the whole "Michael has a message for us" theory, too.

What troubles me the most is the media.  Many feel that LKL, TMZ, AEG, CAngel, etc are all in on this hoax.  Certain things were staged, etc.  It looked like Michael needed the cooperation of MANY in the entertainment industry to pull this off.  But if you look at the videos of a youtuber named EsotericKitten, she believes that the whole entertainment industry and media is CONTROLLED by the Illuminati.  Why would MJ enlist the help/assistance of the media if he knew that they are already under the spell of the very EVIL institution that he is trying to warn us about????  Hmm...

One more thing.  It's possible (I've heard this from others), that Mike's message may be entirely religious in nature.  i.e. The return, the resurrection, "soon very soon, we are going to see the King", etc.  To be perfectly honest, THAT is a heavy, HEAVY concept to ponder; and I am very doubtful that many people would ever accept the possibility of Michael being a supernatural being (Jesus Christ or an angel sent to warn us of Jesus' return).   This kind of ties in with the whole 2012, endtimes, or spiritual transformation theme.  If THIS is the "red pill" we are supposed to swallow, it surely is the biggest, hardest pill I, personally, will ever have to swallow in my life!!...as it would be for many others too.  I was reading on some other forum not too long ago -- these were MJ fans who felt that he is indeed dead (from drugs/murder); and they were commenting on how sorry they felt for us hoax believers who have gone so far as to say that MJ's death has a Biblical/spiritual purpose.  They laughed at our "delusion".  And I gotta admit, as much as I am desperately trying to look at any and all possibilities for the hoax, I think this one is really hard to believe...

Also, other theories are still out there and have been discussed a Ba-Zillion times...i.e. Michael's efforts to expose the Hollywood DrFeelGood's, etc...  How do we come to the right conclusions?

Two final points: 1) I get a little frustrated at those who keep telling us to "open our eyes", the "evidence is right in front of you!", "wake up!", etc. (Sorry moderators!)  This frustrates me for several reasons: A) the evidence, although YES, is there...the clues are everywhere...they are still quite cryptic & sometimes vague, sometimes hard to believe (especially if you are more scientific in the way your brain is wired and are not prone to believing in things you cannot experience with your 5 senses, conspiracies, the Bible, etc).  B) as I mentioned before, and I mean no disrespect here, but I think as you get older, it gets harder to believe in things like this as your brain becomes more practical, more hardened, more cynical; and thus it's more likely I personally would hear a comment like, "Oh that is all so ridiculous! Michael is dead! Grow up! A conspiracy?! HaHa! Take off your tin foil hat!" from my peers (I'm in my 40's, older than probably most folks here).  So, WILL his message reach ENOUGH people!?!?  Maybe he's just targeting the younger generations, because they are the ones in the best position to actually CHANGE things for the better?

                          2) I've decided that the "message" must be one of the following things: a) stop the nwo;  b) get right with God because Jesus is nearer than we think;  c) or something as simple and plain as 'love one another, be kind to one another, be charitable, stop being such a materialistic, superficial, self centered society and give of yourself to others.  Would he fake his death for any of these messages?

Whew!  That's my final answer and I'm sticking to it.  Am I on the right track or WAY off base?  Please give me your insights; I respect everyone's opinion here!!!  :)
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 01:16:11 AM
he may have wanted to show us the many HOAXes there are and how easily people belive.  hoaxes like 911. jfk, jfk jr. global warming, the stimulus package, hoax, hoax, he can come out and say  yup just another hoax..hehe.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 01:31:52 AM
Quote from: "suzie and me also"
he may have wanted to show us the many HOAXes there are and how easily people belive.  hoaxes like 911. jfk, jfk jr. global warming, the stimulus package, hoax, hoax, he can come out and say  yup just another hoax..hehe.


GREAT point, suzieandmealso!
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 03:08:39 AM
Quote from: "SomethingReal"
I PM'd you on youtube, MJAlive999.  I'm going to briefly re-state what I said in the message, because I feel it is important.  

Obviously, many people here feel that Mike is sending a message to the world for the "sheeple" to wake up and see how the world is changing, and not in a positive way.  Many folks believe in concepts called the New World Order, the Illuminati, etc.  And they feel that Michael is trying to warn us of the evil intentions of the NWO plan -- some even believe that the antichrist or the devil is directly involved in the nwo.  They believe that Mike is trying to tell us that a huge change is coming fast -- I personally feel that after Obama was elected, this country started moving in a direction that most people thought was going to be a very positive and fresh new approach.  Now many are starting to realize, even those who voted for him, that the country is actually moving in a very scary direction...towards socialism and maybe even worse! (police state, communism, nwo, etc).  I see that with my own eyes and it scares the living daylights out of me.  I don't want my country, the FREE country that I grew up in, to change in that direction.  I don't want the government having control over my life.  

Maybe that's what Michael means by the greatest demonstration of FREEDOM in the history of our nation/the world.  We must prevent the current world leaders from taking away our freedom (because that is the inevitable result of socialism, communism, facism, etc).  

PLEASE, hoax believers, tell me if you think I am on the right track here...  Because if I'm not, I'll keep my mouth shut.  My theories about the hoax enter into the political landscape; and that is often a dangerous place to go.  I usually keep my politics to myself.  For example, many countries around the world hate the USA because we are a FREE society.  We don't believe that the gov't should put everyone on the same playing field (socialism); because that is not real freedom.   Was Michael Jackson a socialist?  A capitalist? Does his message have ANYTHING to do with politics at all?  

Anyway, I'm digressing a bit.  Unfortunately, I do see a few serious problems with what I think is Michael's message, imo.  First of all, so many people don't even believe that he is still alive, so I am afraid the message will never reach enough people.  Second, very few of the hoax believers are in any kind of position to actually go out there and try to change something as vast as the nwo, if it really exists.  Many members are young, and don't even understand yet the way the world works from the inside...how much of what we see (from the media) is an illusion, etc.  Btw, does anyone know if Michael was a fan of the movie, "The Matrix"? If so, then I think Michael is trying to tell us to:

TAKE THE RED PILL!!!!!!!  NOW!!!!!!  

Anyway, another problem I've seen with this hoax is how cryptic the clues are/were.  Again, for those of us who are paying attention, it makes the whole thing seem like just a game.  (sorry Michael, I'm just attempting to get into the minds of those who are confused/frustrated over all of this). Maybe it's just me, but a message as SERIOUS as "Watch out for the nwo, illuminati, communism/facism, the antichrist, etc.", imo, maybe shouldn't be presented to us like the game CLUE .  But then again, maybe dropping clues was the only way Michael could have done this safely.

I DO feel that people, now, are MORE concerned with WHAT Michael is trying to tell us as opposed to "When will he make his big comeback"?  Personally, as I said to MJAlive999 on youtube, I don't concern myself with a comeback at all.  We all have enough fantastic Jackson music from the pop genre to last a lifetime.  And to be fair to those who DO keep asking about the comeback -- I think most of them TRULY just want to know that he is alive & well, more so than when he will be back to entertain us again.  If he was  murdered by powerful people who DON'T want the sheeple to wake up, well...that still fits in to the whole "Michael has a message for us" theory, too.

What troubles me the most is the media.  Many feel that LKL, TMZ, AEG, CAngel, etc are all in on this hoax.  Certain things were staged, etc.  It looked like Michael needed the cooperation of MANY in the entertainment industry to pull this off.  But if you look at the videos of a youtuber named EsotericKitten, she believes that the whole entertainment industry and media is CONTROLLED by the Illuminati.  Why would MJ enlist the help/assistance of the media if he knew that they are already under the spell of the very EVIL institution that he is trying to warn us about????  Hmm...

One more thing.  It's possible (I've heard this from others), that Mike's message may be entirely religious in nature.  i.e. The return, the resurrection, "soon very soon, we are going to see the King", etc.  To be perfectly honest, THAT is a heavy, HEAVY concept to ponder; and I am very doubtful that many people would ever accept the possibility of Michael being a supernatural being (Jesus Christ or an angel sent to warn us of Jesus' return).   This kind of ties in with the whole 2012, endtimes, or spiritual transformation theme.  If THIS is the "red pill" we are supposed to swallow, it surely is the biggest, hardest pill I, personally, will ever have to swallow in my life!!...as it would be for many others too.  I was reading on some other forum not too long ago -- these were MJ fans who felt that he is indeed dead (from drugs/murder); and they were commenting on how sorry they felt for us hoax believers who have gone so far as to say that MJ's death has a Biblical/spiritual purpose.  They laughed at our "delusion".  And I gotta admit, as much as I am desperately trying to look at any and all possibilities for the hoax, I think this one is really hard to believe...

Also, other theories are still out there and have been discussed a Ba-Zillion times...i.e. Michael's efforts to expose the Hollywood DrFeelGood's, etc...  How do we come to the right conclusions?

Two final points: 1) I get a little frustrated at those who keep telling us to "open our eyes", the "evidence is right in front of you!", "wake up!", etc. (Sorry moderators!)  This frustrates me for several reasons: A) the evidence, although YES, is there...the clues are everywhere...they are still quite cryptic & sometimes vague, sometimes hard to believe (especially if you are more scientific in the way your brain is wired and are not prone to believing in things you cannot experience with your 5 senses, conspiracies, the Bible, etc).  B) as I mentioned before, and I mean no disrespect here, but I think as you get older, it gets harder to believe in things like this as your brain becomes more practical, more hardened, more cynical; and thus it's more likely I personally would hear a comment like, "Oh that is all so ridiculous! Michael is dead! Grow up! A conspiracy?! HaHa! Take off your tin foil hat!" from my peers (I'm in my 40's, older than probably most folks here).  So, WILL his message reach ENOUGH people!?!?  Maybe he's just targeting the younger generations, because they are the ones in the best position to actually CHANGE things for the better?

                          2) I've decided that the "message" must be one of the following things: a) stop the nwo;  b) get right with God because Jesus is nearer than we think;  c) or something as simple and plain as 'love one another, be kind to one another, be charitable, stop being such a materialistic, superficial, self centered society and give of yourself to others.  Would he fake his death for any of these messages?

Whew!  That's my final answer and I'm sticking to it.  Am I on the right track or WAY off base?  Please give me your insights; I respect everyone's opinion here!!!  :)


hi somethingreal

i was at your situation before, the difference is am not really clever about this kind of politics things because i don't like politics.
i can't tell you too much here. but i agree with you, even am afraid that with this cryptic messages, not many people will understand.
if we the total of the believers and non-believers, we are the believers are so small, and if we compare among us the believers, i'm sure that just couple who will understand the reason behind this hoax.
so at the end i came with my conclusion to do everything in my life in a better way, i have been trying to do some good and noble things in relationship with other people. because i think, if can't do that big thing like michael to change this world, i'm sure i can do it in my small world, just start from the little thing, with the hope from there, i could do something bigger and bigger to change this world.

point no 1 is too difficult for me
point no 2 i don't think he would fake his death just to say this

maybe the reason is in between them or even combination of them (no 1 and 2).

i hope you don't work to hard on this, just try to do something small first, maybe from there you will soon understand the big picture.

it is what i have been doing (maybe you can read my post at Mjalive999 topic), so you will understand what i mean.

love
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 04:01:04 AM
Please SOMETHINGREAL, tell me, what does this rant do in the "breaking news" section ?

Now, when I come to this site I only read the breaking news section because the kind of theories you developped above gets on my nerves and I carefully avoid the zones where I could find them. In theory, the breaking news section is one of them, because it's about the latest news published in the world.
So, please, be good, post your "NWO" and "antichrist" theories in the section where they belong.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 07:27:59 AM
I thought I'd post here with a few thoughts...

I'm not that religious, although I do believe.  I remember one things that my grandmother and mother used to say, when they saw and heard about what what was going on in the world 'we're nearing the end'.  I believe what they said - we are nearring the end.

Didn't Jesus himself say that there would be floods, famine,earthquakes and wars before the end of time - we are seeing all these things happening at the moment.

I'm not sure whether or not Michael was sent to warn us about the end of time, but it is a possibility...
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 11:00:18 AM
Quote from: "SomethingReal"
I PM'd you on youtube, MJAlive999.  I'm going to briefly re-state what I said in the message, because I feel it is important.  

