CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

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CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 06:55:34 PM
CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS
FIGHT
During Jail Visit

9 minutes ago BY TMZ STAFF

EXCLUSIVE


Conrad Murray went from star prisoner to star witness at the L.A. County Jail today ... when a FIGHT broke out between his lawyers during a jailhouse visit ... TMZ has learned.

Sources close to Murray tell us ... Murray had been complaining about pain in his right arm and shoulder for the past couple of days ... and today, two of his attorneys (who are each working on different cases) raced down to the jail to check in on the doc.

The first to arrive was J. Michael Flanagan -- who reps Murray in all matters relating to the Michael Jackson manslaughter case. JMF arrived with his 30-year-old son Ryan, who's also a lawyer but isn't working on the Murray case.

After the Flanagans began to visit with Murray in the jail, Murray's other attorney, Valerie Wass, showed up. Wass reps Murray in all matters relating to the California Medical Board and the appeal of his criminal conviction.

According to our sources, Wass claims she tried to enter the visitation room to speak to Murray, but was physically blocked -- and pushed -- by Ryan. Wass claims Ryan and his dad proceeded to shout at her until they left. 

We're told Valerie eventually got to meet with Murray --and immediately afterward, she filed a battery report against Ryan.

As for The Doc, one source tells us Murray witnessed the whole thing -- and if there's an investigation, he could play a key role in the case.

Stay tuned ...

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 06:56:46 PM
lol, was just about to create the same thread.

all i can say is  :thjajaja121:
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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 07:12:56 PM
What the heck?  Whatever could be made of this???  Souza who's making fun of who here???

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 07:25:03 PM


:icon_lol:   WHAT?!?  That's so ridiculous.  No fighti_g!


But TMZ is right - Murray does play a key role.

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 07:28:08 PM
I love the " Stay tuned .. " at the end !
It makes one feel as if there is a lot more yet to come !

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 07:30:16 PM
I love the " Stay tuned .. " at the end !
It makes one feel as if there is a lot more yet to come !


Yep, stay tuned made me think of keep watchin'.

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 07:31:23 PM
Its not to be taken seriously / literally... I guess my American friends would refer to this as, hmmm baloney!

CM is not in Prison for a start. No one got beat up. CM witnessed nothing and these are just regular antics of the hoax. Throw out the most ludaris of stories and watch the public gobble it up and swallow it down willingly, with absolutely no evidence at all of the story being remotely true.

Meanwhile, watch all the MJ deader fans get up in arms and confused because he is being praised as a star who witnessed a mere beating and may be key in helping this case, whilst at the same time he is a alleged negilgent murderer, LOL

It doesn't get crazier than this, or perhaps it will, so I won't hold my breath, lol.

The lesson for us out of this is that Murray is key to this hoax. JMO, but I think the bam will initially come in the form of a CM revelation. At the end of the day when ppl question / entertain hoax, the first questions they have relate to Murray.

I say we watch Murray / TMZ / TIAI incredibly carefullly.

Edit: Fatihad, Jmo, but I would say they are making fun of the public here! lol
« Last Edit: January 22, 2013, 07:33:47 PM by Australian MJ BeLIEver »
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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 08:09:07 PM
Sooooo......which is it?  The article plainly states JMF represents CM in "all matters related" to his manslaughter (mans laughter) case, right?
Yet, in the next paragraph, it states Wass represents CM in the Medical Board stuff and the appeal of his criminal conviction. 
Wouldn't the appeal of the criminal conviction fall under JMF, if he's still representing "all matters related" to the case?  The criminal conviction stems from the manslaughter case, not the Medical Board stuff. 

Harvey, be a dear and clear this up....you're confusing me!!!!!!!   :computer-losy-smiley:
I thought Murray didn't have a pot to wee in anyways.......how is it JMF is even still in the picture? 
Who's paying him to stick around and make sure "The Doc" is OK?  Regardless, Murray is key....somehow, lol. 

