Michael Jackson as a character theory

[curls]

^^^ and isn't that just the problem, or maybe the purpose, with 'crying wolf'?  Your 'audience' ends up questioning or disbelieving every thing you say or do!  MJ said he was misunderstood, but he didn't exactly make it easy did he?!

[Do]

^^^ and isn't that just the problem, or maybe the purpose, with 'crying wolf'?  Your 'audience' ends up questioning or disbelieving every thing you say or do!  MJ said he was misunderstood, but he didn't exactly make it easy did he?!

If you look deep in your heart, would that be something that makes a human being happy? To fool everybody for years, to go for the eyes of the world through such humiliating experiences?  If so, then I can understand that he found himself the loneliest man on the planet. But, in my eyes, then that was just by his own doing. And that's NOT Michael (to me). You see, for me there is a huge difference in being a great prankster or being a huge liar and manipulator. Heck, if I hadn't been on this forum for four years and learned so many things about him, I might believe Wade Robson right now! Is that what Michael would have wanted? If we are going to believe that everything he said could be a lie, then his denial about the accussations could be a lie too.

[Thriller4ever]

No one in this hoax, in my opinion, is believing blindly anything except that Michael is alive, and even that's based on facts. This forum was to give room for discussion, doesn't mean we believe it. Some news article might show up which might prove our theories wrong or right. We can never be sure about anything in this hoax and that's the exact purpose (of notmaking information available for everyone to see until everything is over. I firmly believe this.}
There are certain events in Michael's life that undeniably fit into this hoax.  For example, the video Liberian Girl. or the 1998 signature he did in 1988. or even the pepsi accident. we don't know anything at this moment whether he did them on the future hoax project or made those past events a basis for the hoax.

Coming to MJ's child molestation Cases. the FBI released 333 pages saying MJ is innocent. How can you think that MJ's denial about the accusations could be a lie?

Everything in this hoax for us believers is a guessing game and there's actually no point in thinking a certain way. 
that's what I learned from this hoax.

[Do]

No one in this hoax, in my opinion, is believing blindly anything except that Michael is alive, and even that's based on facts. This forum was to give room for discussion, doesn't mean we believe it. Some news article might show up which might prove our theories wrong or right. We can never be sure about anything in this hoax and that's the exact purpose (of notmaking information available for everyone to see until everything is over. I firmly believe this.}
There are certain events in Michael's life that undeniably fit into this hoax.  For example, the video Liberian Girl. or the 1998 signature he did in 1988. or even the pepsi accident. we don't know anything at this moment whether he did them on the future hoax project or made those past events a basis for the hoax.

Coming to MJ's child molestation Cases. the FBI released 333 pages saying MJ is innocent. How can you think that MJ's denial about the accusations could be a lie?

Everything in this hoax for us believers is a guessing game and there's actually no point in thinking a certain way.
that's what I learned from this hoax.

My post was an answer to Curls post, in which I was trying to explain that if you lie half of the times, people (in general) have a harder time to believe you when you are telling the truth. That's what my mother taught me and that's what I'm teaching my children. I also said, in my opinion, that is NOT the case with Michael. In this thread were many posts from members who felt the last part of his life was leading up to the hoax, starting with the pepsi-accident. If they feel so, it's their good right, I just don't agree with that. Michael was a prankster and even a manipulator at some points, but not a straight out liar. And I also feel that the pepsi-accident was what it was: an accident. As is the trial, and pyama-day. Not hoaxy, but real. Pepsi-accident might have formed a 'start', but was real, otherwise he would't have sued pepsi and obtained a large amount which he used for the Michael Jackson Burn Center.

Quote Curls: your 'audience' is questioning or disbelieving everything you say or do

I (and we) don't believe he is guilty, or lied about that, because of what I (we) have learned. What about the other 90 % of the 'audience' that believed the tabloids or couldn't care less now he is 'dead'?

[whatyourheartsays]

i don't think MJ has been hoaxing his life to prepare his hoaxed death.
Now i can surely believe he pulled a plan so that the hoax and everything that happened before could seem like a staged situation. When things happen in your life, you can try to forget about them, which MJ CAN'T, just because he is the most famous guy around ! There will always be someone to remember about what happened before. The only way out is to go forward, finding a way to deal with it.
Saying it's part of the plan could be the choice he made to get out of all this. And if it works, i'll be pretty proud of such a move.

