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Re: Conrad Murray releases video
June 19, 2014, 06:49:29 PM
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ummm not sure how to say this but is anyone else seeing murrays complexion as cleaner , brighter or just something different? like in the picks you can see dark areas on his face and here things seem smoother more blended. :suspect:

edit. well duh on me . it is my player speed that is the problem and now that i am paying attention murray doesn't seem any different.  ;D i know i had my afternoon coffee, perhaps i need more lol
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

Re: Conrad Murray releases video
June 20, 2014, 04:08:17 AM
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CNN again, I see!  We have the convergence of the 20th anniversary of the FAKE OJ murder trial, the 5th anniversary of Michael's death and CM's 'exclusive' with CNN.  IMHO, CNN is comparable to TMZ for being Michael's news outlet of choice. 

So we have two black men wrongly convicted (at least on TV) of two murders that never happened.  I listened briefly to CNN yesterday talk about the OJ trial and they mentioned OJ's 'acting' skills as he dramatically tried on the infamous glove that didn't fit!  They also mentioned that someone(s) made a ton of money on this 'first reality TV show' which had the entire country glued to the TV - in the daytime!  Someone also mentioned that cameras in the courtroom have only been used in Florida since the OJ trial, with the exception of the Conrad Murray trial.  I should also note that CNN has been the primary outlet for the Sterling story.

Not sure what to make of this all, but found it interesting.

Murray talking for hours  :icon_rolleyes: .......what a waste of time lol  :LolLolLolLol: !!!! Our old friend Don Lemon is back again talking about M.J.  :icon_geek: ..........
Gwynned it it just me or this Sterling  guy looks alot like Harvey Levin  :icon_eek:  :icon_cool: ??



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Re: Conrad Murray releases video
June 20, 2014, 04:45:28 AM
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Murray talking for hours  :icon_rolleyes: .......what a waste of time lol  :LolLolLolLol: !!!! Our old friend Don Lemon is back again talking about M.J.  :icon_geek: ..........
Gwynned it it just me or this Sterling  guy looks alot like Harvey Levin  :icon_eek:  :icon_cool: ??





If they are both supposed to be Sterling, they ain't the same guy.  VERY funny if that is indeed Levin.  Did a quick comparison, especially of his very upturned smile and I think you could be right!    :WTF:  SOMEone is having way too much fun.   :michael_jackson-1135:
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Re: Conrad Murray releases video
June 20, 2014, 05:07:42 AM
To Be, why do you say it's a waste of time?  Do you think that MJ is dead, that Murray deserved to go to jail for his part in the death and that he is now trying to wriggle his way out of a lasting blot on his copybook?  Or are you saying it's a waste of Murray's time trying to defend himself this late in the day?

I guess I'm the only one round here who believes Murray is key to everything - the official story has him being the only one who was there when MJ 'died'.  The reality of course may well be, in fact most probably is, very, very different. But any way you look at it, he's a critical part in all this, even if MJ really died, he took the rap for it, so he knows more than anyone what happened, and therefore deserves to be listened to, right?

What I don't understand yet is the timing and the circumstances of his communications - he had plenty of opportunity to speak up for himself openly and officially at the time of his trial, but always chose not to.  So IMO there has to be a good reason for his latest videos and for their release in this way, at this time.
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Re: Conrad Murray releases video
June 22, 2014, 05:34:16 AM
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I have to say I've been somewhat surprised at how little attention has been given to these latest videos from Murray, not just here but all around the net. Could be that people can't find 3 hours to watch them, or that their eyes glazed over at the sight of Shafer's graphs again, but I'm intrigued as to where, if anywhere, he's going with this, especially with so little exposure. It would appear he is out to highlight corruption in the justice system, a system that put him, an innocent man, in jail?

The final 5 or 10 minutes of his presentation could be MJ talking.

(Oh and he now says truth not troot!  And he refers to himself as Dr Murray, not I or me - as if he's talking about someone else/a character.)

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CNN again, I see!  We have the convergence of the 20th anniversary of the FAKE OJ murder trial, the 5th anniversary of Michael's death and CM's 'exclusive' with CNN.  IMHO, CNN is comparable to TMZ for being Michael's news outlet of choice. 