Thanks for posting this.....quite interesting!
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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 08:35:27 PM

The lesson for us out of this is that Murray is key to this hoax. JMO, but I think the bam will initially come in the form of a CM revelation. At the end of the day when ppl question / entertain hoax, the first questions they have relate to Murray.

I say we watch Murray / TMZ / TIAI incredibly carefullly.

Edit: Fatihad, Jmo, but I would say they are making fun of the public here! lol

yes, my thoughts too.  I interpret "a key role" as really meaning 'The Doc' is the key witness or "star witness" to what happened 06/25. 
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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 08:38:21 PM
It's also interesting that today's TIAI re-direct is Murray's appellate case info.  Today's update granted an extension of time -"The court has read and considered appellant's January 17, 2013 motion requesting this court vacate the default or alternatively, to extend the default period by 30 days. The default period is extended by 30 days to and including March 15, 2013. No further extensions of time will be granted." 

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=1999218&doc_no=B237677   
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxbook/groups/topic/view/group_id/31/topic_id/80 

There is no mention of ^that^ in the article but since Murray supposedly saw his lawyers today (and allegedly watched them get into a tussle!)  the reason for him seeing them would be to do with his appellate.  This would also explain why they're both there, assuming that Murray is in jail.  Which is possible.  It should be doubtful, I agree, but you just never know with this hoax.  Things seem kinda...serious...lately.

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 22, 2013, 09:19:48 PM
It's also interesting that today's TIAI re-direct is Murray's appellate case info.  Today's update granted an extension of time -"The court has read and considered appellant's January 17, 2013 motion requesting this court vacate the default or alternatively, to extend the default period by 30 days. The default period is extended by 30 days to and including March 15, 2013. No further extensions of time will be granted." 

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=1999218&doc_no=B237677   
http://www.michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/hoaxbook/groups/topic/view/group_id/31/topic_id/80 

There is no mention of ^that^ in the article but since Murray supposedly saw his lawyers today (and allegedly watched them get into a tussle!)  the reason for him seeing them would be to do with his appellate.  This would also explain why they're both there, assuming that Murray is in jail.  Which is possible.  It should be doubtful, I agree, but you just never know with this hoax.  Things seem kinda...serious...lately.

Yep agree.

Odd story - but I guess I shouldn't expect anything different  - so now Dr M's right arm & shoulder are painful....instead of his lower right extremity  :icon_lol:

I have the feeling that the TIAI redirect to the TMZ page for all those days (almost hinting to wait for it....there's stuff coming), now the new redirect to the Dr M appellate case info being granted an extension to March 15th and this story on TMZ finishing with "Stay tuned" means something is in the works.....recalling those tweets and the exceptional new evidence cases.........

Wonder are we headed for another court case one way or another?

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 12:24:13 AM
yes, a court case in a "wrong" ful "death" suit, with CM as "key" witness; but case can't be real  ?

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 12:40:07 AM
One source tells us Murray witnessed the whole thing

As you said, Australian MJ Believer, most of the article is Baloney, I agree, and at the same time the above sentence could be taken at face value meaning Murray has seen more and knows more than he's fessing up to...
After all, this is a death hoax investigation, and there are truths hidden within lies, and we sometimes have to read between the lines?

I guess this is my interpretation of it all.

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 12:51:02 AM
Odd story - but I guess I shouldn't expect anything different  - so now Dr M's right arm & shoulder are painful....instead of his lower right extremity



Ha Ha Ha Adi,  too cute.

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 12:57:32 AM
Murray may have witnessed the DWD patient getting ready to swallow the medication, so that when Murray left the room for 2 minutes to go the bathroom and returned, the patient had already become unconscious, if that story is true.

Murray's right arm and shoulder, seem similar to MJ's injury to police brutality during his arrest, right wrist and both shoulders.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-202526/Jacko-handcuffed-arrest.html

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXXTWzi9vcg[/youtube]

This is the only pic I could find of Valerie Wass.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Valerie/Wass
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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 08:18:57 AM
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According to our sources, Wass claims she tried to enter the visitation room to speak to Murray, but was physically blocked -- and pushed -- by Ryan. Wass claims Ryan and his dad proceeded to shout at her until they left. 