Now i don't believe he faked drug addiction or child molesting trial or anything that happened to him.

I agree there is always several ways to explain things. And I believe we might be given informations that lead us to see it from a side that fits with whatb MJ wish us to see.

If that can help with his image, i'm fine with it. Just i don't buy it. I don't need this to love him anyway.

[suspicious mind]

No one in this hoax, in my opinion, is believing blindly anything except that Michael is alive, and even that's based on facts. This forum was to give room for discussion, doesn't mean we believe it. Some news article might show up which might prove our theories wrong or right. We can never be sure about anything in this hoax and that's the exact purpose (of notmaking information available for everyone to see until everything is over. I firmly believe this.}
There are certain events in Michael's life that undeniably fit into this hoax.  For example, the video Liberian Girl. or the 1998 signature he did in 1988. or even the pepsi accident. we don't know anything at this moment whether he did them on the future hoax project or made those past events a basis for the hoax.

Coming to MJ's child molestation Cases. the FBI released 333 pages saying MJ is innocent. How can you think that MJ's denial about the accusations could be a lie?

Everything in this hoax for us believers is a guessing game and there's actually no point in thinking a certain way.
that's what I learned from this hoax.

My post was an answer to Curls post, in which I was trying to explain that if you lie half of the times, people (in general) have a harder time to believe you when you are telling the truth. That's what my mother taught me and that's what I'm teaching my children. I also said, in my opinion, that is NOT the case with Michael. In this thread were many posts from members who felt the last part of his life was leading up to the hoax, starting with the pepsi-accident. If they feel so, it's their good right, I just don't agree with that. Michael was a prankster and even a manipulator at some points, but not a straight out liar. And I also feel that the pepsi-accident was what it was: an accident. As is the trial, and pyama-day. Not hoaxy, but real. Pepsi-accident might have formed a 'start', but was real, otherwise he would't have sued pepsi and obtained a large amount which he used for the Michael Jackson Burn Center.

Quote Curls: your 'audience' is questioning or disbelieving everything you say or do

I (and we) don't believe he is guilty, or lied about that, because of what I (we) have learned. What about the other 90 % of the 'audience' that believed the tabloids or couldn't care less now he is 'dead'?

someone would need to confirm this but i think i read the other day that he didn't sue pepsi but asked them to build the ( i think it was a children's) burn wing in his name at the burn center or something like that.  which kinda makes me go hummm :suspect:40 billion dollars ?? how much would it take to build a childrens hospital ??  :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:

[Do]

No one in this hoax, in my opinion, is believing blindly anything except that Michael is alive, and even that's based on facts. This forum was to give room for discussion, doesn't mean we believe it. Some news article might show up which might prove our theories wrong or right. We can never be sure about anything in this hoax and that's the exact purpose (of notmaking information available for everyone to see until everything is over. I firmly believe this.}
There are certain events in Michael's life that undeniably fit into this hoax.  For example, the video Liberian Girl. or the 1998 signature he did in 1988. or even the pepsi accident. we don't know anything at this moment whether he did them on the future hoax project or made those past events a basis for the hoax.

Coming to MJ's child molestation Cases. the FBI released 333 pages saying MJ is innocent. How can you think that MJ's denial about the accusations could be a lie?

Everything in this hoax for us believers is a guessing game and there's actually no point in thinking a certain way.
that's what I learned from this hoax.

My post was an answer to Curls post, in which I was trying to explain that if you lie half of the times, people (in general) have a harder time to believe you when you are telling the truth. That's what my mother taught me and that's what I'm teaching my children. I also said, in my opinion, that is NOT the case with Michael. In this thread were many posts from members who felt the last part of his life was leading up to the hoax, starting with the pepsi-accident. If they feel so, it's their good right, I just don't agree with that. Michael was a prankster and even a manipulator at some points, but not a straight out liar. And I also feel that the pepsi-accident was what it was: an accident. As is the trial, and pyama-day. Not hoaxy, but real. Pepsi-accident might have formed a 'start', but was real, otherwise he would't have sued pepsi and obtained a large amount which he used for the Michael Jackson Burn Center.