So we have two black men wrongly convicted (at least on TV) of two murders that never happened.  I listened briefly to CNN yesterday talk about the OJ trial and they mentioned OJ's 'acting' skills as he dramatically tried on the infamous glove that didn't fit!  They also mentioned that someone(s) made a ton of money on this 'first reality TV show' which had the entire country glued to the TV - in the daytime!  Someone also mentioned that cameras in the courtroom have only been used in Florida since the OJ trial, with the exception of the Conrad Murray trial.  I should also note that CNN has been the primary outlet for the Sterling story.
Hmm, all interesting, as per usual.
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Re: Conrad Murray releases video
June 24, 2014, 10:18:21 PM
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To Be, why do you say it's a waste of time?  Do you think that MJ is dead, that Murray deserved to go to jail for his part in the death and that he is now trying to wriggle his way out of a lasting blot on his copybook?  Or are you saying it's a waste of Murray's time trying to defend himself this late in the day?

I guess I'm the only one round here who believes Murray is key to everything - the official story has him being the only one who was there when MJ 'died'.  The reality of course may well be, in fact most probably is, very, very different. But any way you look at it, he's a critical part in all this, even if MJ really died, he took the rap for it, so he knows more than anyone what happened, and therefore deserves to be listened to, right?

What I don't understand yet is the timing and the circumstances of his communications - he had plenty of opportunity to speak up for himself openly and officially at the time of his trial, but always chose not to.  So IMO there has to be a good reason for his latest videos and for their release in this way, at this time.
it is interesting to me how he shows up from time to time. so if he is accusing them of railroading him wouldn't someone be likely to ask him to put up or shut up at some point?
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

Re: Conrad Murray releases video
September 11, 2014, 06:57:13 PM
curls was nice enough to direct me to this thread - thank you!

I was able to watch the videos and I did walk away knowing more than I did before I watched them, so I guess that's a good thing.

During the videos I did get the feeling this was about Michael and not only about the 2005 trial but his whole life.

The website is no longer available but I'll post the youtube links - the youtube account is actually Conrad Murray.

Here is what was on the website when you opened it:

DrConradMurrayTalks.Com

The purpose for releasing this video to the world is to highlight the injustices, deception, tampering with evidence, and obstruction of justice that occurred in the trial that led to my unjust conviction and incarceration, and above all it is to demonstrate my innocence.

Sounds like Michael, doesn't it?

I believe the videos were released on June 11th or 12th - Michael was found not guilty on June 13th. Coincidence?

Here is what I heard from the videos:

1.   Klein. The Demerol shot that had been given 3 days prior to June 25th was talked about. Murray stated that Michael was suffering on June 25th because of withdrawals he was going through (48 – 72 hours prior to his passing). Murray said he didn’t know Michael was going through withdrawals because Murray was unaware that Michael was a drug addict.

Now this is where you go hmmmmm. Murray stated that he had been giving Michael an infusion drip of propofol up to 3 days before June 25th and then stopped. That would have been the same time when the last Demerol shot was given.

Michael, according to Kleins records that were shown in court received other Demerol shots but nobody said how he acted on those days, only the 3 days prior to the 25th.

Murray brought up the point the Judge refused Klein, his nurse and the office manager from testifying. Again, why? Medical records are readily shown but won’t call the people who actually wrote them. Were the records from another time? Were they from years ago? Were they not Kleins? Klein said he was out of the country during some of the shots.

2.   Robert S. Markman. Who? Some of you may remember this guy. He gave his daughter Propofol for 5 years because she was in pain.

Murray went on to say that Dr. Schaffer said that propofol was not to be used in a home setting and bashed Murray for it. But yet Dr. Schaffer said it was ok for Markman to give his daughter propofol for pain. Propofol is not used for pain. It is to knock you out for surgery. Murray made sure he gave us the court #: 2012030549.

3.   Autopsy. The video talked about what is in the autopsy (my ears perked up on this!). Murray went over what the numbers meant in the brain (pay close attention to this), heart, and femoral artery.

As you know the defense tried to say that Michael killed himself. Well, Murray went step by step and explained things in a way that I actually understood. My head was spinning during the trial with all of that info, but our dear friend Murray was there to shed some light on this.

First, apnea can cause cardiac arrest and that is what was first stated as cause of death; Michael had suffered a cardiac arrest.

Murray kept talking about the damn test for the brain tissue and I kept talking right back to the computer screen, the brain was removed and placed in a container! I don’t think Murray heard me.

Then Murray said this:

It is unthinkable that the brain propofol concentration was never provided in the case by the coroner whose primary job is to speak for the dead.

It was further stated by Murray the result of the portion of the eye that had been tested was 0.04. That concentration is too low to have caused apnea. There was not enough propofol. But yet the autopsy says he died of acute propofol intoxication.
And keep in mind what Murray said: NO RESULTS WERE PUT IN THE AUTOPSY ABOUT THE PROPOFOL LEVEL IN THE BRAIN and THE CORONER SPEAKS FOR THE DEAD, SO THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN INCLUDED.  Oh wait, Michael isn’t dead.

