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XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 28, 2014, 12:13:36 AM
Just some thoughts on  the album Xscape and the billboard Illusion. This is not thought out, but just as it comes .......

The Estate chose to revisit the Dangerous era for the billboards awards hologram performance. Maybe their reasoning for this was because this is supposedly the era that the song Slave to the Rhythm  was worked,  but it never made the cut to the album at that point in  time. Common sense would tell me this is why this era and not for example Bad was chosen,  but the hoax glasses make me see a little differently.
Is there something more here. This may be a stretch, but here goes anyway......
I also couple this era [Dangerous] in my mind when Michael's trouble started in earnest. Before the chandler allegations MJ was sitting securely upon his throne. The King undisputed, but along come  the chi/mo allegations fuelled by the tabloid feeding frenzy and it  started a process that Michael never totally recovered from in the eyes of the world.
Looking  at a couple of tracks on Xscape [the album name itself speaks volumes] for example A Place With No Name, maybe it holds more than pointing to the crypt at Forest Lawn. The lyrics for the track start out with Michael  singing about driving his jeep and getting a flat tyre and finding himself stuck on the side of the road.
Maybe it is just me and my imagination again, but it made me think of the situation when MJ's jeep broke down and he was brought into contact with the chandler klan.

Here are the first few lines of the song....
As I drove across on the highway
My jeep began to rock
I didn't know what to do so I stopped and got out
And looked down and noticed I got a flat

So I walked out, parked the car like sideways
So I can find what I can fix
I looked around there were no cars on the highway
I felt a strange feeling like a mist

I walked down towards the end of the road
And in the fog a woman appeared
She said don't you worry my friend I'll take care
Take my hand, I'll take you there

Another interesting inclusion is the track Do You Know Where Your Children Are. This is a very ballsy inclusion IMO, cause it confronts the hearers and puts sexual abuse of minors in the forefront of the listeners thinking because of the lyrics.

Chicago talks about a woman who was still married and had a family but  deceived this man [ in the song] . Hmm. Maybe I'm way off and it's just my overhoaxed brain, but June could fit this description here too.
That's it for now, as I watch MJ [figuratively in a hologram/ impersonator form] walk back up those stairs and reclaim that throne that is rightfully his and yeah....totally own it.




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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 28, 2014, 12:57:11 AM
@ RK, you have a very interesting view of this craziness that we have lived thru for almost 5 years lol. I'm interested to see what you come up with next. thanks

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 28, 2014, 07:49:07 PM
I think this deserves it's own thread. See what we can make of the album and the hologram. Interesting thoughts.

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 08:13:52 AM
Just some thoughts on  the album Xscape and the billboard Illusion. This is not thought out, but just as it comes .......

The Estate chose to revisit the Dangerous era for the billboards awards hologram performance. Maybe their reasoning for this was because this is supposedly the era that the song Slave to the Rhythm  was worked,  but it never made the cut to the album at that point in  time. Common sense would tell me this is why this era and not for example Bad was chosen,  but the hoax glasses make me see a little differently.
Is there something more here. This may be a stretch, but here goes anyway......
I also couple this era [Dangerous] in my mind when Michael's trouble started in earnest. Before the chandler allegations MJ was sitting securely upon his throne. The King undisputed, but along come  the chi/mo allegations fuelled by the tabloid feeding frenzy and it  started a process that Michael never totally recovered from in the eyes of the world.
Looking  at a couple of tracks on Xscape [the album name itself speaks volumes] for example A Place With No Name, maybe it holds more than pointing to the crypt at Forest Lawn. The lyrics for the track start out with Michael  singing about driving his jeep and getting a flat tyre and finding himself stuck on the side of the road.
Maybe it is just me and my imagination again, but it made me think of the situation when MJ's jeep broke down and he was brought into contact with the chandler klan.

Here are the first few lines of the song....
As I drove across on the highway
My jeep began to rock
I didn't know what to do so I stopped and got out
And looked down and noticed I got a flat

So I walked out, parked the car like sideways
So I can find what I can fix
I looked around there were no cars on the highway
I felt a strange feeling like a mist

I walked down towards the end of the road
And in the fog a woman appeared
She said don't you worry my friend I'll take care
Take my hand, I'll take you there

Another interesting inclusion is the track Do You Know Where Your Children Are. This is a very ballsy inclusion IMO, cause it confronts the hearers and puts sexual abuse of minors in the forefront of the listeners thinking because of the lyrics.

