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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 14, 2013, 10:54:55 AM
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The more I think on it, the more I too think the helicopter was a diversion.

Michael knew there would be a "media circus" and the reason I think he came up with this "diversion" had a lot to do with the birth of Prince.


In this interview with Barbara Walters....Michael remarks on the media scrutiny surrounding the birth of Prince and he made careful mention of the helicopter coverage.... "over the hospital", "over his house", satellite coverage, paparazzi etc...and on some level he had to know his "death" would cause just as big a media stir.


He mentions the media coverage at about (2:14)

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I just tend to believe something more if I hear it straight from the "horses mouth" so to speak.... 

And if he's talked about it, then he's probably created a plan for it....this is my thinking anyway. :icon_neutral:


I think the helicopter was a "diversion".

As far as the vans....well, I'm sure there's a statement out there regarding that as well in an interview. I'm beginning to think in his interviews there's more to what Michael himself is "saying" that links to what we are actually "seeing".

I think the support for evidence is found in the verbal interviews of Michael and other people involved...

It's the only "proof" we have beyond 100% pure speculation....just IMO  :icon_neutral:

I am more than sure that Michael had been giving us clues of what it was gonna be his upcoming hoax  throughout his interviews during all these past years, if we listen carefully to them we might find many cryptic messages that now a days would have sense when it didn't have in that very moment, so yes Snoopy71 I totally agree with you.

Thanks Sweetsunset.  I think we need a new approach with some of this research. :icon_e_confused:

Michael manipulated the media....this we know...through interviews, his music videos, his albums etc...  To me he's our biggest source of reliable information.

Example....TII "Four years to get it right"...he says this and clearly we know he's not speaking about the concert tour.

....in the Bashir interviews he says he "never wants to die...never be buried", he makes mention of the "gold sarcophagus" he bought (think gold casket/memorial). Items he bought for "another home"  etc...

I'd be curious to know if there is a thread for "picking apart" the MJ interviews...there are tons out there. Might be something worth digging into. :compute:
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paula-c

Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 14, 2013, 05:43:20 PM
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Well, this video could have been done another day

Sure. It could have been that day as well. All we know for certain is the van in the video didn't pull in to the usual dock of the LA County Morgue where they unload bodies. So it was for certain a deviation from the standard procedure that we can witness on the documentary video.

How do we know this? The video ellyd posted shows standard operating procedure for LA County Coroner when dropping off a dead body at the morgue and the location in the documentary video does not match the location shown on van video.

I think van video is a strong suggestion to the audience of what REALLY happened that day and that is it's purpose. I don't think it was filmed live as suggested on 6/25/09. Now THAT would have been risky. What if blue shirt guy wasn't alone? What if there were other people with cameras that followed the van as well? Too many variables to try to control and the duration of drive time/distance from entering the garage and drop off that is suggested on the tape is too close to the street. Towel on his head or no towel, some guy looking like MJ jumping out of the back of the van escorted by a big black body guard looking dude is going to make anyone's head turn on 6/25/09.

Blue shirt guy may have been at a mark and staged to slip into the garage after the van live on 6/25/09 in order to set the stage for this video later, with his presence at the scene designed to lend credibility to van video when the facts were reviewed. OR OR OR... blue shirt guy was some anonymous stranger who just happened to be there and was caught on camera running in after the van and MJ USED this chance event and chance random guy to lend realism to his van video prank, though that seems awfully lucky, it's still possible.

I agree with others who says it's MJ's work. It's got his stink all over it, as they say. When put together with the events of 6/25/09, it's superb theater.

Another reason to call BS on the RTL explanation: The Jackson family never condemned RTL for this. If MJ were really dead, this type of "prank" would cause outrage in the family.



Exactly bec.  We were shown a glimpse of truth with that video.  And excellent point about the lack of reaction from the Jacksons.




















