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Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"Gosh, I wouldn't know where to start! :lol: She witnessed some seriously crazy things living at Hayvenhurst for 8 years...Jermaine sounds like a real piece of work, along with the rest of the family. She was very kind to Michael in the book though. You can read it here... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login or perhaps they'd have the book at the library? It's really worth the read!Wow..Is all I can say right now :shock: I just got finished reading that book and just wow. Seriously if what she spoke of is true in it's entirely than the Jackson's are crazier than I thought. And that Jermaine is geez...something else. I've had gotten a good laugh off of that book. Thanks for the link ILuvUMoreMJ
Gosh, I wouldn't know where to start! :lol: She witnessed some seriously crazy things living at Hayvenhurst for 8 years...Jermaine sounds like a real piece of work, along with the rest of the family. She was very kind to Michael in the book though. You can read it here... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login or perhaps they'd have the book at the library? It's really worth the read!
IMO, I believe Michael was abused, and I'm not sure how anyone can call it just being "strict" when you hear what he describes in the Shmuley tapes. Sometimes when people get older they mellow out and become kinder, which is what seems to be the case with Joe. I would imagine the anger they had as children subsided when they saw the change in him, especially as it seems he's been touched with senility, so it's easier for them to forgive and forget. As far as Jermaine goes, I'll refrain from publicly bashing him, but do yourselves a favour and read his ex-"wife's" book, "Jackson Family Values". If even a quarter of it is true, I can see why Jermaine defends Joe's abuse, and why Michael distanced himself from his family. And, unfortunately, I can also see why there were no tears from most of the family if he really did pass.
Well around my house it's the same except my mother is like Joe. She believes that getting whooped with a belt is discipline and that it is a way of showing a child that u love them. She thinks that because she always goes by "You spare the rod u spoil the child" which is probably what Joe was trying to use. I feel like Michael because even if we do something wrong there is no excuse for hitting a child with a belt or anything else. But basically they do this because excuse my language on this they would rather kick our ass before someone we dont know does. It is also said as a teaching for us to be rough or ready for if someone steps in our face but I won't start with that. But anyway Jermaine was talkin about this in the second Bashir documentary what we weren't suppose to see and i really didn't know what to say abt it but there is always going to be 2 sides to a story. Everyone takes the word abuse( a very strong word) in a diferent way and from a different perspective. The way Michael thinks of abuse is a totally diferent way Jermaine sees abuse which is normal. But we will never really know the whole story only God,Michael,and Joe will know.
Quote from: "Mj5StarChick"Well around my house it's the same except my mother is like Joe. She believes that getting whooped with a belt is discipline and that it is a way of showing a child that u love them. She thinks that because she always goes by "You spare the rod u spoil the child" which is probably what Joe was trying to use. I feel like Michael because even if we do something wrong there is no excuse for hitting a child with a belt or anything else. But basically they do this because excuse my language on this they would rather kick our ass before someone we dont know does. It is also said as a teaching for us to be rough or ready for if someone steps in our face but I won't start with that. But anyway Jermaine was talkin about this in the second Bashir documentary what we weren't suppose to see and i really didn't know what to say abt it but there is always going to be 2 sides to a story. Everyone takes the word abuse( a very strong word) in a diferent way and from a different perspective. The way Michael thinks of abuse is a totally diferent way Jermaine sees abuse which is normal. But we will never really know the whole story only God,Michael,and Joe will know.I was raised on the idea that if you did something wrong, you get spanked. I get sick and tired of people comparing spanking to abuse. I was never beaten an inch of my life, my mother and father have never got so angry with me that they beat the crap out of me. If I did something that I was not suppose to do, they gave me a warning first, saying if I did that action again, I would get a spanking. Most of time, I would just listen. But the few times I did not listen, I got a spanken. Most people I know have grew up like this. And I don't believe it is a bad method, when done the right way. But what Joe did was NOT THE SAME as what my parents did. Joe did it a million times worse, and it seems in most cases, for no reason what so ever. Heck, when Michael talked about how Joe would make him strip naked and oil him down just so he get beat him, well that sounds more than just physical, but sexual abuse. What Joe did was wrong, of course. But not all parents who spank their children are not Joe Jackson.
Quote from: "rosemariaantigone"Quote from: "Mj5StarChick"Well around my house it's the same except my mother is like Joe. She believes that getting whooped with a belt is discipline and that it is a way of showing a child that u love them. She thinks that because she always goes by "You spare the rod u spoil the child" which is probably what Joe was trying to use. I feel like Michael because even if we do something wrong there is no excuse for hitting a child with a belt or anything else. But basically they do this because excuse my language on this they would rather kick our ass before someone we dont know does. It is also said as a teaching for us to be rough or ready for if someone steps in our face but I won't start with that. But anyway Jermaine was talkin about this in the second Bashir documentary what we weren't suppose to see and i really didn't know what to say abt it but there is always going to be 2 sides to a story. Everyone takes the word abuse( a very strong word) in a diferent way and from a different perspective. The way Michael thinks of abuse is a totally diferent way Jermaine sees abuse which is normal. But we will never really know the whole story only God,Michael,and Joe will know.I was raised on the idea that if you did something wrong, you get spanked. I get sick and tired of people comparing spanking to abuse. I was never beaten an inch of my life, my mother and father have never got so angry with me that they beat the crap out of me. If I did something that I was not suppose to do, they gave me a warning first, saying if I did that action again, I would get a spanking. Most of time, I would just listen. But the few times I did not listen, I got a spanken. Most people I know have grew up like this. And I don't believe it is a bad method, when done the right way. But what Joe did was NOT THE SAME as what my parents did. Joe did it a million times worse, and it seems in most cases, for no reason what so ever. Heck, when Michael talked about how Joe would make him strip naked and oil him down just so he get beat him, well that sounds more than just physical, but sexual abuse. What Joe did was wrong, of course. But not all parents who spank their children are not Joe Jackson.Well i can only agree with you BUT that is the name my friends named my mom lols because of the whoopings we get. Now my mother and believed in drop them draws and dats NOT sexual abuse she wants to make it hurt so u know next time not to do it but we seem to do it again. Now if Michael believed of it as abuse well that's what he believes i think of it this way it hurts but I'm raised better than half of my friends i know now because their mom lets them hang out all times of the day and night but i don't because my mom is worried and around here I'm scared to walk to and from school but i do it.
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Quote from: "ILuvUMoreMJ"IMO, I believe Michael was abused, and I'm not sure how anyone can call it just being "strict" when you hear what he describes in the Shmuley tapes. Sometimes when people get older they mellow out and become kinder, which is what seems to be the case with Joe. I would imagine the anger they had as children subsided when they saw the change in him, especially as it seems he's been touched with senility, so it's easier for them to forgive and forget. As far as Jermaine goes, I'll refrain from publicly bashing him, but do yourselves a favour and read his ex-"wife's" book, "Jackson Family Values". If even a quarter of it is true, I can see why Jermaine defends Joe's abuse, and why Michael distanced himself from his family. And, unfortunately, I can also see why there were no tears from most of the family if he really did pass. I agree with you completely. I think Jermaine defends Joe's behavior just because he behaves like him. there. I said it.
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