Chicago talks about a woman who was still married and had a family but  deceived this man [ in the song] . Hmm. Maybe I'm way off and it's just my overhoaxed brain, but June could fit this description here too.
That's it for now, as I watch MJ [figuratively in a hologram/ impersonator form] walk back up those stairs and reclaim that throne that is rightfully his and yeah....totally own it.

Jump in at the deep end. 
I never trusted myself to much to share my toughts.
My further my interpretation of the lyricks of place with no name.

I read that Michael lived with June and her children for a while.
He went every day there for diner.
(if it is true what i read)
Looked like he was in love with June,bought her a love bracelet.
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As she took me right through the fog                                         
I see a beautiful city appear
Where kids are playin' and people are laughin' and smiling and
No one's in fear

Michael was lonely.and June took him out of his loneliness,he had the family he was so longing for.
Children..happiness and a family live and love. Love from the children and from the lady..no more reason to be scared, he finaly found the one(so he tought and hoped)


She said this is the place where no people have pain
And in love and happiness
She turned around looked down at my eyes and started cryin'
She grabbed my hand, you got a friend

Woah-oh
Take me to a place without no name
Place without no name
Take me to a place without no name
Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

Yeah Yeah

She started likin' me kissin' me and huggin' me
She didn't really, really want me to leave
She showed me places I've never seen things I've never done
This place really looks like a lotta fun

I seen the grass and the sky and the birds
And the flowers surrounded by the trees
This place is filled with love and happiness
and not a world could I wanna leave

Michael tought he found real love,This sounds like he was really in love with this lady.And for the first time in his live he found this kind of happiness. and never felt like this before

So then I went in my pocket took my wallet on out
With my pictures of my family and girl
This is the place that you choose to be with me
When you thought you could be in another world

Than reallitey hits,and he finds himself in a horror story. so much Betrayal

You thought you could be happy Michael and xscape your world, were you are surrounded by leeches and hypocrites,here is a other thing coming.
This is the live you choose ,you wanted to be a superstar there is no way back.
We come back to haunt you if you dont walk the road we choose for you. one way or an other. You are our money machine and destroy you if neccesary.
There is no one to trust.

Michael is hurt and depressed like never before. it tells him he cant  trust anyone.And boy how right he was..Because it happens again and again and again.

The betrayal is buiding and every goldigger jumps on the wagon and wants a piece of Michael Jackson.
The terrible horror leads him finally to the place with no name,the place he dont want to ends up(Forest Lawn). He desparate is looking for the place WITHOUT no name.
A place with a name were he can be happy again(like Neverland with Family).
I was hoping this hoax was the tool, and we al are helping him to get him away from the place with no name,and get him to the place of happinis again..the place without no name.




Ooh-ooh
Take me to a place without no name
Place without no name
Take me to a place without no name
No name

My toughts from the lyricks,it is more reading his lyricks in between the lines.
Something i do from wen this all started.


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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 10:34:11 AM
I think you're on the right track. Him buying June the love bracelet makes me think that he did care for her. I thought about what he told Bashir in that odd interview. He told him that if he likes a girl, he buys her jewelry. So I think it makes sense. How sad that he was betrayed. I hate that woman

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 10:51:45 AM
are u al talking about june gatlin ( i think that's her name).  the person that told him to not know about his money is not good.  if so, what did she do?   :confused:

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
If it is true that Michael bought her that jewellery and they both were seeing each other, then I wonder whether June tried to exploit MJ and when she miserably failed, sought help from Evan to cook up child abuse stories. idk just imagining...
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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 11:16:49 AM
are u al talking about june gatlin ( i think that's her name). ....

No, June Chandler.

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 11:28:25 AM
are u al talking about june gatlin ( i think that's her name).  the person that told him to not know about his money is not good.  if so, what did she do?   :confused:

No that was his advisor.
This June is the mother of Jordan Chandler from the first allegations.

http://youtu.be/7zeB65d3fpQ  Dont know if this fan thing of her is also true, i know it al started wen his car broke down and het he went to a garage who belonged to Jordans stepfather, he called Jordan because he was a big fan. from there it goes.
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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 12:22:14 PM
I'd like to quote some very interesting parts from this blog, quite important information.

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Among the names of women mentioned in the second part of the letter one name is the most captivating for us. This name is a key to the closely guarded secret of the first 1993 so-called “child molestation” case in Michael’s biography and tells the actual truth behind those accusations.

The name of that woman is June Chandler and yes, the author claims that Jordan’s mother had an affair with Michael Jackson, and that “punk bitch” Jordan Chandler just got jealous of mommy’s relationship with Michael.


Strange as it might seem now, in the year 2004 not a single detractor of Michael Jackson, not a single reader, journalist or even a fan questioned the official version of June Chandler’s involvement in the case. Everyone looked at her as either a poor trustful woman who overlooked the “molestation” of her son right in front of her eyes or a greedy parent who was callously “selling her son to a predator”.No other versions were ever considered and therefore the story described by the anonymous author almost ten years ago sounds so unique to us today. It is the singularity of the author’s statement and its difference from the general trend that makes this news so interesting to us – of course in addition to the fact that the revelation about June Chandler having an affair with Michael Jackson  is extremely interesting in and of itself.Before you read the letter let me explain what “punk bitch” and some other slang words mean.  I looked them up in the Urban dictionary and find that their interpretation adds a lot of color to the narration.  For example, “Punk Bitch” with reference to Jordan Chandler points to him being a cowardly and mean figure (however who can expect a 12-year old to be brave enough to stand up to corrupt adults around him?)In fact all interpretations of “Punk Bitch” would apply to Jordan:
  • An ass lying to impress.
  • Someone who runs from a fight and someone you are hostile toward.
  • Someone who smiles in your face pretend yall are cool, but shitting on you behind your back.
  • Someone who is fake but try to act like they’re hard.
  • Someone who play phone warrior and talk hella shit over the phone but never to your face.
  • Someone who takes a person kindness for weakness.
Another word used is “Hussy”. It means “a brazen or immoral woman”. The term is applied by the author to no other than Diana Ross.And the last word is “Sprung”. It refers to Michael Jackson (“that boy was sprung”) and to the way he felt about Lisa-Marie Presley. The word is so special that it inspired the Urban dictionary to whole chapters of explanation:
  • Sprung is when you’ve gone two months without seeing her face, yet her smile still lingers in your dreams. It’s when you can’t get her off your mind, no matter the time or distance apart. It’s when everyday that goes by without her is a bad day. It’s when you can’t help but be a hopeless romantic, waiting for the day she comes around and picks you. It’s when every song, movie, and special moment you shared sparks a flood of memories, of the better times. It’s when you’d trade it all to go back in time, to live it all over again. It’s when you hate yourself for not taking that chance, for letting that fleeting window of opportunity slip by. It’s when you long to tell her everything, about how you felt, how you still feel. It’s when the pain is unbearable. Your time spent with her each day plummets from 80% to a miserable 0% overnight….
  • Sprung is falling in love with someone to the point that they are constantly on your mind and you cannot live without them.. and your everyday is either good or bad, depending on how it went with her. When you’re so infatuated with one person that you feel almost as though you’re in love with them, yet you can’t quite define it as love. When you’re sprung, you’re stuck on one person; suddenly, no one seems to matter quite as much as they do; when you don’t see them all day, it feels like you’re missing something, like the day didn’t even count as a real day.
  • Sprung is when you have no control over how you feel for someone; you feel almost obsessed with them. Yet, somehow, it’s still not quite love. Eventually, it will turn into love, though, given enough time.
So it is an infatuation with a person, though not exactly love?Interesting.Now that we know how Michael Jackson felt about Lisa Marie Presley during their marriage and even after their divorce, let us proceed to the letter itself.Please read it with an open mind trying not to fall into the extremes of euphoria or total disbelief. Before we pass our final judgment on the letter we still need to check up a lot of things.Also please note that the author of the letter mentions June Chandler in a very matter-of-fact way (the bold type is mine) with no special goal to rub into our minds the idea that the allegations were false and that the case was very much different from what everyone thought it to be. This matter-of-fact attitude makes the revelation about June Chandler all the more valuable to us:
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Nor gay or phedofile [sic]

2004-06-12

You people are so gullible! I love it, it’s hilarious.

Anybody who genuinely knows Michael (which is none of you), knows that Michael is straight – almost to a fault of himself, considering that he doesn’t look like the most masculine of brothas. You’re so quick to believe Scott, which is hysterical because if you knew their history, you’d know how weirded out Michael was by Scott’s advances. Michael’s not overtly homophobic, but he is old school and isn’t completely comfortable with it. However, given the nature of his profession, he has tried his best to be accepting and because he tries to be a good Christian, he does not judge, he leaves that to God. He still gets incredibly uncomfortable by advances by anything remotely male….which brings us to Scott. Scott made a pass at Michael. Michael ignored it, initially. The second time, Michael told him to back the #### off (in more polite language, of course…Michael was still quite young and sweet and innocent back in the ’80s, if a dude tried something similar NOW, he might get punched in the face). They haven’t spoken since then. The closest he ever got to Michael after about ’84 was that his boyfriend was friends with Priscilla Presley’s makeup artist. The two haven’t spoken since Scott tried to get all up on Mikey.