The family never said anything of RTL or TMZ, i believe that once Jermaine and Janet said they were going to sue TMZ... :-*
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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 18, 2013, 02:22:38 AM
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The need for a media decoy is based on assumptions/speculations.  If MJ were at UCLA that day and needed to get out of the building with no one noticing and also assuming that the coroner van video was shot live that day, but not at the normal coroner drop-off area.  The van filmed from the air would be the decoy in that scenario.  Assumptions are often wrong but are still possible until they are debunked with certainty.
Remember we discussed quite a bit about the team getting out of the coroners van again, after they put in the body and closed all the doors.  It almost looks like the first guy takes something off or puts something on the license plate at 4:54. We had talked about a slight variation between 2 plates, a number and trim or something.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiU90NLcvIE[/youtube]

And there's something about MJ's jackets that are hoaxy special.  I made the discovery that the bloody shirt in the closet had part of the exact same jacket that MJ wore when he was disguised as Uncle Willie.  In the store of mirrors MJ has on a green jacket and people think there's 2 MJ's but it's an illusion IMO, and oddly Arnie K wanted his expensive greet jacket back. :icon_lol: 

So here he is with a long white jacket, strange. I can find pics of him wearing a short or regular white jacket, or white over shirt, but no super long jacket like this. And doesn't MJ look a bit short here?  I think it's someone else.

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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 18, 2013, 08:10:41 PM
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The need for a media decoy is based on assumptions/speculations.  If MJ were at UCLA that day and needed to get out of the building with no one noticing and also assuming that the coroner van video was shot live that day, but not at the normal coroner drop-off area.  The van filmed from the air would be the decoy in that scenario.  Assumptions are often wrong but are still possible until they are debunked with certainty.
Remember we discussed quite a bit about the team getting out of the coroners van again, after they put in the body and closed all the doors.  It almost looks like the first guy takes something off or puts something on the license plate at 4:54. We had talked about a slight variation between 2 plates, a number and trim or something.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiU90NLcvIE[/youtube]

And there's something about MJ's jackets that are hoaxy special.  I made the discovery that the bloody shirt in the closet had part of the exact same jacket that MJ wore when he was disguised as Uncle Willie.  In the store of mirrors MJ has on a green jacket and people think there's 2 MJ's but it's an illusion IMO, and oddly Arnie K wanted his expensive greet jacket back. :icon_lol: 

So here he is with a long white jacket, strange. I can find pics of him wearing a short or regular white jacket, or white over shirt, but no super long jacket like this. And doesn't MJ look a bit short here?  I think it's someone else.


















This  spectacle, and not  there was a helicopter flying over Carolwood that day :animal0017:

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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 08:12:30 AM
I can't help but think this coroner van stuff is one big shell game.  The way the van drives off from the helicopter, drives around the bushes, under the over-hang of trees,  loops back.....it's like it was set up for another van to come in slyly and take the place of the original......like a shell game of sorts.......which van is he now?  Now we see him, now we don't....enough to make the head spin for sure. 
The most suspect point is when the van goes under the trees and is out of sight for a moment......was there another van that emerged those few seconds later, perfectly timed.  Or just before it enters the garage?  Where was it the helicopter landed?  It wasn't at the coroner's office, I thought I heard "UC" or something, then it drove to the coroner...I'll have to go back and re-watch it all......lol, again.

Have a great day....
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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 09:52:11 AM
You should watch this youtube video, it has to do with the coroner van and helicopter. Amazing video please watch  What DID happen on June 25th? Additional video about the helicopterflight!: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login 