We're told Valerie eventually got to meet with Murray --and immediately afterward, she filed a battery report against Ryan.

As for The Doc, one source tells us Murray witnessed the whole thing -- and if there's an investigation, he could play a key role in the case.






That story so bizarre, strange, quirky, unusual :icon_geek: :icon_lol:

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 08:55:29 AM
Sooooo......which is it?  The article plainly states JMF represents CM in "all matters related" to his manslaughter (mans laughter) case, right?
Yet, in the next paragraph, it states Wass represents CM in the Medical Board stuff and the appeal of his criminal conviction. 
Wouldn't the appeal of the criminal conviction fall under JMF, if he's still representing "all matters related" to the case?  The criminal conviction stems from the manslaughter case, not the Medical Board stuff. 

Harvey, be a dear and clear this up....you're confusing me!!!!!!!   :computer-losy-smiley:
I thought Murray didn't have a pot to wee in anyways.......how is it JMF is even still in the picture? 
Who's paying him to stick around and make sure "The Doc" is OK?  Regardless, Murray is key....somehow, lol. 

Thanks for posting this.....quite interesting!
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Yes, confusing isn't it ;D
It's like a puzzle to us and for the hoax team it's very clear (i suppose).

Made me think TS's redirect 22 January too:


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Future Scheduled Actions
 
The People v. Murray
Division 7 
Case Number B237677

Description Due Date Notes
Appeal dismissed for failure to file opening brief.  03/15/2013  No further extensions of time will be granted.
 
Exhibits returned to county clerk.  05/01/2013  One Box. (SA073164) Exhibit #3 Juror Questionnaires
 
File(s) returned to county clerk.  05/01/2013  19 Sealed Envelopes

http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/scheduledActions.cfm?dist=2&doc_id=1999218&doc_no=B237677

Exhibit #3 (juror questionaire  :icon_eek: :icon_idea:) and 19 sealed envelopes have been returned on 5 January :icon_e_geek: which could mean that (deep) investigations are finished with the result that Dr. Conrad Murray is indeed the KEY (witness). Att. Valerie Wass will file the appeal on March 15.

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Parties and Attorneys
 
The People v. Murray
Division 7 
Case Number B237677

Party Attorney
The People : Plaintiff and Respondent

 Office of the Attorney General
300 South Spring Street
Los Angeles, CA 90013

Contact Name: Victoria B. Wilson

 
Murray, Conrad Robert : Defendant and Appellant
Los Angeles County Jail
P.O. Box 86164
Los Angeles, CA 90086
 Valerie G. Wass
556 South Fair Oaks Ave., Suite 9
Pasadena, CA 91105
 
 

Considering the possibility that Murray is a key combined with new found evidence might have a very interesting result on March 15. I'd think that Att. Flanagan is very interested to be a part of it too. imo. These attorneys are literally fighting over it :icon_lol:

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Stay tuned

I will keep WATCHin' :icon_cool:
« Last Edit: January 23, 2013, 08:58:01 AM by everlastinglove_MJ »
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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 11:10:08 AM
if any of this stuff is to be believed , would it be possible that michael himself withness some sort of altercation between two of his lawyers. peter lopez comes to mind .
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 12:19:01 PM
@everlastinglove_MJ...yes, a big puzzle, lol......
Each time I bring up the redirect, I can't help but think it's something on that particular page we should be paying attention to.
It's the "docket" page......listing a whole bunch of things.  Division 7......of course it is : )
The two things that stand out to me are the postings for 1/23/12
01/23/2012Received letter from:    Conrad Murray withdrawing request for appointment of counsel.
01/23/2012Substitution of attorneys filed for:    Valerie Wass for appellant Conrad Murray.
I get that the court of appeals (appellate court) has its own lawyers etc.....I still don't know why, if JMF is still representing CM, he isn't
listed.  It states CM withdrew his request for counsel.....yet Wass was appointed anyways?  Maddeningly confusing, lol......
Another thing struck me.....are we to see a bigger picture with this redirect?  Besides seeing it linked to lawyers....and the eventual fight,
perhaps we are to link the fighting lawyers to court documents overall.....as in there is always a trail of documents for each move.  Should we then
begin to scrutinize other court documents....say from 2005?  If we have access to CM documents, surely we have access to the 2005 case. 
Perhaps we are to look at those more closely.......I will post anything I find out on the book side....there is a group there about the 2005 trial. 
I see potential correlations of information and how to access it all.  TS & TMZ seem to be showing us what to do, what routes to take.....to find
important information concerning a court case. 
Anyways, who knew lawyers could fight so, LOL.........
@MJonmind & @suspicious mind........I think you both bring up great points here........the memory of Michael's abuse, so painful to think about : (
.......DWD patient timing, very interesting thought......hummmmmm, quite possible.  Peter Lopez had crossed my mind when I first read this TMZ article.....
great minds think alike!  I think Michael must have witnessed a whole lot of stuff during his time with lawyers....more than he ever wanted to I bet!
Ugh.....I can't even imagine walking a block in his shoes, let alone a mile!  Michael had to endure so much with the legal system.....so unfair. 

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 12:49:25 PM
New TMZ article out with voicemail from Dr Conrad crying about he can't sleep or use his hands anymore to wash his back. :icon_e_confused: His attorney won't pick up the phone to answer and he says he is constantly manacled or handcuffed.  :confused:
http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/23/dr-conrad-murray-crying-voicemail-constant-pain-phone-cant-sleep-jail/

It needs to be posted in the TMZ articles, but I can't seem to get the voicemail video to embed.
Could someone not so technically challenged do the honors of posting the article in a new TMZ thread
thanks guys.
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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 01:30:10 PM
New TMZ article out with voicemail from Dr Conrad crying about he can't sleep or use his hands anymore to wash his back. :icon_e_confused: His attorney won't pick up the phone to answer and he says he is constantly manacled or handcuffed.  :confused:
http://www.tmz.com/2013/01/23/dr-conrad-murray-crying-voicemail-constant-pain-phone-cant-sleep-jail/

It needs to be posted in the TMZ articles, but I can't seem to get the voicemail video to embed.
Could someone not so technically challenged do the honors of posting the article in a new TMZ thread
thanks guys.


Doesn´t work....I posted it nonetheless.  :icon_e_wink:
If somebody is able to modify the post to embed the vid, please do so.
If not we´ll have to watch it/listen to it via TMZ link I guess.
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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 01:35:38 PM
Thanks Mary. 

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 05:40:19 PM
so if this should be a real deal fight and turns into a legal battle would either of these then be allowed to represent murray if he is a witness?
"I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves."  




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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 06:30:45 PM
so if this should be a real deal fight and turns into a legal battle would either of these then be allowed to represent murray if he is a witness?

Good question.....don't know really.  Again, it feels like we are being taught the legal system from Michael, through all of this hoax.......
I feel like I want to back through the trial of 2005 to spot all the wrongs myself now. 
I am sure there would be a ton........it must be so frustrating to have to defend yourself and see the worst in people. 
Ugh......I'll stop now, lol I could go on and on.....perhaps a blog post in my future : )

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Re: CONRAD MURRAY'S LAWYERS FIGHT During Jail Visit

  • on: January 23, 2013, 11:22:43 PM
So, all of this talk about keys (key witness) reminds me of Front. Let's see - where all have we seen keys and that's who's involved in this hoax?

1) Michael (painting of the keys)
2) Paris (3 Keys Movie)
3) Jermaine (keys in background in interview)
4) Trial (single key on witness stand or table?)
5) Murry (key witness)
6) Front (mentions keys)

Maybe I"m reaching here but it just stuck out to me.

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