One may ask themselves, if his motive for coming forward now was out of some sort of moral obligation and a desire to crush MJ’s “strategy” of declaring himself heterosexual, why didn’t he come forward in 1993? Maids, cooks, ex-guards, everybody and their momma was coming forward with “claims,” why not then? Or, if the motivation behind this is genuine concern for the welfare of children and not money, why not go to the police with the things you’ve seen (i.e. Scott claiming to have seen child porn on Michael’s nightstand)?

Simple, none of it happened and Scott was still livin’ the life with all of Liberace’s dough. Poverty brings forth all sorts of “memories.” Isn’t it convenient that just as soon as his cash stash is running dry, he tells the world he had sex with Michael Jackson?
Please.
Let me break this down for you people and pay attention because I don’t like doing it more than once. Michael Jackson is thoroughly heterosexual. He does not like men. He does not like boys. He likes women over the age of 18. Shiiiiit, even before he was 18, he liked women well over the age of 18. It’s no secret within certain circles that Diana Ross was his first. The poor guy thought he was going to marry her but she fucked him over with Gene Simmons and Arne Naess. He was pretty naive back then, so he chose not to see the obvious. Then he was celibate for about 3 years, before becoming involved with a pretty, blond employee of his, an actress from a popular ’80s/early ’90s sitcom, a singer that nobody cares about anymore but was the sh.it back in the day, some groupie/secretary, June Chandler (the mother of punk bitch Jordan who got jealous of mommy’s relationship with Michael) and, of course, Lisa Marie. Lisa Marie was the only one he allowed himself to become more than just sexually involved with since Diana, that boy was sprung. Lisa Marie, however, led him to believe they would have a family of their own, but stayed on the pill anyway because even if she said she was a rebel, the little bitch didn’t want mommy dearest to get mad at her for having a lil black child. Mike found the pills, split, messed around with a couple of other women with the goal of getting one pregnant just to hurt Lisa (he can be an as.shole sometimes, true) and eventually knocked up Debbie, which, (if I didn’t love and adore his children and think they saved his life) I would say was probably one of the biggest mistakes of his life. He was never faithful to Debbie after they married, never even wanted to marry her but Mike doesn’t like to break his mother’s heart. He and Lisa continued having sex until 1999 (they weren’t “together,” they were just fucking), until he met his third child’s mother, fell very much in love with her, but he is his father’s son, so he wasn’t entirely faithful to her, which is why they split up shortly after she found out she was pregnant. From that time, up until right before these new bullshit allegations broke, he was pretty much a dog. No attachment, just sex. He has no time to get attached to somebody and then depressed again after they part ways now that he has his children. I doubt he has time for anybody other than his children and his lawyers now.

There, you have it. Take it or leave it, but it’s the truth. Mike would hate me for putting his business out here like this, but at least it’s accurate, unlike all of the other trash going around now. He ain’t my boss anymore, so he’s just going to have to put up with it.

Summary: Scott is full of s.hit, Michael isn’t gay and he sho’ as h.ell ain't a pedophile


The blogger has continued to explain how June made a "mistake" (I'm not going to post that here since I understand there can be several young people reading the forum; it's not appropriate)

Here's the link : http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2013/01/09/an-insiders-letter-about-michael-jacksons-women-sex-love-and-jealousy/comment-page-1/
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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 04:09:47 PM
I'm sure that blogger had pure intentions and wanted to set some things straight, but seriously? exposing someone's private life like that? I don't like it… I don't know wether he tells the truth or not and truthfully, I do not want to know… that's Michael's private life… : )

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 10:36:35 PM
I think we can establish  that June and her children along with Michael were playing happy family at that time. There is a lot of wonderful research out there for anyone who wants to read up on all of  this at Vindicating Michael.

This is from the 2005 trial when mad dog sneddon was examining June on the stand. Speaking about that time at Vegas.

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1 Q. And who was in your room when you first got

2 there? Who was staying in your room?

3 A. Jordan, myself, Lily and Michael.

4 Q. All in the same room?

5 A. Correct.

What has been fed to the public via the media has been only a sprinkling or pre- selected facts. Those that would have caused a realistic view in the public's perception were purposely omitted.
I have always found it interesting that June had a housekeeper that lived on site 24 hours a day, yet none of us have ever heard from her, she never testified  during  the trial, nor do we even know her name. I believe that what she would have told the court room is that it was June who was in a relationship with Michael . Not the direction that the prosecution were wanting this to take.

ps....that rant about MJ's private life that was posted  ^above^ has been floating around for a long time on the internet. I have always thought it probably was Frank Cascio who was just so pissed at all the crap that was being said about Michael at the time, and also it was at the time when he was no longer in MJ's employment because of the trial and he was also having his own dramas with the arvisos claims against him .