Quote Curls: your 'audience' is questioning or disbelieving everything you say or do

I (and we) don't believe he is guilty, or lied about that, because of what I (we) have learned. What about the other 90 % of the 'audience' that believed the tabloids or couldn't care less now he is 'dead'?

someone would need to confirm this but i think i read the other day that he didn't sue pepsi but asked them to build the ( i think it was a children's) burn wing in his name at the burn center or something like that.  which kinda makes me go hummm :suspect:40 billion dollars ?? how much would it take to build a childrens hospital ??  :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:

In 1984, while filming a Pepsi Cola commercial, Jackson suffered second degree burns to his scalp after pyrotechnics accidentally set his hair on fire. PepsiCo settled a lawsuit out of court, and Jackson gave his $1.5 million settlement to the "Michael Jackson Burn Center" which was a piece of new technology to help people with severe burns.

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[suspicious mind]

No one in this hoax, in my opinion, is believing blindly anything except that Michael is alive, and even that's based on facts. This forum was to give room for discussion, doesn't mean we believe it. Some news article might show up which might prove our theories wrong or right. We can never be sure about anything in this hoax and that's the exact purpose (of notmaking information available for everyone to see until everything is over. I firmly believe this.}
There are certain events in Michael's life that undeniably fit into this hoax.  For example, the video Liberian Girl. or the 1998 signature he did in 1988. or even the pepsi accident. we don't know anything at this moment whether he did them on the future hoax project or made those past events a basis for the hoax.

Coming to MJ's child molestation Cases. the FBI released 333 pages saying MJ is innocent. How can you think that MJ's denial about the accusations could be a lie?

Everything in this hoax for us believers is a guessing game and there's actually no point in thinking a certain way.
that's what I learned from this hoax.

My post was an answer to Curls post, in which I was trying to explain that if you lie half of the times, people (in general) have a harder time to believe you when you are telling the truth. That's what my mother taught me and that's what I'm teaching my children. I also said, in my opinion, that is NOT the case with Michael. In this thread were many posts from members who felt the last part of his life was leading up to the hoax, starting with the pepsi-accident. If they feel so, it's their good right, I just don't agree with that. Michael was a prankster and even a manipulator at some points, but not a straight out liar. And I also feel that the pepsi-accident was what it was: an accident. As is the trial, and pyama-day. Not hoaxy, but real. Pepsi-accident might have formed a 'start', but was real, otherwise he would't have sued pepsi and obtained a large amount which he used for the Michael Jackson Burn Center.

Quote Curls: your 'audience' is questioning or disbelieving everything you say or do

I (and we) don't believe he is guilty, or lied about that, because of what I (we) have learned. What about the other 90 % of the 'audience' that believed the tabloids or couldn't care less now he is 'dead'?

someone would need to confirm this but i think i read the other day that he didn't sue pepsi but asked them to build the ( i think it was a children's) burn wing in his name at the burn center or something like that.  which kinda makes me go hummm :suspect:40 billion dollars ?? how much would it take to build a childrens hospital ??  :icon_e_wink: :michael-jackson:

In 1984, while filming a Pepsi Cola commercial, Jackson suffered second degree burns to his scalp after pyrotechnics accidentally set his hair on fire. PepsiCo settled a lawsuit out of court, and Jackson gave his $1.5 million settlement to the "Michael Jackson Burn Center" which was a piece of new technology to help people with severe burns.

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ahh well maybe i misread or maybe what i saw actually said something different ( would that really be a surprise ?  :icon_lol:) . if i run across it again i will bring it. i think there was a piece on .net that said mark l. forgot about the donation thing. again i could be wrong or if i see it again i will bring it.  :LolLolLolLol:either i am crazy or this whole messed up thing is .  :michael-jackson:

[Thriller4ever]

We don't know a 'thing' about Michael's life and what goes on in his mind. I'm not saying there aren't moments in his life where he was vulnerable. But I can't see him as an emotional wreck doing drugs the way doctors tell him. In Michael's case we can never be sure that events in his life took place in a definite manner.

The Pepsi accident has been discussed before in this forum and I was NOT READY to accept that Michael could have faked it. But who am i to judge? How do I even know or how can i be so sure just because there is a certain impression of Michael in my mind and that he will act in that particular way only. That would mean he shouldn't be faking his death because the Michael I previously knew was 'painfully sensitive and honest' to ever do such a thing. If Michael can fake his death, he can do anything else.
Anything can happen, and nothing is impossible.