4.   Phone calls. It was pointed out that Dr. Schaffer believed Murray gave Michael a drip when Murray kept saying that he didn’t. This means Murray should have been monitoring Michael at the time the cardiac arrest happened according to Schaffer.
Murray provided a chart showing what was testified to in court by Schaffer, Rogers, White and Cooper on what they thought the time would be where the propofol would have left the body and the patient wouldn’t be in any harm (based on the dosage Murray gave Michael). The average was 10 minutes up to 15 minutes. Now here comes the math.

Murray’s last phone call was at 10:43 am. 
Last injection was at 10:40 – 10:50 am.
Murray did not answer his phone at 11:00 am
Next call taken was at 11:18 am.

The above information supports Murray was not giving Michael a drip, but he was monitoring Michael during the 15 minutes that the drug would have lasted.

5.   Dr. Schaffer. Plenty of items were presented showing that Schaffer had it out for Murray. For instance, the tubing that Schaffer had purchased that was presented in court as what Murray had used. There was a difference of 2 ½ feet which would not have given the same results. The charts he had created but then amended which were not giving the same results (he had Murray giving Michael a propofol infusion starting at midnight – Michael was at rehearsal at that time).

6.   DA Walgren. Walgren had purposely ripped the hang tag off of the piece of evidence in open court. Did however state the piece of evidence was intact at the crime scene; a stipulation had to be created.


7.   The hanging bag with propofol bottle inside and Alberto Alvarez. Chernoff got Schaffer to admit that he had assumed that the bottle was inside the bag and then he said this: based your assumption that Alberto Alvarez was telling the truth.
 
Also stated that no fingerprints of Alvarez were found on the items he stated he had placed in the blue bag.

Closing:

Murray stated how prosecutors get a guilty verdict on false evidence

Alvarez was motivated to tell a story – being paid by the tabloids (London Mail)

Murray will go into details at a later time

Talked about how the prosecution got away with a crime and that how both may become judges. Deception and how they would further their careers but no incarceration.

Murray stated he has no records, no public reprimands and no lawsuits.

And then this:

I will spend the rest of my life whatever it takes if I have to, to restore honor to myself, to my children.
My pursuit will be impeccable (?), unrelenting, a wrong has been committed and in my lifetime I hope I can have it made right.


The word machination was mentioned so I looked it up:

World English Dictionary

machination  (ˌmækɪˈneɪʃən, ˌmæʃ-) 
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— n   
1.  an intrigue, plot, or scheme 
2.  the act of devising plots or schemes 


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Part 1:

Dr. Conrad Murray Talks - Full Version Part 1 
Published on Aug 4, 2014


June 25, 2014 - Dr. Conrad Murray talks about the case involving the death of Michael Jackson publically for the first time and presents the inconsistencies brought forth by the prosecution through the court proceedings. Dr. Murray uses actual trial footage to make his case that he was wrongfully charged. Part 1 of the full version of the presentation.


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I don't know how to put the actual video here only links.


Love you Michael!
Last Edit: September 11, 2014, 07:01:16 PM by iamhere4mj
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Re: Conrad Murray releases video
September 11, 2014, 10:29:36 PM
Seems like Murray speaks for/speaks like MJ so much. the second paragraph of the Special Acknowledgement pic reminds me so much of MJ speech:

I want you to know that I appreciate my fans (...) every day of my life. It is your presence, your faith and your loyalty that has given me great strength during difficult times, and it was you who inspired me to work hard and deliver, I owe you. Over the years we became a family. You are all my family. My children are your children and all children of the world are our children and our responsibility."

“It was you who put your heart on the line. It was you who stepped forward to defend someone you love. It was you, on a worldwide basis who supported me as my army, my soldiers of love.“You were always there. You are always loyal and I love you forever.”

These quotes were taken from the speech Michael gave at his 45th birthday party celebration.
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Re: Conrad Murray releases video
September 13, 2014, 11:57:07 AM
I agree 100% with you. Many times Murray has said things that will make you think of Michael.

Just like the video he put out talking to his patients; that was Michael talking to the believers. No doubt in my mind about that.

I wonder what Murray meant by Hear what I say, but pay particular attention to what I do.

We know he was spotted coming out of a convenience store on June 25th this year carrying a bottle of milk. What else has he done since this video came out? What has he done since 2009 or even before that?

Love you Michael!
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