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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 02:40:25 PM
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You should watch this youtube video, it has to do with the coroner van and helicopter. Amazing video please watch  What DID happen on June 25th? Additional video about the helicopterflight!: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Amazing? I don't know. I watched it on our german Hoax Thread today and it didn't give me a good feeling at all...  :icon_e_sad:
For me, it clears up many little things that looked strange and "pro Hoax". Or did I get it totally wrong? I mean, LunaJo always goes very deep in her/his videos and especially in this case I thought "Why haven't I looked closer to this? Why did my eyes don't see what the pics can also be looked at or interpreted? Or... didn't I just want to see it?  :icon_e_confused:
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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 06:00:34 PM
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You should watch this youtube video, it has to do with the coroner van and helicopter. Amazing video please watch  What DID happen on June 25th? Additional video about the helicopterflight!: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Amazing? I don't know. I watched it on our german Hoax Thread today and it didn't give me a good feeling at all...  :icon_e_sad:
For me, it clears up many little things that looked strange and "pro Hoax". Or did I get it totally wrong? I mean, LunaJo always goes very deep in her/his videos and especially in this case I thought "Why haven't I looked closer to this? Why did my eyes don't see what the pics can also be looked at or interpreted? Or... didn't I just want to see it?  :icon_e_confused:

I agree with you. I feel She is trying to let us know that what we think we saw is not what we saw. One thing puzzles me why 2 helicopter? Where did the other one go? Can it be the dead body went to the coroner and Mj went to the other helicopter? That for me is very strange. I follow Luna on twitter I asked her this question, hopefully she can let me know more details. I love her videos she is amazing. at least she is giving us the truth.
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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 06:30:54 PM
 :WTF: So a body that has been cold, dead and stiff 36 hours before is now old ever cold but pliable again?  I never heard that before.  :omg: 
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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 07:15:01 PM
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You should watch this youtube video, it has to do with the coroner van and helicopter. Amazing video please watch  What DID happen on June 25th? Additional video about the helicopterflight!: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login







I never thought that the man was Ed Winter,  he was in the key sites that day.
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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 10:20:12 PM
you know , from very early i eagerly awaited luna's next video because she seems to have a lot of good info , but after a while i have started to wonder(and forgive me for putting it this way but:) WHAT THE HELL IS HER POINT ?!  :Pulling_hair: she seems to walk the in some gray area and i just don't see how you can go on and on and not draw some kind of conclusion. video after video .

sorry just had to get it out  :icon_lol: :-[
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Why not just tell people I'm an alien from Mars? Tell them I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight. They'll believe anything you say, because you're a reporter. But if I, Michael Jackson, were to say, "I'm an alien from Mars and I eat live chickens and do a voodoo dance at midnight," people would say, "Oh, man, that Michael Jackson is nuts. He's cracked up. You can't believe a single word that comes out of his mouth."

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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 11:10:26 PM
I read Luna replying to someone asking her this in that last videos comments section and she states she is trying to determine for herself if MJ was murdered or if he escaped. So it seems  she is yet undecided.
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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 19, 2013, 11:52:29 PM
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I read Luna replying to someone asking her this in that last videos comments section and she states she is trying to determine for herself if MJ was murdered or if he escaped. So it seems  she is yet undecided.

Yes, I noticed her hoax within a hoax comment too and also felt she was uncertain in her belief.
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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 20, 2013, 12:17:48 AM
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You should watch this youtube video, it has to do with the coroner van and helicopter. Amazing video please watch  What DID happen on June 25th? Additional video about the helicopterflight!: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Amazing? I don't know. I watched it on our german Hoax Thread today and it didn't give me a good feeling at all...  :icon_e_sad:
For me, it clears up many little things that looked strange and "pro Hoax". Or did I get it totally wrong? I mean, LunaJo always goes very deep in her/his videos and especially in this case I thought "Why haven't I looked closer to this? Why did my eyes don't see what the pics can also be looked at or interpreted? Or... didn't I just want to see it?  :icon_e_confused:

Thank you for sharing your thoughts. The video didn't give me a good feeling either because it seemed to answer some of the doubts that I've had. Yet, how does one explain all of the other oddities? The trash cans on the wrong day, the animals in the courtroom, DaveDave on LKL, the ambulance photo? There is still so much that hasn't been answered so I will hold out hope. I cannot believe that Michael allowed himself to be put out by propofol.

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Re: DEBUNKED: Coroner Van Video
January 20, 2013, 12:30:01 AM
But why can't that be the DWD body (he may not be 'fake informer' about everything)?  Nothing saying it is MJ's.
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