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February 24, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
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Okay ready for some silliness...

My completely bonkers take on the red shirt.  

I think maybe we are over thinking the 777. Could it be that the 777 is actually just a reference to the 777's like in Vegas? I mean Vegas has to have some kind of meaning in this story since Dr. Murray and MJ himself are connected to it.  So 777= casino.  Okay, now on to the winged lion. The winged lion is a symbol of St. Mark the evangelist and also Venice, Italy (hence St. Mark's square). There is a Venetician Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. Following so far? Okay, St. Mark's feast is on April 25th. On April 25, 2010 scheduled at the Venetician Hotel is the Blue Man Group. Remember the little green man from WATW? For one night only at the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas... it's the Green Man Group featuring MJ!  Hey, it could happen!  :lol:

Call the men in the little white coats! I've finally gone 'round the bend.   :lol:  I'm just going to go ahead and apologize now. Sorry folks.

Didn't MJ stay at the Venetian when he was in Vegas.....he rented out an entire floor (it was at the time of the Bashir interviews)?????  Your line of thinking is highly plausible!!!
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February 24, 2010, 09:51:14 PM
You have got me curious now about Vegas. I think I will go there and look for MJ!  Hope I find him!
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February 25, 2010, 12:10:31 AM
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Okay ready for some silliness...

My completely bonkers take on the red shirt.  

I think maybe we are over thinking the 777. Could it be that the 777 is actually just a reference to the 777's like in Vegas? I mean Vegas has to have some kind of meaning in this story since Dr. Murray and MJ himself are connected to it.  So 777= casino.  Okay, now on to the winged lion. The winged lion is a symbol of St. Mark the evangelist and also Venice, Italy (hence St. Mark's square). There is a Venetician Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas. Following so far? Okay, St. Mark's feast is on April 25th. On April 25, 2010 scheduled at the Venetician Hotel is the Blue Man Group. Remember the little green man from WATW? For one night only at the Venetian Hotel in Las Vegas... it's the Green Man Group featuring MJ!  Hey, it could happen!  :lol:

Call the men in the little white coats! I've finally gone 'round the bend.   :lol:  I'm just going to go ahead and apologize now. Sorry folks.

Didn't MJ stay at the Venetian when he was in Vegas.....he rented out an entire floor (it was at the time of the Bashir interviews)?????  Your line of thinking is highly plausible!!!

Well thank you for humoring me! I guess some of it COULD have merit, maybe not the Green Man Group (lol), but some. (Though that little green man does remind me a little of the Blue Man people, lol)

It IS highly plausible for the winged lion to represent Venice or maybe just Italy. (I have heard rumors involving Italy- though nothing of substance.) And the 777 could have something to do with Vegas. Also, April 25, 2010 could be just as relevant as any other date. It could be written as 25 April, 2010...2+5=7 and 4+2+0+1+0=7 thus 77, so you do have your 7's.

Well it might be something new to look at to keep us busy... til he gets back. He better hurry before I completely lose it.  :lol:
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February 25, 2010, 02:22:08 AM
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At 6:01 pm on April 4, 1968, the scene from the balcony of the Lorraine Motel where MLK Jr. was shot. He was in Memphis, Tenn. in support of the black sanitary public works employees. Do you remember all those trash cans?

ETA: Murray's court case is one day after the anniversary of MLK Jr. assassination. His court date is April 5. Coincidence or not?
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Once to every man and nation comes the moment to decide; In the strife of Truth with Falsehood, for the good or evil side.    

Needless to say nothing...... :geek:
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February 27, 2010, 10:16:07 AM
What do you guys know about this ? Credit to Su237 from lefora forum:

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This article is based on the work of a remarkable man. Dr. William Pepper is an attorney, author, and friend of Martin Luther King and his family. In February 1967 King had asked to meet a young man whose work as a journalist in Vietnam showed the terrible impact on the civilian population. King wept and never wavered in his opposition to the war. That young man was Bill Pepper. He became James Earl Ray's lawyer and assembled the evidence that exonerated Ray - some of which is described below.
Six-oh-one p.m., April 4th, 1968, Martin Luther King has been felled by a single shot.
In 1977 the family of Martin Luther King engaged an attorney and friend, Dr. William Pepper, to investigate a suspicion they had. They no longer believed that James Earl Ray was the killer. For their peace of mind, for an accurate record of history, and out of a sense of justice they conducted a two decade long investigation. The evidence they uncovered was put before a jury in Memphis, TN, in November 1999. 70 witnesses testified under oath, 4,000 pages of transcripts described the evidence, much of it new. It took the jury 59 minutes to come back with their decision that Loyd Jowers, owner of Jim's Grill, had participated in a conspiracy to kill King, a conspiracy that included J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, Richard Helms and the CIA, the military, the Memphis Police Department (MPD), and organized crime. That verdict exonerated James Earl Ray who had already died in prison.
The news of the verdict, in one of the most important national security trials in modern history, was suppressed. And to this day - with very, very few exceptions - the public does not know that this trial took place and what the outcome was.
William Pepper's 2003 book, An Act of State, The Execution of Martin Luther King, published by Verso, gave a detailed report of the trial. The book was systematically ignored. Pepper said in February 2003 that he had been personally turned down by reviewers for major media. They did not want to put their jobs and reputation on the line.
The New York Times refers to Pepper's work as "nonsense" in the context of their favorable reviews of Gerald Posner's book on the King assassination, Killing the Dream. Richard Bernstein praised Posner for stating once and for all that: "James Earl Ray murdered the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr."
In a new attempt to break the silence Verso has just issued An Act of State in paperback. Also, for the first time, parts of the never before seen video record of the 1999 trial are being released on Youtube.
What was so dangerous about the 1999 Memphis trial that it had to be suppressed? The evidence presented - under oath and on the record - made it abundantly clear that the reports of the 1997 House Select Committee on Assassinations, of the Civil Rights Commission appointed by Clinton's AG Janet Reno, and the New York Times were all wrong. James Earl Ray did not murder King.
With the guilty verdict for Loyd Jowers the jury came closer than anybody before to the identity of the real killer. Jower's actions in preparation of the assassination and on the day itself, together with the testimony from witnesses who had never been heard before, allowed a minute by minute reconstruction of how and why the crime was committed.
Apparently nobody, not the Mafia, the Memphis Police, the FBI, the CIA, or the Army Military Intelligence teams were taking any chances. If the Mafia contract had not succeeded, someone else was prepared to kill King. When King stepped out on that balcony at the Lorraine Motel he did not know that he was under complete surveillance and that more than one gun was aimed at him.
On December 8, 1999, Dr. William Pepper made his closing statement to the jury in Memphis. Martin Luther King, he said, had become more than a civil rights organizer, and more even than a voice against the war on Vietnam. Pepper explained why King had become so dangerous to the ruling powers that a decision was taken at the highest level that he was not to leave Memphis alive.
Pepper said:
I put it to you that his opposition to that war had little to do with ideology, with capitalism, with democracy. It had to do with money. It had to do with huge amounts of money that that war was generating to large multinational corporations that were based in the United States.
When he threatened to bring that war to a close through massive popular opposition, he was threatening the bottom lines of some of the largest construction companies, one of which was in the State of Texas, that patronized the Presidency of Lyndon Johnson and had the major construction contracts at Cam Ranh Bay in Vietnam. (Brown and Root was the contractor for the dredging of Cam Ranh Bay - M.G.) This is what Martin King was challenging. He was challenging the weapons industry, the hardware, the armament industries, that all would lose as a result of the end of the war.
The second aspect of his work that also dealt with money that caused a great deal of consternation in the circles of power in this land had to do with his commitment to take a massive group of people to Washington and there to encamp them in the shadow of the Washington memorial for as long as it took. For as long as it took, they would make daily trips to the halls of Congress and they would try to compel the Congress to act, as they had previously acted in terms of civil rights legislation, now to act in terms of social legislation.
Now, he begins to talk about a redistribution of wealth, in this the wealthiest country in the world that had such a large group of poor people, of people living then and now, by the way, in poverty. That problem had to be addressed. And it wasn't a black-and-white problem. This was a problem that dealt with Hispanics, and it dealt with poor whites as well. That is what he was taking on. That's what he was challenging.
The powers in this land believed he would not be successful. Why did they believe that? They believed that because they knew that the decision-making processes in the United States had by that point in time, and today it is much worse in my view, but by that point in time had so consolidated power that they were the representatives, the foot soldiers, of the very economic interests who were going to suffer as a result of these times of changes. So the very powerful lobbying forces that put their people in the halls of Congress and indeed in the White House itself and controlled them, paid and bought them and controlled them, were certainly not going to agree to the type of social legislation that Martin King and his mass of humanity were going to require.
So there was a fear. What happens when they are frustrated? What happens when they don't get any satisfaction? What would happen? They feared, the military feared, that there would be a violent rebellion in the nation's capital. And they didn't have the troops that could contain half a million angry poor alienated Americans. They didn't have the troops. Westmoreland wanted another two hundred thousand in Vietnam. They didn't have them to give to him. They didn't have them.
They were afraid that what Mr. Jefferson had urged many, many times, that the body politic can only be cleansed by a revolution every twenty years. They were afraid that Mr. Jefferson would be listened to and that that revolution would take place.
Because of that, those factors, Martin King was not going to be allowed to bring that group of people to Washington.
Dr. William Pepper, continuing his closing argument, went on to address the planning of the King murder, pieced together by his personal decade long research as well as from the 13 volumes of background material that accompanied the 1997 House Select Committee on Assassinations Report. On those pages Pepper found much evidence that contradicted the official findings, including a detailed history of the FBI surveillance of King and the infiltration of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, and the Civil Rights movement.
In December of 1963, less than a month after the Kennedy assassination, FBI officials met in Washington to explore ways to "neutralize King as an effective Negro leader". In spite of that material in their files the House Select Committee declared that the FBI plaid no role in the assassination.
Looking back at the way in which Pepper summarized the evidence collected throughout the trial it becomes obvious how carefully crafted his legal approach was. Loyd Jowers was the defendant and, having been personally so close to the assassination, he was an extremely valuable witness. But his actions, the physical location of his bar and grill, adjacent to the brushy area across from the Lorraine Motel, were only a small part of a much larger picture, in the words of Pepper the wider conspiracy to kill King.
Then, as now, the onus that the right as well as the left puts on the word "conspiracy" has to be taken into account. Pepper, in his explanation to the jury, took back that word and gave it its proper legal and historic meaning. He asked the jury to find that this "constituted conspiracy, legally civil conspiracy under the law."
Pepper developed for the jury the string of "coincidences" that constitute conspiracy, a chain of evidence backed up by 70 witnesses. All of it can be looked up in detail on 4,000 pages of transcripts or in his book, An Act of State. Here are just a few questions and examples:
The case against defendant Loyd Jowers was the best documented, partly by Jowers' own admission. Jowers testified that he was asked by Mafia- connected produce dealer Frank Liberto to help in the murder of King. He received money and a gun to hold.
Three witnesses took the stand and corroborated Liberto's involvement. John McFerren told the jury that, on the afternoon of the assassination, he heard Liberto shout into the phone "Shoot the son-of-a-bitch when he comes on the balcony." Liberto told Mrs. Lavada Addison, "I arranged to have Martin Luther King killed." Addison's son, Nathan, confirmed his remark.
However the Mafia plan would not have succeeded if it had not been for the involvement of many others: Why did King end up in the Lorraine Motel where he had never stayed before? Who made him change his room from a secluded ground floor room to the second floor balcony space? Who ordered MPD Captain Jerry Williams, who normally formed a security unit of black officers when King came to Memphis, not to form a bodyguard this time?
Across from the Lorraine Motel was Fire Station no. 2. Who ordered the only two black firefighters not to show up to work that day? Floyd E. Newsum was later told the order came from the MPD. Norvell E. Wallace was told his life had been threatened and he needed to stay home.
On the morning of the assassination Carthel Weeden, captain of Fire Station no. 2, testified that he was approached by two U. S. Army officers carrying briefcases who indicated they had cameras and wanted the roof of the station for a lookout on the Lorraine Motel. They left after the assassination.
Members of the Army's 111th Military Intelligence Group, based at Fort McPherson in Atlanta, Georgia, had come to Memphis and were keeping King under 24 hour a day surveillance. MPD intelligence office Eli Arkin testified at the trial that they worked out of his office.
About 10 minutes before the assassination of King, Guy Canipe, owner of the Canipe Amusement Company, observed a bundle being dropped in the Main Street doorway of his company, one block from the Lorraine. The bundle consisted of a 30.06 Remington Gamemaster rifle and unfired bullets - the rifle James Earl Ray was supposed to have used for the assassination.
Loyd Jowers testified that immediately after the killing, MPD Lieutenant Earl Clark, now deceased, came out of the brushy area and gave him a smoking rifle at the rear door of his restaurant, Jim's Grill. Jowers did not see who killed King, but claimed it was Clark, the MPD's best marksman.
Criminal Court Judge Joe Brown, who later presided over two years of hearings into the evidence, stated, "It is my opinion that this is not the murder weapon 67% of bullets from my tests did not match the Ray rifle" The rifle's scope had not been sited; therefore the Remington from Canipe's door could not have been properly aimed.
Several witnesses at the 1999 trial testified that they saw two men running away from the brushy area, one burning tires as he drove away in a green 1965 Chevrolet past a police car that took no notice, another getting into a police car and being driven away. Nevertheless, the official story has always been that nobody shot from the bushes but that James Earl Ray fired from a bathroom window of the rooming house.
Why then did Maynard Stiles, a senior official in Memphis Sanitation Department, receive a call from MPD Inspector Sam Evans at 7 am on the morning after the assassination "requiring assistance clearing brush and debris from a vacant lot near the site of the assassination." Stiles assembled a crew and cleaned the site under the direction of the police department.
This is just part of the evidence covered by the 1999 trial. Much of it had been assembled to be presented in the trial that James Earl Ray fought to have for almost 30 years. Given the nature of the evidence it is not surprising that it was never allowed to take place.
The major media and most authors have perpetuated the myth that James Earl Ray confessed. William Pepper, who represented Ray until he died, says that Ray pleaded guilty on advice of his lawyer who told him that this would be the best avenue for a trial - but that Ray never confessed.
There were several attempts to bribe Ray into a confession. One of Ray's lawyers, Jack Kershaw, was asked by a publishing company to offer Ray $50,000, parole and a new life if he finally confessed. Ray refused. Ray's brother Jerry was contacted with the same offer with a higher monetary amount ($200,000). Ray, again, refused.
Just before Ray's death MPD officer Tim Cook, in the presence of William Pepper, leaned heavily on Ray to admit his guilt. He promised Ray that in return he would be released and could die surrounded by his family. Ray refused and died alone on April 23, 1998.
One year and 8 months after his death a jury listened to the closing statement of Ray's former lawyer, William Pepper, testing the evidence that should have freed Ray.
Pepper's closing words were:
Let me close by saying to you that long after people forget what has been said in this courtroom, all the words that you've heard from witnesses and lawyers, and long after they have forgotten about accounts that they have read about this case, they are going to remember what was done here. They are going to remember what action you took, what decision you came to.
You have got to understand the monumental importance of your decision. (The public) are going to forget everything I said, everything defense counsel has said, everything the witnesses have said. They are going to remember one thing, the ruling of this jury, the verdict of this jury because you have heard evidence that has never before been put on in a court of law.
That is why your decision at this point in time is the most significant decision that will have been taken in thirty-one years in terms of this case. Please don't underestimate the importance of it.
In our view, what has happened in this case, the injustice that has happened in this case is representative of the failure that symbolizes to me the failure of representative democracy in this country. Isn't it amazing that one could say that over a simple murder case? But when you look at the wealth of evidence that has come forward and you understand how this case has been conducted and you understand how it has been covered up, and when you see how unresponsive elected officials and government have been and how complicit they have been, you can come to no other choice.
Governmental agencies caused Martin Luther King to be assassinated. They used other foot soldiers. They caused this whole thing to happen. And they then proceeded with the powerful means at their disposal to cover this case up.
You know, these things do not happen as a rule without the involvement of other people and in this case, this type of murder, without the involvement of seriously prominent individuals in government. So it is in my view a failure of democracy and this Republic that it has not been able to bring this forward.
What we're asking you to do at this point in time is send a message. We're asking you to send a message, not just right a wrong. That's important, that you right a wrong and that you allow justice to prevail once and for all. Let it prevail.
But in addition to that, we're asking you to send a message, send a message to all of those in power, all of those who manipulate justice in this country that you cannot get away with this. Or if you can get away with it, you can only get away with it for so long.
Send that message. You, you twelve, represent the American people. You are their representatives with respect to justice in this case. They cannot be here. The media will keep the truth from them forever. You represent the people of this land. You must speak for them.
You have this duty to yourselves, this obligation to your fellow citizens, and you have an opportunity to act in a most significant way that perhaps you can ever imagine, because your verdict of conspiracy in this case, your verdict of liability for the defendant and his other co-conspirators, means history is rewritten, means textbooks have to be rewritten, means the actual result of this case and the truth of this case now must come forward formally.
On behalf of the family of Martin Luther King, Jr., on behalf of the people of the United States, I ask you to find for the plaintiff and find that conspiracy existed and that those conspirators involved not only the defendant here but we're dealing in conspiracy with agents of the City of Memphis and the governments of the State of Tennessee and the United States of America.
We ask you to find that conspiracy existed and once and for all give this plaintiff family justice and let's cleanse this city and this nation of the ignorance that has pervaded this case for so long.
After less than an hour the jury returned with the verdict, read by Judge James E. Swearengen.
THE COURT: In answer to the question did Loyd Jowers participate in a conspiracy to do harm to Dr. Martin Luther King, your answer is yes. Do you also find that others, including governmental agencies, were parties to this conspiracy as alleged by the defendant? Your answer to that one is also yes.
Memphis, TN, December 8, 1999.
Their verdict finally lifted responsibility for the murder from James Earl Ray and should have opened the investigation of organized crime, the FBI, the CIA, the military, and the Memphis Police Department.
Postscripts:
1. Given all the new evidence presented in the trial, the King family approached President Bill Clinton and asked for a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Clinton refused and turned the matter over to AG Janet Reno who appointed a civil rights commission.
In June 2000 the United States Department of Justice published their conclusion that quote: "the trial's evidence fails to establish the existence of any conspiracy to kill Dr. King we found no credible evidence to disturb past judicial determinations that James Earl Ray killed Dr. King."
2. In February 2008 news from New York: Dr. Pepper makes the case for the NYC 911 Ballot Initiative and the re-investigation of 9/11 by an independent citizens commission.
Sources:
The transcripts of 1999 Memphis trial.
The video of major parts of the court proceedings on Youtube can be reached via the following site.
The audio recording of Pepper's closing argument
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February 27, 2010, 10:20:12 AM
And also from Su:
those men pointing to the roof do remind you about something?
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February 27, 2010, 11:56:33 AM
ralu, the U.S. government lied to the present day and continues to lie about all this. :geek:
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 AMA-Gi is the phonetic transcription of the first written record that is known of the word "Freedom", written in Cuneiform, characters according to a Tablet found in the Sumerian city of Lagash clay, dating feature 2,300 BC approximately
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I feel so extraordinary
Something's got a hold on me
I get this feeling I'm in motion

A sudden sense of liberty
I don't care 'cause I'm not there
And I don't care if I'm here tomorrow
Again and again I've taken too much
Of the things that cost you too much

I used to think that the day would never come
I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun
My morning sun is the drug that brings me near
To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear
I used to think that the day would never come
That my life would depend on the morning sun...

When I was a very small boy,
Very small boys talked to me
Now that we've grown up together
They're afraid of what they see
That's the price that we all pay
Our valued destiny comes to nothing
I can't tell you where we're going
I guess there was just no way of knowing

I used to think that the day would never come
I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun
My morning sun is the drug that brings me near
To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear
I used to think that the day would never come
That my life would depend on the morning sun...

I feel so extraordinary
Something's got a hold on me
I get this feeling I'm in motion
A sudden sense of liberty
The chances are we've gone too far
You took my time and you took my money
Now I fear you've left me standing
In a world that's so demanding

I used to think that the day would never come
I'd see delight in the shade of the morning sun
My morning sun is the drug that brings me near
To the childhood I lost, replaced by fear
I used to think that the day would never come
That my life would depend on the morning sun...
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Is the first time TIAI posts to this hour?! You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
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OGNI GIORNO DI PIU\', MI CONVINCO CHE LO SPERPERO DELLA NOSTRA ESISTENZA RISIEDE NELL\'AMORE CHE NON ABBIAMO DONATO. L\'AMORE CHE DONIAMO E\' LA SOLA RICCHEZZA CHE CONSERVEREMO PER L\'ETERNITA\'. "Gustavo Rol"

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March 04, 2010, 05:43:29 PM
Waiting On A Friend

Watching girls go passing by
It ain't the latest thing
I'm just standing in a doorway
I'm just trying to make some sense
Out of these girls go passing by
The tales they tell of men
I'm not waiting on a lady
I'm just waiting on a friend

A smile relieves a heart that grieves
Remember what I said
I'm not waiting on a lady
I'm just waiting on a friend
I'm just waiting on a friend

Don't need a whore
I don't need no booze
Don't need a virgin priest
But I need someone I can cry to
I need someone to protect
Making love and breaking hearts
It is a game for youth
But I'm not waiting on a lady
I'm just waiting on a friend    ;)
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Re: www.thisisalsoit.com
March 05, 2010, 02:43:02 AM
Happy one year ! 5 March since O2 press confer.

So today we have the return of V... I LOVE it ...

[youtube:2cu59dyw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thChiBDudSs[/youtube:2cu59dyw]
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