So now....back to Xscape and our Virtual Michael performance  :ghsdf:

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 29, 2014, 11:39:13 PM
I posted that excerpt as it talked about a relationship between June Chandler and Michael. Anthony Pellicano had an evidence about the Chandlers, but he never revealed it.
It makes sense why Michael was visiting Jordan's house too often. Moreover, this scenario fits perfectly with "Chicago".

And yes, the maid never said anything, she sure must have known a lot about June and Michael, maybe including some intricate details; so there maybe there was a fear that she might leak some information during the questioning by prosecution. 

@LuneCendre That is a letter from an "insider", whoever that person was. not the blogger. please read the blog i shared the link.
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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 30, 2014, 12:30:52 AM
thanks curls and mattie i forgot about her

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 30, 2014, 03:20:22 AM
If it is true that Michael bought her that jewellery and they both were seeing each other, then I wonder whether June tried to exploit MJ and when she miserably failed, sought help from Evan to cook up child abuse stories. idk just imagining...

Ik think that was the case. June tried to get in his live and to get acces to all what live with a superstar good offer her.
But jealousy get in the way and  other conspiracy?. then she settled for the money and cooperated wih Evan and David.
Michel had found an other golddigger in her!

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Re: XSCAPE album and Billboard Hologram

  • on: May 30, 2014, 11:21:41 AM
The title track Xscape was originally written and recorded during the Dangerous sessions and revisited in 1999 for the Invincible album but failed to make the final list. The song was completed in 2003.

Michael Jackson
Xscape

Intro (Prison guard)
Open up 6,
He's gone!

Everywhere I turn, no matter where I look,
The systems in control, it's all ran by the book,
I've got to get away so I can clear my mind,
Xscape is what I need, away from electric eyes

No matter where I am, I seen my face around,
They pin lies on my name, and push them from town to town,
Don't have a place to run, but there's no need to hide,
I've got to, find a place,
So I won't hide away

Xscape, got to get away from a system loose in the world today
Xscape, the pressure that I face from relationships that go away
Xscape, the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man
Xscape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me

(Girl)
Sometimes I feel like
I've gotta get away

I tried to share my life with someone I could love
But games and money is all she ever thought of
How could that be my fault when she gambled and lost?
I'm tired of silly games, its time to make a change

Why is it I can't do whatever I want to? (oh)
When it's my personal life and I don't live for you (you)
So don't you try to tell me what is right for me (try it)
You be concerned about you, I can do what I want to

Xscape, (hoo-hoo) (oh, no)
got to get away from a system loose in the world today
(I've got to get away)
Xscape,
the pressure that I face from relationships that go away
(don't you know I need it?)
Xscape,
the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man
(I've got to get away)
Xscape,
I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me
(get away)
Xscape,
(don't you try it)
got to get away from a system loose in the world today
Xscape,
the pressure that I face from relationships that go away
(pressure that I'm facing every day)
Xscape,
(hoo-hoo)
the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man
(come on, now)
Xscape,
(come on, now)
I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me
(hoo-hoo)
Bridge
When I go, (oh, go) this problem world won't bother me no more
(This problem world won't bother me no more)
(problem world, bother me, yeah, oh, yeah, hoo)
Xscape
Xscape
Xscape
Xscape
Xscape, got to get away from a system loose in the world today
(I've got to find a way)
Xscape, the pressure that I face from relationships that go away
(pressure that I'm facing)
Xscape, the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man
(why I wanna fly)
Xscape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me
(I do what I wanna, hoo-hoo)

Xscape, got to get away from a system loose in the world today
Xscape, the pressure that I face from relationships that go away
Xscape, the man with the pen that writes the lies that hassle this man
Xscape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me (hoo-hoo)

Xscape, got to get away
(I've got find a way)
Xscape, the pressure that I face
(can't take it no more)
Xscape, the man with the pen
(I can't take this no more)
Xscape, I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me
Xscape (auow!)
(You ain't my mother)
Xscape
Got to get away
Xscape
The pressure that I face
Xscape
The man with the pen (get away)
Xscape
I do what I wanna
I do what I wanna cause I gotta face nobody but me (hee-hee-hee)
(Hoo)
Xscape
(what for? I can't take this kind of shit no more!)
Xscape till fade
You Want me? Come and get me.