@Suspicious I think the i read the same on this very forum.

[Thriller4ever]

Anyways, Everyone has their own right to believe what they want. whatever convinces them most.

[suspicious mind]

^^^ and isn't that just the problem, or maybe the purpose, with 'crying wolf'?  Your 'audience' ends up questioning or disbelieving every thing you say or do!  MJ said he was misunderstood, but he didn't exactly make it easy did he?!

If you look deep in your heart, would that be something that makes a human being happy? To fool everybody for years, to go for the eyes of the world through such humiliating experiences?  If so, then I can understand that he found himself the loneliest man on the planet. But, in my eyes, then that was just by his own doing. And that's NOT Michael (to me). You see, for me there is a huge difference in being a great prankster or being a huge liar and manipulator. Heck, if I hadn't been on this forum for four years and learned so many things about him, I might believe Wade Robson right now! Is that what Michael would have wanted? If we are going to believe that everything he said could be a lie, then his denial about the accussations could be a lie too.

great post  :th_bravo:

[sweetsunsetwithMJ]

Do:

I agree with you on that, the whole thing is just not black nor white, there is a huge twighlight zone in the middle. But I just don't think, for example, he went to court in pyjamas just to manipulate and to be a puppetmaster. This was serious business, and I don't think he would pull such a 'prank' before the eyes of the world on such a delicate occasion: the trial was about being a childmolester or not (whether the whole trial was real or not). I think it was a very, very degrading experience for him and NOT comparable to wheelchair-day. THAT day served a smokescreen for his upcoming, yet not announced This is It concerts. Not about being a criminal or not.

I don't believe for one second that a man of the likes of MJ dared to appear wearing a pajamas at the court room if it weren't to fool the media as Jermaine said, I believe Jermaine when he says Michael was a master of media manipulation.

[Do]

Anyways, Everyone has their own right to believe what they want. whatever convinces them most.

True ofcourse. I guess I'm having a pretty hard time with the swift from serious reasons for the hoax and JUSTICE for Michael to Michael the prankster on a large scale, since MANY MANY years, in fact, was it really Michael or Prince, was he really burnt and was the trial fake etc.etc. My, Tom Sneddon could have been killed by angry fans for nothing now the trial was all but part of the plan. Maybe TS doesn't exist at all either.

But ofcourse, again my opinion and I do appreciate other views, I'm not claiming I'm 'in the know'!

[Do]

Do:

I agree with you on that, the whole thing is just not black nor white, there is a huge twighlight zone in the middle. But I just don't think, for example, he went to court in pyjamas just to manipulate and to be a puppetmaster. This was serious business, and I don't think he would pull such a 'prank' before the eyes of the world on such a delicate occasion: the trial was about being a childmolester or not (whether the whole trial was real or not). I think it was a very, very degrading experience for him and NOT comparable to wheelchair-day. THAT day served a smokescreen for his upcoming, yet not announced This is It concerts. Not about being a criminal or not.

I don't believe for one second that a man of the likes of MJ dared to appear wearing a pajamas at the court room if it weren't to fool the media as Jermaine said, I believe Jermaine when he says Michael was a master of media manipulation.

Jermaine said in his book that Michael fooled the media a lot, but not on this particular day. He had such short time to get to court that there wasn't time to go back home from the hospital to change his clothes. But I have to (again) read between the lines I guess.

[Do]

^^^ and isn't that just the problem, or maybe the purpose, with 'crying wolf'?  Your 'audience' ends up questioning or disbelieving every thing you say or do!  MJ said he was misunderstood, but he didn't exactly make it easy did he?!

If you look deep in your heart, would that be something that makes a human being happy? To fool everybody for years, to go for the eyes of the world through such humiliating experiences?  If so, then I can understand that he found himself the loneliest man on the planet. But, in my eyes, then that was just by his own doing. And that's NOT Michael (to me). You see, for me there is a huge difference in being a great prankster or being a huge liar and manipulator. Heck, if I hadn't been on this forum for four years and learned so many things about him, I might believe Wade Robson right now! Is that what Michael would have wanted? If we are going to believe that everything he said could be a lie, then his denial about the accussations could be a lie too.

great post  :th_bravo:

Thank you  :bearhug: