***breaking news*** best evidence yet

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Offline francisca81

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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 27, 2009, 01:33:21 PM
well i can't leave here, without saying anything :)
i've seen some great posts in this tread! thanks all for putting your thoughts in to words.
bec, souza and hesouttamylife...you truly discribed it amazing!
about starting with yourself and the state the world is in now, just all of what you wrote :)

thank you for putting it down so nicely here, i really feel the way you guys wrote down and i'm very glad that there are more people who feel the same as me...

for mo and souza, don't know what happined that you both are feeling a little bit down, but hope you both will feel better soon.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 27, 2009, 03:37:13 PM
I do want to say that I like this thread and I do agree with most of what everyone said but I just wanted to point some things out.

- I am not sure how the neighborhood in Gary, Indiana is. It is probably not the safest neighborhood. However, and I am not trying to offend anyone, that does not mean that it is a really bad neighborhood 24/7. I am very touchy on this subject because I grew up in a neighborhood that a lot of people would consider "unsafe" where in fact, it's not that bad at all. However, if someone were to drive by it at night, he or she may be scared, depending on who's out and what's going on and what prejudgments a person may have coming into the neighborhood. And it shows you how much the media can affect the way we perceive certain neighborhoods and certain groups of people. (I am not saying that this is what bec is doing at all but I want to make this point in general.) Typically, the news plays this up really well. They'll go on and on about all this crime happening in typically a low income neighborhood where the majority is usually Black but never report on the illegal activities that happen in the suburbs so there comes a mindset that the "ghetto"=to crime and mayhem and the suburbs=to safety and no crime when in reality, it's not that true. It's just that the crimes that happen in the suburbs do not get nearly as much airplay as the ones in the low income neighborhoods because they want to project a certain image of "minorities", especially Black people in America. And it almost becomes a perpetual cycle because some people in these low income neighborhoods begin to believe the image that is being projected and begin to feel powerless and hopeless when in fact, we are all VERY POWERFUL. We can all have the magnitude of greatness as MJ, even greater if we truly believe in our own power, which leads me to my next point.  

- Michael is an extremely gifted artist. He was born with the musical gift that many would die to have. And those gifts came from God. However, I don't think it's fair to ourselves to say that he is a gift from God because he lived such a public life. We are all gifts from God. And we all have innate gifts that we were born to have and we all grow up in families that could possibly help bring out those gifts if we choose to. It's just that some of our gifts are not meant to be as public and that's okay. We are all special and vital to this society that we live in. I think the problem, in general, is that we limit ourselves by putting someone else on a pedestal. And I remember a posting that "BACK" (who some people perceive to be MJ or someone in the know)  had in regards to if there were any famous people on the board (MJJC) and he said "Everyone here is famous because they are all well known to somebody." (You can view it HERE: http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/729/ ... onmjjc.jpg)  And I just loved that because it is so true. We are all human and we are all special.

And that is my speech for the day.  :lol:

Oh and I just saw the video clip. I love it. I wish I could see the whole speech. Maybe someone else will have it hopefully.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 27, 2009, 04:01:30 PM
Since joing this site many months ago  i have to say i have learnt so much and i thank all of you for showing how life can be for some people i do sit in my little protected bubble not realising how hard it is for some thankyou for this lesson in life that we are all on
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 27, 2009, 05:14:46 PM
Quote from: "bec"

Michael is an amazing man, but he didn't get there alone. None of us do. It's people around us who love us and support us that allow us to spread our wings and become something. Never forget them. Family first. Biological or medaphorical, family is everything.


Aaawwww, you are an amazing writer.
I loved your posts.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 27, 2009, 11:14:36 PM
First of all, I thank God for everyone of these boards for all the love, the inspiration, and the faith that each one of you guys bring to the boards.  God has bless me to be here with all you lovely people.  MJ's love shines through beautiful lyrics that he writes.  I think of him every single day.  My Lord Jesus Christ, and my raven-haired angel, MJ, are my inspiration to spread love in this world.

This is a fab post.  Jermaine, thank you for standing up for Michael. I hate what people did to MJ.  He is God's ray of sunshine in my life that keeps me going.  God bless of you lovely people here.  Keep the Faith and the Love going!  :D
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 28, 2009, 10:55:52 AM
Oh my goodness!....Oh my goodness! I am about to cry this post. Was beautiful. Hadn't heard the video that Jermaine spoke yet.  Reading the post were beautiful. Oh Lord!! First it was raining on my bday, now I am just about to tear up now!  :)

hesouttamylife,

That was a beautiful letter.

Jacksonologist,

Beautiful!

Really, all of it was!!

Ok, I got to get it together now!!  :D

Ok, I am I am going to watch the video.


Taking a deep breath.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 28, 2009, 10:59:56 AM
Darkchild:

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First of all, I thank God for everyone of these boards for all the love, the inspiration, and the faith that each one of you guys bring to the boards. God has bless me to be here with all you lovely people. MJ's love shines through beautiful lyrics that he writes. I think of him every single day. My Lord Jesus Christ, and my raven-haired angel, MJ, are my inspiration to spread love in this world.

Yes! I must give my Lord all the glory and praise! It's without Him we wouldn't have the gifts and talents that he put in us to make this world beautiful. :D
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 28, 2009, 08:17:05 PM
This is proof, but I think even if Michael really were dead, Jermaine would have announced that. It's amazing that people are realizing how great Michael really is. And all of those old MJ fans who hate the new MJ fans need get over it! Would they rather have the new MJ fans be haters? It's a wonderful thing, and I think MJ has earned a lot more respect then he has had the past few years. And the best thing about it is he's still here to see that.  :D
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 29, 2009, 10:33:12 PM
YOUAREMYLIFEMJ : And the best thing about it is he's still here to see that.

Definitely splendid ;)
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 29, 2009, 10:47:07 PM
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First of all, I thank God for everyone of these boards for all the love, the inspiration, and the faith that each one of you guys bring to the boards.  God has bless me to be here with all you lovely people.  MJ's love shines through beautiful lyrics that he writes.  I think of him every single day.  My Lord Jesus Christ, and my raven-haired angel, MJ, are my inspiration to spread love in this world.

This is a fab post.  Jermaine, thank you for standing up for Michael. I hate what people did to MJ.  He is God's ray of sunshine in my life that keeps me going.  God bless of you lovely people here.  Keep the Faith and the Love going!  :D

beautiful words! i hate what people did to mj too... he is a ray of light for me too... i never believe that he was in that ambulance that day... I KEEP THE FAITH AND THE LOVE GOING LIKE YOU SAID!!!
WE LOVE YOU MIKE!!!
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 30, 2009, 09:52:15 PM
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This reminds of a thing Joe said in an interview. He was asked about the abbuse issue. He said something along the lines of Michael being still alive because of the displinairy way he raised the kids..and that the people Michael grew up with were no longer alive... :?  I was thinking..Uhmm Isn't Michael not one of those people that isn't with us anymore (for the non-believers anyway). Just another Joe slip up I guess.  :D

i remember this also....he said he he hadnt been the way he was mike would have been on drugs or dead :mrgreen: that was when i thought he was dead and i was like wtf he was both...lol but now i see....

and i also dont think joe was the best dad ever but all his kids are alive, successful and all of there kids are doing good from what i understand...i honestly think joe did the best he knew how...he scared them strait....now things like scaring them and the mask through the window shit was 2 much but he knew he didnt want his kids in the streets and there not
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: November 30, 2009, 10:05:58 PM
I also believe this is about showing the world the man we never knew...my brother is 17, his whole life mike has been " wacko jacko" this and that so he never got to experiance him the way i did...and mike has too much pride to go out like that...i personally believe after the first accusations he started to feed into the rumors for the purpose of the hoax. The media made him a joke and there is nothing funny about what he has went through..i remember crying months ago thinking about how if would feel, being black, and having vitiligo..not just physical but mentally...having lupus, my dad died when he was 19 years old from lupus, horrible acne, i have acne and there days i dont want to work let alone if the world was watching me. but not just the physical but being accused of such horrible things, being called wacko jacko and all that other crap..basicly being treated like shit for no reason..Mike is going to make sure that the books tell HIStory and not the story they wanted to tell about him and im with him 1000000% words cant describe how strong he is because i would have probly killed myself years ago...honestly
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 01, 2009, 05:16:38 PM
Please feel free to join the MJHF chatroom, we will continue the investigation becuase we all know he is alive, just becuase mjhd is dead we are not.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 01, 2009, 05:27:35 PM
I love all of your posts, they are incredible to say the least. I also believe MJ was chosen, he was put on this earth to try and teach us, entertain us and make us better people. He is one of a kind.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 01, 2009, 07:57:30 PM
Okay. So you're basically saying one of these two things:
Michael hoaxed his death and had Jordan's father killed, made it look like a sucide so he could clear his name
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Michael hoaxed his death hoping that Jordan's father would feel gulity enough to kill himself so Michael could clear his name.

My thoughts:
First, not everyone knows that Jordan's father killed himself. Oddly enough, it did not get as much press as I thought it would. Second, I am about 50/50 that Michael hoaxed his death (although I am leaning more towards hoax) but I don't think Michael hoaxed his death to clear his name. We would have seen more "clues" towards that direction, not to mention I don't think Michael would have someone killed or would do something in hopes that this person may feel "guilty" and kill themselves. Third, I don't know what was going on in Jordan's father's head, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that he killed himself because of guilt. (I hate when some of you guys say that with so much confidence) If he felt gulity, then he would of not gone as far as he did in the first place. Or at the very least, he would have killed himself a long time ago, BEFORE Michael died. Jordan's father was just being as he had always been, selfish. He made Michael's life hell, while he lived on easy street, with people actually feeling sorry for him. As far as this being "proof" that Michael was innocent? Try telling that to the people who know about this news and happen to think that Michael was gulity. To them, this confirms that Michael was gulity. As one poster said on Youtube, "Poor man. I guess he didn't want to live in a world that praises a pedophile as a hero." While I do believe with my very being that Michael is or was innocent, this "proof" can obviously go both ways for some people. And finally, the fact that Jermaine would go and yammer his ugly mouth off like that, is evidence that he is just a dumbass, a user, and someone that cannot be trusted. He is one of the main reasons why I have my doubts that this is a hoax. It is obvious that he is just using Michael and trying to have his moment in the spotlight by appointed himself as the man who will uphold his brother's "legacy." So, to keep it short, this is NOT the best evidence yet. It is not even evidence. Sorry, but no cigar.  :roll:
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 02, 2009, 04:37:19 AM
How is this evidence? Just the fact the dad killed himself out of guilt (supposedly)?

Or did I miss another clue in there?
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 02, 2009, 10:58:28 PM
These are my thoughts :
 

                                              A FAMILY

Writing this truly breaks my heart,
The tendency to inevitably fall apart,
These thoughts are crowding in my mind,
Can't keep me silent, just pondering in the night.

Of how much caring did Michael receive,
From those people who make him believe,
The importance of who he is,
To them is just the common business deal.

With so much caring he willingly gives,
Being led to people who are thieves,
He kept going with those doubts in his mind,
But there are still people who were taught to be kind.

They don't care if it will cost him his pride,
The dignity maligned is just to prime,
The more feasible sense for the future,
Where security holds steady at their doors.

He knows that his family takes from him,
The value of his talents that he brings,
Understanding their whims and schemes,
On a pedestal his humility puts him..

They haven't learned from the stories Michael has told,
To people the truth to behold,
They're so dense to people who can sense,
Their control is never benevolent.

I hurt with the knowledge about them,
Taking advantage of his love and selflessnes,
They're always feeding on their egos,
The word FAMILY is a good justification of their shoes.

Unfair when they show such false face,
Of the value they give to each other,
They hide and ride on Michael's fame,
All dressed up for the merriment is so lame.

We all know that a family is important,
But to use as an excuse for abuse,
Is prevalent among those who are decadent,
The main reason why some feels forlorn.

Through all these, Michael knows he can't resist,
Their endless persistence brings to light at a glance,
To become a better person from who they are,
Will be the guidance to deal with others on a better ground.

J U L I E T ***
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 05, 2009, 12:49:48 PM
It's too bad that some users call themselves "old" fans, while others are "new".  If there was one thing that Michael Jackson truly accomplished in his years on this Earth, it was his power to bring love and people together, of all ages.  I am an "old" fan, and I love the fact that MJ has several whole new generations of fans that truly know just how spectacular he really was.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 05, 2009, 01:22:29 PM
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This is proof, but I think even if Michael really were dead, Jermaine would have announced that. It's amazing that people are realizing how great Michael really is. And all of those old MJ fans who hate the new MJ fans need get over it! Would they rather have the new MJ fans be haters? It's a wonderful thing, and I think MJ has earned a lot more respect then he has had the past few years. And the best thing about it is he's still here to see that.  :D

Well not to condone it or anything but a lot of fans have fought for years to get the general public to see what a great person Michael really is. And nobody wanted to listen.They fought against the media and everything. Now that he is ''dead'' all of a sudden people realize how great he is. Which is great but I could see why some people can't help but feel a little bitter by it. I have to admit I felt like that for a while too. I remember like a year a go people would tell me why do you like that freak? and more of that nature..
Now I'm just happy to see so many people finally see what I have seen in him for several years  :) The more the better.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 06, 2009, 09:43:34 AM
Bec and Souza, beautiful posts thank you.
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 06, 2009, 01:30:42 PM
thanks thanks thanks once more with this feeling and which I miss MJ so much, again so a mad confirmation here is to be exhibited so by many things gone through and I soon hope that the people will really see who he was real and how he: bright of the world and the most godlike most loving nature under all to us people!
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 07, 2009, 01:22:01 PM
I congratulate Bec, Souza, The Jacksonnlogist and Hesouttamylife for their very good post, I really did not think that in America there are many social confilctos, the image that we sell is the "world's most perfect democracy," and that these things only happen in the barrios of Latin America.
Sap from very humble beginnings of Jackson, but did not know such a dangerous environment in which they lived. The truth MJ's life was never easy since childhood and later as an adult.
For years the media handed what I call "the most brutal beating and immoral" against anyone who has seen some, called pedophiles and crazy among other things, and they did great damage despite being acquitted, yet I I've talked to people who think that MJ was acquitted of charges of child abuse that had a lot of money.
Michael Jackson arrived where a black man ever entered. A black man without formal education becomes the most powerful man in the industry, despite the hatred and racism and the media.
Some people believe that MJ is a fragile and manipulable man, I believe there is a very intelligent man, a businessman who can not be manipulated, who knows a lot.
Racism and discrimination are everywhere, although there is racism here is not created, there is a grotesque racism, is low profile and very sneaky. "Like in a country where the majority are metiz?, Where everyone is a mixture of Indian, black with the immigration of Spanish (as in my case), Italian and Portuguese. In recent days I saw a documentary of an independent production company who spoke of raicsmo and discrimination in a noctunes centers, shopping centers east of Caracas. If you are fat, black or indigenous features has not allowed entry, invoking the "reserves the right of admission
I went to these nightclubs, with a few black friends, as well as other friends of Spanish descent (white and blond traits), and indeed, highly trained goalkeepers made excuses saying that my friends could not go by that they had proper clothing and was not by the color of their skin, but my friends and I were allowed entry even though we were dressed the same way.
Much of the racism he says, comments like these, there is no racism in Venezuela, all are welcome here, we are not like the Americans, who if they have marked differences, because our reality is clearly different from other countries suffering major ethnic conflicts. Think about it, do you know people who freely use the word black to describe someone (I'm doing). Often inplicacion is clear in the collective subconscious is recording the idea that being black is bad, worthless and undesirable, therefore describe someone using the word black is equal to offend.
If in their minds, conscious or unconscious, is convinced that is negative to be black, white, Indian, Jewish or belonging to any particular ethnic group, by definition, we are witnessing a racist. In reality the sum of Tiny things seemingly harmless, such as jokes, teasing and other expressions, are based on the premise that being (insert your race) is negative and undesirable. Therefore it is fueling the violation of a fundamental human right, non-racialism

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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 07, 2009, 06:21:36 PM
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It's funny you are talking about this because I have always believed that Michael's childhood was pre-ordained.  This is an excerpt from a letter I sent to Mrs. Jackson on Michael's birthday.

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..."Thinking about Michael’s childhood, I am reminded that he came from a family of nine children of which he was number seven.  Nine children were raised in a two-bedroom house.  But under that roof were children who possessed talents.  There were children in that house who were obedient.  There were children in that house who had spiritual guidance.  And in that special house with those special children lived one little boy for whom God had special plans. The one who would break the barriers, take the lead, change the world.  It was ordained.  The others would go on about their lives as wonderfully, fulfilled adults.  But one would go on alone, to do extraordinary things.   That one was Michael.  From the beginning it was obvious that his gifts were plenty.   The Bible sates that a child shall lead them.  Michael became a global leader.

People like to say that Michael’s childhood was scarred.  But I believe Michael was positioned in the right family at the right place at the right time to do as a conditioning for the work to be done.  Obedience and resilience is tantamount to greatness.  He didn’t have a childhood for a reason, because God had other plans for him.  How special is one who is forced to live his entire life as a virtual recluse, and still become the greatest, most revered human being in all the four corners of the earth?  How blessed is the one who when faced with these circumstances still has the strength and the courage the ability the will and the knowledge to conquer all that is necessary to build his own world inside a world of which he has never been a normal participant?  How rare is one who’s gifts afford him the opportunity to speak it and it be done?  That’s God’s work?  How gifted!  How marvelous!  Michael’s path in life was pre-destined long before he was born.  He was chosen.  Nothing of that magnitude happens by chance.  He was destined to do great things.  He was in his element when he was being creative.  He found solace in giving of himself all that he had gained from that creativity..."

Beautifully well said, we all have a purpose, and I always knew Michael was chosen
he has multiples on top of multiples of gifts, that God gave Him, but I feel that there is still more for him to do, and if he's not with us anymore, what he left behind will continue you on for years to come, there will never be another MJ, but there will be somebody else that God is gonna raise up! There will be many!
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

  • on: December 07, 2009, 06:43:26 PM
Quote from: "looking4truth"
I do want to say that I like this thread and I do agree with most of what everyone said but I just wanted to point some things out.

- I am not sure how the neighborhood in Gary, Indiana is. It is probably not the safest neighborhood. However, and I am not trying to offend anyone, that does not mean that it is a really bad neighborhood 24/7. I am very touchy on this subject because I grew up in a neighborhood that a lot of people would consider "unsafe" where in fact, it's not that bad at all. However, if someone were to drive by it at night, he or she may be scared, depending on who's out and what's going on and what prejudgments a person may have coming into the neighborhood. And it shows you how much the media can affect the way we perceive certain neighborhoods and certain groups of people. (I am not saying that this is what bec is doing at all but I want to make this point in general.) Typically, the news plays this up really well. They'll go on and on about all this crime happening in typically a low income neighborhood where the majority is usually Black but never report on the illegal activities that happen in the suburbs so there comes a mindset that the "ghetto"=to crime and mayhem and the suburbs=to safety and no crime when in reality, it's not that true. It's just that the crimes that happen in the suburbs do not get nearly as much airplay as the ones in the low income neighborhoods because they want to project a certain image of "minorities", especially Black people in America. And it almost becomes a perpetual cycle because some people in these low income neighborhoods begin to believe the image that is being projected and begin to feel powerless and hopeless when in fact, we are all VERY POWERFUL. We can all have the magnitude of greatness as MJ, even greater if we truly believe in our own power, which leads me to my next point.  

- Michael is an extremely gifted artist. He was born with the musical gift that many would die to have. And those gifts came from God. However, I don't think it's fair to ourselves to say that he is a gift from God because he lived such a public life. We are all gifts from God. And we all have innate gifts that we were born to have and we all grow up in families that could possibly help bring out those gifts if we choose to. It's just that some of our gifts are not meant to be as public and that's okay. We are all special and vital to this society that we live in. I think the problem, in general, is that we limit ourselves by putting someone else on a pedestal. And I remember a posting that "BACK" (who some people perceive to be MJ or someone in the know)  had in regards to if there were any famous people on the board (MJJC) and he said "Everyone here is famous because they are all well known to somebody." (You can view it HERE: http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/729/ ... onmjjc.jpg)  And I just loved that because it is so true. We are all human and we are all special.

And that is my speech for the day.  :lol:

Oh and I just saw the video clip. I love it. I wish I could see the whole speech. Maybe someone else will have it hopefully.

OMG! I wanted to grab a collection plate on this, I agree with you about the neighborhoods, the media portrays all the bad stuff when it comes to us, I live in a town that is predominantly black and when you hear something criminal it's like big news here, caue mostly nothing ever happens here and it's a poor town, I live in what they call the projects and it be soo quiet most days I wanna scream, mostly all you hear are kids, I know a lady who stays in Detroit and she says it's not bad as people think it is, I have a friend in Gary Indiana, and she says she's bored all the time, yes there are some bad places, but that doesn't mean it's just from Black people either!
But that's what the media wants people to think!
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Re: ***breaking news*** best evidence yet

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