Obviously, many people here feel that Mike is sending a message to the world for the "sheeple" to wake up and see how the world is changing, and not in a positive way.  Many folks believe in concepts called the New World Order, the Illuminati, etc.  And they feel that Michael is trying to warn us of the evil intentions of the NWO plan -- some even believe that the antichrist or the devil is directly involved in the nwo.  They believe that Mike is trying to tell us that a huge change is coming fast -- I personally feel that after Obama was elected, this country started moving in a direction that most people thought was going to be a very positive and fresh new approach.  Now many are starting to realize, even those who voted for him, that the country is actually moving in a very scary direction...towards socialism and maybe even worse! (police state, communism, nwo, etc).  I see that with my own eyes and it scares the living daylights out of me.  I don't want my country, the FREE country that I grew up in, to change in that direction.  I don't want the government having control over my life.  

Maybe that's what Michael means by the greatest demonstration of FREEDOM in the history of our nation/the world.  We must prevent the current world leaders from taking away our freedom (because that is the inevitable result of socialism, communism, facism, etc).  

PLEASE, hoax believers, tell me if you think I am on the right track here...  Because if I'm not, I'll keep my mouth shut.  My theories about the hoax enter into the political landscape; and that is often a dangerous place to go.  I usually keep my politics to myself.  For example, many countries around the world hate the USA because we are a FREE society.  We don't believe that the gov't should put everyone on the same playing field (socialism); because that is not real freedom.   Was Michael Jackson a socialist?  A capitalist? Does his message have ANYTHING to do with politics at all?  

Anyway, I'm digressing a bit.  Unfortunately, I do see a few serious problems with what I think is Michael's message, imo.  First of all, so many people don't even believe that he is still alive, so I am afraid the message will never reach enough people.  Second, very few of the hoax believers are in any kind of position to actually go out there and try to change something as vast as the nwo, if it really exists.  Many members are young, and don't even understand yet the way the world works from the inside...how much of what we see (from the media) is an illusion, etc.  Btw, does anyone know if Michael was a fan of the movie, "The Matrix"? If so, then I think Michael is trying to tell us to:

TAKE THE RED PILL!!!!!!!  NOW!!!!!!  

Anyway, another problem I've seen with this hoax is how cryptic the clues are/were.  Again, for those of us who are paying attention, it makes the whole thing seem like just a game.  (sorry Michael, I'm just attempting to get into the minds of those who are confused/frustrated over all of this). Maybe it's just me, but a message as SERIOUS as "Watch out for the nwo, illuminati, communism/facism, the antichrist, etc.", imo, maybe shouldn't be presented to us like the game CLUE .  But then again, maybe dropping clues was the only way Michael could have done this safely.

I DO feel that people, now, are MORE concerned with WHAT Michael is trying to tell us as opposed to "When will he make his big comeback"?  Personally, as I said to MJAlive999 on youtube, I don't concern myself with a comeback at all.  We all have enough fantastic Jackson music from the pop genre to last a lifetime.  And to be fair to those who DO keep asking about the comeback -- I think most of them TRULY just want to know that he is alive & well, more so than when he will be back to entertain us again.  If he was  murdered by powerful people who DON'T want the sheeple to wake up, well...that still fits in to the whole "Michael has a message for us" theory, too.

What troubles me the most is the media.  Many feel that LKL, TMZ, AEG, CAngel, etc are all in on this hoax.  Certain things were staged, etc.  It looked like Michael needed the cooperation of MANY in the entertainment industry to pull this off.  But if you look at the videos of a youtuber named EsotericKitten, she believes that the whole entertainment industry and media is CONTROLLED by the Illuminati.  Why would MJ enlist the help/assistance of the media if he knew that they are already under the spell of the very EVIL institution that he is trying to warn us about????  Hmm...

One more thing.  It's possible (I've heard this from others), that Mike's message may be entirely religious in nature.  i.e. The return, the resurrection, "soon very soon, we are going to see the King", etc.  To be perfectly honest, THAT is a heavy, HEAVY concept to ponder; and I am very doubtful that many people would ever accept the possibility of Michael being a supernatural being (Jesus Christ or an angel sent to warn us of Jesus' return).   This kind of ties in with the whole 2012, endtimes, or spiritual transformation theme.  If THIS is the "red pill" we are supposed to swallow, it surely is the biggest, hardest pill I, personally, will ever have to swallow in my life!!...as it would be for many others too.  I was reading on some other forum not too long ago -- these were MJ fans who felt that he is indeed dead (from drugs/murder); and they were commenting on how sorry they felt for us hoax believers who have gone so far as to say that MJ's death has a Biblical/spiritual purpose.  They laughed at our "delusion".  And I gotta admit, as much as I am desperately trying to look at any and all possibilities for the hoax, I think this one is really hard to believe...

Also, other theories are still out there and have been discussed a Ba-Zillion times...i.e. Michael's efforts to expose the Hollywood DrFeelGood's, etc...  How do we come to the right conclusions?

Two final points: 1) I get a little frustrated at those who keep telling us to "open our eyes", the "evidence is right in front of you!", "wake up!", etc. (Sorry moderators!)  This frustrates me for several reasons: A) the evidence, although YES, is there...the clues are everywhere...they are still quite cryptic & sometimes vague, sometimes hard to believe (especially if you are more scientific in the way your brain is wired and are not prone to believing in things you cannot experience with your 5 senses, conspiracies, the Bible, etc).  B) as I mentioned before, and I mean no disrespect here, but I think as you get older, it gets harder to believe in things like this as your brain becomes more practical, more hardened, more cynical; and thus it's more likely I personally would hear a comment like, "Oh that is all so ridiculous! Michael is dead! Grow up! A conspiracy?! HaHa! Take off your tin foil hat!" from my peers (I'm in my 40's, older than probably most folks here).  So, WILL his message reach ENOUGH people!?!?  Maybe he's just targeting the younger generations, because they are the ones in the best position to actually CHANGE things for the better?

                          2) I've decided that the "message" must be one of the following things: a) stop the nwo;  b) get right with God because Jesus is nearer than we think;  c) or something as simple and plain as 'love one another, be kind to one another, be charitable, stop being such a materialistic, superficial, self centered society and give of yourself to others.  Would he fake his death for any of these messages?

Whew!  That's my final answer and I'm sticking to it.  Am I on the right track or WAY off base?  Please give me your insights; I respect everyone's opinion here!!!  :)

Dear SomethingReal,

Reading your post made me realize that we are from such different worlds and everything that bonds us is media and english language. Your knowledge of socialism is different then mine, you've been told different. Socialism has nothing to do with NWO, NWO is more like imperialism ???, and socialism is something for people, nation, they own everything, everyone is taken care of... you probably think and asociate socialism with something bad because they told you that in your country....believe me....it's not like that. It's hard to create the system that is good for everyone, but the best one is the one that is good for people and environment, capitalism is good for few and is bad for environment. US media created and made other systems look bad on the other hand I would never live in the US...and SomethingReal, can please pm me so we can talk about communism/fascism....if you want  ;)
We are all feeling that MJ is sending us message about something, my biggest thought is MEDIA, they can create everything and control everything it's like making a movie. We have to be careful, we have to spread love, don't judge something you don't know anything about, just because they told us so.....We have to love each other, respect each other and fight against  media brainwashing. All we can do for MJ is to boycot tabloids, TMZ (they are making money from his name as well), try and wash his name, at least for his children.
SoemthingReal it's all for L.O.V.E., that's why I posted this
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 11:58:23 AM
^^I agree with u. I don't think socialism is a bad thing...Here in America,  I think they (the ones in power) told/brainwashed Americans that socialism is a bad thing...that's because they feel threatned. Capitalism keeps the few in power on top of the "little people", while socialism is an attempt on equality, i.e. something Mj and Obama believe in. Don't be fooled by the socialism scare tactics.... the elite just don't want to lose power....
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 05:48:54 PM
Quote from: "BlessHisHeart"
^^I agree with u. I don't think socialism is a bad thing...Here in America,  I think they (the ones in power) told/brainwashed Americans that socialism is a bad thing...that's because they feel threatned. Capitalism keeps the few in power on top of the "little people", while socialism is an attempt on equality, i.e. something Mj and Obama believe in. Don't be fooled by the socialism scare tactics.... the elite just don't want to lose power....


@ michaelangela and blesshisheart

i understand now, thank you

you are right, i live in new zealand, and this country is a socialist country (i htink). we are all have support from government in education and health, also living cost if we lost our job....so people here still can live normal. the government try to avoid poorness, all are live in equality.
but yeah we still have rich people, but government feeds the poor, so everybody get the same from government...

am i right?

this is interesting.....so, if Michael and Obama like socialism, maybe some people who have power (NWO) they don't like this, they have a reason to finish him....

please tell me if am going wrong....cheers
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 06:46:02 PM
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^^I agree with u. I don't think socialism is a bad thing...Here in America,  I think they (the ones in power) told/brainwashed Americans that socialism is a bad thing...that's because they feel threatned. Capitalism keeps the few in power on top of the "little people", while socialism is an attempt on equality, i.e. something Mj and Obama believe in. Don't be fooled by the socialism scare tactics.... the elite just don't want to lose power....

Do I dare even to comment in this thread?  Issues I am very passionate about and active in? Hmmm..

Sorry, but I can't stop myself.

I've had numerous discussions about this with other invested people who are "on the front lines" in regards to this issue, i.e.,social psychologists, professors, social workers, etc.  It seems to me most people object to socialism because it actually takes away the American values of "you can do anything you set your mind to and go as far as you want to".  In a way it takes the power and pride away from people, because, essentially, one person's wealth is essentially mandated to be taken away from them and mandated to be spread out to the ones who are less fortunate.  For those less fortunate, the motivating desire to "dream big" is taken away.  There's no need or desire to feel you can "conquer the world" .  There's nothing to aspire "to".  The "American Dream" is gone.  

In regards to my personal opinion, I believe that everyone should dream as big as they want to, work hard as they want to, or earn as much money to live the life they want to.  I do not want my government telling me how to spend my very hard earned money.  I prefer to live in a free country where I can make my own choices.  If someone wants to become the next MJ (not really, cause he's simply irreplaceable!), there's nothing stopping him or her.  It opens the door to encourage a more creative, more competitive, and more innovative society.  This is at the heart of American history and values.  There are many other people who are against socialism because they feel it will prevent those who are struggling to reach even higher.  It's interesting because I grew up in the Midwest near where Michael was raised and we both share the traditional midwest values where hard work pays off and that you can accomplish as you much as you put your mind to.  I am glad Mr. Joe Jackson believed in the American Dream--that his children could accomplish anything they wanted to with hard work and determination!  I have to be honest and say that I question if things would've been the same under a different political and value system.  One system is not better than the other, but I do think it shapes and influences the outcomes.  

Thanks Somethingreal, for your honest and courageous post.  It's stuff like this that begins important dialogue.  The bottom line is that regardless of how perceptive and intelligent we all are on this forum, and despite how many well-thought out theories there are, when it comes down to it, none of us really know what the hell is going on behind the scenes or the reasons behind MJ's death. We can certainly give our best guess, but it's important for us to remain humble and honest about that reality.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 07:12:12 PM
as i said this is a matter of faith.
I don't believe Michael did it to protest something that happened to him. (he always was more concerned with other people)and thinking about the world... the HOAX, would be selfishness if was just for him.
give me some time and i will do a big post about it!
(it involves  religion, apocalypse, 2012, prophecies, nwo, obama) and... my intention is to make it as clear as possible.
before... maybe you will say it's all coincidence but... remember all the evidence about MJ being alive. are not only coincidences for many of you, right? they are proofs! (remember ''V'' there are no coincidences) So, have an open mind 'cause there are facts happening now with odd consequences (and maybe odd causes). and those events maybe are just the begnning of the ''end''. (perhaps this is just paranoia(I hope it is) but if not ... I'd rather be aware of the facts ^^) sorry for any english mistake ... when I'm writing, I have an explosion of ideas :P)
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 07:22:38 PM
I know this post is for MJalive999 but I wanted to say some things.
If some countries or people "hate" the USA (I do hate GOVERNMENTS never the people) I don't think it's because it is a "FREE" country but rather because of its hegemony and its willing to impose its supremacy to the world. I don't think that spreading its army (not of LOVE) all around the world is a good message for FREEDOM. Do you know that there are more american soldiers' deaths due to suicide than by fighting. Something is wrong, no.

"The American Dream" I really don't know what to think about it. A dream is not reality. Accomplishment, realization, achievment is not in the material, the glory or the fame, the money or the lust. I think it's spiritual and the problem nowadays is that people only think material not spiritual. Even some of those who claim to have faith in God follow the material way imposed by the Elites.

I know it's hard to have any certainty about the reasons of this hoax but if we look at Michael's messages throughout his career, his interviews, his songs we can have more than hypothesis and be able to approach certainty.

God Bless You
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 16, 2010, 07:35:21 PM
Sarahli,

Without first a dream, there is no reality.  Dreams, goals, and vision are the mandatory beginnings to accomplishing a reality.  This is partially why Michael believed so much in children, as they were not jaded by life to stop believing in their dreams.  It's that critical belief in oneself and utilizing one's God-given talents and abilities that make all dreams possible.  This is what I interpret as being the "American Dream".  It's not about being self-absorbed, but rather, making the most out of one's life with determination, sacrifice, and hard work.  It's about "dreaming big" in all that one chooses to do in life.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 17, 2010, 01:06:09 PM
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Sarahli,

Without first a dream, there is no reality.  Dreams, goals, and vision are the mandatory beginnings to accomplishing a reality.  This is partially why Michael believed so much in children, as they were not jaded by life to stop believing in their dreams.  It's that critical belief in oneself and utilizing one's God-given talents and abilities that make all dreams possible.  This is what I interpret as being the "American Dream".  It's not about being self-absorbed, but rather, making the most out of one's life with determination, sacrifice, and hard work.  It's about "dreaming big" in all that one chooses to do in life.


Thanks for your answer and I completely understand it. I know that dreams are necessary first to make it reality, to make dreams come true... but what I critize is the "American Dream" as a reality, what is the reality of the "American dream" for most of American people ?

I absolutely don't deny the fact that dreaming is the best thing to begin with in order to get inspiration, strenght to carry on projects, hopes...

God Bless You
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 17, 2010, 01:33:41 PM
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I PM'd you on youtube, MJAlive999.  I'm going to briefly re-state what I said in the message, because I feel it is important.  

Obviously, many people here feel that Mike is sending a message to the world for the "sheeple" to wake up and see how the world is changing, and not in a positive way.  Many folks believe in concepts called the New World Order, the Illuminati, etc.  And they feel that Michael is trying to warn us of the evil intentions of the NWO plan -- some even believe that the antichrist or the devil is directly involved in the nwo.  They believe that Mike is trying to tell us that a huge change is coming fast -- I personally feel that after Obama was elected, this country started moving in a direction that most people thought was going to be a very positive and fresh new approach.  Now many are starting to realize, even those who voted for him, that the country is actually moving in a very scary direction...towards socialism and maybe even worse! (police state, communism, nwo, etc).  I see that with my own eyes and it scares the living daylights out of me.  I don't want my country, the FREE country that I grew up in, to change in that direction.  I don't want the government having control over my life.  

Maybe that's what Michael means by the greatest demonstration of FREEDOM in the history of our nation/the world.  We must prevent the current world leaders from taking away our freedom (because that is the inevitable result of socialism, communism, facism, etc).  

PLEASE, hoax believers, tell me if you think I am on the right track here...  Because if I'm not, I'll keep my mouth shut.  My theories about the hoax enter into the political landscape; and that is often a dangerous place to go.  I usually keep my politics to myself.  For example, many countries around the world hate the USA because we are a FREE society.  We don't believe that the gov't should put everyone on the same playing field (socialism); because that is not real freedom.   Was Michael Jackson a socialist?  A capitalist? Does his message have ANYTHING to do with politics at all?  

Anyway, I'm digressing a bit.  Unfortunately, I do see a few serious problems with what I think is Michael's message, imo.  First of all, so many people don't even believe that he is still alive, so I am afraid the message will never reach enough people.  Second, very few of the hoax believers are in any kind of position to actually go out there and try to change something as vast as the nwo, if it really exists.  Many members are young, and don't even understand yet the way the world works from the inside...how much of what we see (from the media) is an illusion, etc.  Btw, does anyone know if Michael was a fan of the movie, "The Matrix"? If so, then I think Michael is trying to tell us to:

TAKE THE RED PILL!!!!!!!  NOW!!!!!!  

Anyway, another problem I've seen with this hoax is how cryptic the clues are/were.  Again, for those of us who are paying attention, it makes the whole thing seem like just a game.  (sorry Michael, I'm just attempting to get into the minds of those who are confused/frustrated over all of this). Maybe it's just me, but a message as SERIOUS as "Watch out for the nwo, illuminati, communism/facism, the antichrist, etc.", imo, maybe shouldn't be presented to us like the game CLUE .  But then again, maybe dropping clues was the only way Michael could have done this safely.

I DO feel that people, now, are MORE concerned with WHAT Michael is trying to tell us as opposed to "When will he make his big comeback"?  Personally, as I said to MJAlive999 on youtube, I don't concern myself with a comeback at all.  We all have enough fantastic Jackson music from the pop genre to last a lifetime.  And to be fair to those who DO keep asking about the comeback -- I think most of them TRULY just want to know that he is alive & well, more so than when he will be back to entertain us again.  If he was  murdered by powerful people who DON'T want the sheeple to wake up, well...that still fits in to the whole "Michael has a message for us" theory, too.

What troubles me the most is the media.  Many feel that LKL, TMZ, AEG, CAngel, etc are all in on this hoax.  Certain things were staged, etc.  It looked like Michael needed the cooperation of MANY in the entertainment industry to pull this off.  But if you look at the videos of a youtuber named EsotericKitten, she believes that the whole entertainment industry and media is CONTROLLED by the Illuminati.  Why would MJ enlist the help/assistance of the media if he knew that they are already under the spell of the very EVIL institution that he is trying to warn us about????  Hmm...

One more thing.  It's possible (I've heard this from others), that Mike's message may be entirely religious in nature.  i.e. The return, the resurrection, "soon very soon, we are going to see the King", etc.  To be perfectly honest, THAT is a heavy, HEAVY concept to ponder; and I am very doubtful that many people would ever accept the possibility of Michael being a supernatural being (Jesus Christ or an angel sent to warn us of Jesus' return).   This kind of ties in with the whole 2012, endtimes, or spiritual transformation theme.  If THIS is the "red pill" we are supposed to swallow, it surely is the biggest, hardest pill I, personally, will ever have to swallow in my life!!...as it would be for many others too.  I was reading on some other forum not too long ago -- these were MJ fans who felt that he is indeed dead (from drugs/murder); and they were commenting on how sorry they felt for us hoax believers who have gone so far as to say that MJ's death has a Biblical/spiritual purpose.  They laughed at our "delusion".  And I gotta admit, as much as I am desperately trying to look at any and all possibilities for the hoax, I think this one is really hard to believe...

Also, other theories are still out there and have been discussed a Ba-Zillion times...i.e. Michael's efforts to expose the Hollywood DrFeelGood's, etc...  How do we come to the right conclusions?

Two final points: 1) I get a little frustrated at those who keep telling us to "open our eyes", the "evidence is right in front of you!", "wake up!", etc. (Sorry moderators!)  This frustrates me for several reasons: A) the evidence, although YES, is there...the clues are everywhere...they are still quite cryptic & sometimes vague, sometimes hard to believe (especially if you are more scientific in the way your brain is wired and are not prone to believing in things you cannot experience with your 5 senses, conspiracies, the Bible, etc).  B) as I mentioned before, and I mean no disrespect here, but I think as you get older, it gets harder to believe in things like this as your brain becomes more practical, more hardened, more cynical; and thus it's more likely I personally would hear a comment like, "Oh that is all so ridiculous! Michael is dead! Grow up! A conspiracy?! HaHa! Take off your tin foil hat!" from my peers (I'm in my 40's, older than probably most folks here).  So, WILL his message reach ENOUGH people!?!?  Maybe he's just targeting the younger generations, because they are the ones in the best position to actually CHANGE things for the better?

                          2) I've decided that the "message" must be one of the following things: a) stop the nwo;  b) get right with God because Jesus is nearer than we think;  c) or something as simple and plain as 'love one another, be kind to one another, be charitable, stop being such a materialistic, superficial, self centered society and give of yourself to others.  Would he fake his death for any of these messages?

Whew!  That's my final answer and I'm sticking to it.  Am I on the right track or WAY off base?  Please give me your insights; I respect everyone's opinion here!!!  :)

Dear SomethingReal,

Reading your post made me realize that we are from such different worlds and everything that bonds us is media and english language. Your knowledge of socialism is different then mine, you've been told different. Socialism has nothing to do with NWO, NWO is more like imperialism ???, and socialism is something for people, nation, they own everything, everyone is taken care of... you probably think and asociate socialism with something bad because they told you that in your country....believe me....it's not like that. It's hard to create the system that is good for everyone, but the best one is the one that is good for people and environment, capitalism is good for few and is bad for environment. US media created and made other systems look bad on the other hand I would never live in the US...and SomethingReal, can please pm me so we can talk about communism/fascism....if you want  ;)
We are all feeling that MJ is sending us message about something, my biggest thought is MEDIA, they can create everything and control everything it's like making a movie. We have to be careful, we have to spread love, don't judge something you don't know anything about, just because they told us so.....We have to love each other, respect each other and fight against  media brainwashing. All we can do for MJ is to boycot tabloids, TMZ (they are making money from his name as well), try and wash his name, at least for his children.
SoemthingReal it's all for L.O.V.E., that's why I posted this


NWO and socialism go hand in hand.  You cannot have one world order and have capitalism or individualism survive.  NWO is every country ran under the control of a few; those few deciding what we will and will not have or do.  If the poeple of the world allow the NWO to form your individual rights will no longer exist.  We will be at the mercy of the few.  I'm not sure of other countries but this a hugh deal in the US.   IMO, a NWO would be detrimental to all the peoples of the world.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 17, 2010, 01:57:23 PM
Sarahli,

I hear and appreciate what you are saying.  Many people are uninspired, unmotivated, discouraged or don't lack the confidence to live out their dreams...especially in this economic climate.  It's a complex issue, but fortunately this next generation of kids are especially ambitious and are doing incredible things.  I was just talking to a teenager the other day, and he expressed to me that he wanted to be the president of the country someday.  He is extremely bright, motivated and a hard worker, and with the right preparation, I have no doubt that I will see him active someday in the national political system as a presidential candidate.  He is already making significant changes in his local community.  I could tell you many, many other stories  like this.  I am fortunate enough to see many kids, and adults alike, fulfill their Dreams and accomplish the so-called "American Dream".  I believe in the "Dream" wholeheartedly, as I have lived it myself, coming from a family that didn't have much in terms of resources and support.  Blood, sweat, and tears pay off.  It just takes education, mentoring and cultivation of one's God-given talents to help one aspire to reach his or her Dreams, and the determination, perseverance, and resilience to NEVER give up, because there are lot of people and factors that can be discouraging.  

This is a good conversation.  Thanks Sarahli for the dialogue.  Take care.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 17, 2010, 02:08:23 PM
".....- I personally feel that after Obama was elected, this country started moving in a direction that most people thought was going to be a very positive and fresh new approach. Now many are starting to realize, even those who voted for him, that the country is actually moving in a very scary direction...towards socialism and maybe even worse! (police state, communism, nwo, etc). I see that with my own eyes and it scares the living daylights out of me. I don't want my country, the FREE country that I grew up in, to change in that direction. I don't want the government having control over my life."

BINGO!!!  I have done some research on this and found his background as well as who he chooses to follow and surround himself with VERY unsettling.  It stinks to high heaven IMHO.  I hope the American people wake up because this is for real.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 18, 2010, 03:15:07 AM
please do not try and blame the troubles of the world on OBAMA give the man a chance he has only been in office a yr. he is still in the process of trying to clean up the horrific mess that bush left. its going to take longer than a year to clean up 8 yrs of mess.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 20, 2010, 09:18:07 PM
Michaelangela wrote;
Dear SomethingReal,

Reading your post made me realize that we are from such different worlds and everything that bonds us is media and english language. Your knowledge of socialism is different then mine, you've been told different. Socialism has nothing to do with NWO, NWO is more like imperialism ???, and socialism is something for people, nation, they own everything, everyone is taken care of... you probably think and asociate socialism with something bad because they told you that in your country....believe me....it's not like that. It's hard to create the system that is good for everyone, but the best one is the one that is good for people and environment, capitalism is good for few and is bad for environment. US media created and made other systems look bad on the other hand I would never live in the US...and SomethingReal, can please pm me so we can talk about communism/fascism....if you want  
We are all feeling that MJ is sending us message about something, my biggest thought is MEDIA, they can create everything and control everything it's like making a movie. We have to be careful, we have to spread love, don't judge something you don't know anything about, just because they told us so.....We have to love each other, respect each other and fight against media brainwashing. All we can do for MJ is to boycot tabloids, TMZ (they are making money from his name as well), try and wash his name, at least for his children.
SoemthingReal it's all for L.O.V.E., that's why I posted this


I agree with you, risking criticism I declare I'm no socialist demon like us to see, and I explain that to me is a socialist
          Be Socialist means be committed - happily committed - body and soul with an equal and just world. Means working with humility in transformation - firstly - and selfish old man carrying inside. Mean disgust for the "honey" and capitalism's own privileges. Means go dying old man and giving birth again. Means use all means available to transform charity in justice. Means widen the heart and open wide to the deep love for mankind, by nature ... for life. Finally, means that outrage becomes way to banish poverty, injustice and the terror of the face of the Earth. Means not rest while a single injustice, an exploited worker, a peasant hopeless mission and personal life that mission. There is no other way of experiencing true socialism that being humble and simple. We must Expel the heart prejudice, the old resentments, selfish behavior patterns to go placing, heart inside, the new values. The new man is personal, internal, deep, poignant, painful delivery as whole but bright and full of life as delivery task. Feeds with what comes from outside but the essence is the same man inside. The doctrine, reading, living experience and the orthopraxy anyway, nourish the fertilizer does with the plant, but always change will be internal, must be internalize deep, Substantive and essential. Being Socialist Abandoning the heart means attachment to the criteria and patterns rooted by years of capitalist Ideological manipulation, means assume nudity to Undertake the way without return, generous and detached in pursuit of the new man.
           If the word, gesture and conduct are exclusive and is the heart. Who nest in their hearts love, peace, resolution and determination can only be free of itself and get freedom. Good and simple man will be compliant with simple pleasures, have some hands always open to give everything and give himself. The noble heart always finds the common good have cost you without effort, so naturally as his breath.

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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 21, 2010, 02:16:19 PM
I think that people hate is the U.S. government, not its people, and say that;

The more fundamentalist thinkers and American political actors in the mid 1990s designed a strategy aiming To ensure and maintain in the 21st century American hegemony worldwide in the financial, political order and Primarily military. The plan is to turn us into the single planetary superpower and was defined in the "project for the new American century". The creators of this conception are noted Neoconservatives extremist who occupied important positions in the Reagan and George Bush administrations father and son, such as: Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Dan Quayle, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Elliott Abrams, John Bolton, Richard Perle and other no less fundamentalist and dark characters of the Republican far right in the United States.
Overall this plan aims to establish, if necessary by force of arms, a new international order with U.S. head so as to maintain their supremacy unilateral, since for them the dominance of U.S. interests is being breached systematically, which constitutes a serious threat to its national security and therefore need to apply means of containment to prevent the collapse of their hegemony, then requires the creation of a political system and global security led by the government and U.S. military forces in order to ensure: the openness, stability and the globalization of markets, security and freedom of world trade and unrestricted access wherever they are to energy sources and raw materials needed to boost its economy and its allies control of all major social political movements opposed to their interests in the domain expansion of financial and industrial capital of transnational corporations and their control of media and information worldwide.
To crystallize these plans are supporting a growing without limits its military resources, Increasing warlike operations Alleged covered in his interest in international values of freedom and democracy-building and a ruthless and permanent media to justify their actions, hide their crimes and discredit all opposing interests campaign.
The element that would ensure the implementation of this strategy is based on the use of military force, which is necessary to: 1 -. The expansion of the defense budget which has reached almost irrational limits on the George Bush (750,000 million in 2008), in order to expand and modernize the military capability; 2 -. Expansion and consolidation of the military presence abroad (Central Asia, Balkans, Caucasus, Africa, Latin America, Middle East and Eastern Europe) to ensure territorial control, immediacy and mobility of military resources against possible developments, 3 -. Absolute and OTAN transformation into a punitive and deterrent mechanism to ensure the interests of the empire and its allies and 4 -. Phasing out of the international legal framework to replace the medium term for a system to maintain the primacy of U.S. policy and grant him the right and the unilaterally intervene militarily in any country, using enough excuse biased trial of the Empire and its authorities (doctrine of preventive war) discretion.

Implementing this strategy required a dramatic insane factor and impressive envelope Which justify its execution, so were the events of 11 September as the Catapult launched its implementation, developed the Theory of the fight against terrorism as the perfect mechanism to Implement in practice the process. Combat terrorism policy was Conceived as a war front and universal, Which involved not only military but also political, economic and technological and serious regard the overlapping Way To ensure and enforce the continuity of American hegemony.
This immoral political elite used and uses the mechanism of the lie as primary to modify awareness and perception of citizens about the political reality and world events with the intention of sticking together to justify their methods and practices of domination, it exposes so element ideologues of Leo Strauss When the American conservative right raises:

"The essential truths of society and history must be maintained by an elite and not Disclosed to those who lack sufficient strength to take the truth, only a group Recognize the truth and is reserved for Yes, Providing them an understanding and guarantees them a power that others do not Possess.
Under the scheme of this aberrant ideology, the Government of George w. Bush and his hawks of the Pentagon invaded Afghanistan and Iraq covered in Combating terrorism This would Thereby Ensure complete control of the Middle East and the dominance of the immense Iraqi oil resources of Central Asia from Afghanistan, give us political and military prestige Which would Strengthen its influence at the international level, with Which its aspiration of consummate their continuity and planetary domain would pave towards consolidation strategy.
Are envision difficult times motivated the depletion of natural resources and the environmental problems of climate change, Which Will be the most likely cause of an impressive economic and food crisis will ever view that endanger the current scheme of production and capitalist domination And which could cause extreme Solutions covered in the immense military power that they hold in haras maintain racial superiority Indiscriminate use and survival of their society to the detriment of other countries. We have time avoid this lurid future that not far from becoming a possible reality :o

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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 21, 2010, 02:37:57 PM
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please do not try and blame the troubles of the world on OBAMA give the man a chance he has only been in office a yr. he is still in the process of trying to clean up the horrific mess that bush left. its going to take longer than a year to clean up 8 yrs of mess.

I think he's part of and continuing the problem IMO.  Personally I do not want to walk in lock step to the Obama doctrine.  The people of Massachusettshave spoken and others will follow.
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 21, 2010, 03:14:26 PM
I really don't know what to say about all this. Please don't bash me, i just want to tell what i feel and feel free to correct me where i'm wrong. Firstly, i don't think Michael would fake his death to give us any message. How many people believe in the hoax?? Just a few in comparison to the non believers. Wouldn't one anticipate if Michael Jackson fakes his death and gives some clues that only his truest fans would get, there would be just few people who would believe in it? Why would Michael take such a big step to send this message, if there is any, knowing that perhaps only 10-15% of his fans would believe it? Aren't we giving more space to the haters to bash us and Michael with these NWO/illuminati theories? Won't the haters laugh their asses off that Michael Jackson faked his death to give this message when there's no one to believe him? If Michael would announce with something like a worldwide press conference that these people are planning to ruin the world, with all the safety possible to have, the world would listen. Some would believe, some would not. But that isn't possible cause they would kill him if he did it. But who in the world would even think that Michael Jackson faked his death to warn us about illuminati? Not everyone is his fan. Let's say 50% people of the world are his fans, 10% believe he's alive. And 7% people are believing in these theories. So what is it that this 7% people are going to do to stop the NWO? Wouldn't Michael know that these few people are not gonna be able to do anything? When i see people talking about these things like they are given all the 100% true proofs that this is the reason, i feel lost cause all these are just speculations! I'm not saying this can't be his message, i repeat i am not saying this can't be his message but HE didn't tell this to us so i don't think we should go with this with our eyes closed. We can take this as a possibility. About the religious stuff, i would believe it if i could see it happen. But when i think about these theories, i honestly feel the non believers have strong enough reasons to laugh at us. We can ofcourse take things as possibilities but not as facts like "see! this is his message! i know cause i'm a true fan!" i have also noticed that those who believe in the illuminati theories get mad at us who keep asking when he's coming back. WHY ON EARTH WOULDN'T WE ASK THAT????? We ask that cause we want to be SURE that our hero is alive and safe, we don't want him back to do shows and entertain us! I wish everyone had respect to each others views and try to understand that wanting him back is NOT selfish. *peace to all*
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 21, 2010, 05:28:38 PM
@farhatmjj:
I've been going through numerous "what if"s in my head since June. Here's one to offer you a viewpoint about Michael faking his death to make his point across.

"Firstly, i don't think Michael would fake his death to give us any message. How many people believe in the hoax?? Just a few in comparison to the non believers."

Suppose he faked his death to make a point, to open our eyes to things happening in our world. I believe that he was full aware of the system, nwo, global elite's agenda- whatever we should call it. He tried to speak his mind in some of his songs, and tried more "aggressively" in each new album. But he wasn't successful in that sense. People were generally more interested in his persona and life outside music. And the media did it's best to ridicule him... or perhaps to shut him up. A classic way to suppress opinions is to ridicule them. When there's no other argument to give, put the ridicule card on the table. Mass media did that all the time and the sheeple bought it.
In his profession as a musician, entertainer - it is probably particulary difficult to suddenly start speaking your mind because so many people expect them to just entertain, to offer escape from the stresses of everyday life. An example, see what happened to Dixie Chicks when they spoke their mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lCQZeG9OWI
And especially difficult for Michael, because he was constantly ridiculed by the masses just being who he was.

"Won't the haters laugh their asses off that Michael Jackson faked his death to give this message when there's no one to believe him?"

If the haters or non-believers bash, just let them. Who cares. The point is no more whether Michael faked his death or not, with a message or not. Fact is these things are happening in the world irrelevant to if Michael is dead or alive. This thing is beyond him. And the things have effected the lives of the bashers too, but they only see trees, not the forest.

Michael's 'death' has definitely opened many eyes. TIAI made a big effort in this. I don't know who's behind it and I don't really care; the agenda is more important. I hope more eyes will keep opening, raindrops start rivers.

"Let's say 50% people of the world are his fans, 10% believe he's alive. And 7% people are believing in these theories. So what is it that this 7% people are going to do to stop the NWO?"

Believe me, a LOT of people have become and are becoming aware of the nwo without anything to with Michael. I am one example. I'm quite new to this knowledge. Now I see people wake up in Ytube and in my country too. Some have been awake for decades and ridiculed - like David Icke and Rauni-Leena Luukanen. I'm still not ready to take in all the depths of their message, but I have an open mind and freedom to study and decide.

It's true that many eyes have opened but now question "Now what?" "What do I do now to stop it?" I am questioning this myself and studying. But for me, there's no going back to sleep that's for sure. First I was terrified, but now I've somehow I feel there's no need for fear.

Hope this offered something you were looking for.

Linda

Michaelangela, BlessHisHeart, paula-c - loved your posts!
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 21, 2010, 05:30:49 PM
You know even some fans just believe that Michael died because of Dr Murray/Propofol and are therefore not researching the truth about his "death". What they're being told by the media is sufficient for them. I don't bash them they have other things to do but this shows how the medias are a danger.
I really think that the major (or at least one of the major) weapon in this world are the medias because they can easily hide the truth, twist it and print lies, engrave them in people's mind. They only show us a piece of the puzzle, the piece they want us to see. The other pieces of the puzzle are hidden so that we cannot even have the material to find the big picture. See how hard it is to find the truth if we rely on them ! That's why I think the internet can become a second-power, we've been manipulated since a long time ago and it's really time for people to see it and admit it.  Now I know that only a few people are aware of what's going on behind the curtain (not only Michael's fans but other people too) and I'm definitely sure that we need a media earthquake (sorry for this regarding Ha├»ti but I like to say it that way) for people to wake up. I'm not yet 100% sure that it is Michael's reason for having faked his death but this NWO coming is a reality and it just cannot be ignored. Look, thanks to Michael we're talking about it, it's a good beginning and I'm sure the best has to come.
Love you more Michael !

God Bless You
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Re: A response to MJAlive999

  • on: January 21, 2010, 11:29:16 PM
SomethingReal, a very well written and well thought out post.
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